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@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN


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#41 Greebtron

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 02:17 PM

While there is nothing new on the horizon in terms of production material, I've gone a bit extreme these past few days with adding information.  Added sections detailing TF scene/dialogue cuts and TFTM storyboard cuts that I've posted here and on other forums.  Currently working on Visionaries dialogue cuts, should have the series done in the next couple of days.  Also added production order lists for shows that lasted long enough to go to weekday afternoons and thus production order doesn't line up with broadcast order. 

 

As part of what forays I can make into Sunbow's 1990's output, I've Included a list for Conan The Adventurer.  Where Jean Chalopin dubiously claims to have written 52 half-hours of TV in six months, I've trawled the copyright office records for the writers who have the *cough cough* "Adapted By" credit.


The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 06:37 PM

Put up something I probably should have added early on:  a guide to programming, organised by TV season, covering from the beginning of Marvel Productions in 1981 to the shutting down of Sunbow in 2004:

https://sunbowmarvel...-tv-season.html

 

Kinda sad to read the decline of the respective companies in two separate decades.  Beast Wars basically was the beginning of the end for Sunbow in the nineties.  As they didn't get any more Hasbro properties after that, and no comic or movie adaptations were coming their way either.


Edited by Greebtron, 15 December 2019 - 06:43 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2020 - 09:18 AM

The first of a series of articles I'm doing on the writing and production process, using what I've brought together.  First up, the three-step process of scripting, using the only available example of both an outline and script for the same episode: Cobra Stops The World

 

https://sunbowmarvel...ript-cobra.html


The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


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Posted 09 January 2020 - 07:42 AM

Second article up, taking a look at story-editing using the recent arrival of Cosmic Rust: https://sunbowmarvel...ry-editing.html


The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


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Posted 12 January 2020 - 08:41 PM

An offer I got over the weekend to have my own set of TFTM storyboard scans for the archive means I can now hive off all the movie material into it's own section: https://sunbowmarvel...mers-movie.html


The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 05:33 AM

Third article is up.  Something a bit more of a feast for the eyes as it looks at storyboards, slugging and the exposure sheets.  With storyboard samples taken from TF, D&D, DoE, Jem and Amazing Friends

 

https://sunbowmarvel...ng-process.html


The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 11:20 AM

Fourth article ready and probably the last one for the time being.  Looking at the dialogue recording sessions, the drawing up of dialogue scripts and the change that was made to the production schedule halfway through TF.  Also, links to the existing deleted audio and photos showing a major change made to Five Faces Of Darkness: https://sunbowmarvel...-recording.html


The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


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Posted 28 January 2020 - 07:55 AM

Another unproduced project come to light.  An ebay script store is selling pretty much everything from Misty Taggart's career and I'm waiting for her two Jem scripts to pop up.  While I'm waiting, it turns out that she had the gig of developing and pitching a combined Hulk/She-Hulk series.  Maybe a last ditch effort to retool the existing series for renewal?

 

https://www.ebay.com...i0AAOSwADReMAAW

 

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Posted 28 January 2020 - 09:21 AM

Many thanks for bringing this to attention. There are a few interesting items on the excerpts shown, such as Marvel considering the original 1982 Hulk series something of an underperformer since the Hulk wasn't more like the live-action version. It's a little strange to then read that, while making the Hulk less verbose, She-Hulk was proposed as an additional regular.

When I first got to the note that made it explicit that Jen Walters and Bruce Banner weren't cousins, I knew what this was in aid of, and the suggested plots confirm her being added as another love interest. In similar fashion to "Spidey Goes Hollywood" and the subsequent 1982 Hulk series, "Enter: She-Hulk" would also appear to be subject to retconning.

I would imagine any references to Jen and Bruce being cousins would have simply been edited out of the proposed re-edits of the previous season.

Again, Marvel re-editing episodes was not unprecedented, with later NBC airings of the first season of Amazing Friends having Stan Lee narration added to them, on at least one occasion with an edit to a character's dialogue.

Obviously the proposed retooling wasn't enough, as no new Hulk episodes were produced for the 1983 season, despite Amazing Friends continuing to be broadcast with pre-existing Hulk episodes in a block.



#50 Greebtron

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Posted 28 January 2020 - 09:26 AM

Many thanks for bringing this to attention. There are a few interesting items on the excerpts shown, such as Marvel considering the original 1982 Hulk series something of an underperformer since the Hulk wasn't more like the live-action version. It's a little strange to then read that, while making the Hulk less verbose, She-Hulk was proposed as an additional regular.

When I first got to the note that made it explicit that Jen Walters and Bruce Banner weren't cousins, I knew what this was in aid of, and the suggested plots confirm her being added as another love interest. In similar fashion to "Spidey Goes Hollywood" and the subsequent 1982 Hulk series, "Enter: She-Hulk" would also appear to be subject to retconning.

I would imagine any references to Jen and Bruce being cousins would have simply been edited out of the proposed re-edits of the previous season.

Again, Marvel re-editing episodes was not unprecedented, with later NBC airings of the first season of Amazing Friends having Stan Lee narration added to them, on at least one occasion with an edit to a character's dialogue.

Obviously the proposed retooling wasn't enough, as no new Hulk episodes were produced for the 1983 season, despite Amazing Friends continuing to be broadcast with pre-existing Hulk episodes in a block.

 

The general sense of desperation here does lend some credence to something else that was said to be happening in the same timeframe.  In his interview for the Dungeons & Dragons DVD, Mark Evanier talks about how Marvel were calling him up and basically begging him to write the development bible and the pilot.  He was told that if they couldn't sell D&D to a network, Marvel Productions would be shut down.  Even then, he wasn't interested as he was doing a pilot for somebody else.  It was only when one of the top network executives called him and said they would delay the up-fronts (the announcements of the next season's programming) if he could do it, that he finally came onboard.


Edited by Greebtron, 28 January 2020 - 09:48 AM.

The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


#51 Greebtron

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 07:51 PM

Asked and been given permission by MP storyboard artist Michael Swanigan to add the various storyboard samples he has posted on facebook to the archive as pdfs.

 

Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends

6018 A Firestar Is Born (5 pages)

 

The Incredible Hulk

07 The Creature And The Cavegirl (9 pages)

 

Dungeons & Dragons

01 The Night Of No Tomorrow (21 pages)

03 The Hall Of Bones (21 pages)

22 The Dragon's Graveyard (25 pages)

 

G.I Joe

4007 The Worms Of Death (The MASS Device, part 3)  (10 pages)

21 The Greenhouse Effect (9 pages)

 

Fraggle Rock (Animated)

02A Big Trouble For A Little Fraggle (20 pages)

04A A Fraggle For All Seasons (20 pages)

10A Mokey's Flood Of Creativity (20 pages)


Edited by Greebtron, 30 January 2020 - 09:51 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2020 - 08:47 AM

Another round up of storyboard added to the archive

 

MP 4000 Specials, pilots, miniseries and movies

4064 Pryde Of The X-men storyboard samples

 

MP 6000 Spider-man And His Amazing Friends

6007 Videoman partial storyboard (27 pages)

 

MP 600 GI Joe

Marvel Comics issue 14 commercial storyboard (Debut of Destro)

31 Cobra Quake partial storyboard (17 pages)

37-41 Pyramid Of Darkness miniseries main title storyboard (missing 5 pages, became main season 1 title)
Battleforce 2000 commercial storyboard (1988 toyline)
 
MP 900 Defenders Of The Earth
01 Main title full storyboard
 
MP 5205 Jem
4041-MT Main Title storyboard: first draft and revised final

26 Glitter And Gold (music video) storyboard: roughs and final of first four pages.

59 The Stingers Hit Town, part 2: Now full storyboard: roughs and final

 

Also souped up the place a bit by linking clips and music videos from the relevant episodes from official channels.  Plus in the case of Defenders, full episodes as King Features Entertainment has given up on monetizing the show and are putting it up for free.


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#53 consumercollectibles

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 12:24 PM

Hey guys,
 
You’ve shared some really interesting pieces in this forum from Marvel Production Ltd and a handful of other studios.
 
I’m currently working with the person who owns/owned many of the pieces being discussed that slowly trickled into the public over the years, and recently, we’ve been unloading a significant portion as they are now legal to sell.
 
If you want to view more pieces from the collection to use for this thread and other topics, feel free to contact me directly on Instagram via ‘consumercollectibles’ as we have a-lot more to share and discuss. Thanks!

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#54 Greebtron

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Posted 06 April 2020 - 09:36 AM

Been a while since I last posted.  Been scouring the internet for what few scraps I can add to bulk up various show pages.  Put in a whole bunch of model sheets for Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends and G.I Joe, as well as Jem music video storyboards (mostly first pages).  Added a Muppet Babies section for what little there is from that show.

 

Also dipped into the 90's era with The Tick Writer's Guide.  SPOOOON!


Edited by Greebtron, 06 April 2020 - 10:16 AM.

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#55 Greebtron

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Posted 04 July 2020 - 09:46 AM

Made my first purchase in the name of preservation. An ebay store is auctioning several items on behalf of Mike Vosburg (Marvel Comics and Productions). Among them are a storyboard set from The Bands Break Up, which I snapped up. It should be here by the end of the month, but for now I've posted the 12 preview photos from the auction:

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#56 D.M

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Posted 12 July 2020 - 07:07 PM

Another unproduced Marvel show:

 

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Seems like they wanted to compete with Filmation. In the end, only the comic book and a toyline were made.

 

That aside, bunch of Pandamonium model sheets showed up on eBay:
https://imgur.com/a/wQZAZPl


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Posted 12 July 2020 - 07:30 PM

Panda combiners?  Well, we knew that turning Earth into a giant Enigma Of Combination wasn't going to be without side effects. 


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Posted 12 July 2020 - 08:06 PM


I love that Crystar was specifically Marvel's attempt to originate a toy property in the 80s Multimedia style instead of just being a part of a Toy Company's push.

-ZacWilliam, I dearly want someone to bring it back with a meta take that works that whole situation into the property somehow.
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Posted 14 July 2020 - 02:13 PM

Panda combiners?  Well, we knew that turning Earth into a giant Enigma Of Combination wasn't going to be without side effects. 

BTW, the way they executed that... it's supper baffling:
https://youtu.be/5orYNDAE73M?t=592



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Posted 22 July 2020 - 11:59 AM

As the official Hasbro YouTube releases of GI Joe that I link to are at the halfway mark. I've decided to split the show up, same as with TF. Season 2 and Movie material are now at: https://sunbowmarvel...-hero-1983.html


The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 




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