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@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM)

Either way, I'd stick to the definitions of the people who actually work in the field and know what they're talking about over incredibly loose unhelpful ones 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

Which fossils and genetic sequencing proved were quite different from wolves as we know them. Which is kind of the point, since while domesticated organisms changed genetically, so have their wild counterparts.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

I mean, even more extreme would be to ask if cows would turn back into aurochs. They'd go feral or exitinct, but they wouldn't revert.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Don't be ridiculous. The domesticated dog wasn't derived from the modern wolf. Both descended from a common ancestor

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Then they are still Geneticly modified. ;P I mean hell, in a lot of cases, there is very little difference between removing a gene and making it dormant. Anyways. Gotta run, stuff to do right now. Have fun.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:32 AM)

The ones that survived would be more wolf like, but they wouldn't be wolves. And in a lot of cases without human intervention most of the heavily modified animals and plants wouldn't survive a "few generations".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM)

Are you saying, given a few years (relativily speaking) of no humans, dogs will return to wolves?

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:30 AM)

Within a few generations without human intervention, the same traits resurface. because again, the genes aren't changed. Only the population.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:28 AM)

The genes for those traits are still present though. You're not manipulating the genotype, rather than the phenotype of the population.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:26 AM)

The fact that it's a more indirect method compared to, say, CRISPR is irrelevant.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Selective breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, since you're restricting or eliminating unfavored genetic patterns from being expressed in the target organisms.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

As it should be... People whine about GMO, but most of it is because they don't understand that biotech is usually just a faster way of doing the exact same thing thousands of years of crossbreading does.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

You can call it whatever you like, but again, that definition is so wide as to be worthless and few people would agree with the definition.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

The commonly accepted definition of "genetic modification" by the scientific community involves biotechnology and direct manipulation of genetic material

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:13 AM)

But.. While slower.. That's -exactly- what crossbreeding is.. Genetic modification.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:02 AM)

Which is patently ridiculous. They didn't modify the genetic makeup of these organisms; just manipulated the odds of traits deemed as favorable being expressed. 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 07:53 AM)

By that definition, literally everything that humans have domesticated is a GMO.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 07:44 AM)

Why? It's completely geneticly modified to be almost completely distinct from what a real banana is.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:52 AM)

By looser definitions of GMO. So loose as to be worthless pretty much.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 06:35 AM)

So.. All banannas that anyone eats.. organic or not.. is a GMO..

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 06:23 AM)

Aren't they usually called palatains? But yeah, the only reason those cultivars survive at all is because of humans.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

That said, there are still wild banana plants which do reproduce sexually. If you don't mind gigantic seeds in them.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

This makes them highly susceptible to disease due to the stagnant genetic pool and inability to adapt.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:15 AM)

The domesticated kind reproduced asexually, meaning that the ones present today have the genetics of the same banana plants circa whenever bananas were domesticated

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2019 - 04:53 AM)

Why would they be?

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 04:07 AM)

Shouldn't banana's be extinct now?

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:38 PM)

:p You leave my male harem alone.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 11:27 PM)

Yeah, but unfortunately, it was Fire Emblem Fates.

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Fire Emblem Fates didn't force the gay pairings to have kids, not even for adoption. Granted, there were only 2 canon gay/bi options amoungst a sea of hetero, but still.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:27 PM)

It pissed off more people than usual since when the game was getting hyped much was made that you could have your character be gay as the first of May, and also the fact that the achievement for that event in the DLC was called "Growing Up"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 10:19 PM)

Never played the game, but that works as well! Textbook mindless natalism.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:15 PM)

Huh, I figured you were talking about that Assassins Creed Oddessy DLC that forces your character to have a kid regardless of your choices, previous behaviour, or current situation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM)

Some context: I am bemoaning the fact that Modern Family is currently demonstrating why it should have already ended. Because not only it is making its annoying characters even worse, but Haley's storyline is taking her in a direction I hate.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:08 PM)

So when a lazy cop-out in the story happens, I'm going to object to the shoehorning.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM)

I think you misunderstand me. History is rife with instances wherein having children turned out not to be the right decision, and people with normal intelligence saw it coming. So people like myself find it infurating when television writers broadly pretend this doesn't happen.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:02 PM)

So it's not weird that it shows up in a lot of fiction. Since it shows up in a lot of nonfiction.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:01 PM)

But you know, like... the majority of people do it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:49 PM)

And no characters call out this course of action for the stupidity it is. Believe it or not, not everyone is cut out to have kids, and having children is not an extraordinary life accomplishment.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:48 PM)

Yup. Like writers knocking up a (usually female) character for no good reason, often when said character has not previously expressed the desire for children, or children would heavily set back their life plans, or the other biological parent is not a good relationship partner.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM)

I mean, there's more to it, and varying levels of related concepts and blah blah blah, but I'm not gonna go further in the shoutbox.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM)

It's the "everyone's gotta make babies" school of thought. It varies but in media it manifests as "all characters end up married with kids or dead". For contrast an anti-natalist concept would be China's One Child policy.

@  Locoman : (22 January 2019 - 06:28 PM)

.... pro-natalist?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Pro-natalist clichés in fiction are overrated. But no Hollywood writer can come up with new ideas. Argh.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 10:05 AM)

How does the giant gimmicky Bumblebee toy have such an incredible leg transformation compared to the MPM

@  lastmaximal : (22 January 2019 - 09:27 AM)

I mean it's Vigo. We are like the buzzing of flies to him.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 05:51 AM)

Perfectly. His talent is only surpassed by Tommy Wiseau

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2019 - 04:57 AM)

How well he can play them is another story.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 04:34 AM)

Blasphemy. Nicolas Cage can play anybody.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 03:34 AM)

I'm just glad we're in a timeline where Nicolas Cage was too busy to play Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. As much as I may like Cage, there was no way he could have done that and Viggo was infintely better for the part.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 02:30 AM)

I want to see the timeline where Nicolas Cage was cast as Iron Man


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#1 wonko the sane?

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 07:14 AM

Happy new year! And welcome back!

 

I've actually lost count of how many of these we've done, but we all know the drill at this point. The thread is dedicated towards helping each other achieve weight goals, exercise goals, change our lifestyles and eating habits in favour of healthier ones.

 

Welp, after reviewing the totals from last year, we WANTONLY overshot on the reps, and fell slightly short on miles. So, here's this year community goals:

 

-Miles; 5000

-Uppers: 50,000

-Lowers: 25,00

-Core: 25,000

 

And remember: the point isn't to meet the arbritary numbers assigned by some shmuck on the first of the year. The point is to change ourselves for the better.

 

I was actually going to take a 3.5 mile run on the elliptical this morning: but one of my plague bearer kin gave me a wicked cold. Every time I cough I feel like I'm going to rip out my lung valve assembly.



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Posted 01 January 2019 - 06:16 PM

Miles: 3.94
Uppers: 105
Lowers: 51
Core: 78
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Posted 01 January 2019 - 07:00 PM

5 mile walk today, tis the season of taking advantage of the non-freezing temps when they happen!

 

 

Miles: 3.94 + 5 = 8.94
Uppers: 105
Lowers: 51
Core: 78 



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Posted 02 January 2019 - 02:47 PM

I ran today for the first time since I starting having heart problems last fall. Yesterday was lower body

 

Miles: 8.94 + 2.76 = 11.7
Uppers: 105
Lowers: 51 + 203 = 254
Core: 78


Edited by Kup, 02 January 2019 - 02:47 PM.

"Someone once told me that Time is a predator that stalked us all our lives, but I'd rather believe that Time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment -- because they'll never come again."

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 02:53 AM

Nothing to contribute yet but, recording for posterity, it's Jan 3, 2019 and my weight is 154.2 lbs.

(Yes, I gained weight from the New Year's Eve buffet that I haven't lost yet. Darn it!).

With the Allspark Exercise Community as my witness, I will reach 135 lbs before 2020! It is my vision and it will not be in hindsight when eye attain said target then lose it! (and other eyeglasses related puns)

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 08:40 AM

Miles: 11.7
Uppers: 105
Lowers: 254
Core: 78 + 193 = 271
"Someone once told me that Time is a predator that stalked us all our lives, but I'd rather believe that Time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment -- because they'll never come again."

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 02:51 PM

So I haven’t ran since the first half of December. The temps are to cold for me to run first thing in the morning. By the time they are warming up my wife has to get ready for work so I’m on kid duty. On days of work I don’t have time after to go because I gotta get home before my wife leaves for work. Weekends are about it anymore it feels like and I work every other one. With a second kid arriving at the end of this month it’s going to be that much harder. I had 816 miles last year which was about 250 less than 2017. Hopefully I can find the time to get the miles back up.

Still motivated to run a half marathon this year. Just gotta get out and train.

Good luck to everybody and their goals this year. Really impressed with this group and how we have stayed after it from year to year and how we manage to pick up one or 2 new members every year.

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 04:20 PM

Miles: 11.7 + 1.45 = 13.15
Uppers: 105 + 150 = 255
Lowers: 254 + 78 = 332
Core: 271 + 33 = 304


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 10:43 AM

Miles: 13.15
Uppers: 255 + 70 = 325
Lowers: 332
Core: 304

Just doing pull ups again. Have to build myself up to being able to do 10 x5 different types so can attempt a one armed pull up again.

Hey, the Rock's Titan Games is out. If anyone is into American Gladiators.


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 08:45 PM

First mile swim of the year. It also just felt like an average Friday afternoon at the gym. Maybe the new year resolutionists are felt more during peak hours? (which I am fortunate enough to be able to avoid.)

 

 

Miles: 13.15 + 1 = 14.15
Uppers: 325
Lowers: 332
Core: 304



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 11:58 PM

Miles: 14.15 + 3.86 = 18.01
Uppers: 325 + 105 = 430
Lowers: 332 + 50 = 382
Core: 304 + 78 = 382
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Posted 06 January 2019 - 11:12 AM

Miles:  18.01 + 3.5 = 21.51
Uppers: 430
Lowers: 382
Core: 382

 

First run of the new year! I was gonna on the first, but of course I wound up catching an awful cold over christmas. Turns out one of the three brats worships nurgle.



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Posted 06 January 2019 - 11:48 AM

4 on the elliptical yesterday.

 

Miles:  21.51 + 4 = 25.51
Uppers: 430
Lowers: 382
Core: 382



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Posted 06 January 2019 - 08:46 PM

I didnt get a chance to update on Friday, but my son asked to workout with me. He did so good! He just turned 11, and I told him that if he keeps this up, by 16 hes gonna be ripped!

We did chest that day, and then lower body yesterday. I gave him today off, and I did some cardio with a stretch.

434 days in a row now! I dont have the body I want, but we moved our gym to our front porch (its enclosed with windows all around). I got hot power walking. So I took off my shirt. Take that small village onlookers, haha!

(My wife said its a good thing it was dark outside!)

Miles: 25.51 + 1 = 26.51
Uppers: 430 + 225 = 655
Lowers: 382 + 233 = 615
Core: 382

Edited by Kup, 06 January 2019 - 08:47 PM.

"Someone once told me that Time is a predator that stalked us all our lives, but I'd rather believe that Time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment -- because they'll never come again."

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Posted 06 January 2019 - 09:57 PM

It's good your kid wants to exercise with you. Get some good information and good habits into him NOW while it's still fairly easy to change his habits.



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Posted 07 January 2019 - 10:54 AM

Today was upper body. Going to have my son walk on the treadmill when he gets home from school (first day back for them finally).

I had an idea last night that Im going to try to do: walk for at least 10 minutes after a strength training workout. I also started tracking a new stat: total move calories burned (a stat my Apple Watch gives me). So far (not counting today, since I cant get the current days totals until the day is over): 4,497.

Miles: 26.51 + .57 = 27.08
Uppers: 655 + 280 = 935
Lowers: 615
Core: 382

Edited by Kup, 07 January 2019 - 10:54 AM.

"Someone once told me that Time is a predator that stalked us all our lives, but I'd rather believe that Time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment -- because they'll never come again."

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 11:35 AM

Miles:  27.08 + 3.5 = 30.58
Uppers:  935
Lowers: 615
Core: 382

 

Gonna need to throw some pushups and wall sits and squats or something into my routine eventually, I guess.



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Posted 08 January 2019 - 11:36 PM

A nice mile swim tonight.

 

 

Miles:  30.58 + 1 = 31.58
Uppers:  935
Lowers: 615
Core: 382



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Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:24 AM

Miles:  31.58 + 3.5 = 35.08
Uppers:  935
Lowers: 615
Core: 382

 

Forgot to add my miles from yesterday.



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Posted 09 January 2019 - 11:26 AM

Happy new year! And welcome back!

 

I've actually lost count of how many of these we've done, but we all know the drill at this point.

 

I think that we started the first one in 2012.


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