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@  Cyoti : (20 November 2019 - 11:23 PM)

It's probably stuck on the low priority end of Warden's to-do list.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 November 2019 - 10:45 PM)

Because the only full-body Nightbeat was that Bumblebee with a new head one.

@  Bass X0 : (20 November 2019 - 04:14 PM)

Why has there been no new Minerva toys? I’m surprised at Takara. The Titan Master head doesn’t count.

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

On my shelf I have Ginrai donning the Star Convoy armor.

@  Liege : (19 November 2019 - 07:42 AM)

That he is.

@  Benbot : (18 November 2019 - 04:01 PM)

And a good boy

@  Liege : (18 November 2019 - 09:19 AM)

Hound is at least a very good toy.

@  ThunderWear : (18 November 2019 - 09:11 AM)

Hound is the only other one that even comes close to Chromia in my area, and he ships in two separate waves.

@  Liege : (18 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

This might be how they finally get rid of all the Chromias. I've not seen a shelfwarmer like that in ages.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 November 2019 - 08:26 PM)

It's a good deal if you want a full set of Refraktor (and if they have them at your location)

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 November 2019 - 04:43 PM)

Here we can buy two and get one free, but at least two of them are gonna be the same toy, because lol distribution.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2019 - 01:01 PM)

In the U.K., it’s more like you but two, you only get one given how expensive they are.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 November 2019 - 11:38 AM)

Transformers are Buy 2 Get 1 free at Target this week.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2019 - 04:29 AM)

2019 has been one long South Park episode.

@  Sjogre : (16 November 2019 - 10:46 PM)

Okay, that actually sounds pretty fun.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 12:49 PM)

It was set in the forties, featured Nazi's as the villains and had Kiko fight mostly Ice Age animals and a mythical dragon that now ruled the island guarding Kongs treasure.

@  Paladin : (15 November 2019 - 11:37 AM)

and it was ALSO eleven hours long.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 10:55 AM)

In a alternate reality Peter Jackson made Son of Kong.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

To be fair to boba: everyone else to go into the sarlacc was a sacrifice. Stripped almost naked and tossed, and didn't have body armor, a jetpack and a weapon.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 November 2019 - 06:54 AM)

Nah, he just has to keep up his plot insurance payments so he can shoot his way out of the Sarlacc again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 November 2019 - 02:59 AM)

Funny, but everyone knows he bounty hunts for Jabba Hutt to finance his 'Vette.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 November 2019 - 02:54 AM)

Okay.. Not sure why.. but streaming is harder than jsut playing the game.. even though that's pretty much what I was doing.

@  Xellos : (14 November 2019 - 06:47 PM)

What type of vehicle does Boba Fett use for time travel? A Man-DeLorean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a walk-in clinic, as I tend not to get sick (and the one time I do every 4-5 years, I prefer just riding it out at home), but the last time I went I'm pretty sure you could just show up, no appointment. It may be different in Quebec,though

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?


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#21 Greebtron

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 10:59 AM

Nope, judging by this, it was unedited copies that they had:

 

http://masterforceuk...ers-script.html

 

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 05:16 PM

There are also these:

 
Featuring Ted Schwartz as Spider-Man who would later reprise the role for the solo series and Jackson Beck as the narrator. (On a side note, George DiCenzo voiced Captain America in the energy PSA. He too would later get to reprise the role on both solo and AF shows)

 

I've previously done some research on those early Captain America and Spider-Man PSAs, and found the following links:

https://www.upi.com/.../9027339220800/

https://books.google...e" 1980&f=false

It's not 100% definitive, but the above links suggest that the Cap PSA was first, in October 1980; supporting this date, the Captain America and the Campbell Kids tie-in comic is also listed with an October 1980 publication date on the US Copyright Office database. According to the second link, the Spider-Man PSAs were apparently launched two months later in December 1980.

 

Storyboards for the Cap PSA (saved from an eBay auction in 2016):

 

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Regarding the Spider-Man PSAs, even without the 1980 copyright date at the end, it's clear these were produced before the syndicated Spider-Man series was, since they don't use any of Johnny Douglas's music, and, more tellingly, the web-shooter sound is taken from 1979's Spider-Woman as opposed to being the sound effect created for the two 80s series.

 

1983:
-X-MEN (Someone at Marvel was OBSESSED with Video-Man...)

 

That was Amazing Friends' producer/writer Dennis Marks, who really took a liking to the character.

 

1984:
-THE SECRET WAR

 

I've seen references to this in development from Marvel Productions several times before. Of all the unproduced Marvel Productions concepts, I still think the lack of a Secret Wars series was Marvel Productions' single biggest missed opportunity to follow the company's original remit of promoting actual Marvel Comics characters.

It's apparent that, after Spider-Man and the Hulk, the networks weren't interested in any of Marvel's self-owned super-hero properties, and Marvel probably determined there wasn't the same kind of money in syndication without a cash influx from other companies such as Hasbro.

Getting Mattel on board to fund a syndicated Secret Wars series should have been a strategy that worked, but Mattel likely passed on the opportunity as they ultimately didn't actually own any of the featured characters outright.

 

1986:
-YOUNG ASTRONAUTS (This actually got made, BUT it got shelved due to Challenger tragedy - albeit it's said that first episode was aired two days prior. Occasionally animation cels from it show up at auctions)

 

Yes, this has come up before. Toei's old website listed them as having completed one episode. Even before Challenger, there were also ongoing problems in the relationship between Marvel Productions, The Young Astronaut Council and CBS that resulted in the series being postponed from its intended September 1985 start date:

 

https://law.justia.c...47/945/1479993/

 

I would expect that someone involved with the production had a copy of the first episode at some point. Hopefully we'll get to see it someday.


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Posted 04 July 2019 - 07:38 PM

On a side note, two cels from Young Astronauts:
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Posted 08 July 2019 - 06:15 PM

I saw a link on another forum, so I went and copied the text for a bit of psuedo-reproduction.  I've put up the unused TF season 3 premise from Cary Bates and Greg Weisman "The Eye Of The Beholder".  I've placed it where the date indicates a script roughly would have gone, if any of their premises had been picked up. Which is likely between Chaos and Dark Awakening.


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 06:37 PM

More repro work, this time from the transcript of the TF show bible.  I've separated out the 9 page correspondence that was part of those postings.  Among other things, it does show that Divide and Conquer was ready to go as a premise weeks ahead of being commissioned.  You can also see how the building blocks for The Ultimate Doom were beginning to take shape.

 

There is an actual copy of the bible up on ebay, but the seller wants $2500.  No thanks, I'll pass.


Edited by Greebtron, 10 July 2019 - 06:37 PM.

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#26 D.M

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 10:06 AM

Supposedly another unproductive MP show:
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Unknown year.

I saw a link on another forum, so I went and copied the text for a bit of psuedo-reproduction.  I've put up the unused TF season 3 premise from Cary Bates and Greg Weisman "The Eye Of The Beholder".  I've placed it where the date indicates a script roughly would have gone, if any of their premises had been picked up. Which is likely between Chaos and Dark Awakening.

Something's wrong with the links. I get this message:
"Your current accoun does not have access to view this page.
Click here to logout and change accounts."

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 11:19 AM

Done some housekeeping that should fix up the links, also added a links columns for each show to make browsing easier.

 

One potential source of info I'll be keeping my eye on in 10 days is Cybfest NW.  Their big deal this year is getting David Kaye, but there is also.....

 

http://www.cybfestnw...019_panels.html

 

 

 

G1 Transformers Scripts and Memos 12:15 p.m. - 12:45 p.m. Green River Room
  • Host: Ryan King
  • Description: A presentation of various Transformers scripts and old production memos from writers and producers to give a bit of a behind-the-scenes look at our beloved '80s cartoon.
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You have my undivided attention, yeeesssss


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Posted 22 July 2019 - 07:17 AM

Now I have some time off to work with, I've gotten started on the advert section of the production timeline.  In doing so, I'm getting closer to pinning down the transition from Marvel Productions to TMS for producing adverts for the remaining toylnes. 

 

Thanks to TMS' practice of using the date of commission for their production codes, they started in on TF and GI Joe adverts in October 1987.  Marvel would continue to do their remaining advert commissions until at least November.  Of course, come 1988 when it was time to start on the ads for 1989, it was 100% TMS.

 

There are various model cels around online, but the low picture quality means I can't read most of the description boxes.  However having seen Visionaries model sheets, I can confirm that these are an assortment of both Marvel and TMS: https://www.yojoe.co...bowmodel3.shtml

 

The only Transformers TMS' model cel from the transition period is the Powermaster Prime one that turned up a few years back.

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 09:45 AM

With the DVD dropping through my letterbox today, I've added 7 scripts for Bucky O'Hare as it was the fourth, and it seems final, show in the Sunbow library to get the full Metrodome treatment.  Also managed to add a sizeable model pack from an old fan site to the mix.

 

In case you're wondering:  Yes, Christy's scripts are on the DVD and no, I will not be uploading them as she has explicitly forbidden the posting of her scripts online.  Honestly surprised they were on the DVD in the first place.

 

As I had to subscribe to Adobe Pro and reduce the file sizes to get them under 100mb, I did the same for the GI Joe movie, so hopefully that should work in preview mode.


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Posted 01 August 2019 - 10:55 AM

Done some housekeeping that should fix up the links, also added a links columns for each show to make browsing easier.
 
One potential source of info I'll be keeping my eye on in 10 days is Cybfest NW.  Their big deal this year is getting David Kaye, but there is also.....
 
http://www.cybfestnw...019_panels.html
 

G1 Transformers Scripts and Memos 12:15 p.m. - 12:45 p.m. Green River Room

  • Host: Ryan King
  • Description: A presentation of various Transformers scripts and old production memos from writers and producers to give a bit of a behind-the-scenes look at our beloved '80s cartoon.

 
You have my undivided attention, yeeesssss

Will there be a recording of the panel?

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 11:35 AM

Turns out it was just the existing material from one publicly-available Google Drive or the other.  Nice to see them all printed and in proper script format, but nothing revelatory

 

https://www.facebook...08318712664788/

 

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 12:02 PM

Thanks to walruslaw for providing a copy of the TF show bible from the Shout Factory DVD.

 

Now that the site is two months old, it is interesting to see which sections are the most popular (I have the gadget up on the blog).  Out of the ten shows represented, the Top 3 is:

 

1: Transformers

2: Dungeons & Dragons

3: Visionaries

 

Transformers comes under "well duh".  D&D is not surprising because the DVD contained so much material from the run, plus I've been promoting it on the main FB fan group.  

Visionaries has turned out to be the big sleeper hit, surpassing even the TF Season 3 section.


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Posted 21 August 2019 - 10:38 AM

 

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...The hell?  That's very nearly Bug Bite from Gobots.  What was this?


Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 12:09 PM

A photo that Flint Dille posted in 2012 of the Sunbow West crew back in the day:

 

https://www.facebook...&type=3

 

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Front Left-To-Right: Steve Gerber, Michael Charles Hill, Hildy Mesnick, Doug Booth

Back Left-To-Right: Marv Wolfman, Flint Dille, Eric Early

 

Not pictured: Buzz Dixon taking the shot and Roger Slifer in New York


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Posted 21 August 2019 - 12:43 PM

...The hell?  That's very nearly Bug Bite from Gobots.  What was this?

 

It was going to be a series called "Car and Cable", with a transforming robot called Muffy, and yes he really does look an awful lot like Bug-Bite. Maybe someone else had their eye on using Machine Robo toys at some point prior to Tonka?

The image probably comes from Comics Feature #33, which had a cover story on Marvel Productions. One of the other images in the same feature is an early piece of Transformers concept artwork featuring a (Diaclone-inspired?) pilot inside Optimus Prime, and what looks like a green Bumblebee behind him.

Perhaps coincidentally, both the green Bumblebee and Muffy were rendered as VW beetle convertibles.



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Posted 31 August 2019 - 12:02 PM

Got the first script contribution up at the archive:  The unedited original version of War Of The Dinobots, including the deleted character of Dr Lynn Hiyashi.  Also a chance to compare Don Glut's idea of the Dinobots to Ron Friedman's.  Or, as Don himself wrote "Us primitives are not stupid!"

 

https://sunbowmarvel...987-sunbow.html


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 08:23 PM

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...The hell?  That's very nearly Bug Bite from Gobots.  What was this?

Character's called Muffy. The show was apparently titled "Car and Cable". Apart from that, nothing is known about it.

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 02:04 PM

OK, so on the subject of failed projects, this popped up on ebay

 

https://www.ebay.com...rAAAOSwz-lc9id2

 

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 12:40 PM

As you may have seen in the main TF forum, got a big catch this month:  Both the full unedited script and full storyboards for Cosmic Rust are now up at the archive.

 

I have also started on a restoration project for the Bucky O'Hare scripts.  As the scans that Sunbow did back then were so poor that it drove the individual file size up to 100mb.  The following is from Rick Merwin's episode The Search For Bruce:

 

Before:

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After:

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 02:27 AM

Published a new part to the archive.  A spreadsheet listing the full estimated runtime of an episode based on script page count.  Also currently working through the broadcast episodes, finding the time indexes to verify the runtime of original story animation.  What I mean by that is not including intros, credits, bumpers or in the case of 1986 shows, repeated footage.  Recaps are only included if they are accounted for in the scripting.

 

https://sunbowmarvel...de-runtime.html


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