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@  Maximus Ambus : (29 September 2020 - 01:35 AM)

Ever notice Kath SOucie's Janine in the later episodes of Real Ghostbusters sounds like Tara Strong's Sari Sumdac?

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 September 2020 - 02:10 PM)

I wish they were more universal like Beast Wars, Animated or Prime and as professionally done,

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 September 2020 - 02:06 PM)

The Netflix shows are done for adults, the Generation toyline is for adults who grew up with G1.

@  Sabrblade : (28 September 2020 - 12:53 PM)

Who said it ever was?

@  -LittleAutob... : (28 September 2020 - 12:43 PM)

Whatever happened to WFC Earthrise being a kids show X'D

@  wonko the sane? : (28 September 2020 - 11:43 AM)

Cool, my last tablet couldn't run it, and I stopped caring by the time I got the new one. So thanks!

@  Otaku : (28 September 2020 - 11:27 AM)

There are crossover characters, but the amount and distribution... Marvel Vs Capcom this ain't.  If @wonko the sane? my bad!

@  Otaku : (28 September 2020 - 11:21 AM)

I've been playing for *checks account* 1002 days, 23 hours.  So, by 2021, it will have been three years.  I think it takes place in its own continuity, largely inspired by G1 but borrowing from other places.

@  Otaku : (28 September 2020 - 11:19 AM)

@wonko the sane? Can only speak for Earth Wars, but so few they're easy to forget.

@  wonko the sane? : (28 September 2020 - 07:39 AM)

Didn't they already do the across universes thing in that tablet game?

@  Demovere Xeno : (28 September 2020 - 05:30 AM)

Also, make the setting an amalgamation of different Transformers series, rather than based on a specific one. Bring in things like 'Sentinel Major' as the primo Autobot jerk, and sleek car mode Vehicons as the Decepticons' basic grunt.

@  Demovere Xeno : (28 September 2020 - 05:27 AM)

KT just needs to incorporate the vehicle modes into the combat system, like Platinum did for Devastation, so they're for more than just wheeling it across the battlefield. =P

@  Demovere Xeno : (28 September 2020 - 05:25 AM)

Transformers: Warriors of Cybertron! =D

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (28 September 2020 - 05:15 AM)

I want a Power Rangers Mosu. I would also take a Transformers Mosu. :D

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 September 2020 - 04:50 AM)

It even ended on a sequel hook.

@  Demovere Xeno : (28 September 2020 - 04:40 AM)

Man, I just want another Devastation game... =(

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 September 2020 - 01:53 AM)

Aren't TFs way more varied than Joes, as far as they'd work in gameplay? Like, Omega Supreme is vastly different from Bumblebee.

@  unluckiness : (27 September 2020 - 10:16 PM)

Hell, ripoff Super Robot Wars withTFs

@  unluckiness : (27 September 2020 - 10:16 PM)

IDK they could make something like FF tactics or Fire Emblem ripoff with Robots and i'd buy it

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 September 2020 - 09:43 PM)

See, I feel GI Joe (with it's varied cast) is a better fit for a strategy game, where as Transformers feels more suited for a shooter.

@  Maruten : (27 September 2020 - 08:28 PM)

I might give them points for making a strategy game if it's actually a good strategy game.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 September 2020 - 07:48 PM)

I mean, points for making a strategy game instead of third person shooter, but: urrrrgggg. Cyberverse.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 September 2020 - 07:47 PM)

A transformers game for the switch? *checks* Urrrggg... cyberverse...

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 September 2020 - 06:28 PM)

October will be a big month for Hasbro fans: Zoids, GI Joe AND Transformers all have brand new console games. All on the Switch at that!

@  wonko the sane? : (27 September 2020 - 09:04 AM)

At least in animated he was more driven than just "loyal bootlick".

@  unluckiness : (27 September 2020 - 08:29 AM)

Oof, That's a huge downgrade

@  Maximus Ambus : (27 September 2020 - 02:35 AM)

After rewatching Animated Sound and Fury, in my head canon Titans Return Soundwave is that Soundwave.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 September 2020 - 04:09 PM)

On an unrelated note: I just got the BBTS email about kingdom pre-orders... and even the stuff I don't want I'm perfectly willing to get if it means I can have the rest of it.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 September 2020 - 04:08 PM)

It's digimon. So first one, then the other.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 September 2020 - 12:53 PM)

50/50 odds, it's either a helicopter with limbs, or a scantily-clad human with heli blades on their back. If female, 90% odds on the second one.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (26 September 2020 - 12:39 PM)

I read that as "Helicoptermon" and wondered what kind of Digimon that was.

@  Bass X0 : (26 September 2020 - 12:35 PM)

Helicopter-mom, transform!

@  Maximus Ambus : (25 September 2020 - 11:58 PM)

Aw I scratched the hood of my 35th anniversary Bluestreak. Fortunately he's in robot mode a lot.

@  Sabrblade : (25 September 2020 - 07:24 PM)

No decoration could improve the wall more than Knockout himself

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 September 2020 - 05:04 PM)

The wall could use some decorating, though. Maybe a nice shelf or a portrait.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 September 2020 - 04:32 PM)

I'm laughing so hard XDDD

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 September 2020 - 02:31 PM)

He doesn't even mind this time. You know what? It's comfortable here.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 September 2020 - 02:23 PM)

AND THEN KNOCKOUT WAS IN THE WALL AGAIN XDDD

@  Bass X0 : (25 September 2020 - 01:11 PM)

is an annoying stage in Super Mario World.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 September 2020 - 02:15 PM)

Gnarly.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (24 September 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Beast Era, a blonde rat called Sunsqueaker.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 September 2020 - 01:00 PM)

And then Knockout was in the wall again.

@  Sabrblade : (24 September 2020 - 12:53 PM)

Knockout: "Ooh, sorry, Lord Megatron. The correct word was... 'Decepticon'."

@  -LittleAutob... : (24 September 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Knockout: *while doing a crossword puzzle* Lord Megatron, whats a ten letter word for disappointment? | Megatron: ...... Starscream.

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 September 2020 - 01:20 PM)

@Bass X0 Shockwave did it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2020 - 11:56 AM)

At least it's not Suntwerker.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 September 2020 - 11:19 AM)

I read that name as "suntweaker" the first time, and was terrified for a moment...

@  Bass X0 : (23 September 2020 - 03:41 AM)

Prowl did nothing wrong.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2020 - 01:50 AM)

Smashy, Stabby, Selfy, and Shieldy.

@  Xero Prime : (22 September 2020 - 08:52 PM)

RunFast, MuckyTrail, TrackBreaker and Sunstreaker


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#1 Roddie Luver

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:15 AM

It was strange, but I find it cute.
 
Edit: Original title referred to Decepticon families in Japanese TF media, merged with a related thread about constructing cold. -- Copper
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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:18 AM

In general, I'm just not a fan of the whole "Transformers bang it out organic-style and make 'sparklets'" idea; personally, I prefer Vector Sigma/hot spot or other spark-emergent types of "procreation". The implication of Decepticon "families" lent itself to the former idea, so meh. Nothing against Transformers/Cybertronians going through growth stages, though.

 

Transformers having spouses is fine, but the whole "men out doing a fight so the ladies can stay home and tend to the kids" is a very '50s attitude that even in the 80s/early 90s was a very questionable choice.


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:57 AM

The what??


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:01 PM

I've no issues with the concept of Cybertronian families/spouses/children/etc., so long as it's not done in any off-putting way.

 

Transformers having spouses is fine, but the whole "men out doing a fight so the ladies can stay home and tend to the kids" is a very '50s attitude that even in the 80s/early 90s was a very questionable choice.

Oh, but see, since the space fortress turned out to be a space city, that means that while the men were off fighting in their silly war, the women and children were in the city running the government, the law enforcement departments, the financial offices, the emergency services, the educational institutes, the economy, and basically running the society and civilization all on their own. ;)


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:12 PM

In their original context, they were stupid in the same way that what Takara did with Arcee in the Headmasters cartoon was stupid, but I'm all for them being salvaged by modern writers.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 02:04 PM

In general, I'm just not a fan of the whole "Transformers bang it out organic-style and make 'sparklets'" idea; personally, I prefer Vector Sigma/hot spot or other spark-emergent types of "procreation". The implication of Decepticon "families" lent itself to the former idea, so meh. Nothing against Transformers/Cybertronians going through growth stages, though.
 
Transformers having spouses is fine, but the whole "men out doing a fight so the ladies can stay home and tend to the kids" is a very '50s attitude that even in the 80s/early 90s was a very questionable choice.

Eh, we don't know how they came to be. They could've been built. It may have not been organic style. I don't mind sparklings, but I do mind pregnancy.

In their original context, they were stupid in the same way that what Takara did with Arcee in the Headmasters cartoon was stupid, but I'm all for them being salvaged by modern writers.


I'm the mix. I find child transformers cute, but yet stupid. Mostly cute.
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Posted 01 February 2019 - 02:07 PM

Headcanon time: the destron fortress was a Titan. Esmeral is the Cityspeaker. and the Dinobabies are freshly forged from the Hotspot.



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 02:15 PM

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 03:38 PM

Relative to the main question of the thread, I have a somewhat indifferent to negative response to the depiction of Cybertronian families and babies. I got into Transformers for the sake of Cybertronians being a metallic, mechanical species distinct from humans. If I want to see organic processes and culture, I will look elsewhere, like in Game of Thrones.

 

The what??

 

https://tfwiki.net/w...The_Victory_War

 

In the final chapter of the 1989-1990 Victory comic, Star Saber led the Cybertrons to decisive victory over the Destrons, at which point the defeated Destrons begged for their fortress base not to be destroyed because their civilian families were all inside. We are led to believe that Deathsaurus's forces went on their campaign of galactic conquest, pillaging, and destruction for the sake of helping their families.

 

I suppose if you think about it, most conqueror nations in history worked somewhere along those lines. Inherently selfish people want to preserve their own legacy as they see fit in a world they perceive to have finite resources and/or space for egos. I believe there is an aphorism from Legend of the Galactic Heroes about "evil" being a relative concept when adversarial sentients fight for their own perspective of "good".


Edited by SHIELD Agent 47, 01 February 2019 - 03:54 PM.


#10 Roddie Luver

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:09 PM

Why should only carbon base life forms have a family? I can't see why they can't have a family. I mean they are living beings too. Would they go through pregnancy to have childern or lay eggs? No(and I hope not), but I don't see the problem with them having a family. Fyi, we aren't the only living beings to allow to have a family. The whole family thing shouldn't be the main thing in Transformers, but this type of stuff irks me. People seem to forget that Cybertronians are not or not just war machines. I get they're suppose to be different from us, but that still doesn't mean they can't have a family. I see no excuse for them not have a family. Any reason you give will not work ( people tried that with me last time). I'm a very stubborn person. I think they can have a family and still be different from us. Maybe they raise their family/kids different from ours. Idk

Edited by Roddie Luver, 01 February 2019 - 05:26 PM.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:47 PM

I'm not really a fan of excessive humanization, but if Transformers have to have families, I'm more in favor of a twin relationship where a protoform or spark divides at birth, or at the very most some kind of "protoform batch" that a young Transformer spends their formative years with.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:53 PM

I find child transformers cute, but yet stupid. Mostly cute.

Just like human children.
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Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:58 PM

I'm not really a fan of excessive humanization, but if Transformers have to have families, I'm more in favor of a twin relationship where a protoform or spark divides at birth, or at the very most some kind of "protoform batch" that a young Transformer spends their formative years with.

I like that.

I find child transformers cute, but yet stupid. Mostly cute.

Just like human children.
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Posted 01 February 2019 - 06:35 PM

I mean with Wingsverse and SG I think it's obvious that I like them :p Of course I tried to change the context a little bit - especially with Esmeral - but I don't have a problem with civilian love interests at home for the fighting men and women. It's especially interesting for making a new twist in the Decepticons' fighting for something other than themselves.

I'm cool with the kiddo robots too. But I've never been one obsessed with explaining the ins and outs of how that's possible. I mean they're alien robots created by their own robot deity by means of some magical energy force pulsing inside of them. I don't need to pretend that anything about them makes sense or that I'd be able to understand it if explained. They duplicate organic family bonds for us to find emotional connection with them, but hug all of that means anything else needs to reflect biology as our little brains can interpret.

Edited by NightViper, 01 February 2019 - 06:36 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 06:48 PM

I mean with Wingsverse and SG I think it's obvious that I like them :p Of course I tried to change the context a little bit - especially with Esmeral - but I don't have a problem with civilian love interests at home for the fighting men and women. It's especially interesting for making a new twist in the Decepticons' fighting for something other than themselves.
I'm cool with the kiddo robots too. But I've never been one obsessed with explaining the ins and outs of how that's possible. I mean they're alien robots created by their own robot deity by means of some magical energy force pulsing inside of them. I don't need to pretend that anything about them makes sense or that I'd be able to understand it if explained. They duplicate organic family bonds for us to find emotional connection with them, but hug all of that means anything else needs to reflect biology as our little brains can interpret.

Agreed. We don't need to know it's done.
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Posted 01 February 2019 - 07:05 PM

I presume they make babies the way the characters of Robots did.

 

https://youtu.be/9bwLzGzkSFI



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 07:19 PM

I presume they make babies the way the characters of Robots did.
 
https://youtu.be/9bwLzGzkSFI

Tramp would say: No they have to get down and dirty to have babies. If you don't know Tramp, he's a guy who believes that Transformers sexually reproducing is canon. His reason is that you wouldn't build a helpless baby. I agreed with that, that's why I believe that child transformers would be around 5-6 at the start of their life.
That's the age where kids are a semi independent. I see 10-11 the maxuim.

Edited by Roddie Luver, 01 February 2019 - 09:22 PM.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 09:01 PM

The concept doesnt really bother me, its one of the the things in this franchise where ya gotta go well thats that lol...but as far as toys go Id love a deluxe Lyzack & a voyager/leader Esmeral. Id always imagine she would be fairly high in the Decepticon hierarchy, I imagine her talking in almost a calm motherly tone befor springing a trap on her enemies or inflicting some horrible yet creative punishment on her minions for failure.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 09:32 PM

Surely there are better things to do with female characters than resurrect some nobodies who are literally just What If He Was A Girl Though.



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 09:53 PM

With all the dudes that are brothers because they look like the same toy, I'm okay with Lyzack and Leozack.

 

Esmeral is a little more iffy on that regard, but I do like her character design in its own right. So I'd like to see it come back... though preferably with no or at least changed connection to Deathsaurus.





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