Jump to content


Toggle shoutbox Squawkbox Open the Shoutbox in a popup

Please don't post Youtube videos in the chat box. The forums software auto embeds them. 

@  Sjogre : (16 November 2019 - 10:46 PM)

Okay, that actually sounds pretty fun.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 12:49 PM)

It was set in the forties, featured Nazi's as the villains and had Kiko fight mostly Ice Age animals and a mythical dragon that now ruled the island guarding Kongs treasure.

@  Paladin : (15 November 2019 - 11:37 AM)

and it was ALSO eleven hours long.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 10:55 AM)

In a alternate reality Peter Jackson made Son of Kong.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

To be fair to boba: everyone else to go into the sarlacc was a sacrifice. Stripped almost naked and tossed, and didn't have body armor, a jetpack and a weapon.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 November 2019 - 06:54 AM)

Nah, he just has to keep up his plot insurance payments so he can shoot his way out of the Sarlacc again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 November 2019 - 02:59 AM)

Funny, but everyone knows he bounty hunts for Jabba Hutt to finance his 'Vette.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 November 2019 - 02:54 AM)

Okay.. Not sure why.. but streaming is harder than jsut playing the game.. even though that's pretty much what I was doing.

@  Xellos : (14 November 2019 - 06:47 PM)

What type of vehicle does Boba Fett use for time travel? A Man-DeLorean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a walk-in clinic, as I tend not to get sick (and the one time I do every 4-5 years, I prefer just riding it out at home), but the last time I went I'm pretty sure you could just show up, no appointment. It may be different in Quebec,though

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.


Photo
- - - - -

The Vok, Swarm, and Earth: What the hell happened?

Vok Earth Humanity Swarm Beast Era G2 Wings Universe Marvel

117 replies to this topic

#81 Thylacine 2000

Thylacine 2000

    Charismatic Megafauna

  • Citizen
  • 16871 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New York

Posted 25 January 2019 - 07:39 AM

I retrospectively hate "Brigadoon" just because the BWU book is full of author-intentist noncanon falsehoods and I no longer believe we should have legitimized anything new printed in it.

#82 LV!

LV!

    A tendency to speak in jest

  • Citizen
  • 17735 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Bus

Posted 25 January 2019 - 07:56 AM

I mean, it's not like the in-universe explanation for Hound and Bumblebee's names is that they're named after the actual Earth animals.

 

Wait, isn't that literally the only in-universe explanation we've ever had for a Bumblebee's name?



#83 Jenny

Jenny
  • Citizen
  • 22961 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Faction::Maximal

Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:01 AM

Emirate Xaaron


 

staring dog stares

doggie_zpsafvtedef.png


#84 Jenny

Jenny
  • Citizen
  • 22961 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Faction::Maximal

Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:10 AM

I'm generally not a fan of ex post facto naming of things, and less so if I think that it's a dumb or inappropriate name. Or if it's conflating the thing with something else that it wasn't intended to be associated with in the first place. So I dislike Brigadoon for the reasons Kil mentioned, Darksyde because it's very very dumb, and stuff like Playback for the Paradron guy or Archforce for Straxus!Megatron because I think they should be separate characters.

Honest question: how do you feel about the Nemesis?


 

staring dog stares

doggie_zpsafvtedef.png


#85 NotVeryKnightly

NotVeryKnightly
  • Staff
  • 22902 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:here and there
  • Faction::Free Agent

Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:15 AM

I mean, it's not like the in-universe explanation for Hound and Bumblebee's names is that they're named after the actual Earth animals.

 
Wait, isn't that literally the only in-universe explanation we've ever had for a Bumblebee's name?


If you mean Animated, Sentinel (most likely) didn't know what Earth lifeforms were like at the time, so I assume he meant a similar alien bug instead.

I'm not sure how much of a stretch that is, but it's still less bizarre to think about than "random assortment of syllables that came from a musical in the '40s".

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 25 January 2019 - 09:19 AM.


#86 NightViper

NightViper

    Ehhhhh...

  • Retired Staff
  • 42418 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::RIBFIR

Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:17 AM

Doesn't Charlie name him after the Earth critter in the new movie?

I... *cough* I haven't seen it yet. But I thought I saw that clip online in one of the trailers/sizzlers.



#87 Creedence

Creedence

    borf borf

  • Citizen
  • 9139 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:35 AM

I forget though, didn't the "Predacon Ship" that came with 10th Megatron get a sticker applied to the box that covered over "Darksyde"?

It was misspelled as "Preadcon Ship" so they had to use a sticker to cover it.

Edited by Creedence, 25 January 2019 - 09:36 AM.


#88 ▲ndrusi

▲ndrusi

    Praise be to Stakeout.

  • Supporter
  • 26943 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:YES TOWN
  • Faction::Autobot

Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:36 AM

Yeah, Bumblebee's name definitely comes from Charlie in the movie.

#89 Fear or Courage

Fear or Courage

    Do I compel you?

  • Citizen
  • 2135 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:GTA, Canada
  • Faction::Autobot

Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:37 AM

Wow, I didn't think me calling the thing by its Wiki Name would cause, like, three pages of discourse. My stance on it was just "that's the only time it's ever been named in anything, so better that than no name."

 

Re: Earth after the great war, I had a big, complicated headcanon in Personal Canon Theatre, that the Maximal Elders deliberately deleted and obfuscated its existence, and the fact that the Ark had been buried there as a way to avoid people stealing Transwarp ships and doing what Megatron eventually did. Note that when Depth Charge flies there in the future, it's also marked as a restricted zone of travel. 



#90 LV!

LV!

    A tendency to speak in jest

  • Citizen
  • 17735 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Bus

Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:46 AM

I didn't remember that we know that people get their names from boot camp in Animated (what are they called before that?) but I was talking about Bee Movie, yeah. Where Charlie says he reminds her of a bumblebee even though he sounds nothing like one.

(Much like the floating island Brigadoon is nothing like a disappearing Scottish village.)

#91 NightViper

NightViper

    Ehhhhh...

  • Retired Staff
  • 42418 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::RIBFIR

Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:06 AM

Yeah even though there are in-fiction instances of Transformers names being derived from Earth words, the overwhelming majority of names that are Earth words are never explained. They're there, they reflect the meaning of the Earth word enough for us to understand the reference and that's as far as they need to go.

Brigadoon being a mythical island is no less stupid than Orthia being a Greek goddess. Or Hound being an Earth animal. Or even Ratchet being an Earth handtool.

How it got named Brigadoon though is silly and doesn't seem like something that the actual fiction should be beholden to... and of course I'll say the same thing about AVP and the obscure Club stuff that named things. Anything that's a retcon name needs a ginormous asterisk, IMO.

#92 Jenny

Jenny
  • Citizen
  • 22961 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Faction::Maximal

Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:09 AM

How it got named Brigadoon though is silly and doesn't seem like something that the actual fiction should be beholden to... and of course I'll say the same thing about AVP and the obscure Club stuff that named things. Anything that's a retcon name needs a ginormous asterisk, IMO.

That I absolutely agree with


 

staring dog stares

doggie_zpsafvtedef.png


#93 Jim S

Jim S

    Evil Genius

  • Citizen
  • 1794 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Quadwal -3760.925 Theta
  • Faction::Unicron's Spawn

Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:10 AM

"Ark" is a common noun that means "box" (e.g. Ark of the Covenant), so you can just pretend that the in-universe name is a Cybertronian common noun that also means "box".

I mean, it's not like the in-universe explanation for Hound and Bumblebee's names is that they're named after the actual Earth animals.

The trouble is, once you open the Pandora's box that is etymology there's no closing it. I mean, there are the obvious cases like Jazz, which refers to a very specific thing. But even something innocuous like Hot Rod has its own complicated etymological history rooted in specific parts of Earth history.

https://en.m.wikiped...t_rod#etymology

But let's deconstruct an even more innocuous name: Huffer. One who huffs, or maybe, one who is often in a huff. But huff is a 16th century onomatopoeia for heavy breathing, which evolved into a word for annoyance. How would THAT have any cultural relevance for a bunch of robots?

Basically if you pull on any (or at least a significant fraction) of these threads they quickly unravel. I think you have to assume that whatever translation algorithms they're using are incredibly fuzzy and/or sophisticated and move from there.

Edited by Jim S, 25 January 2019 - 10:12 AM.


#94 ▲ndrusi

▲ndrusi

    Praise be to Stakeout.

  • Supporter
  • 26943 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:YES TOWN
  • Faction::Autobot

Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:30 AM

This just reminds me of my personal theory that Roadbuster and Trailbreaker actually have the same name in Cybertronian.

#95 Kil

Kil
  • Supporter
  • 9690 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Haven, CT, USA

Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:31 AM

Brigadoon isn't a bad name for the flying island because it comes from a piece of Earth culture. That is the source of tons of names in TF fiction, it often doesn't make actual logical sense, and that's fine with me. 

 

It's a bad name because it's not thematically appropriate. 


Edited by Kil, 25 January 2019 - 11:31 AM.


#96 Broadside

Broadside

    SHARK PET DOG! SHARK PET DOG!

  • Staff
  • 11023 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:England
  • Faction::Cannonball's Pirate Crew

Posted 25 January 2019 - 12:59 PM

I love Darksyde because it's not a bad name, and because it's got such an absurd origin. It's stupid as hell and that's what makes it great.

3nAcIwa.png


#97 NightViper

NightViper

    Ehhhhh...

  • Retired Staff
  • 42418 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::RIBFIR

Posted 25 January 2019 - 01:11 PM

There is a charm to the series of events from the BotCon/DVD pack-in comic and the episode.

MEGS: "Don't name the ship we're stealing."
TERRY: "But I already did. It's the Dar--"
MEGS: "We're never going to call it that."

*First chance Terrorsaur gets to use it, he curls himself dramatically and booms his voice to intimidate Cheetor*

TERRY: "Welcome. To the Darksyde."

*Terrorsaur gets thromped multiple times. No one ever uses the name ever again.*

Edited by NightViper, 25 January 2019 - 01:15 PM.


#98 LV!

LV!

    A tendency to speak in jest

  • Citizen
  • 17735 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Bus

Posted 25 January 2019 - 01:47 PM

While we're bitching about names, can I just complain that somehow we were left with the part of a Bee Movie draft that made him "B-127" in a movie that demonstrated that everybody else on the planet already had names? Was he a slave?



#99 Copper Bezel

Copper Bezel

    Off Model.

  • Supporter
  • 50338 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Web Exclusive!
  • Faction::Equestrian

Posted 25 January 2019 - 02:33 PM

It was so they could have Charlie name him, and have that name not be what he had before. Everyone else having unexplained names makes it worse, but that's why it's in the movie. 

 

In any case, yes, all retroactive naming is stupid and should be treated as secondary even when the name provided in the actual source material actually being discussed is "the flying island". 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#100 repowers

repowers

    I AM THE ONE OF GOOD!!!

  • Citizen
  • 1363 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portland, Oregon. They promised me giant robot battles. I don't see any giant robot battles.

Posted 25 January 2019 - 05:39 PM

My thing with retroactive naming is that if you watch the shows, you'd never know what someone means if they talk about Brigadoon or Darksyde or the Ark*. Using those names is less descriptive in the context of the primary source material.

 

But if they talk about the flying island or the Predacon ship/Predacon base or Autobot Headquarters, you'll know exactly what they're talking about. 

 

 

*for the G1 cartoon, not BW


repowers @ TFWiki.net

Robert is made to withstand plenty of play, and transforms from car to robot! Go, Robert, go!

Why will we solve after Robert grasps the abysmal winter's ulcer? He may change rural tailors, do you join them? The films, tapes, and spoons are all good and fresh.



Reply to this topic



  



Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: Vok, Earth, Humanity, Swarm, Beast Era, G2, Wings Universe, Marvel

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users