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@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.


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#1 Greebtron

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Posted 28 May 2019 - 10:22 AM

Wasn't sure if this should go in the collection forum or general.  

 

To keep links to a minimum, I will post each subfolder with a written list of contents.

 

MP 6000 Spider-man And His Amazing Friends

 

6028 Getting It All Together AKA Origin Of The Spider-friends: full slugged storyboards

 

https://sunbowmarvel...is-amazing.html

 

 

MP 100 The Incredible Hulk (1982)

 

https://sunbowmarvel...982-marvel.html

 

 

MP 400 Dungeons & Dragons

 

Development Bible

5 In Search Of The Dungeon Master full script
6 Beauty And The Bogbeast full script
7 The Prison Without Walls full script
8 Servant Of Evil full script
9 Quest Of The Skeleton Warrior full script
10 The Garden Of Zinn full script
11 The Box full script
12 The Lost Children full script
16 The Girl Who Dreamed Tomorrow full storyboard
17 The Treasure Of Tardos full script
18 City At The Edge Of Midnight full storyboard
19 The Traitor full script
20 Day Of The Dungeon Master full script
21 The Last Illusion full script
22 The Dragon's Graveyard full script
23 Child Of The Stargazer full script
26 Dungeon At The Heart Of Dawn full script
28 Requiem full script
33 Cave Of The Faerie Dragons full storyboard
CBS Notes 24/01/84
CBS Audience Scores (Season 1)
 
 
 

MP 600 GI Joe

 

05 Cobra Stops The World outline and full script (In three parts. Only known example of both outline and full script available online)
06 Jungle Trap full script with story-editing and Hasbro-mandated changes
44 Flint's Vacation, Act II storyboard
Writer's Guide
Alternate Season 2 opening, full storyboard
4057 GI Joe: The Movie (February 26th, 1986 draft)

 

https://sunbowmarvel...-hero-1983.html

 

MP 700 Transformers
 
Marvel Comics treatment (modern reproduction based on Jim Shooter original)
Marvel Comics issue 1 full storyboard
4023-4024-4025 More Than Meets The Eye full script (revised 13.03.84)
Internal MP correspondence regarding Transformers series development (transcript)
Writer's Bible (Season 1 cast only)
01 Transport To Oblivion full script X 2 (revised 08/06/84, final 22/06/84)
02 Roll For It full script (final)
03 Divide and Conquer full script (final)
04 Fire In The Sky full script (final)
05 S.O.S Dinobots full script (revised Friedman)
06 Fire On The Mountain full script (revised Friedman)
07 War Of The Dinobots full script X 2 (unedited original + final)
08 The Ultimate Doom, part 1 full script (final)
09 The Ultimate Doom, part 2 full script (final)
10 The Ultimate Doom, part 3 full script (final)
11 Countdown To Extinction full script (final)
12 A Plague Of Insecticons full script (final)
13 Heavy Metal War full script (final), full storyboards
24 Day Of The Machines full script (revised Friedman)
25 Enter The Nightbird partial script (revised Friedman, missing pages 40-42)
26 A Prime Problem partial script (missing pages: Cover, Cast, 1, remaining pages after 34)
27 The Core partial script (missing all pages before 15)
28 The Insecticon Syndrome full script (revised Friedman)
29 Dinobot Island, part 1 full script (revised Friedman)
30 Dinobot Island, part 2 full script (revised Friedman)
31 The Master Builders full script (revised Friedman)
32 Auto-Berserk full script (revised Friedman)
33 Microbots full script (unedited)
34 Megatron's Master Plan, part 1 full script (revised Friedman)
38 Blaster Blues full script (revised Friedman)
39 A Decepticon Raider In King Arthur's Court full script (revised Friedman)
41 The God Gambit X 2 (unedited original + revised Friedman)
42 Make Tracks (revised Friedman)
60 Cosmic Rust full script (unedited), full storyboards
61 30 Seconds Over Megatron AKA Starscream's Brigade full script (unedited)
62 The Revenge Of Bruticus (final)
The Eye Of The Beholder (Unused premise by Cary Bates and Greg Weisman, modern transcript)
106 Fight Or Flee full script (final)
115 Return Of Optimus Prime, part 1 full script (final)
116 Return Of Optimus Prime, part 2 partial script (final, missing pages 12-18)
Cast list file (01-116)
Synopsis file (01-116)
Dialogue scripts (4023-116)
4034 The Transformers The Movie scripts: Second Ron Friedman outline and draft + undated Sunbow revision draft

 

 

Season 1 and 2, TFTM and early misc. material

https://sunbowmarvel...987-sunbow.html

 

Season 3, Rebirth and later misc. material

https://sunbowmarvel...-sunbow_11.html

 

 

MP 900 Defenders Of The Earth

 

Show bible

06 Root Of Evil full script

03 Escape From Mongo full storyboard

29 Terror In Time full storyboard

38 Audie And Tweak full script

39 The Defense Never Rests full storyboard

45 The Golden Queen, Act II storyboard

48 The Future Comes But Once, Act I storyboard

58 The Deadliest Battle partial storyboard (Missing KShin's anti-drug speech at the end)

59 100 Proof Highway, Act I storyboard

 

https://sunbowmarvel...rth-marvel.html

 

 

MP 5205 Jem

 

33 Trick Or Techrat: We Can Change It, version 2 storyboard

 

https://sunbowmarvel...988-sunbow.html

 

 

MP 5206 Inhumanoids

 

01 Cypheroid dialogue script

02 The Surma Plan dialogue script

03 Cult Of Darkness dialogue script

04 Negative Polarity dialogue script

05 The Evil Eye dialogue script

06 Primal Passions full script

07 The Masterson Team dialogue script

08 Auger For...President? dialogue script

09 The Evil That Lies Within, Part 1 dialogue script (The Inhumanoids episodes 1-3)

10 The Evil That Lies Within, Part 2 dialogue script (The Inhumanoids episodes 4-6)

11 The Inhumanoids, Episode 11 full script (Part 4, Act II of The Evil That Lies Within)

12 The Evil That Lies Within, Part 4 dialogue script (The Inhumanoids episodes 10-12)

13 The Evil That Lies Within, Part 5 dialogue script (The Inhumanoids episodes 13-15)

 

https://sunbowmarvel...986-sunbow.html

 

 

870108 Visionaries

 

01 The Age Of Magic Begins dialogue script

02 The Dark Hand Of Treachery dialogue script.  Includes separate script for Jonathan Harris (Mortdredd) ADR session.

03 Quest For The Dragon's Eye dialogue script (Act III missing)

04 The Price Of Freedom full script

05 Feryl Steps Out full script

06 Lion Hunt dialogue script

07 The Overthrow Of Merklynn dialogue script

08 The Power Of The Wise dialogue script

09 Horn Of Unicron, Claw Of Dragon dialogue script

10 Trail Of The Three Wizards dialogue script

11 Sorcery Squared dialogue script

12 Honor Among Thieves dialogue script

13 Dawn Of The Sun Imps dialogue script

 

https://sunbowmarvel...987-sunbow.html

 

 

MP 6610 Bucky O'Hare And The Toad Wars

 

05 On The Blink full script

06 Kreation Konspiracy full script

07 The Komplex Caper full script

08 The Search For Bruce full script

11 The Warriors full script

12 Bye-Bye Berserker Baboons full script

13 The Taking Of Pilot Jenny full script

Marvel Productions model sheet pack (83 pages)

 

https://sunbowmarvel...-wars-1991.html


Edited by Greebtron, 13 October 2019 - 12:44 PM.

The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


#2 Greebtron

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 05:06 PM

Took a chance and came up with two more TF scripts: The actual script scan versions of 30 Seconds Over Megatron (Starscream's Brigade) and Revenge of Bruticus. As opposed to the Word file transcripts that have been around forever.
 
One thing about Revenge that is glaring on the scan version that we couldn't pick up on the Word version: On page 42, the whole bit about Bruticus' fail-safe mechanism was a story editor insert. As Larry Strauss has written it Prime sneaks up on his opponent, shoots him in the spine and paralyses him. Then points a gun at his head and says "Temporary paraylsis. Sing the password or I'll make it permanent!".
 
Between this and what we've told about War Dawn. I think the office was starting to regret telling the writers to up the violence level ahead of the movie.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:40 PM

Wow.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:30 PM

That's pretty awesome. Thanks for sharing.



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 08:44 AM

OK, it's movie time. 

 

TFTM:

In addition to a mirror of the Ron Friedman draft script from the auctions, I've bought and put up the undated Sunbow revision draft from Script City.  This is the actual scan of the script that has been floating around in transcript form for ages.  Which, if someone typed up the whole thing off a paper copy way back then, shows some serious dedication.

 

GI Joe The Movie:

Put up the script scan from the Shout Factory DVD.  This is the penultimate draft from February 12th, 1986.  The final draft is dated February 26th and the only reasonable way to get a copy of that is to put down $50 at Buzz Dixon's convention table (He sells copies of that and some of his other scripts).

 

I've read through it and here is a highlight list of deleted/changed scenes:

 

pg. 54 The infamous Zarana topless scene

 

pg. 68 takes time out from the story to have a whole page of reference on Cobra-La and their wholly organic society.  I get the feeling a lot of this started out as Friedman's ideas from the original outline that Buzz Dixon cherry-picked for this script.  It's in the same whacked-out wheelhouse as the TFTM draft.

 

pg. 85 After Cobra Commander has been mutated,the Crimson Twins ponder: (In speech gimmick) "After we eradicate G.I Joe --- and the rest of the world how -- will we establish -- a financial empire --(Both) in a society that doesn't use money! (they look at one another) we must dwell on this!"

 

pg. 114 As Falcon breaks into the Terrordrome's radio room, he fights with a Tele-Viper who is trying to jam a soldering iron into Falcon's eye with "DIE MAGGOT!" appearing on the visor.  Falcon moves, sending the soldering iron into an open socket, electrocuting the Tele-Viper.

 

pg. 123 Hector Ramirez makes his cameo as the American and Soviet envoys at the UN are shouting and accusing each other about the spores in orbit.

 

Between blowing up the Terrordrome and arriving at the second B.E.T battle.  There are intercut scenes where Falcon, Slaughter and the Renegades are in running battles with various Cobra vehicles, all the while their radio is being jammed to prevent them warning HQ.

 

pg. 142-144 No ambiguity here, Duke is dead

 

pg. 145 As Serpentor makes his triumphant homecoming, the Crimson Twins try to sell a digital watch to a Cobra-La Noble.  This comes back up on pg. 171 during the final battle,  where Shipwreck points out that ALL the Cobra-La Nobles they've taken down have digital watches.

 

pg. 147 Duke's funeral.  Where his coffin is raised up by hover-thrusters, above which Hawk, Scarlett and other Joes create a "bed" of lasers from their pistols.  The thrusters cut out, the coffin drops and is vaporised.  The following scenes of Falcon demanding to go on the mission to Cobra-La and being refused appear to have audio editing to remove references to Duke.

 

pg. 183 Serpentor is dead.  After we last saw him spinning out of control on his Air Chariot.  The next time we see him is when Golobulus is fleeing Cobra-La and stops to pick up his body, claiming "Death cannot defeat you, Serpentor! I shall reclone you more powerful than ever!"

I guess if Sunbow had gotten a season 3 and Hasbro demanded Serpentor be brought back, their out was to make him Weyoun without the charm.

 

Get a nice little parting quip from Shipwreck after Cobra-La's explosion, as he pulls himself out of the snow "That tears it!  I want a transfer to Tahiti!"


The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 11:25 AM

This is pretty awesome.  I wish we had access to Ron Friedman's super early Joe and TFTM movie scripts, the one with the shapeshifting Nemesis Enforcer among other things.


Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 09:36 AM

Right, the last major piece for the time being dropped through my letterbox this afternoon.  The old BCI Eclipse box set of D&D which has scripts and storyboards to cover 19 out of 28 episodes (including Requiem).  I've only had time to read The Dragon's Graveyard so far.  Knowing how harmless and inoffensive the big three US networks wanted things, I can see why they lost their minds over this script.


The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 11:47 AM

One last thing before I give my wallet a rest.  Cleaned out Script City and added the Defenders Of The Earth' early show bible and script for the aired pilot Root Of Evil.  These were both from the early days of the project under Larry Parr.  The production of the show ground to a halt for most of 1985 until Bryce Malek and Dick Robbins were tasked to relaunch it once they finished on Transformers.

 

That is part of why TF season 3 has such as a different lineup of both staff and freelancers:  Everyone had moved on to something else.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 10:42 AM

Since updating forum posts is probably not gonna cut it, I decided to put a blog site together for easier browsing:

 

https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/


The Sunbow and Marvel Productions script/storyboard archive, chronicling ten years of animation history: https://sunbowmarvel...e.blogspot.com/

 


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Posted 12 June 2019 - 06:47 AM

Love your database and look forward to seeing how it will develop as you obtain more information.
 
For Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends and Dungeons & Dragons in particular, where were you able to find the episode airdates?
 
Confirmed airdates for the early Marvel Productions network series have proven to be hard to verify over the years. Most such airdate information I see elsewhere really look like the dates have been guessed, as they are invariably based on the episodes' production order, and seemingly air on consecutive weeks with no pre-empting, both of which are on the verge of stretching credibility.
 
Will you be adding information on the 1982 Hulk series in the future?


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Posted 12 June 2019 - 09:50 AM

Spider-man and D&D I got from wikipedia, and yeah I probably should take those airdates down when I get the chance.  Between Steve Gerber's allergy to deadlines on The Prison Without Walls and the controversy over The Dragon's Graveyard both causing production delay, those airdates are impossible.

 

If a show is not listed on the timeline, that is purely down to there being insufficient information to justify starting a new sheet.  So I'm at the mercy of collector' bias in terms of what has been saved over the years.  The Hulk show is tricky because nearly every combination I try in a search gives me a lot of the 80's live-action series or the 90's cartoon.

 

As I say on the blog, if anyone out there has material but doesn't want to do a full scan.  Then just a photo of dated cover sheets would be appreciated so it can be added to the timeline.


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Posted 12 June 2019 - 07:26 PM

 

Love your database and look forward to seeing how it will develop as you obtain more information.
 
For Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends and Dungeons & Dragons in particular, where were you able to find the episode airdates?
 
Confirmed airdates for the early Marvel Productions network series have proven to be hard to verify over the years. Most such airdate information I see elsewhere really look like the dates have been guessed, as they are invariably based on the episodes' production order, and seemingly air on consecutive weeks with no pre-empting, both of which are on the verge of stretching credibility.
 
Will you be adding information on the 1982 Hulk series in the future?

 

 

 

Managed to find some old fan sites from the 2000's for both Amazing Friends and the Hulk cartoons. 

 

From there I got the Hulk bible, which includes story ideas from Don Glut at the end of it.  Those story ideas?  Dinosaurs, Frankenstein's Monster and a Jeckyll & Hyde story.  Oh Don, never change  :p

 

Managed to piece together the storyboards for Origin Of The Spiderfriends into a single PDF from saving, converting and merging 98 jpg files.  If anyone wants to see what storyboards looked like once an animation director had slugged them, this is the best example.

 

Also was able to merge the Heavy Metal War storyboards into a single file as well.  I wanted to do the same with the three parts of Cobra Stops The World, but it's password-protected.


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 12:24 AM

I've added a new section listing all of Marvel Productions' codes that I've been able to verify.  From the beginning in 1981 to near the end in 1991 when things came full circle and they co-produced with Sunbow one last time on Bucky O'Hare

 

https://sunbowmarvel...incomplete.html

 

Edit - Had a spot of luck today, got 10 script dates from the Writer's Guild Foundation library (The WGA's archive, essentially).  Most of them were from the archive collection of the late Dennis Marks.  Managed to get the date for The Core, but also got some details on The Golden Lagoon:

 

The cover date listed (because this is just a directory listing) is March 29th.  If you've seen the other scripts from this point in production, you'll know that is two to three weeks overdue.  Also explains why Ron Friedman didn't have a copy to auction.  As by that time he had moved from the show to fully focus on writing the movies.

 

Also, most enticingly, the script clocks in at 50 pages which is 25 minutes.  So we're talking roughly 4 minutes worth of deleted story on this one.


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 12:02 PM

 

 

Love your database and look forward to seeing how it will develop as you obtain more information.
 
For Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends and Dungeons & Dragons in particular, where were you able to find the episode airdates?
 
Confirmed airdates for the early Marvel Productions network series have proven to be hard to verify over the years. Most such airdate information I see elsewhere really look like the dates have been guessed, as they are invariably based on the episodes' production order, and seemingly air on consecutive weeks with no pre-empting, both of which are on the verge of stretching credibility.
 
Will you be adding information on the 1982 Hulk series in the future?

 

 

 

Managed to find some old fan sites from the 2000's for both Amazing Friends and the Hulk cartoons. 

 

From there I got the Hulk bible, which includes story ideas from Don Glut at the end of it.  Those story ideas?  Dinosaurs, Frankenstein's Monster and a Jeckyll & Hyde story.  Oh Don, never change  :p

 

Managed to piece together the storyboards for Origin Of The Spiderfriends into a single PDF from saving, converting and merging 98 jpg files.  If anyone wants to see what storyboards looked like once an animation director had slugged them, this is the best example.

 

Also was able to merge the Heavy Metal War storyboards into a single file as well.  I wanted to do the same with the three parts of Cobra Stops The World, but it's password-protected.

 

Never mind that. I was always baffled by this assumption:
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Just what comics did the author of the bible read?! There, Banner would ALWAYS be in teared clothing after morphing back to normal.

 

BTW, another production code you could add: 3000-0152

The early production code for TF:TM, likely belonging to "Secret of Cybertron" version.
 

EDIT:

Might be good to include commercial production codes too:
TF Marvel issue 1: #1059 Spot-177
Stunticons/Aerialbots: #1115-Spot 250
Combaticons: #1115-Spot 257
Ultra Magnus: #1115- Spot 25? (It seems it was mislabeled as 250. This happened with some of the Combaticons as well)
Autobot Tripple Changers: #1138 Spot 295
Predacons: #1138-299
Trypticon: #1159-Spot 304 (may be 309, it's hard to tell)
Autobot & Decepticon Headmasters: #1163 Spot 346
Punch/Counterpunch & Clones: #1167-254
Terrorcons: #1167-352
Sixshot: #1167-353
Horrorcons: #1179-371
Seacons/Sparkabots/Firecons: #1203 Spot #412
 
EDIT 2:
Here's a production code for Biker Mice from Mars: #6640
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Edited by D.M, 25 June 2019 - 01:23 PM.


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Posted 27 June 2019 - 02:45 PM

With payday here, I went and bought the last thing left from ScriptCity.: the earlier revision of Transport To Oblivion that has been out on some earlier DVD releases.  Nothing really revelatory, but it's nice to have both versions available for comparison.  Though this:

 

RATCHET

No more back talk!  I'm turning you off...

 

DOWNSHOT

 

IRONHIDE

Why, you-

 

Ironhide is shut down; his mouth freezes open, but his eyes glare burningly at Ratchet.  Ratchet nods at Sparkplug, grinning

 

RATCHET

Ol' Ironhide's gonna pull through nicely!

 

 

I can see why they eased that back a bit.  That was savage, Ratchet.


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 08:34 AM

Been trawling through the US Copyright Office database in order to get production orders on shows where there isn't enough of a fanbase that anyone bothered to do it before.  In doing so, was able to add sections for the Spider-man solo series and for MLP.  Which is a show I'm not going too deep on, certainly not going to spend money on it like I have other shows.  But it does amuse me that Hasbro wanted this cutesy, light-hearted anthology show for younger kids and who did Sunbow commission to write it?  David Wise, Michael Reaves, Gerry and Carla Conway, MIchael Charles Hill and a number of others from their action shows.


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 09:40 AM

The US Copyright Office database has also been useful for determining the original airdates for individual episodes, where they are listed as the effective "publication dates".

Unfortunately, the database clearly also shows that the original airdates for Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, The Incredible Hulk (1982) and Dungeons and Dragons were not listed as publication dates, instead listing dates that are very obviously not the original airdates, hence why firm details on those series' original airings are still largely unknown to this day.

 

It seems strange that, as network series, there's no firm record of their original broadcasts. I'm guessing that TV Guide never listed the original episode titles or synopses, otherwise solid information would be out there by now.

Conversely, the copyright database does have a bunch of publication dates for the syndicated 1981-produced Spider-Man show that look to be genuine. I have an early 80s comics magazine that discussed the solo Spider-Man series and it specifically noted that it hadn't yet aired anywhere - and this was after Amazing Friends was already broadcasting. The publication dates for the solo Spider-Man series support this by all being after 1981.

On the subject of commercials, there were some storyboards going around at one point for the early 80s Captain America energy saving PSA that confirm it was produced by Marvel Productions; it may even have been their earliest production.



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Posted 02 July 2019 - 06:35 PM

On the subject of commercials, there were some storyboards going around at one point for the early 80s Captain America energy saving PSA that confirm it was produced by Marvel Productions; it may even have been their earliest production.

There are also these:


 
Featuring Ted Schwartz as Spider-Man who would later reprise the role for the solo series and Jackson Beck as the narrator. (On a side note, George DiCenzo voiced Captain America in the energy PSA. He too would later get to reprise the role on both solo and AF shows)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgfjjisjYU
 
Somewhere at Worthpoint is an archived model sheet for the Thermal Thief but I'm not having luck digging it up...
 
BTW, some unproduced projects:
1981:
-CAPTAIN AMERICA & THE BARBARIANS
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1982:
-GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
-IRON-MAN
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1983:
-X-MEN (Someone at Marvel was OBSESSED with Video-Man...)
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-MARSUPILAMI (No doubt the adaptation of the French comic book, a spinoff of Spirou)
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-DAREDEVIL
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-US 1
-SILVER SURFER
-ALIENS
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-SHE-HULK
-TEEN HULK
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-HULK HOUND
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-HULK-SPIDER
-CONEHEADS (Weird considering that year Rankin-Bass made a pilot for it)
-BLUES BROTHERS
-TWO WILD & CRAZY GUYS
-FROGGER
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1984:
-THE RIGHT STUFF
-THE SECRET WAR
-MENUDO

1985:
-ASTRO MINUTE:
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1986:
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-YOUNG ASTRONAUTS (This actually got made, BUT it got shelved due to Challenger tragedy - albeit it's said that first episode was aired two days prior. Occasionally animation cels from it show up at auctions)
-AIR RAIDERS:
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-SHRINKY DINKS:
https://youtu.be/lf06v7_6Cpo?t=276

1987:
-STARSEEKER:
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-COMMANDER V (Dino Riders took its place):
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1988:
-THOR:
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-SILVER SURFER:
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1989:
-SWAMP THING
-HI & LOIS' "TRIXIE & DAWG"

http://web.archive.o...FullCredits.htm

Misc projects with unknown year of origin:
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Posted 02 July 2019 - 06:58 PM

I still want to focus and make some progress on the core shows before diving into the litany of unproduced projects.  So far, my appeals to the various fandoms have not yielded any further material.  

 

I am somewhat kicking myself over the fact that I got into this whole thing when I did.  Six years ago, Masterforce UK was selling TF scripts for £30.  Now I can't even get so much as an archived screenshot.


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Posted 02 July 2019 - 07:05 PM

Six years ago? Sounds like they were printing ones obtained from Ron Friedman auction.





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