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@  Bass X0 : (20 May 2019 - 11:16 AM)

SEND THE BOOKS!!

@  Cybersnark : (20 May 2019 - 08:52 AM)

So, now that Game of Thrones is over, when can we get back to The Dragon Prince?

@  unluckiness : (20 May 2019 - 12:19 AM)

Like, half of them nowadays are montages of tweet screencaps from the writer's inbox

@  unluckiness : (20 May 2019 - 12:18 AM)

lol you expected integrity from internet news

@  fourteenwings : (19 May 2019 - 11:33 PM)

I'm mostly confused how news sites went from "Analysing all the amazingness of Game of Thrones" to "Fans sure don't like this season!", like... way to prioritize clicks over a solid editorial opinion

@  fourteenwings : (19 May 2019 - 11:30 PM)

[and there's a recurring setting of a "derelict industrial site"] is this like the Toei Quarry?

@  MEDdMI : (19 May 2019 - 11:17 PM)

@Foffy and then that giant lasagna just tipped over and killed everyone, to be later known as the infamous Bad Monday event.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 May 2019 - 10:59 PM)

Ahahaha!!! Go read the reactions for yourself. To say anything more here risks spoiling the finale for subscribing Allsparkers, the quality of this season notwithstanding.

@  Foffy : (19 May 2019 - 10:59 PM)

pretty wild how heathcliff was in the game of thrones finale, i was not expecting that crossover

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2019 - 10:48 PM)

were they still super pissed?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 May 2019 - 10:48 PM)

Well, as someone who is not into Game of Thrones, it sure was entertaining to open up social media this evening to unexpectedly see headlines about fan reactions to the finale. Lmao.

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 06:12 PM)

But it's also a SUPER-well known location in my region, so these extensive exterior shots without any post production alterations completely ruin the illusion for me.

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 06:11 PM)

I mean, I get why they did it: It's an existing location that fits the purpose, it's open for the public, and they had to shoot some scenes in my home state anyway to due a subsidizing deal.

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Needless to say, it's not in Berlin, and even what's seen onscreen is waaaaay too modern for something that's supposed to exist in 1929 (even moreso as a derelict site in 1929). The structures seen haven't even been built until the 1960s!

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 06:07 PM)

I'm currently in the process of watching season 2 of Babylon Berlin, and there's a recurring setting of a "derelict industrial site" or whatever it's supposed to be on the show, and I easily recognize it as a place only a few minutes from where I live (it's actually a former ironworks site that's been turned into a public park).

@  Xellos : (19 May 2019 - 05:52 PM)

Ever since I went to Japan last year, I have friend who dread watching anime with me due to that...

@  Xellos : (19 May 2019 - 05:51 PM)

Not hugely, but I am the type to notice places once I have been there and say "Hey, I've been there!"

@  wonko the sane? : (19 May 2019 - 05:50 PM)

Half of new york city (on tape.) is actually montreal.

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2019 - 05:50 PM)

I watched Death Wish 5 last night and clearly recognized Toronto streets; didn't pull me out of Bronson's 1-man war on drugs or fashion or whatever it was that pissed him off that time

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2019 - 05:49 PM)

it's nice to finally be thought of as exotic by somebody! lol

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 05:48 PM)

In an "I cannot possibly make my brain ignore the location I'm familiar with and pretend it's whatever the story claims it is" way?

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 05:42 PM)

Question for those of you living in exotic locations such as the US or the UK: If you watch a movie or a TV show that features a real-life location as a stand-in for someplace else, and you recognize the real-life location due to having been there in person, does that pull you out of the story?

@  Xellos : (19 May 2019 - 05:15 PM)

Maybe you should have installed macOS in your house instead.

@  Noideaforaname : (19 May 2019 - 04:40 PM)

Nothing like coming home after a long day to find a bird in the house. And then once you sit down for a well-earned rest after leading the bird back outside, you find it had a friend. A friend who *really* doesn't understand how windows work...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (19 May 2019 - 01:26 PM)

Bingo. The big polls don't tell people what's actually happening because that doesn't sell.

@  fourteenwings : (19 May 2019 - 10:59 AM)

IIRC there are good polls but data is easily manipulated so they give people what they want to hear

@  wonko the sane? : (19 May 2019 - 10:58 AM)

The only way to get people interested in politics is to make into reality TV. So they lie to do it.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (19 May 2019 - 01:38 AM)

Yeah, polling these days is garbage.

@  Sean Whitmore : (18 May 2019 - 11:53 PM)

Well, he was an honest man. He wasn’t gonna lie to a 5-year-old.

@  Paladin : (18 May 2019 - 08:34 PM)

Grandfather once said to me, "I'm going upstairs and hug your grandma."

@  Sabrblade : (18 May 2019 - 07:08 PM)

Mama always said that you can tell a lot 'bout a person from 'is shoes...

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 May 2019 - 03:54 PM)

Life is like a box of chocolates. Stay out of the sun or melt into a pile of gross slop.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 May 2019 - 10:26 AM)

Greasy, disappointing and still managing to be over priced?

@  Lancer : (18 May 2019 - 10:22 AM)

... Yes, it is!

@  Noideaforaname : (18 May 2019 - 09:48 AM)

Life's a fillet of fish!

@  unluckiness : (18 May 2019 - 08:53 AM)

ow the edge

@  Paladin : (18 May 2019 - 07:03 AM)

a reminder that life is an unrepentant hellscape where everyone & everything you know will eventually betray you.

@  Pennpenn : (18 May 2019 - 06:45 AM)

You know, this election is what has finally broken me of any confidence at any point of pre-polling data. I mean, it's always been sketchy, but this is just... aaaargh!

@  Pennpenn : (18 May 2019 - 06:08 AM)

I was going to make an Auspol election thread in P&R, but the outcome so far has made me feel physically ill.

@  Gamma V : (18 May 2019 - 03:28 AM)

Haven't been here in a long time.

@  Pennpenn : (18 May 2019 - 03:16 AM)

I have heard that, it's rather disappointing. Ah, maybe they'll just leech each others stores of "awful racist vote" and not go anywhere.

@  Trpodeca : (17 May 2019 - 11:09 PM)

I voted. Boy there are a worrying amount of parties which sound like fascists.

@  Pennpenn : (17 May 2019 - 06:55 PM)

For those in Australia, it is a federal election today. Go Vote! It's Mandatory!

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2019 - 04:19 PM)

Humor? I 'ardly know 'or!

@  wonko the sane? : (17 May 2019 - 03:51 PM)

I was intemately familiar with humour... but she just wanted to be friends...

@  Maximus Ambus : (17 May 2019 - 12:10 PM)

BZT Time out! Time out! Time ooooooouuuuuut!!!

@  unluckiness : (17 May 2019 - 08:23 AM)

Yes. Are you familiar with humor?

@  Sabrblade : (17 May 2019 - 07:50 AM)

You are familiar with The Room, yes?

@  unluckiness : (17 May 2019 - 01:14 AM)

nah, tuxedos are formal wear

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2019 - 10:38 PM)

*...while dressed in a tuxedo*


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#1 SHIELD Agent 47

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 03:50 PM

Saw this in my Twitter feed. What is the opinion here? Does it grate on your mind when a writer does not know a basic life phenomenon, and their lack of research is painfully apparent?

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 04:30 PM

I have 4 brothers and can't really imagine not calling them by their first name?

"Bro" is slang tho so that one slides. I did have neigbors once who had 2 fraternal twins. One time I heard the one say "Brother, come here" and it struck me as peculiar.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 04:32 PM

There... are indeed parents who don't refer to their kids by name. Has he not met any?



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Posted 04 February 2019 - 04:51 PM

In regards to the first example, I agree with the initial point, but not the response. It's weird when characters only refer to their children as "our son/daughter" (with allowance made for when a kid did something wrong/stupid  e.g. "YOUR son stuck his wiener in the toaster... again."

 

But siblings? I don't have any, but my wife calls her sister by her first name all the time. I think everyone I know refers to their siblings by their first names unless they happen to have a nickname of some sort.

 

In the broader sense though yes, basic information that gets missed or worse still, intentionally ignored to enable a plot device irritates me. I'm not saying minutia necessarily (unless the writing clearly makes a big deal about how important minutia is but still selectively ignores it - like sound in space or something), but just basic stuff like I don't know, a procedural drama that so blatantly ignores procedure just for the sake of increasing the "intensity" of a scene and then never deals with the real fallout that should have follow. Suits is a notorious example of this that springs to mind. It's a law firm yet - among many other issues - they offer such a ridiculously hostile work environment that they'd be sued out of existence multiple times over. Also, every medical show ever.


 
 
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 06:18 PM

It also depends on the tone and setting.

It wouldn't be entirely out of place to use 'brother' or 'sister' in a high fantasy setting (like Lord of the Rings) or if you're setting a specific portentous tone, where speaking casually would undermine tensions.

Like almost all writing, it's a matter of using the right words in the right context.

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 08:19 PM

I dunno, when I was a kid I was sure my name was 'You Little Shit'

And my sisters were all a variation of 'JenHeathAngela'
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Posted 05 February 2019 - 01:12 AM

I call all my sibs by first names or bro or sis

 

What else are you gonna call them otherwise??


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 02:07 AM

Yeah I was confused, being an only child, that siblings don't call each other by their first name.


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 02:35 AM

I'm really curious to know what she did call her sister, if not any of the obvious things. Unfortunately I guess we'll never know, since her Twitter is private.


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 08:27 AM

I'm an only child, but the only set of siblings I interact with regularly are my cousins F'lis (Felicity) and Em (Emily).

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:28 AM

I called my brother all kinds of names, none of which are on his birth certificate. ;)  

My sister, though, she's always just been Sarah.  


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 01:30 PM

When this sort of thing pops up in fiction, it's almost always hamfisted exposition to explain character relationships, with exceptions like the Han and Leia thing where they were saving Ben's name reveal for a dramatic moment. I'm not saying it doesn't happen in real life, but the reason for it in fiction is always obvious and takes me out of it a bit.



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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:02 PM

Neither way is broadly wrong or unrealistic. It all depends on context, and the characters relationships.
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Posted 05 February 2019 - 05:38 PM

Generally I call them diminutives. I doubt I've ever called my brother Gabriel and I likely haven't called my sister Elisia very much. It's pretty much always been Gabe and Leesh.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 02:31 AM

I call my brothers usually by their shortened names. Bob, Jon, Greg and other times Roberto, J, and G-man, but that's usually when I'm feeling rather like being pains in their butts. Bro is the most commonly used term between us.



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Posted 15 February 2019 - 02:20 PM

I refer to my brother by his first name. So do my parents. Pretty sure that's normal.


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 02:44 PM

American Dad did a brilliant take on this when Stan is listening in on a conversation Francine is having with her sister over the phone concerning financial troubles.

 

"What?...I've never called you 'sis' before?....Huh. You're right. It DOES sound like clunky exposition to explain who you are to people who have never met you before. Weird."



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Posted 15 February 2019 - 08:45 PM

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