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@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity


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#1 That One Guy

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 04:15 PM

I've been having a lot of trouble lately figuring out just how the Predacon Alliance is supposed to function, particularly in the time period after Beast Machines and the Universe War. For context, there are a whopping four different main sects of Predacons, each headed by a different leader. There's Razorclaw and the original Predacons who are in charge of a fairly large secret army, there's the Tripredacus Council who appear to be the dominant force in the Alliance (and they head the Secret Police), there's Galvatron who apparently is in charge of Darkmount, the new Predacon capital, and there's Megatron, freshly returned from the dead and occupying a lofty position in the Predacon military. Can someone please explain how all these different groups interact with one another, because when trying to write a fairly organized Predacon rebellion against the Maximals, I can't figure out who is subordinate to who.

Oh, and then there are also the hundreds of freed Decepticon war prisoners that Thundercracker mentioned in the Wreckers Finale Part II, which I can't even bother to think about right now.

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 04:35 PM

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 04:41 PM

Accurate.

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 04:48 PM

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 04:48 PM

Alliance is two parties that aren't friends agreeing to work together one something, so this alliance of Predacons could simply be a non agression pat between the factions as they all have the same goal, currently, which is likely to overthrow the Maximals but having no centralised leadership means to me, they aren't as big a threat as they appear to be, they could be all bark and no bite!


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 04:53 PM

The structure of the Predacon Alliance is never specified in the Beast Wars cartoon, which only tosses out the name as a vague governing body, providing no information on how or if it relates to the Tripredacus Council. 

 

I don't even know where most of the rest of the pieces of the puzzle you're referring to here even originate from, but I'm pretty sure you're working with as much information as is out there. Just fill-in the blanks however you like, this isn't some well-defined area of canon we're talking about here. Do whatever. 



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Posted 21 January 2019 - 05:03 PM

I don't even know where most of the rest of the pieces of the puzzle you're referring to here even originate from


For context, Razorclaw's army was seem in the epilogue of Dawn of Future's Past. Sometime near the end of the Great War, he and his team founded the Predacons as a faction and nearly conquered Cybertron, but he was then assassinated by the Tripredacus Council and the war was lost.

Galvatron was originally the main villain for Beast Wars II, a Japanese anime running parallel to Beast Wars. In the west, he made a brief cameo in the Wreckers Finale Part II, where he and his brother, Megastorm, were building the city of Darkmount, boldly stating it would act as the new capital of the Predacons.

As for Megatron, he returned from the dead after Beast Machines along with Primal to fight in the Universe War. His revival wasn't known at first, allowing him to secretly gain a lofty position in the Predacon military hierarchy behind Primal's back. The two eventually joined forces to fight Unicron, but Primal expects hostilities to return once the Universe War ends.

Nobody really knows where the Tripredacus Council went after Beast Machines, so they're a complete mystery. Considering all three of the aforementioned Predacon sects hate the Council, they're probably dead.

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 05:09 PM

Someone should have asked Thrustinator what happened in those ~10,000 extra years he lived after Beast Machines.

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 05:13 PM

Someone should have asked Thrustinator what happened in those ~10,000 extra years he lived after Beast Machines.


Yes. So much yes.

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 05:35 PM

Except the answer would be alternately "don't remember" and "who cares", then he'd shove the asker in a locker.


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 05:46 PM

Probably right, Sipher. Actually, while you're here, I was curious as to whether or not you got the PM I sent a few days ago. Nothing major, just a question I had that I thought you may be able to answer.

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 08:00 PM

I'll answer it for you: lime-green bikini briefs.



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Posted 21 January 2019 - 08:07 PM

Badly.

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 08:11 PM

Badly.


Accurate.

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM

Considering this information is very sparse in official fiction, you might as well take artistic license and write it however you think it should work.



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Posted 22 January 2019 - 10:50 PM

When at the point where there are four separate factions working against each other at once, is there really an alliance anymore?

 

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 05:25 PM

When at the point where there are four separate factions working against each other at once, is there really an alliance anymore?
 
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Nope! Not in any meaningful sense, anyhow. The real problem is trying to figure out how each clique would interact with one another. I'm shooting for a good ol' civil war between Maximals and Predacons, but given how divided the Alliance is (and how every single leader involved is as ambitious as the other, and debatably as intelligent), it's starting to look more like a WWII era China scenario, where one side is completely fragmented and disorganized and the other is overwhelmingly strong.

Razorclaw and Megatron probably have the best chances of actual victory (Razorclaw nearly conquered Cybertron and Megatron, y'know, DID), and the largest armies. Still, given a four way (or, if we exclude the Tripredacus, three way) civil war against the Maximals, the outcome doesn't look good, and the tension is somewhat minimized. Nobody was really afraid the scattered remnants of the Galactic Empire would defeat the New Republic, and the same applies here.

Oh, and in regards to the half a dozen other petty Predacon factions, just assume they died in a suicide bombing like the Decepticon Warlords in Wings Universe.

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 06:17 PM

 

When at the point where there are four separate factions working against each other at once, is there really an alliance anymore?
 
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Nope! Not in any meaningful sense, anyhow. The real problem is trying to figure out how each clique would interact with one another. I'm shooting for a good ol' civil war between Maximals and Predacons, but given how divided the Alliance is (and how every single leader involved is as ambitious as the other, and debatably as intelligent), it's starting to look more like a WWII era China scenario, where one side is completely fragmented and disorganized and the other is overwhelmingly strong.

Razorclaw and Megatron probably have the best chances of actual victory (Razorclaw nearly conquered Cybertron and Megatron, y'know, DID), and the largest armies. Still, given a four way (or, if we exclude the Tripredacus, three way) civil war against the Maximals, the outcome doesn't look good, and the tension is somewhat minimized. Nobody was really afraid the scattered remnants of the Galactic Empire would defeat the New Republic, and the same applies here.

Oh, and in regards to the half a dozen other petty Predacon factions, just assume they died in a suicide bombing like the Decepticon Warlords in Wings Universe.

 

 

Predacon Civil War, anyone?


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 08:06 PM

I mean, a dysfunctional collection of people who hate each other, posititioning for power and undercutting each other at every opportunity sounds like the only believable outcome of any Predacon alliance.
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Posted 23 January 2019 - 08:19 PM

I mean, a dysfunctional collection of people who hate each other, posititioning for power and undercutting each other at every opportunity sounds like the only believable outcome of any Predacon alliance.

 

Maybe that's why G1 Megatron kept Starscream around, at least then he knows when to watch his back, taking the old saying we have, keep your friends close and your enemies closer!


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