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@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM)

Either way, I'd stick to the definitions of the people who actually work in the field and know what they're talking about over incredibly loose unhelpful ones 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

Which fossils and genetic sequencing proved were quite different from wolves as we know them. Which is kind of the point, since while domesticated organisms changed genetically, so have their wild counterparts.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

I mean, even more extreme would be to ask if cows would turn back into aurochs. They'd go feral or exitinct, but they wouldn't revert.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Don't be ridiculous. The domesticated dog wasn't derived from the modern wolf. Both descended from a common ancestor

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Then they are still Geneticly modified. ;P I mean hell, in a lot of cases, there is very little difference between removing a gene and making it dormant. Anyways. Gotta run, stuff to do right now. Have fun.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:32 AM)

The ones that survived would be more wolf like, but they wouldn't be wolves. And in a lot of cases without human intervention most of the heavily modified animals and plants wouldn't survive a "few generations".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM)

Are you saying, given a few years (relativily speaking) of no humans, dogs will return to wolves?

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:30 AM)

Within a few generations without human intervention, the same traits resurface. because again, the genes aren't changed. Only the population.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:28 AM)

The genes for those traits are still present though. You're not manipulating the genotype, rather than the phenotype of the population.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:26 AM)

The fact that it's a more indirect method compared to, say, CRISPR is irrelevant.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Selective breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, since you're restricting or eliminating unfavored genetic patterns from being expressed in the target organisms.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

As it should be... People whine about GMO, but most of it is because they don't understand that biotech is usually just a faster way of doing the exact same thing thousands of years of crossbreading does.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

You can call it whatever you like, but again, that definition is so wide as to be worthless and few people would agree with the definition.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

The commonly accepted definition of "genetic modification" by the scientific community involves biotechnology and direct manipulation of genetic material

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:13 AM)

But.. While slower.. That's -exactly- what crossbreeding is.. Genetic modification.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:02 AM)

Which is patently ridiculous. They didn't modify the genetic makeup of these organisms; just manipulated the odds of traits deemed as favorable being expressed. 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 07:53 AM)

By that definition, literally everything that humans have domesticated is a GMO.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 07:44 AM)

Why? It's completely geneticly modified to be almost completely distinct from what a real banana is.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:52 AM)

By looser definitions of GMO. So loose as to be worthless pretty much.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 06:35 AM)

So.. All banannas that anyone eats.. organic or not.. is a GMO..

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 06:23 AM)

Aren't they usually called palatains? But yeah, the only reason those cultivars survive at all is because of humans.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

That said, there are still wild banana plants which do reproduce sexually. If you don't mind gigantic seeds in them.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

This makes them highly susceptible to disease due to the stagnant genetic pool and inability to adapt.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:15 AM)

The domesticated kind reproduced asexually, meaning that the ones present today have the genetics of the same banana plants circa whenever bananas were domesticated

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2019 - 04:53 AM)

Why would they be?

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 04:07 AM)

Shouldn't banana's be extinct now?

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:38 PM)

:p You leave my male harem alone.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 11:27 PM)

Yeah, but unfortunately, it was Fire Emblem Fates.

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Fire Emblem Fates didn't force the gay pairings to have kids, not even for adoption. Granted, there were only 2 canon gay/bi options amoungst a sea of hetero, but still.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:27 PM)

It pissed off more people than usual since when the game was getting hyped much was made that you could have your character be gay as the first of May, and also the fact that the achievement for that event in the DLC was called "Growing Up"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 10:19 PM)

Never played the game, but that works as well! Textbook mindless natalism.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:15 PM)

Huh, I figured you were talking about that Assassins Creed Oddessy DLC that forces your character to have a kid regardless of your choices, previous behaviour, or current situation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM)

Some context: I am bemoaning the fact that Modern Family is currently demonstrating why it should have already ended. Because not only it is making its annoying characters even worse, but Haley's storyline is taking her in a direction I hate.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:08 PM)

So when a lazy cop-out in the story happens, I'm going to object to the shoehorning.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM)

I think you misunderstand me. History is rife with instances wherein having children turned out not to be the right decision, and people with normal intelligence saw it coming. So people like myself find it infurating when television writers broadly pretend this doesn't happen.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:02 PM)

So it's not weird that it shows up in a lot of fiction. Since it shows up in a lot of nonfiction.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:01 PM)

But you know, like... the majority of people do it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:49 PM)

And no characters call out this course of action for the stupidity it is. Believe it or not, not everyone is cut out to have kids, and having children is not an extraordinary life accomplishment.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:48 PM)

Yup. Like writers knocking up a (usually female) character for no good reason, often when said character has not previously expressed the desire for children, or children would heavily set back their life plans, or the other biological parent is not a good relationship partner.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM)

I mean, there's more to it, and varying levels of related concepts and blah blah blah, but I'm not gonna go further in the shoutbox.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM)

It's the "everyone's gotta make babies" school of thought. It varies but in media it manifests as "all characters end up married with kids or dead". For contrast an anti-natalist concept would be China's One Child policy.

@  Locoman : (22 January 2019 - 06:28 PM)

.... pro-natalist?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Pro-natalist clichés in fiction are overrated. But no Hollywood writer can come up with new ideas. Argh.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 10:05 AM)

How does the giant gimmicky Bumblebee toy have such an incredible leg transformation compared to the MPM

@  lastmaximal : (22 January 2019 - 09:27 AM)

I mean it's Vigo. We are like the buzzing of flies to him.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 05:51 AM)

Perfectly. His talent is only surpassed by Tommy Wiseau

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2019 - 04:57 AM)

How well he can play them is another story.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 04:34 AM)

Blasphemy. Nicolas Cage can play anybody.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 03:34 AM)

I'm just glad we're in a timeline where Nicolas Cage was too busy to play Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. As much as I may like Cage, there was no way he could have done that and Viggo was infintely better for the part.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 02:30 AM)

I want to see the timeline where Nicolas Cage was cast as Iron Man


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#1 Paladin

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 05:18 PM

 

 

 

Artwork looks kinda like those "Esurance" commercials...


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 05:25 PM

I think I hear Paul Nakauchi as her sensei.  Sounds exactly like Hanzo (Overwatch).

 

I don't know about making her the heroine.  She's more interesting as an enigmatic thief.



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 06:07 PM

I like the design.

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 06:22 PM

I think I hear Paul Nakauchi as her sensei.  Sounds exactly like Hanzo (Overwatch).

 

I don't know about making her the heroine.  She's more interesting as an enigmatic thief.

 

While I agree, This sorta follows some of what we seen in the 90's animated series. There is was implied she used to be a good guy, before deciding heists were more fun; but even then was always good natured and Lupin-esque, having strong morals and helping the heroes (at least one time actually joining them to deal with a worse criminal). So It doesn't feel that far fetched from the Carmen of my childhood to be on the side of angels.


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 08:08 PM

Man I didn't expect call backs to both the gameshow and the cartoon in just the trailer!

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 08:39 PM

I'm a bit apprehensive but I'll give it a shot.

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:10 PM

The art style isn't gelling for me but the re-imaging is...intriguing.

 

Ironbite-it's totally Lupin the Third esk.


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 12:12 AM

I feel like there's probably more good guy in her than would be ideal, but it sure looks nice. I can't imagine it's going to reach the heights of She-Ra and Voltron but I'm keen to give it a crack.

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Posted 05 January 2019 - 09:19 AM

The seeming lack of the Acme Detective Agency is a bit disheartening, but it does have potential. I'm intrigued.

 

 

Artwork looks kinda like those "Esurance" commercials...

 

I was thinking more like Wild Kratts.


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 09:49 AM

Join those saying not sold on the idea of her being a hero. Carmen stood out in prior takes because she was a one of a kind genuine thief that few could match wits with.

 

She-Ra is kinda already doing the 'I was trained by the baddies, now I use those skills to defeat them' thing.



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Posted 05 January 2019 - 10:57 AM

It's not just specifically that Carmen Sandiego was the ultimate (well, for kid's morning show cartoons) enigma of a thief.

 

You'd think Netflix, who love themselves a moment that stands out from the crowd to sell a show, would totally keep a villain as the hero of her own show, or at least build on what the original cartoon did with it's protagonists. Making her stand out more in teaching them cunning or something.

 

Now she's just basically a heroine from all those YA spy novels from between the late 2000s and early 2010s.


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 02:37 PM

Eeeeh...no thanks. I honestly can't stand the art style. And it feels weird seeing Carmen's face so much, I dunno.



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Posted 06 January 2019 - 02:25 AM

Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego??

 

Right there.

 

She's right there the entire time.

 

You're watching her.

 

And you know everything about her.

 

It could still be a good show. Just not a good Carmen Sandiego show. This feels like one of those situations where they'd be better off just doing something original.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 01:05 PM

Lara Croft Sandiego. Known to her friends as Carmen.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 02:56 PM

If not for "Player" being her partner, I could see this working as a season-1 arc; have Carmen slowly "going dark," until she crosses some moral event horizon, then have the second season follow Player trying to catch/redeem her.

Then do a third season from Carmen's perspective, making sense of the enigmatic/sinister things she did in S2.

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Posted 06 January 2019 - 03:04 PM

Y'all overthinking subtle geography lessons for grade schoolers.

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Posted 06 January 2019 - 04:28 PM

Netflix not getting what a property or it's characters are about and bungling it when they try and do their own adaptation you say?

 

How completely unexpected!



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Posted 06 January 2019 - 05:15 PM

Too early to judge, chaps. One trailer does not a streaming animated series and/or robust understanding thereof make.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 06:01 PM



Y'all overthinking subtle geography lessons for grade schoolers.

 

We're on a website dedicated to shape changing robots and a dedicated sub-forum about talking equestrians.

 

Overthinking children's programming is what we DO.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 06:12 PM

Too early to judge, chaps. One trailer does not a streaming animated series and/or robust understanding thereof make.

 

The entire point of a trailer is to judge if you want to watch something.

I mean that's it. It's the opportunity for the creator or publisher to take all the good and appealing things in their product at the forfront and present an idealized view of their piece of media. If they fail at that then it's a good chance it's because that was the best they could do with what bad stuff they had to work with

 

I mean just about anytime there is a bad trailer for something people pull the "It's only a trailer you can't judge it" line but almost always it turns out it was a bad trailer because the thing it's a trailer for is bad


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