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@  Maximus Ambus : (04 June 2020 - 11:51 PM)

They dubbed reaction shots and running scenes in the first two UT shows with "huh?" and grunts. very annoying.

@  Sabrblade : (04 June 2020 - 06:10 PM)

Watch it in Japanese with English subs. Karyuudo did all that work for us so that we could. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (04 June 2020 - 06:08 PM)

I tried... but it just wasn't that good. The comics were better.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 June 2020 - 04:07 PM)

I didn't even watch Armada when it originally aired.

@  -LittleAutob... : (04 June 2020 - 01:52 PM)

Anyone watch Armada anymore ._.

@  JRSBill : (03 June 2020 - 01:06 PM)

bain

@  Maximus Ambus : (03 June 2020 - 04:14 AM)

UBI is coming.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 June 2020 - 09:30 PM)

I can just HEAR his screechy G1 voice saying that....

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 June 2020 - 09:30 PM)

*Dies laughing* XDDDDDD

@  TheMightyMol... : (02 June 2020 - 07:01 PM)

Megatron's coupon has failed! Now I, Starscream, shall speak to your manager!

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 June 2020 - 06:39 PM)

(i just want to make jokes excuse my doing)

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 June 2020 - 06:38 PM)

ITS STARSCREAM.... AND HIS CLONES

@  Steevy Maximus : (02 June 2020 - 06:31 PM)

And there was no one there when I started!

@  Steevy Maximus : (02 June 2020 - 06:31 PM)

I swear, I'm in line to use a coupon, there is something wrong with said coupon, and suddenly I'm holding up a line of 3 or 4 people

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 June 2020 - 12:15 PM)

Ha! Talk about getting away with something!

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 June 2020 - 09:08 AM)

Carnivac was still an evil Decepticon at heart, and no one shot him in the back for it.

@  -LittleAutob... : (30 May 2020 - 06:52 PM)

*stares at the light switch* .... I see what you did there

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (30 May 2020 - 01:40 PM)

*hands llittleautobot1218 a light switch* There you go.

@  -LittleAutob... : (30 May 2020 - 10:53 AM)

I feel a need to lighten up the mood.... ;)

@  -LittleAutob... : (30 May 2020 - 10:38 AM)

:p

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 May 2020 - 02:14 AM)

Shockwave did it.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (30 May 2020 - 12:21 AM)

I'm not in the US and at least some of the episodes seem to work for me. I don't know the actual list of places it's available, though.

@  Shockwave 75 : (29 May 2020 - 10:37 PM)

Unfortunately It seems Cyberverse is only available in the US on YouTube.

@  -LittleAutob... : (29 May 2020 - 09:19 AM)

Yes, and its ongoing.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (29 May 2020 - 01:05 AM)

Cyberverse is already officially uploaded to YouTube.

@  fourteenwings : (29 May 2020 - 12:36 AM)

Spin Master is abridging current episodes of Bakugan Armored Alliance and posting the result on YouTube. Maybe Hasbro does that someday too.

@  -LittleAutob... : (28 May 2020 - 10:59 PM)

I see... :/

@  wonko the sane? : (28 May 2020 - 08:14 PM)

Within the US anyway. Those channels aren't easy or cheap to access in other countries, and their website often region lock content. Tubi is the only good thing on that list: largely identical (but not perfectly so. Damnit. I wanna watch COPS.) country to country and free.

@  Steevy Maximus : (28 May 2020 - 07:24 PM)

So yeah, Hasbro is using plenty of venues to spread exposure of their brands

@  Steevy Maximus : (28 May 2020 - 07:23 PM)

Starz currently licenses Transformers G1 and the GI Joe movie (as well as MLP specials). Netflix has more current series available.

@  Nevermore : (28 May 2020 - 07:21 PM)

Study shows: Holders of the title "world's oldest person" have a severely increased risk of dying.

@  Steevy Maximus : (28 May 2020 - 07:18 PM)

Tubi TV and Youtube both host various Hasbro cartoons. Both are freely accessed and ad supported. Any basic TV package (barring straight antenna) includes channels like USA Network, SyFy and FX, all of which regularly air the films from Transformers and GI Joe.

@  wonko the sane? : (28 May 2020 - 06:18 PM)

I dunno what to tell you, media might be changing slowly, but at least it's still accessible. Even the folks that DON'T get one of the streaming services can watch it on the company website. It's a vehicle for the toy line after all, they need to make an effort to make it as consumable as possible.

@  -LittleAutob... : (28 May 2020 - 05:41 PM)

Well. Thats said, then.... I guess... :doh

@  wonko the sane? : (28 May 2020 - 04:13 PM)

As long as the the cartoons are profitable, then they'll make more. The media it's shown on is completely irrelevant. I say that as a guy whose earliest surviving memory is a big red truck turning into a big red robot.

@  ZakuConvoy : (28 May 2020 - 03:06 PM)

Might be the end of an era. With the rise of streaming, who knows if Transformers will ever be on broadcast TV again.

@  -LittleAutob... : (28 May 2020 - 11:46 AM)

3 seasons on a show is usually enough... but yeah ;-;

@  Roddie Luver : (27 May 2020 - 09:37 PM)

I’m also sad Cyberverse has no season four.

@  Paladin : (26 May 2020 - 08:10 PM)

it's too hugging hot today.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

I'll agree with you on that.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

*Figured -_-

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

I fugured

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 May 2020 - 01:37 PM)

I'm actually sad Cyberverse won't get another season. 2 and 3 (of what I've seen) have REALLY nailed it in being fun little actions shows, like the Sunbow series.

@  Rycochet : (25 May 2020 - 01:00 PM)

Yes.

@  Maximus Ambus : (25 May 2020 - 12:52 PM)

I'm waiting for Animated season 4. Am I insane?

@  wonko the sane? : (25 May 2020 - 11:22 AM)

I'm waiting for the next season to show up on netflix.

@  Sabrblade : (25 May 2020 - 10:59 AM)

Many of us have already watched the rest of the Cyberverse episodes since the whole third season aired in the UK last September.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 May 2020 - 10:18 AM)

*9th

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 May 2020 - 10:17 AM)

I just saw the 8th episode... omg

@  Bass X0 : (25 May 2020 - 01:28 AM)

Already seen it online.


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#1 Roddie Luver

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:15 AM

It was strange, but I find it cute.
 
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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:18 AM

In general, I'm just not a fan of the whole "Transformers bang it out organic-style and make 'sparklets'" idea; personally, I prefer Vector Sigma/hot spot or other spark-emergent types of "procreation". The implication of Decepticon "families" lent itself to the former idea, so meh. Nothing against Transformers/Cybertronians going through growth stages, though.

 

Transformers having spouses is fine, but the whole "men out doing a fight so the ladies can stay home and tend to the kids" is a very '50s attitude that even in the 80s/early 90s was a very questionable choice.


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:57 AM

The what??


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:01 PM

I've no issues with the concept of Cybertronian families/spouses/children/etc., so long as it's not done in any off-putting way.

 

Transformers having spouses is fine, but the whole "men out doing a fight so the ladies can stay home and tend to the kids" is a very '50s attitude that even in the 80s/early 90s was a very questionable choice.

Oh, but see, since the space fortress turned out to be a space city, that means that while the men were off fighting in their silly war, the women and children were in the city running the government, the law enforcement departments, the financial offices, the emergency services, the educational institutes, the economy, and basically running the society and civilization all on their own. ;)


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:12 PM

In their original context, they were stupid in the same way that what Takara did with Arcee in the Headmasters cartoon was stupid, but I'm all for them being salvaged by modern writers.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 02:04 PM

In general, I'm just not a fan of the whole "Transformers bang it out organic-style and make 'sparklets'" idea; personally, I prefer Vector Sigma/hot spot or other spark-emergent types of "procreation". The implication of Decepticon "families" lent itself to the former idea, so meh. Nothing against Transformers/Cybertronians going through growth stages, though.
 
Transformers having spouses is fine, but the whole "men out doing a fight so the ladies can stay home and tend to the kids" is a very '50s attitude that even in the 80s/early 90s was a very questionable choice.

Eh, we don't know how they came to be. They could've been built. It may have not been organic style. I don't mind sparklings, but I do mind pregnancy.

In their original context, they were stupid in the same way that what Takara did with Arcee in the Headmasters cartoon was stupid, but I'm all for them being salvaged by modern writers.


I'm the mix. I find child transformers cute, but yet stupid. Mostly cute.
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Posted 01 February 2019 - 02:07 PM

Headcanon time: the destron fortress was a Titan. Esmeral is the Cityspeaker. and the Dinobabies are freshly forged from the Hotspot.



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 02:15 PM

Takara saw Carly's degree and took it to mean 'Makes Incredible Tea'.



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 03:38 PM

Relative to the main question of the thread, I have a somewhat indifferent to negative response to the depiction of Cybertronian families and babies. I got into Transformers for the sake of Cybertronians being a metallic, mechanical species distinct from humans. If I want to see organic processes and culture, I will look elsewhere, like in Game of Thrones.

 

The what??

 

https://tfwiki.net/w...The_Victory_War

 

In the final chapter of the 1989-1990 Victory comic, Star Saber led the Cybertrons to decisive victory over the Destrons, at which point the defeated Destrons begged for their fortress base not to be destroyed because their civilian families were all inside. We are led to believe that Deathsaurus's forces went on their campaign of galactic conquest, pillaging, and destruction for the sake of helping their families.

 

I suppose if you think about it, most conqueror nations in history worked somewhere along those lines. Inherently selfish people want to preserve their own legacy as they see fit in a world they perceive to have finite resources and/or space for egos. I believe there is an aphorism from Legend of the Galactic Heroes about "evil" being a relative concept when adversarial sentients fight for their own perspective of "good".


Edited by SHIELD Agent 47, 01 February 2019 - 03:54 PM.


#10 Roddie Luver

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:09 PM

Why should only carbon base life forms have a family? I can't see why they can't have a family. I mean they are living beings too. Would they go through pregnancy to have childern or lay eggs? No(and I hope not), but I don't see the problem with them having a family. Fyi, we aren't the only living beings to allow to have a family. The whole family thing shouldn't be the main thing in Transformers, but this type of stuff irks me. People seem to forget that Cybertronians are not or not just war machines. I get they're suppose to be different from us, but that still doesn't mean they can't have a family. I see no excuse for them not have a family. Any reason you give will not work ( people tried that with me last time). I'm a very stubborn person. I think they can have a family and still be different from us. Maybe they raise their family/kids different from ours. Idk

Edited by Roddie Luver, 01 February 2019 - 05:26 PM.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:47 PM

I'm not really a fan of excessive humanization, but if Transformers have to have families, I'm more in favor of a twin relationship where a protoform or spark divides at birth, or at the very most some kind of "protoform batch" that a young Transformer spends their formative years with.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:53 PM

I find child transformers cute, but yet stupid. Mostly cute.

Just like human children.
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Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:58 PM

I'm not really a fan of excessive humanization, but if Transformers have to have families, I'm more in favor of a twin relationship where a protoform or spark divides at birth, or at the very most some kind of "protoform batch" that a young Transformer spends their formative years with.

I like that.

I find child transformers cute, but yet stupid. Mostly cute.

Just like human children.
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Edited by Roddie Luver, 01 February 2019 - 06:02 PM.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 06:35 PM

I mean with Wingsverse and SG I think it's obvious that I like them :p Of course I tried to change the context a little bit - especially with Esmeral - but I don't have a problem with civilian love interests at home for the fighting men and women. It's especially interesting for making a new twist in the Decepticons' fighting for something other than themselves.

I'm cool with the kiddo robots too. But I've never been one obsessed with explaining the ins and outs of how that's possible. I mean they're alien robots created by their own robot deity by means of some magical energy force pulsing inside of them. I don't need to pretend that anything about them makes sense or that I'd be able to understand it if explained. They duplicate organic family bonds for us to find emotional connection with them, but hug all of that means anything else needs to reflect biology as our little brains can interpret.

Edited by NightViper, 01 February 2019 - 06:36 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 06:48 PM

I mean with Wingsverse and SG I think it's obvious that I like them :p Of course I tried to change the context a little bit - especially with Esmeral - but I don't have a problem with civilian love interests at home for the fighting men and women. It's especially interesting for making a new twist in the Decepticons' fighting for something other than themselves.
I'm cool with the kiddo robots too. But I've never been one obsessed with explaining the ins and outs of how that's possible. I mean they're alien robots created by their own robot deity by means of some magical energy force pulsing inside of them. I don't need to pretend that anything about them makes sense or that I'd be able to understand it if explained. They duplicate organic family bonds for us to find emotional connection with them, but hug all of that means anything else needs to reflect biology as our little brains can interpret.

Agreed. We don't need to know it's done.
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Posted 01 February 2019 - 07:05 PM

I presume they make babies the way the characters of Robots did.

 

https://youtu.be/9bwLzGzkSFI



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 07:19 PM

I presume they make babies the way the characters of Robots did.
 
https://youtu.be/9bwLzGzkSFI

Tramp would say: No they have to get down and dirty to have babies. If you don't know Tramp, he's a guy who believes that Transformers sexually reproducing is canon. His reason is that you wouldn't build a helpless baby. I agreed with that, that's why I believe that child transformers would be around 5-6 at the start of their life.
That's the age where kids are a semi independent. I see 10-11 the maxuim.

Edited by Roddie Luver, 01 February 2019 - 09:22 PM.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 09:01 PM

The concept doesnt really bother me, its one of the the things in this franchise where ya gotta go well thats that lol...but as far as toys go Id love a deluxe Lyzack & a voyager/leader Esmeral. Id always imagine she would be fairly high in the Decepticon hierarchy, I imagine her talking in almost a calm motherly tone befor springing a trap on her enemies or inflicting some horrible yet creative punishment on her minions for failure.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 09:32 PM

Surely there are better things to do with female characters than resurrect some nobodies who are literally just What If He Was A Girl Though.



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 09:53 PM

With all the dudes that are brothers because they look like the same toy, I'm okay with Lyzack and Leozack.

 

Esmeral is a little more iffy on that regard, but I do like her character design in its own right. So I'd like to see it come back... though preferably with no or at least changed connection to Deathsaurus.





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