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@  Sean Whitmore : (15 January 2019 - 08:47 PM)

The fact that Adventure Time was on the air for 8 years and at no point did Nintendo hand the creators a large sack of money and say, "Please make a Mario thing for us" will forever anger me.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 07:03 PM)

There was so much awesome put into design and conception of the super mario bros. movie, and it didn't even need the branding: but it wouldn't have made it to the screen without the branding.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:56 PM)

Many aspects of it have stuck in my memory, though. The boots, the devolution ray, the aesthetic of the dinosaur city

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

I had no idea there was another Mario Bros. movie coming out, though. Doubt it'll top the first one, it was just so bizarre

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

They already act a bit like minions; they just aren't stupid

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 05:35 PM)

The trouble is: I honestly can't decide if making them minions would be better or worse than the continuously shrill voices they've used for the last 20 years.

@  Paladin : (15 January 2019 - 05:27 PM)

hope everyone's ready for Toads to look, act & sound like the Minions forever...

@  Lancer : (15 January 2019 - 04:54 PM)

I mean, considering Illumination is making the new Mario movie, Super Mario Bros. 1993 won't be the worst Mario movie anymore

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 04:36 PM)

"Sir, your pizza's here." "Not now!"

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Actually, yeah. I think I need to watch it again. Great movie.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 03:44 PM)

It's a fun movie with amazing sets. As long as you don't try to connect it to anything else Mario, it's fine.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Damn, I haven't thought about the Super Mario Bros. feature film in forever. Need to watch it again, soon; I can only imagine it gets better with time.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Re:Zero is a fantastic series.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 03:10 PM)

Yeah it's not a bad concept, it's just that lately the term is associated with "I, a Loser Everyman, Woke Up In a Generic Fantasy Setting Where I'm Super Special So Now Girls Orbit Me"

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 12:59 PM)

So too is the old Super Mario Bros movie

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 12:28 PM)

I went and looked up the term "isekai"... that's not actually as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 12:19 PM)

I'm not sure, but the cartoon segments of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show are.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Wait. A. Minute. Is Blaster Master an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (15 January 2019 - 08:49 AM)

*Dragon Slave*

@  Xellos : (15 January 2019 - 06:22 AM)

I used to use a pic like that as my avatar for years, but that... is a secret.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 02:07 AM)

Is Flatland an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (14 January 2019 - 11:16 PM)

@Xellos Every time I see you post, I picture Xellos' infuriating smug grin and finger waggling with the "sore wa hi*mi*tsu*desu <3"

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 09:50 PM)

The Last Starfighter is also one of those

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

Astronaut gets shot through a wornhole and ends up on a living starship full of escaped alien prisoners.

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

I realized a few months ago that Farscape is a sci-fi-based Isekai.

@  Sabrblade : (14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM)

The Thor movies and Enchanted, as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (14 January 2019 - 08:45 PM)

@xellos We get to many of those in Hollywood movies.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 08:13 PM)

Re:Creators!

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 07:47 PM)

There is also Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero, where people regularly get summoned to a fantasy world, then eventually sent back with their accumulated powers (and the main character smuggles the demon lord's daugher by his request, which is a no-no)

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 07:23 PM)

We need more inverse isekais, like The Devil is a Part-Timer

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 04:11 PM)

I feel like Tron is pushing it but I can't actually come up with an argument to that effect

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

To Arazyr- I don't see why it wouldn't be.

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 02:11 PM)

Just like how TRON and Captain N are early examples of "getting transported into a video game"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (14 January 2019 - 02:07 PM)

That would explain why it's so common for isekai settings to be blatantly RPG-inspired.

@  Arazyr : (14 January 2019 - 01:42 PM)

Would the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon count as isekai? 8^)

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:06 PM)

I am in the exceedingly unpleasant position of knowing what you're talking about

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:05 PM)

So I'll just say I can consume the series without endorsing the real-life lie that false rape accusations are common and successful.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:04 PM)

I would go on to talk about that, but alas, that would spoil significant future story details about the accuser.

@  B-Fox : (14 January 2019 - 12:03 PM)

Shield Hero dared to have a male character falsely accused of rape, right?

@  B-Fox : (14 January 2019 - 12:02 PM)

At least now people will stop shitting on slice-of-life shows....

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:01 PM)

listen just because it has shield in its name does not mean you need to ally with it

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:01 PM)

oh good lord

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:00 PM)

In fact, the Shield Hero series does not portray slavery as a good thing nor keep the initial slave characters down for the count.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:00 PM)

If you're referring to The Rising of the Shield Hero, the backlash from some Western fans is misaimed, IMO.

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 11:59 AM)

I wish I was more surprised that "slavery apologetics" is a thing. Still disgusted.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 11:53 AM)

But surely we all know the best isekai is Captain N.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 11:49 AM)

This morning I saw one of my friends express disbelief at having an opportunity to say "yet another slavery apologist isekai"

@  Lancer : (14 January 2019 - 11:21 AM)

Although recently they explicably acquire a harem by purchasing them as slaves, which makes it that much worse

@  Lancer : (14 January 2019 - 11:21 AM)

I think what people hate is the modern trend of isekai taking place in generic-ass fantasy settings with bland, oft-overpowered male protagonists that inexplicably acquire a harem.

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Does Kingdom Hearts count? On the one hand it's a serial world hopping adventure, on the other hand all the worlds are contained within the same overworld that the characters have always been in, just unaware of.


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#21 Maruten

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Posted 06 January 2019 - 07:00 PM

No, sometimes it's just a bad trailer or it's not indicative of the full product. Particularly with "TV" series. With a movie trailer, yeah, you're probably getting a fairly comprehensive picture of the movie. But there's a lot more room in a series to expand beyond what might be chosen to include in a trailer. 


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 08:04 PM

Here's what I took away from the trailer:

 

Carmen Sandiego is a member of V.I.L.E., an evil organization that trains thieves.

Someone is implicated as having died, and Carmen has a crisis of conscience

Decides to stop thieves from stealing stuff VILE wants by...stealing it herself.

 

Were I a parent looking into programming I'd be comfortable letting my child watch, that set up would already be a hard pass. Were I a fan of old Carmen Sandiego shows, this would still be a hard pass. Carmen Sandiego is not some Anti-Kim Possible. She's the bad guy.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 08:11 PM

No, sometimes it's just a bad trailer or it's not indicative of the full product. Particularly with "TV" series. With a movie trailer, yeah, you're probably getting a fairly comprehensive picture of the movie. But there's a lot more room in a series to expand beyond what might be chosen to include in a trailer. 

Anything could be more than it appears, but it's not possible to judge what has not been experienced yet, therefore we must judge by what we can see.  If it comes out and winds up being amazing, then opinions will likely change.

 

Until then, all we have is the trailer and advertised premise.  Telling people not to have a reaction to the promotional material based on hypothetical future revelations is pointless and obstructive.  Why bother having a thread about it and discussing it if we can't have an opinion at this point?

 

 

Carmen Sandiego is not some Anti-Kim Possible. She's the bad guy.

I could see making her an anti-hero, but not putting her in the spotlight.  Make her someone who is convinced that the world's most priceless artifacts are best kept in one place, that they're genuinely safer in her keeping and it would be an interesting interpretation.

 

But putting her in the spotlight takes away one of the most central aspects of Carmen Sandiego: The mystique.  Make her the mysterious entity that gets between the Player and VILE, but don't make her less mysterious.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 08:19 PM

The old 90's cartoon Carmen was not a bad guy she was an Antagonist. She had rules and morals. She's mostly about the thrill of the heist and getting away with it, then the crime itself. She sets up these elaborate heists wanting the heroes to try and stop her. She was against killing and the like. She is a professional almost along the lines of Captain Cold or Catwoman. Career Criminals that care about the job and getting it done clean, no mess no death, because they are not amaetures. But like Catwoman and Captain Cold she can be a protagonist, when there is a worst criminal then her out there. For all we know, by the end of this she's taken down the heads of VILE and taken it over herself, becuase she's already proven she can be the better theif.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 09:00 PM

Anything could be more than it appears, but it's not possible to judge what has not been experienced yet, therefore we must judge by what we can see.  If it comes out and winds up being amazing, then opinions will likely change.

 

Until then, all we have is the trailer and advertised premise.  Telling people not to have a reaction to the promotional material based on hypothetical future revelations is pointless and obstructive.  Why bother having a thread about it and discussing it if we can't have an opinion at this point?

 

Fair points. I just think it's worth acknowledging that there can be more to a show than its trailers and "trailer with no appeal" is not a guarantee of "show that gets everything wrong". But of course you're right that the trailer is out there to persuade you to watch, and if it doesn't convince you then you're entitled to check out and it has quite possibly failed at its job (though obviously "what the trailer should give us" is pretty subjective).


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 12:49 PM

*watches trailer*

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 02:35 PM

Book , Cover

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 02:44 PM

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 05:21 PM

This looks like the best Erin Esurance series.


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:39 PM

I am going to watch this with an open mind just like I did with the reboots of The Magic School Bus and She-Ra.  I don't think it's fair to judge a show on one single trailer.

 

Besides, Carmen's long-time secret partner, Waldo, told me to or else.



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Posted 11 January 2019 - 10:15 PM

I like it. It takes basically "Where on Earth..." Carmen and tweaks her morality just slightly more righteous than it was. She's still a thief. She's still stealing things.

 

She's just doing it to keep it out of the hands of other thieves. And like Shadewing said there's a real possibility this sets up for her eventual take over of VILE.

 

Sure she's the 'bad guy' but a lot of media involving her presents her as not always having been the bad guy. I'm down to watch that, or at least give it a shot. 


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