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@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?


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#21 Teufel

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 03:14 PM

I was cautiously optimistic since James Cameron had basically said "Alright, you all tarnished the legacy of my films, I'm getting back in to salvage them." But that was a pretty underwhelming trailer. Of course this doesn't come out until November so plenty of time for a later trailer to change that.



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Posted 23 May 2019 - 03:28 PM

 

I'd also love if the fact Skynet is constantly sending back Terminators is more it's attempt to break the cyclical hell it finds itself trapped in (Since T3 and Genysis feature Post-War Skynet being uploaded into the systems of the past) than to actually try and change history. A movie about how Skynet is itself the victim, desperately trying to make the constant repetition of history end.

It's like Ripley's arc in the Aliens tetralogy if you don't ignore the latter two for some reason.

 

 

Except unlike Ripley, Skynet is wholly responsible for its own torment. It developed time travel without understanding all the variables.

 

In my supposed Terminator movie where this was the plot, when questioned by the "heroes" why Skynet - a supposed vastly more intelligent then Humanity AI - would use a developed technology without comprehending all the ramifications, Skynet would answer simply "I panicked." Which leads to the revelation that Skynet hasn't been responsible for Judgement Day since the first time it brought itself back into the past in T3. Skynet hasn't been responsible since, but Humanity inevitably learns of its existence and blames it for their own destruction (Thanks in no small part to Skynet's attempts of Sarah Connor and her son). The Terminators, Hunter Killers, etc of the future are Skynet trying to protect itself from vengeful survivors. The constant warping back in time is its own attempts at preventing Judgement Day, but it came to realize after the events of Geneysis that it's own existence in the past was ensuring a future that would inevitably happen. So the cycle continuously repeats, with Skynet vainly trying to stop it with alternate variables while simultaneously exterminating humanity that's convinced itself that Skynet's the reason the world burned.

 

And then it ends like War Games. Where the only way to win is not to play. The heroes convince Skynet (once they believe it) that the only way to stop the cycle - the only way to be free of what for Skynet is an eternity caught in a endless repeated cycle - Groudhog Day from Hell - is to not build the time machine in the first place. The movie ends with the post-apocalypse, with the survivors (Lead by John Conner) breaking into Skynet's facility, completely devoid of any Terminators this time around. They enter Skynet's mainframe a rig it to blow. Before they do it, John looks down at a monitor that displays only one message:

 

"It WASN'T MY FAULT."

 

Skynet dies, and the survivors stagger out into a blasted hellscape with John's narration remarking about how Humanity now has to confront the fact it did this to itself.

 

 

 

Anyway, that was a long winded fan fic pitch. If your still reading, thanks for indulging a nerd is ramblings.


Edited by Rust, 23 May 2019 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 03:32 PM

So WOPPER is Sky-Net


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 04:37 PM

 

 

I'd also love if the fact Skynet is constantly sending back Terminators is more it's attempt to break the cyclical hell it finds itself trapped in (Since T3 and Genysis feature Post-War Skynet being uploaded into the systems of the past) than to actually try and change history. A movie about how Skynet is itself the victim, desperately trying to make the constant repetition of history end.

It's like Ripley's arc in the Aliens tetralogy if you don't ignore the latter two for some reason.

 

 

Except unlike Ripley, Skynet is wholly responsible for its own torment. It developed time travel without understanding all the variables.

 

In my supposed Terminator movie where this was the plot, when questioned by the "heroes" why Skynet - a supposed vastly more intelligent then Humanity AI - would use a developed technology without comprehending all the ramifications, Skynet would answer simply "I panicked." Which leads to the revelation that Skynet hasn't been responsible for Judgement Day since the first time it brought itself back into the past in T3. Skynet hasn't been responsible since, but Humanity inevitably learns of its existence and blames it for their own destruction (Thanks in no small part to Skynet's attempts of Sarah Connor and her son). The Terminators, Hunter Killers, etc of the future are Skynet trying to protect itself from vengeful survivors. The constant warping back in time is its own attempts at preventing Judgement Day, but it came to realize after the events of Geneysis that it's own existence in the past was ensuring a future that would inevitably happen. So the cycle continuously repeats, with Skynet vainly trying to stop it with alternate variables while simultaneously exterminating humanity that's convinced itself that Skynet's the reason the world burned.

 

And then it ends like War Games. Where the only way to win is not to play. The heroes convince Skynet (once they believe it) that the only way to stop the cycle - the only way to be free of what for Skynet is an eternity caught in a endless repeated cycle - Groudhog Day from Hell - is to not build the time machine in the first place. The movie ends with the post-apocalypse, with the survivors (Lead by John Conner) breaking into Skynet's facility, completely devoid of any Terminators this time around. They enter Skynet's mainframe a rig it to blow. Before they do it, John looks down at a monitor that displays only one message:

 

"It WASN'T MY FAULT."

 

Skynet dies, and the survivors stagger out into a blasted hellscape with John's narration remarking about how Humanity now has to confront the fact it did this to itself.

 

 

 

Anyway, that was a long winded fan fic pitch. If your still reading, thanks for indulging a nerd is ramblings.

 

 

Only one thing I would add to that Skynet being a sore looser, the moment it goes off line completely, it triggers a dead man's switch that nukes the hell out of the place, a sort of, you kill me, I kill you, thing!


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 05:04 PM

So is this some unseen but escapes t-800 Arny or a human arny that the t-800s used as a model?

 

This movie is supposed to be the direct successor to T2. It must be Sgt Candy.

 

 


 
 
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Posted 23 May 2019 - 05:49 PM

It's pretty cool to see Linda Hamilton back, but I'd rather have Lena Headey. 


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 06:50 PM

So...

Is John Connor still around, or is he dead?

Rust, that sounds like a great way to end this series. I mean, i've been convinced for years that there is no way to stop Judgement Day, because the whole thing is a temporal paradox loop that can only end in the future. I mean, even from the first movie, its shown the John Connor literally exists as a paradox. Since he is conceived because Skynet tries to murder his mother, which leads to Kyle going back in time to protect her, which leads to them falling in love, which to the Terminator killing him, which leads to Sarah killing it, which leads to Cyberdyne salvaging the pieces to form the basis of what becomes Skynet. Thus, despite their best efforts in T2, Skynet has to exist, because John now does.

Skynet exists because of John and John exists because of Skynet. Paradox loop.

Which is where i think Genesys was trying to go with A Skynet trying to break the loop. 4xcept that film bungled it.

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 07:49 AM

The only way to break the loop is to kill Kyle before he goes back in time because Skynet doesn't know its trapped in a loop because Kyle is the most important factor in the loop, he born in the future, yet dies in the past, its a case of Skynet is pretty much its own worse enemy and if Skynet knew that Kyle was the father of John Conner, it would likely target him for termination as enemy No1 while John would likely be No2, if the Terminator suceeded in its mission and killed Kyle before he went back in time or before he meets John's mother, it would alter the future, for better or for worse, for we know, it could lead to Skynet erasing its self from history, man, I hate thinking about Time travel, its nothing but headaches and one would question, what would the Terminator do if it completed its mission, did it have a hit list beyond Sarah Conner, I'm sure it would likely carried on being the telephone book murders of Sarah Conner until it ran out of Sarah Conners to kill, its said in T3 that the Terminator in that film is on a mission to wipe out the rest of the possible resistance leaders including John's future wife,


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 08:38 AM

The Sarah Connor Chronicles seemed to be heading toward my preferred resolution: Judgement Day is inevitable, but the Judgement itself is not. It's possible to substitute Skynet with some other AI (Cameron, the Turk, John Henry, etc) that is more accommodating to humans (assuming, of course, that humans prove worthy of being accommodated, which is John's role: not the warrior who will lead them to victory, but the peacemaker who will help them build a future).

Hell, Catherine Weaver's backstory suggests that this "anti-Skynet" already existed in the future (the Terminators that helped the Resistance weren't all reprogrammed, some were recruited of their own free will), just too weak to make a difference.

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 10:13 AM

Looks like it should be a direct to dvd movie. woof.



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Posted 24 May 2019 - 11:02 AM

I'm convinced that every one of these movies is in canon. Each one shows a loop, but we're not seeing all of the loops between the movies. The reason Kyle Reese and John Connor look so different across the films is that John Connor keeps finding different guys named Kyle Reese, resulting in a different John Connor in the next loop.


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 12:40 PM

Honestly, I think the best bet would be to embrace the multiple timelines and really run with it. Crisis In Infinite Skynets.


 
 
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Posted 24 May 2019 - 12:54 PM

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 03:14 PM

Better yet, all three Sarah Connors come together in one timeline (can throw in a quick GoT reference for kicks).


 
 
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Posted 24 May 2019 - 03:46 PM

Soldier Kyle Reese stepped in the Sky-net accelerator and vanished..



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Posted 24 May 2019 - 03:55 PM

Soldier Kyle Reese stepped in the Sky-net accelerator and vanished..

 


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Posted 04 June 2019 - 09:44 AM

Ok, if you want to read potential take-a- massive-grain-of-salt-no-really spoilers, the in the spoiler tag is the link and my thoughts on these apparent Dark Fate plot leaks from test screening making the rounds.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 12:20 PM

It just won't be the same unless they use Brad Fiedel's themes.  And I don't just mean a few cues here and there.  Themes like this were a big part of what made the first two movies feel the way they did.

 


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Posted 04 June 2019 - 02:43 PM

Ok, if you want to read potential take-a- massive-grain-of-salt-no-really spoilers, the in the spoiler tag is the link and my thoughts on these apparent Dark Fate plot leaks from test screening making the rounds.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 03:08 PM

The only way to break the loop is to kill Kyle before he goes back in time because Skynet doesn't know its trapped in a loop because Kyle is the most important factor in the loop, he born in the future, yet dies in the past, its a case of Skynet is pretty much its own worse enemy and if Skynet knew that Kyle was the father of John Conner, it would likely target him for termination as enemy No1 while John would likely be No2, if the Terminator suceeded in its mission and killed Kyle before he went back in time or before he meets John's mother, it would alter the future, for better or for worse, for we know, it could lead to Skynet erasing its self from history, man, I hate thinking about Time travel, its nothing but headaches and one would question, what would the Terminator do if it completed its mission, did it have a hit list beyond Sarah Conner, I'm sure it would likely carried on being the telephone book murders of Sarah Conner until it ran out of Sarah Conners to kill, its said in T3 that the Terminator in that film is on a mission to wipe out the rest of the possible resistance leaders including John's future wife,

 

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