117 replies to this topic

[Zodberg]

In Superman 1 and 2 how come General Zod spoke solid english, barring his misunderstanding of Houston/Earth? For Kal El it makes sense he speaks English as he was raised in Smallville. For the Krypton scenes with Jor El it makes sense those are translated, but Dru Zod breaks out of the P.Zone and can intuitively chat it up with Luthor. And how come Darksyde annoys people when we all accept that Darkseid is Anti-Life? Really Darksyde is a bit silly but come on people, Cheetor.

[LV!]

I have a lot less problem with "Darksyde" as a name and a lot more with the fact that it validates this fandom's sometimes-astonishing inability to recognize that sometimes things aren't literal.

Edited by LV!, 26 January 2019 - 10:39 AM.

[Sabrblade]

I have a lot less problem with "Darksyde" as a name and a lot more with the fact that it validates this fandom's sometimes-astonishing inability to recognize that sometimes things aren't literal.

That I can sympathize with. Like when the comic that came with Legends LG-EX Greatshot turned the character, who was originally his own person according to his 1989 toy's bio card, into just an upgraded Sixshot. That retcon created validation for a misconception (conceived by an audience that existed outside of the Japanese G1 shows' sphere of influence, no less) that never should have existed in the first place.

[Jim S]

Gosh, having multiple different interpretations of the same toy must be tough.

[SHIELD Agent 47]

The point here, though, is that there should not be multiple interpretations within a single continuity. That straight up makes no sense. IMHO

[Jim S]

"Single continuity"

[Creedence]

Wasn't Greatshot being Sixshot Japanese fanon?

[Jenny]

Probably

[Cradok]

 

I'm generally not a fan of ex post facto naming of things, and less so if I think that it's a dumb or inappropriate name. Or if it's conflating the thing with something else that it wasn't intended to be associated with in the first place. So I dislike Brigadoon for the reasons Kil mentioned, Darksyde because it's very very dumb, and stuff like Playback for the Paradron guy or Archforce for Straxus!Megatron because I think they should be separate characters.

Honest question: how do you feel about the Nemesis?

 

 

Hah, a good question. I'm mostly okay with it, it's not a name that's been co-opted from something else, it's a name that fits very well, it doesn't come about from some weird fandom thing, and the fact that it was named before I got back into Transformers with RiD2001 tricks my brain into it having more 'legitimacy' than it might otherwise have. Likewise, I've mostly got no issue with the names of Victory and Revenge. I fully accept the need to give unnamed things names, I'm just squirrely about how it's done.

[Copper Bezel]

I don't think the Flying Island was unnamed given it was the Flying Island, but I suppose you could say the same for the Deception Ship.

It's always bothered me that the Nemesis is so very ... self aware in its name, but that doesn't make it out of place (none of these particularly are.)

[Sabrblade]

I still find it funny that both the American and Japanese Beast Wars creators came up with the exact same name for their respective series' final trump card vessel by sheer coincidence.

 

Like, if the Decepticon ship hadn't been nameless until 1999, you'd think the BWII Nemesis would have been named after the G1 Nemesis, but BWII used the name first. Before any Western TF media ever used the name for anything.

[▲ndrusi]

Yeah, your average new fan would never guess which one was the Nemesis Prime.

/flees

[SHIELD Agent 47]

I'm still waiting for an Animated-style Nemesis to be named in-universe in homage to the Terrakor leader Nemesis.

[Jenny]

 

 

I'm generally not a fan of ex post facto naming of things, and less so if I think that it's a dumb or inappropriate name. Or if it's conflating the thing with something else that it wasn't intended to be associated with in the first place. So I dislike Brigadoon for the reasons Kil mentioned, Darksyde because it's very very dumb, and stuff like Playback for the Paradron guy or Archforce for Straxus!Megatron because I think they should be separate characters.

Honest question: how do you feel about the Nemesis?

 

 

Hah, a good question. I'm mostly okay with it, it's not a name that's been co-opted from something else, it's a name that fits very well, it doesn't come about from some weird fandom thing, and the fact that it was named before I got back into Transformers with RiD2001 tricks my brain into it having more 'legitimacy' than it might otherwise have. Likewise, I've mostly got no issue with the names of Victory and Revenge. I fully accept the need to give unnamed things names, I'm just squirrely about how it's done.

 

Fair enough!

[SHIELD Agent 47]

What if humans advanced to the technological potential of converting Earth into a transforming spaceworthy mecha? Like Functionist Primus and Antillan Unicron.

[repowers]

 

I'm generally not a fan of ex post facto naming of things, and less so if I think that it's a dumb or inappropriate name. Or if it's conflating the thing with something else that it wasn't intended to be associated with in the first place. So I dislike Brigadoon for the reasons Kil mentioned, Darksyde because it's very very dumb, and stuff like Playback for the Paradron guy or Archforce for Straxus!Megatron because I think they should be separate characters.

Honest question: how do you feel about the Nemesis?

 

 

It's a great name!

 

I mean, people name ships. Especially military ships. Like, we can imagine that when the ship was constructed, the dudes who built it gave it a name, and other people would use that name for reference because it's the best shorthand possible. And since it's a big bad scary huge ship, something dark and menacing seems like a name they would give it.

 

But the flying island? Nobody in the story was naming landforms! The Vok only talked about "Nexus Zero" and "the experiment".  The Maximals and Predacons only talked about subsectors** and coordinates.  Nobody named the waterfall that the Axalon was perched over, or the lava field where the Pred ship crashed, or the flying mountain, or the field with the standing stones, or any other place that recurred within the story and would have been important to the characters.

 

And if they didn't give names to those important places, why would they give a proper name to a thing that was only in their lives for like, a couple of hours before it got smashed to bits? That's the real rub for me: it makes no sense in the story that ANYONE would have given the thing a name at all, without us hearing it used on-screen.

 

** Actually they did give funny code names to the subsectors. Maybe in that context, the location of the flying island's remains might make sense: Subsector Brigadoon. 

Edited by repowers, 02 February 2019 - 04:52 PM.

[Zodberg]

What if humans advanced to the technological potential of converting Earth into a transforming spaceworthy mecha? Like Functionist Primus and Antillan Unicron.

Then we shall rename this Earth, and it will be Gobotron!

[Sabrblade]

 

What if humans advanced to the technological potential of converting Earth into a transforming spaceworthy mecha? Like Functionist Primus and Antillan Unicron.

Then we shall rename this Earth, and it will be Gobotron!

And it will be ours and it will be our Gobotron!