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@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers


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How does the Shroud effect Transwarp technology?

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#1 That One Guy

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 01:12 AM

One result of the Shroud was that the barriers between universes were strengthened, making inter-dimensional travel much more difficult. Convensional inter-dimensional travel is done via passing through transwarp space, the in-between of all the Multiverse. Access to transwarp space is a vital aspect in most continuities for travel, usually by space bridges or transwarp themed tech. With the established strengthening in universal walls, however, would transwarp space itself become less accessible? Would technology like space bridges, warp gates, and transwarp drives still be effective, or rendered obsolete?

Now is where I focus solely on the Beast Era.

By the time of the Beast Era, the Maximal Imperium is implied to have a handful of colonies under it's control, hence the name Imperium, and these are likely maintained via transwarp tech, because trying to establish an interplanetary empire without cheats tends to be very, very difficult. If transwarp tech is rendered useless, then Cybertron (and any other transwarp using civilizations) is left isolated, cut off from her colonies, effectively shattering the entire Maximal Imperium and whatever holdings the Predacon Alliance may have. The ramifications of this could also lead to a total breakdown in galactic affairs, with trade shrinking massively and any other civilizations using transwarp space regularly totally collapsing. If this truly is the case, then I may have to rework the story I'm writing, because the colonial front and intergalactic relations are key aspects in the narrative.

Edited by That ONE Guy, 31 December 2018 - 01:18 AM.


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 01:35 AM

I doubt there was any intent in the concept of the Shroud of it impacting the ordinary means of space travel within a single universe. 



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Posted 31 December 2018 - 02:00 AM

Or you could completely ignore it.

 

 

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#4 That One Guy

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 02:30 AM

Or you could completely ignore it.
 
 
M "It's A Perfectly Viable Option" Sipher

Honestly what I probably would/am going to do.

I doubt there was any intent in the concept of the Shroud of it impacting the ordinary means of space travel within a single universe. 

Well, I suppose that Kils the conversation.

*ba dum tshhhhh*

Okay I'll leave now.

Edited by That ONE Guy, 31 December 2018 - 11:32 AM.


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 07:39 AM

From what little I honestly know of it, the out of universe reason for the Shroud was just to allow individual continuities to do their own thing - or maybe just internally rationalize the fact that they never stopped doing so. In that spirit, I think you could very well be justified in treating its effects in a given universe as precisely whatever they need to be for a given story, though it does seem to be retroactive (creating separate histories for singularities that precede it etc.) rather than an event that begins at a given point in that universe's time.
Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 07:51 AM

Correct. Transwarp, innerspace, micro-cosmic realities, Swindle's pocket dimensions, and things that exist within a given universe are unaffected.

The Shroud was a way to return things back the way they were before Club fiction got crazy with all that stuff. Since, well, no one else would likely take up the Multiversal rules as Forrest Lee and the old Hasbro guard laid it out for us. It had been three brand teams since then and IDW were already doing different things than the mainstream cartoons and movies, so it seemed best to take everything back to zero and let other writers tackle the multiverse (if they even want too, it's gotten to be a tad weathered and worn) without worrying about things that were increasingly becoming a challenge to keep interwoven.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 08:23 AM

There is so much about Transformers that is fun and interesting and even well-written.

Why not focus on that?

You are obviously a good writer with an analytical mind. But you seem to start a lot of threads about abstract plot devices that have never made sense and that most people have deliberately ignored for years (or decades). There's just never going to be a deep discussion about that.

Ask questions about stuff people actually liked.

Edited by Thylacine 2000, 31 December 2018 - 08:32 AM.


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 08:26 AM

Let's not forget that Animated Swindle quite honestly has an entire transwarp-filled dimension inside his tummy whose space-time barriers he can willingly transcend by simply pulling open his chest drawer and reaching his hand or small-enough objects into and out of it.
 
I'm not so sure how the Shroud would effect this:
 
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Would it just lock up his chest from ever being easily-opened again?


Transwarp isn't impacted at all.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:01 AM

I really don't think there's anything wrong with the guy asking questions about things he's curious about. There's no need to shout him down.



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Posted 31 December 2018 - 11:08 AM

Transwarp technology in the Beast Era was for mere space travel and time travel within its own universe. The Shroud made travel between each individual separate universe more difficult.

 

A person locked in a large spacious room is still free to move about the different areas of that room. Or less frighteningly, ordinary human beings may not be able to leave the gravitational confines of the planet Earth and venture out into outer space via their own power and will, but they can still traverse to different places on the planet Earth itself.


Edited by Sabrblade, 31 December 2018 - 11:08 AM.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 11:39 AM

Alrighty, that should do it. Thanks to all involved, including Thylacine 2000. He's blunt and to the point, which I can respect. Anywho, I'm off to continue work on that story and get my tea together (I think I've left it steeping just a wee bit too long now).

Edited by That ONE Guy, 31 December 2018 - 11:44 AM.




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