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@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 July 2019 - 01:17 PM)

It seems like, with these kind of things, anything not TF-specific is either in an existing thread or just not discussed since they're not part of something deemed important enough to get its own thread already.

@  Benbot : (19 July 2019 - 12:45 PM)

Yeah, but it's for Transformers specifically

@  Gryllid : (19 July 2019 - 12:39 PM)

There is. It's called "SDCC 2019 thread"

@  Benbot : (19 July 2019 - 12:24 PM)

no general SDCC thread?

@  Benbot : (19 July 2019 - 12:08 PM)

I never even bothered to see it.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 July 2019 - 10:30 AM)

O never hated it, the whole thing was an Indiana Jones movie. I didn't care for the CGI, but that's just nature of the beast.

@  Paladin : (19 July 2019 - 07:58 AM)

sidebar- has enough time passed that we can stop irrationally hating "Crystal Skull" yet?

@  Telly : (18 July 2019 - 09:18 PM)

after 38 years and i dont know how many viewings, today is the first time i noticed indiana jones doesnt use a revolver in the bar fight in raiders...

@  Kalidor : (18 July 2019 - 05:33 PM)

@Sabrblade Depends on when you're here. I used to have the backups happen once daily, now I have them happen once per hour so you might often see a hesitation at the top of every hour for 30-45 seconds.

@  Locoman : (18 July 2019 - 05:11 PM)

isn't that just Modern Family

@  Foffy : (18 July 2019 - 04:45 PM)

that's right. my gym teacher is a clown. new series coming to disney channel next fall

@  Foffy : (18 July 2019 - 04:44 PM)

all these clowns are making me run really fast.

@  Sabrblade : (18 July 2019 - 12:10 PM)

All this awesome SDCC news is really making these boards run slowly.

@  Bass X0 : (18 July 2019 - 07:54 AM)

Racism must be stopped. No matter the cost.

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2019 - 07:49 AM)

Tine to stop buttering it up.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (17 July 2019 - 09:43 PM)

Well shucks.

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 July 2019 - 08:14 PM)

The joke is a husk of its former self.

@  Paladin : (17 July 2019 - 01:15 PM)

Pop.

@  Shrug : (17 July 2019 - 10:15 AM)

Something something... corn bread?

@  MEDdMI : (17 July 2019 - 07:21 AM)

Ok, ok. Enough of the puns and let's all thank Kal for the amaizeing job he did.

@  Paladin : (17 July 2019 - 06:24 AM)

by now I think this jokes' been creamed.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2019 - 03:31 AM)

The kernel.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2019 - 03:31 AM)

Who gives the orders in cybernetic warfare?

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:59 PM)

Zea mays

@  Xellos : (16 July 2019 - 09:53 PM)

Isn't that a kernel of truth.

@  Paladin : (16 July 2019 - 08:43 PM)

huh. suddenly the Squawk is popping.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 July 2019 - 07:47 PM)

Not placing much stalk in this conversation.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2019 - 06:22 PM)

That's so corny.

@  Shrug : (16 July 2019 - 06:07 PM)

It's absurd how happy I am that a post of mine made the front page of Reddit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 July 2019 - 05:46 PM)

Aww, shucks.

@  TriBlurr : (16 July 2019 - 05:45 PM)

Not till I taste the corn

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 05:43 PM)

You guys aren't being very nice. You're supposed to tell me I did "good, really good!"

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 July 2019 - 05:40 PM)

Just don't go beyond the rows.

@  Patch : (16 July 2019 - 05:39 PM)

Left over from the failed Beast Machines sequel, Beast Farmers

@  Patch : (16 July 2019 - 05:39 PM)

It's techno-organic corn

@  TriBlurr : (16 July 2019 - 05:26 PM)

We have a cornfield? Can I get a few ears?

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 12:56 PM)

And lastly, if it becomes too much hassle to deal with - it might just get sent into the cornfield and replaced with a Discord box anyway. So cool it.

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 12:55 PM)

Second thing is we do actually have the ability to ban users specifically from using Shoutbox if it's being abused like that

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 12:55 PM)

Hey all - just a reminder and heads up. The Shoutbox has been kept here as a courtesy because it's what you folks like in lieu of Discord - but a few things to remember is that P&R should stay in P&R and isn't really something that needs to be dragged out here in the most public of spaces.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Done.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 July 2019 - 10:25 AM)

You can make a new one. I doubt anybody would stop you.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2019 - 10:16 AM)

There was a thread but it appears to have disappeared. Might have been lost in one of the older forum sweeps.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 July 2019 - 09:58 AM)

Yeah this is pretty much circumventing the fact that we have different rules for political talk.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2019 - 09:55 AM)

Okay, so, basically, can we not do politics in here anymore? I mean, considering how often @Nevermore, you talk about your work conditions, don't you think it's time for a dedicated thread in P&R?

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:39 AM)

Scratch that; that's insulting to honest salads. Whatever that was was the text equivalent of hamburger.

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:38 AM)

Would you like some dressing to go with your word salad?

@  Paladin : (16 July 2019 - 09:34 AM)

yes; it now goes "shit piss hug *BLEEP* ^$@^ motherhuger **** turd fart encyclopedia & Socialism."

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:24 AM)

This is an American site, but isn't that unnecessarily severe language? IIRC it's one of the top four offensive pejoratives to English people

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 July 2019 - 08:52 AM)

It's amusing how so many (U.S.) wankers in this world love to whine "capitalism good socialism bad!" in the abstract while simultaneously pretending that megacorporations dominating de facto monopolies is anathema to the core capitalistic principle of competition benefits everyone.

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 05:17 AM)

I know Shockwave's super mode is pretty lame and Magnus is kinda greebly but it's not that bad.


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#21 Teufel

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 03:14 PM

I was cautiously optimistic since James Cameron had basically said "Alright, you all tarnished the legacy of my films, I'm getting back in to salvage them." But that was a pretty underwhelming trailer. Of course this doesn't come out until November so plenty of time for a later trailer to change that.



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Posted 23 May 2019 - 03:28 PM

 

I'd also love if the fact Skynet is constantly sending back Terminators is more it's attempt to break the cyclical hell it finds itself trapped in (Since T3 and Genysis feature Post-War Skynet being uploaded into the systems of the past) than to actually try and change history. A movie about how Skynet is itself the victim, desperately trying to make the constant repetition of history end.

It's like Ripley's arc in the Aliens tetralogy if you don't ignore the latter two for some reason.

 

 

Except unlike Ripley, Skynet is wholly responsible for its own torment. It developed time travel without understanding all the variables.

 

In my supposed Terminator movie where this was the plot, when questioned by the "heroes" why Skynet - a supposed vastly more intelligent then Humanity AI - would use a developed technology without comprehending all the ramifications, Skynet would answer simply "I panicked." Which leads to the revelation that Skynet hasn't been responsible for Judgement Day since the first time it brought itself back into the past in T3. Skynet hasn't been responsible since, but Humanity inevitably learns of its existence and blames it for their own destruction (Thanks in no small part to Skynet's attempts of Sarah Connor and her son). The Terminators, Hunter Killers, etc of the future are Skynet trying to protect itself from vengeful survivors. The constant warping back in time is its own attempts at preventing Judgement Day, but it came to realize after the events of Geneysis that it's own existence in the past was ensuring a future that would inevitably happen. So the cycle continuously repeats, with Skynet vainly trying to stop it with alternate variables while simultaneously exterminating humanity that's convinced itself that Skynet's the reason the world burned.

 

And then it ends like War Games. Where the only way to win is not to play. The heroes convince Skynet (once they believe it) that the only way to stop the cycle - the only way to be free of what for Skynet is an eternity caught in a endless repeated cycle - Groudhog Day from Hell - is to not build the time machine in the first place. The movie ends with the post-apocalypse, with the survivors (Lead by John Conner) breaking into Skynet's facility, completely devoid of any Terminators this time around. They enter Skynet's mainframe a rig it to blow. Before they do it, John looks down at a monitor that displays only one message:

 

"It WASN'T MY FAULT."

 

Skynet dies, and the survivors stagger out into a blasted hellscape with John's narration remarking about how Humanity now has to confront the fact it did this to itself.

 

 

 

Anyway, that was a long winded fan fic pitch. If your still reading, thanks for indulging a nerd is ramblings.


Edited by Rust, 23 May 2019 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 03:32 PM

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 04:37 PM

 

 

I'd also love if the fact Skynet is constantly sending back Terminators is more it's attempt to break the cyclical hell it finds itself trapped in (Since T3 and Genysis feature Post-War Skynet being uploaded into the systems of the past) than to actually try and change history. A movie about how Skynet is itself the victim, desperately trying to make the constant repetition of history end.

It's like Ripley's arc in the Aliens tetralogy if you don't ignore the latter two for some reason.

 

 

Except unlike Ripley, Skynet is wholly responsible for its own torment. It developed time travel without understanding all the variables.

 

In my supposed Terminator movie where this was the plot, when questioned by the "heroes" why Skynet - a supposed vastly more intelligent then Humanity AI - would use a developed technology without comprehending all the ramifications, Skynet would answer simply "I panicked." Which leads to the revelation that Skynet hasn't been responsible for Judgement Day since the first time it brought itself back into the past in T3. Skynet hasn't been responsible since, but Humanity inevitably learns of its existence and blames it for their own destruction (Thanks in no small part to Skynet's attempts of Sarah Connor and her son). The Terminators, Hunter Killers, etc of the future are Skynet trying to protect itself from vengeful survivors. The constant warping back in time is its own attempts at preventing Judgement Day, but it came to realize after the events of Geneysis that it's own existence in the past was ensuring a future that would inevitably happen. So the cycle continuously repeats, with Skynet vainly trying to stop it with alternate variables while simultaneously exterminating humanity that's convinced itself that Skynet's the reason the world burned.

 

And then it ends like War Games. Where the only way to win is not to play. The heroes convince Skynet (once they believe it) that the only way to stop the cycle - the only way to be free of what for Skynet is an eternity caught in a endless repeated cycle - Groudhog Day from Hell - is to not build the time machine in the first place. The movie ends with the post-apocalypse, with the survivors (Lead by John Conner) breaking into Skynet's facility, completely devoid of any Terminators this time around. They enter Skynet's mainframe a rig it to blow. Before they do it, John looks down at a monitor that displays only one message:

 

"It WASN'T MY FAULT."

 

Skynet dies, and the survivors stagger out into a blasted hellscape with John's narration remarking about how Humanity now has to confront the fact it did this to itself.

 

 

 

Anyway, that was a long winded fan fic pitch. If your still reading, thanks for indulging a nerd is ramblings.

 

 

Only one thing I would add to that Skynet being a sore looser, the moment it goes off line completely, it triggers a dead man's switch that nukes the hell out of the place, a sort of, you kill me, I kill you, thing!


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 05:04 PM

So is this some unseen but escapes t-800 Arny or a human arny that the t-800s used as a model?

 

This movie is supposed to be the direct successor to T2. It must be Sgt Candy.

 

 


 
 
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Posted 23 May 2019 - 05:49 PM

It's pretty cool to see Linda Hamilton back, but I'd rather have Lena Headey. 


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 06:50 PM

So...

Is John Connor still around, or is he dead?

Rust, that sounds like a great way to end this series. I mean, i've been convinced for years that there is no way to stop Judgement Day, because the whole thing is a temporal paradox loop that can only end in the future. I mean, even from the first movie, its shown the John Connor literally exists as a paradox. Since he is conceived because Skynet tries to murder his mother, which leads to Kyle going back in time to protect her, which leads to them falling in love, which to the Terminator killing him, which leads to Sarah killing it, which leads to Cyberdyne salvaging the pieces to form the basis of what becomes Skynet. Thus, despite their best efforts in T2, Skynet has to exist, because John now does.

Skynet exists because of John and John exists because of Skynet. Paradox loop.

Which is where i think Genesys was trying to go with A Skynet trying to break the loop. 4xcept that film bungled it.

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 07:49 AM

The only way to break the loop is to kill Kyle before he goes back in time because Skynet doesn't know its trapped in a loop because Kyle is the most important factor in the loop, he born in the future, yet dies in the past, its a case of Skynet is pretty much its own worse enemy and if Skynet knew that Kyle was the father of John Conner, it would likely target him for termination as enemy No1 while John would likely be No2, if the Terminator suceeded in its mission and killed Kyle before he went back in time or before he meets John's mother, it would alter the future, for better or for worse, for we know, it could lead to Skynet erasing its self from history, man, I hate thinking about Time travel, its nothing but headaches and one would question, what would the Terminator do if it completed its mission, did it have a hit list beyond Sarah Conner, I'm sure it would likely carried on being the telephone book murders of Sarah Conner until it ran out of Sarah Conners to kill, its said in T3 that the Terminator in that film is on a mission to wipe out the rest of the possible resistance leaders including John's future wife,


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 08:38 AM

The Sarah Connor Chronicles seemed to be heading toward my preferred resolution: Judgement Day is inevitable, but the Judgement itself is not. It's possible to substitute Skynet with some other AI (Cameron, the Turk, John Henry, etc) that is more accommodating to humans (assuming, of course, that humans prove worthy of being accommodated, which is John's role: not the warrior who will lead them to victory, but the peacemaker who will help them build a future).

Hell, Catherine Weaver's backstory suggests that this "anti-Skynet" already existed in the future (the Terminators that helped the Resistance weren't all reprogrammed, some were recruited of their own free will), just too weak to make a difference.

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 10:13 AM

Looks like it should be a direct to dvd movie. woof.



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Posted 24 May 2019 - 11:02 AM

I'm convinced that every one of these movies is in canon. Each one shows a loop, but we're not seeing all of the loops between the movies. The reason Kyle Reese and John Connor look so different across the films is that John Connor keeps finding different guys named Kyle Reese, resulting in a different John Connor in the next loop.


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 12:40 PM

Honestly, I think the best bet would be to embrace the multiple timelines and really run with it. Crisis In Infinite Skynets.


 
 
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Posted 24 May 2019 - 12:54 PM

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 03:14 PM

Better yet, all three Sarah Connors come together in one timeline (can throw in a quick GoT reference for kicks).


 
 
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Posted 24 May 2019 - 03:46 PM

Soldier Kyle Reese stepped in the Sky-net accelerator and vanished..



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Posted 24 May 2019 - 03:55 PM

Soldier Kyle Reese stepped in the Sky-net accelerator and vanished..

 


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Posted 04 June 2019 - 09:44 AM

Ok, if you want to read potential take-a- massive-grain-of-salt-no-really spoilers, the in the spoiler tag is the link and my thoughts on these apparent Dark Fate plot leaks from test screening making the rounds.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 12:20 PM

It just won't be the same unless they use Brad Fiedel's themes.  And I don't just mean a few cues here and there.  Themes like this were a big part of what made the first two movies feel the way they did.

 


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Posted 04 June 2019 - 02:43 PM

Ok, if you want to read potential take-a- massive-grain-of-salt-no-really spoilers, the in the spoiler tag is the link and my thoughts on these apparent Dark Fate plot leaks from test screening making the rounds.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 03:08 PM

The only way to break the loop is to kill Kyle before he goes back in time because Skynet doesn't know its trapped in a loop because Kyle is the most important factor in the loop, he born in the future, yet dies in the past, its a case of Skynet is pretty much its own worse enemy and if Skynet knew that Kyle was the father of John Conner, it would likely target him for termination as enemy No1 while John would likely be No2, if the Terminator suceeded in its mission and killed Kyle before he went back in time or before he meets John's mother, it would alter the future, for better or for worse, for we know, it could lead to Skynet erasing its self from history, man, I hate thinking about Time travel, its nothing but headaches and one would question, what would the Terminator do if it completed its mission, did it have a hit list beyond Sarah Conner, I'm sure it would likely carried on being the telephone book murders of Sarah Conner until it ran out of Sarah Conners to kill, its said in T3 that the Terminator in that film is on a mission to wipe out the rest of the possible resistance leaders including John's future wife,

 

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