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@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN


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#21 Greebtron

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 10:59 AM

Nope, judging by this, it was unedited copies that they had:

 

http://masterforceuk...ers-script.html

 

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#22 JonT

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 05:16 PM

There are also these:

 
Featuring Ted Schwartz as Spider-Man who would later reprise the role for the solo series and Jackson Beck as the narrator. (On a side note, George DiCenzo voiced Captain America in the energy PSA. He too would later get to reprise the role on both solo and AF shows)

 

I've previously done some research on those early Captain America and Spider-Man PSAs, and found the following links:

https://www.upi.com/.../9027339220800/

https://books.google...e" 1980&f=false

It's not 100% definitive, but the above links suggest that the Cap PSA was first, in October 1980; supporting this date, the Captain America and the Campbell Kids tie-in comic is also listed with an October 1980 publication date on the US Copyright Office database. According to the second link, the Spider-Man PSAs were apparently launched two months later in December 1980.

 

Storyboards for the Cap PSA (saved from an eBay auction in 2016):

 

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Regarding the Spider-Man PSAs, even without the 1980 copyright date at the end, it's clear these were produced before the syndicated Spider-Man series was, since they don't use any of Johnny Douglas's music, and, more tellingly, the web-shooter sound is taken from 1979's Spider-Woman as opposed to being the sound effect created for the two 80s series.

 

1983:
-X-MEN (Someone at Marvel was OBSESSED with Video-Man...)

 

That was Amazing Friends' producer/writer Dennis Marks, who really took a liking to the character.

 

1984:
-THE SECRET WAR

 

I've seen references to this in development from Marvel Productions several times before. Of all the unproduced Marvel Productions concepts, I still think the lack of a Secret Wars series was Marvel Productions' single biggest missed opportunity to follow the company's original remit of promoting actual Marvel Comics characters.

It's apparent that, after Spider-Man and the Hulk, the networks weren't interested in any of Marvel's self-owned super-hero properties, and Marvel probably determined there wasn't the same kind of money in syndication without a cash influx from other companies such as Hasbro.

Getting Mattel on board to fund a syndicated Secret Wars series should have been a strategy that worked, but Mattel likely passed on the opportunity as they ultimately didn't actually own any of the featured characters outright.

 

1986:
-YOUNG ASTRONAUTS (This actually got made, BUT it got shelved due to Challenger tragedy - albeit it's said that first episode was aired two days prior. Occasionally animation cels from it show up at auctions)

 

Yes, this has come up before. Toei's old website listed them as having completed one episode. Even before Challenger, there were also ongoing problems in the relationship between Marvel Productions, The Young Astronaut Council and CBS that resulted in the series being postponed from its intended September 1985 start date:

 

https://law.justia.c...47/945/1479993/

 

I would expect that someone involved with the production had a copy of the first episode at some point. Hopefully we'll get to see it someday.


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Posted 04 July 2019 - 07:38 PM

On a side note, two cels from Young Astronauts:
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Posted 08 July 2019 - 06:15 PM

I saw a link on another forum, so I went and copied the text for a bit of psuedo-reproduction.  I've put up the unused TF season 3 premise from Cary Bates and Greg Weisman "The Eye Of The Beholder".  I've placed it where the date indicates a script roughly would have gone, if any of their premises had been picked up. Which is likely between Chaos and Dark Awakening.


Edited by Greebtron, 08 July 2019 - 06:15 PM.

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#25 Greebtron

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 06:37 PM

More repro work, this time from the transcript of the TF show bible.  I've separated out the 9 page correspondence that was part of those postings.  Among other things, it does show that Divide and Conquer was ready to go as a premise weeks ahead of being commissioned.  You can also see how the building blocks for The Ultimate Doom were beginning to take shape.

 

There is an actual copy of the bible up on ebay, but the seller wants $2500.  No thanks, I'll pass.


Edited by Greebtron, 10 July 2019 - 06:37 PM.

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#26 D.M

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 10:06 AM

Supposedly another unproductive MP show:
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Unknown year.

I saw a link on another forum, so I went and copied the text for a bit of psuedo-reproduction.  I've put up the unused TF season 3 premise from Cary Bates and Greg Weisman "The Eye Of The Beholder".  I've placed it where the date indicates a script roughly would have gone, if any of their premises had been picked up. Which is likely between Chaos and Dark Awakening.

Something's wrong with the links. I get this message:
"Your current accoun does not have access to view this page.
Click here to logout and change accounts."

#27 Greebtron

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 11:19 AM

Done some housekeeping that should fix up the links, also added a links columns for each show to make browsing easier.

 

One potential source of info I'll be keeping my eye on in 10 days is Cybfest NW.  Their big deal this year is getting David Kaye, but there is also.....

 

http://www.cybfestnw...019_panels.html

 

 

 

G1 Transformers Scripts and Memos 12:15 p.m. - 12:45 p.m. Green River Room
  • Host: Ryan King
  • Description: A presentation of various Transformers scripts and old production memos from writers and producers to give a bit of a behind-the-scenes look at our beloved '80s cartoon.
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You have my undivided attention, yeeesssss


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Posted 22 July 2019 - 07:17 AM

Now I have some time off to work with, I've gotten started on the advert section of the production timeline.  In doing so, I'm getting closer to pinning down the transition from Marvel Productions to TMS for producing adverts for the remaining toylnes. 

 

Thanks to TMS' practice of using the date of commission for their production codes, they started in on TF and GI Joe adverts in October 1987.  Marvel would continue to do their remaining advert commissions until at least November.  Of course, come 1988 when it was time to start on the ads for 1989, it was 100% TMS.

 

There are various model cels around online, but the low picture quality means I can't read most of the description boxes.  However having seen Visionaries model sheets, I can confirm that these are an assortment of both Marvel and TMS: https://www.yojoe.co...bowmodel3.shtml

 

The only Transformers TMS' model cel from the transition period is the Powermaster Prime one that turned up a few years back.

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 09:45 AM

With the DVD dropping through my letterbox today, I've added 7 scripts for Bucky O'Hare as it was the fourth, and it seems final, show in the Sunbow library to get the full Metrodome treatment.  Also managed to add a sizeable model pack from an old fan site to the mix.

 

In case you're wondering:  Yes, Christy's scripts are on the DVD and no, I will not be uploading them as she has explicitly forbidden the posting of her scripts online.  Honestly surprised they were on the DVD in the first place.

 

As I had to subscribe to Adobe Pro and reduce the file sizes to get them under 100mb, I did the same for the GI Joe movie, so hopefully that should work in preview mode.


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Posted 01 August 2019 - 10:55 AM

Done some housekeeping that should fix up the links, also added a links columns for each show to make browsing easier.
 
One potential source of info I'll be keeping my eye on in 10 days is Cybfest NW.  Their big deal this year is getting David Kaye, but there is also.....
 
http://www.cybfestnw...019_panels.html
 

G1 Transformers Scripts and Memos 12:15 p.m. - 12:45 p.m. Green River Room

  • Host: Ryan King
  • Description: A presentation of various Transformers scripts and old production memos from writers and producers to give a bit of a behind-the-scenes look at our beloved '80s cartoon.

 
You have my undivided attention, yeeesssss

Will there be a recording of the panel?

#31 Greebtron

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 11:35 AM

Turns out it was just the existing material from one publicly-available Google Drive or the other.  Nice to see them all printed and in proper script format, but nothing revelatory

 

https://www.facebook...08318712664788/

 

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 12:02 PM

Thanks to walruslaw for providing a copy of the TF show bible from the Shout Factory DVD.

 

Now that the site is two months old, it is interesting to see which sections are the most popular (I have the gadget up on the blog).  Out of the ten shows represented, the Top 3 is:

 

1: Transformers

2: Dungeons & Dragons

3: Visionaries

 

Transformers comes under "well duh".  D&D is not surprising because the DVD contained so much material from the run, plus I've been promoting it on the main FB fan group.  

Visionaries has turned out to be the big sleeper hit, surpassing even the TF Season 3 section.


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Posted 21 August 2019 - 10:38 AM

 

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...The hell?  That's very nearly Bug Bite from Gobots.  What was this?


Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

#34 Greebtron

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 12:09 PM

A photo that Flint Dille posted in 2012 of the Sunbow West crew back in the day:

 

https://www.facebook...&type=3

 

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Front Left-To-Right: Steve Gerber, Michael Charles Hill, Hildy Mesnick, Doug Booth

Back Left-To-Right: Marv Wolfman, Flint Dille, Eric Early

 

Not pictured: Buzz Dixon taking the shot and Roger Slifer in New York


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#35 JonT

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 12:43 PM

...The hell?  That's very nearly Bug Bite from Gobots.  What was this?

 

It was going to be a series called "Car and Cable", with a transforming robot called Muffy, and yes he really does look an awful lot like Bug-Bite. Maybe someone else had their eye on using Machine Robo toys at some point prior to Tonka?

The image probably comes from Comics Feature #33, which had a cover story on Marvel Productions. One of the other images in the same feature is an early piece of Transformers concept artwork featuring a (Diaclone-inspired?) pilot inside Optimus Prime, and what looks like a green Bumblebee behind him.

Perhaps coincidentally, both the green Bumblebee and Muffy were rendered as VW beetle convertibles.



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Posted 31 August 2019 - 12:02 PM

Got the first script contribution up at the archive:  The unedited original version of War Of The Dinobots, including the deleted character of Dr Lynn Hiyashi.  Also a chance to compare Don Glut's idea of the Dinobots to Ron Friedman's.  Or, as Don himself wrote "Us primitives are not stupid!"

 

https://sunbowmarvel...987-sunbow.html


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 08:23 PM

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...The hell?  That's very nearly Bug Bite from Gobots.  What was this?

Character's called Muffy. The show was apparently titled "Car and Cable". Apart from that, nothing is known about it.

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 02:04 PM

OK, so on the subject of failed projects, this popped up on ebay

 

https://www.ebay.com...rAAAOSwz-lc9id2

 

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 12:40 PM

As you may have seen in the main TF forum, got a big catch this month:  Both the full unedited script and full storyboards for Cosmic Rust are now up at the archive.

 

I have also started on a restoration project for the Bucky O'Hare scripts.  As the scans that Sunbow did back then were so poor that it drove the individual file size up to 100mb.  The following is from Rick Merwin's episode The Search For Bruce:

 

Before:

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After:

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 02:27 AM

Published a new part to the archive.  A spreadsheet listing the full estimated runtime of an episode based on script page count.  Also currently working through the broadcast episodes, finding the time indexes to verify the runtime of original story animation.  What I mean by that is not including intros, credits, bumpers or in the case of 1986 shows, repeated footage.  Recaps are only included if they are accounted for in the scripting.

 

https://sunbowmarvel...de-runtime.html


Edited by Greebtron, 31 October 2019 - 02:27 AM.

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