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@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."


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#1 Jenny

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 06:23 PM

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#2 SHIELD Agent 47

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 06:28 PM

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#3 Broadside

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 07:18 PM

But MTMTE fingers.

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 07:21 PM

Interesting that there seems to be some kind of fungi(?) growing out in the badlands.

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 09:04 PM

First it was the helicopter, now its the jet.

I hope Cosmos attacks Cyclonus in the next IDW continuity.


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Posted 23 April 2019 - 09:34 PM

Shes seriously yelling at someone we cant see? And theyre not even on-panel?

Thats not how things work.

Hopefully its a spread page?

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#7 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 08:29 AM

"That's Cyclonus! He's running!", they say, not actually drawing it.

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 08:45 AM

But... We see Cyclonus... Right there... He's *on the page*... I mean... What???

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 08:53 AM

On the next page.

In the actual comic where the pages are next to each other, I can see it working better.



#10 Jenny

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 08:59 AM

What a strange complaint.



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Posted 24 April 2019 - 10:31 AM

I mean, three quarters of that page are dedicated to spotting, pointing out, yelling at, and chasing someone that doesn't get pictured until the next page. It's a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but it did take me out of the story for a couple of seconds.

Also, hey look, Whitman pencils on non-Orion/Megatron stuff!
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#12 Xaaron

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 10:32 AM

Show Don't Tell is one of the oldest rules of storytelling.

 

A panel of Cyclonus running is much more engaging than a panel of Chromia reacting to Cyclonus running, off-panel somewhere.



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Posted 24 April 2019 - 11:29 AM

But... We see Cyclonus... Right there... He's *on the page*... I mean... What???

 

I disagree; he is not on the page. He does not appear physically until the next page, and even if "Cyclonus" is a recognizable legacy name in this brand, it is still incongruous to see a name dropped when its owner is not depicted in a timely fashion for the scenario at hand i.e. at the exact moment when a law enforcer audibly exclaims to observe a suspicious person.

 

As a result of normal storytelling experience, I and others here would expect an evident name owner to appear in the same panel as when the name is significantly called out.


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Posted 24 April 2019 - 12:54 PM

Is this the next evolution of the days when we used to crap on MTMTE/LL for not spoiling every twist in a 3 page preview?

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 01:04 PM

Cyclonus brought it in with him.

 

Hopefully that's all he brought. Rubble is real young.



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Posted 24 April 2019 - 01:13 PM

Also, hey look, Whitman pencils on non-Orion/Megatron stuff!

 

Are you sure?  This looks like Sara Pitre-Durocher to me, and her name is listed first after the writer on the cover.  



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Posted 24 April 2019 - 01:13 PM

What a strange complaint.

I can't agree with this more.  It may be the strangest complaint I've heard in all my years in the fandom, and that's saying a lot with this fandom.



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Posted 24 April 2019 - 01:25 PM

I read a lot of comic books. It is a *weird* storytelling choice. That's just not how you generally want to tell a story in comics where you can (and absolutely should) literally show and not tell. The moment definitely struck me and took me back for a moment.

-ZacWilliam, it not the worst page ever or anything but it's not a good storytelling choice.

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 01:27 PM

 

What a strange complaint.

I can't agree with this more.  It may be the strangest complaint I've heard in all my years in the fandom, and that's saying a lot with this fandom.

 

I don't see how it's "strange" at all? I mean agree or disagree, it's a pretty straight forward "basic comic book page composition" critique. 



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Posted 24 April 2019 - 01:31 PM

I don't have the issue on hand to check, but issue 2 of MTMTE had something similar with Rewind

 

I mean I get the complaint but like, it's a minor thing in the end.





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