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@  Maximus Ambus : (14 July 2020 - 12:25 AM)

Han shot first. Plain and simple.

@  -LittleAutob... : (13 July 2020 - 06:21 PM)

\(-_-)

@  Bass X0 : (13 July 2020 - 05:26 PM)

"Here's a little---whatever. A little thing. A disclosure. An insight. Revisionism---I've always been fascinated by it. By the idea of a writer going back and altering things. Make no mistake: an edit is a profoundly aggressive act. As Froid once said, we grieve for the murdered word. If you want to get the measure of an author, don't look at what they've left on the page.... look at what they've taken away." -- Rung (MTMTE #28)

@  Verno : (11 July 2020 - 11:20 PM)

2021: :idea :rolleyes :p :D

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:20 PM)

Perfection. :thumbsup

@  Patch : (11 July 2020 - 06:17 PM)

My plans:  :hmm  2020:  :)

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Our plans for 2020 were as amazing as Optimus Prime. But then 2020 came like Hot Rod.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 05:50 PM)

Indeed....

@  Bass X0 : (11 July 2020 - 05:40 PM)

"He who dies with the most toys wins."

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:11 PM)

Hey you, get moving, it's not too far, you're looking good so come as you are. Hey you, you never know what you'll see, when it's through that door with the 73.

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:10 PM)

Hey you, get ready, get on your feet. Get into gear and hit the street.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 12:46 PM)

I recall number 73 (old british show) discussing the Transformers movie and had the presenters trying to transform a few figures, one argued his deflated beach ball was a Transformer too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (11 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

And he's a big ball, but he's not the biggest ball of them all. (That'll be Pulse Unicron.)

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 07:37 AM)

Trypticon so scared my Primus figure he turned into a ball.

@  ▲ndrusi : (09 July 2020 - 09:56 PM)

King Nine, however, will not return.

@  Bass X0 : (09 July 2020 - 05:05 PM)

Bass_X0 will return after these messages ^^^

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 July 2020 - 03:37 PM)

WHATAMIFIGHTINGFOOOOOOOOARRGH

@  -LittleAutob... : (09 July 2020 - 02:06 PM)

Okay?

@  Otaku : (09 July 2020 - 07:47 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk Ah, but the series itself has pronounced "Bass" both ways. ;)  Oh, 90s English Capcom video game voice acting...

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 July 2020 - 03:14 AM)

Looking at my Titan Returns collection I can see they realised they didn't have to paint the Titan Masters after wave one, lazy bums.

@  Maruten : (08 July 2020 - 09:13 PM)

No, I'm going with "fish".

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 July 2020 - 04:19 PM)

He stated that it's in reference to the Mega Man character, so it follows the series' tradition of music names.

@  Cybersnark : (08 July 2020 - 03:59 PM)

The real question is if it's "bass" as in music or "bass" as in the fish.

@  Otaku : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Well, at least now I know how to pronounce @Bass X0 's screen name. ^^'  Rather, I think I'd just forgotten.  In my defense, it really does look like an emoticon or maybe just "decoration", which is what a lot of folks add to their screen names online.  Usually because someone has the name they really want. XD

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Extremely unimpressed with your idea that someone making a negative observation you don't like means they "got triggered."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (08 July 2020 - 11:16 AM)

You know somebody asked "And this would be in relation to... what exactly?"

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Its because someone got triggered over my random musings instead of just ignoring them. If I read one of your comments that is of no relevance or interest to me, I don't feel the need to say so.

@  -LittleAutob... : (08 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

All this over someone's username lol

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 08:34 AM)

Bazro.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (08 July 2020 - 06:34 AM)

It could be Bass 10-0

@  Nevermore : (08 July 2020 - 06:11 AM)

How do you pronounce yourself? "Bass Ex-O" or "Bass Ex-Zero"?

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 03:23 AM)

I did almost go with Vile Bass X0, because Vile is cool too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 July 2020 - 08:34 PM)

Bossk Saw

@  ▲ndrusi : (07 July 2020 - 04:16 PM)

Bass XD

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 03:43 PM)

And its not Bass XO, its Bass X0, as in Bass, X and Zero from the Mega Man series.

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:33 PM)

@Trpodeca :( :(

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Thats what a gray rock is? Then I'm not one.

@  Trpodeca : (07 July 2020 - 02:12 PM)

Man I just learnt about what seemed like a really cool show, only to realize it was a dream and it dosen't really exist.

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 01:02 PM)

Just something I read that I wanted to share. I heard "gray rock" mentioned in a video, so I looked it up and that was the definition.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 July 2020 - 12:20 PM)

It's a fancy way of saying "Ignore annoying people".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (07 July 2020 - 12:15 PM)

Bass XO has a habit of pasting random drivel here as if doing so were profound.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 July 2020 - 11:30 AM)

And this would be in relation to... what exactly?

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 11:25 AM)

"One strategy for dealing with a narcissist or sociopath is to act like a "gray rock," meaning that you become uninteresting and unresponsive. You don't feed their needs for drama or attention. You don't show emotion, say anything interesting, or disclose any personal information"

@  Nevermore : (06 July 2020 - 07:23 PM)

Oh wow. Studio Series Offroad Bumblebee is awesome. His articulation is amazing.

@  -LittleAutob... : (06 July 2020 - 11:18 AM)

Oof-

@  Maximus Ambus : (05 July 2020 - 01:10 AM)

I got Studio Series 39 Cogman yesterday and woke up to find he'd decapitated my titans returns figures.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 July 2020 - 10:19 PM)

If I had a sarcasm powered mouth.. ooohh waaaiiittt...

@  -LittleAutob... : (04 July 2020 - 05:01 PM)

Heh

@  Bass X0 : (04 July 2020 - 02:56 PM)

"If I had sarcasm-powered legs, I'd do a happy dance...!"

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 July 2020 - 02:39 PM)

The real clones were the friends we made along the way.


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#81 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 07:39 AM

I retrospectively hate "Brigadoon" just because the BWU book is full of author-intentist noncanon falsehoods and I no longer believe we should have legitimized anything new printed in it.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 07:56 AM

I mean, it's not like the in-universe explanation for Hound and Bumblebee's names is that they're named after the actual Earth animals.

 

Wait, isn't that literally the only in-universe explanation we've ever had for a Bumblebee's name?



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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:01 AM

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:10 AM

I'm generally not a fan of ex post facto naming of things, and less so if I think that it's a dumb or inappropriate name. Or if it's conflating the thing with something else that it wasn't intended to be associated with in the first place. So I dislike Brigadoon for the reasons Kil mentioned, Darksyde because it's very very dumb, and stuff like Playback for the Paradron guy or Archforce for Straxus!Megatron because I think they should be separate characters.

Honest question: how do you feel about the Nemesis?



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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:15 AM

I mean, it's not like the in-universe explanation for Hound and Bumblebee's names is that they're named after the actual Earth animals.

 
Wait, isn't that literally the only in-universe explanation we've ever had for a Bumblebee's name?


If you mean Animated, Sentinel (most likely) didn't know what Earth lifeforms were like at the time, so I assume he meant a similar alien bug instead.

I'm not sure how much of a stretch that is, but it's still less bizarre to think about than "random assortment of syllables that came from a musical in the '40s".

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 25 January 2019 - 09:19 AM.


#86 NightViper

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:17 AM

Doesn't Charlie name him after the Earth critter in the new movie?

I... *cough* I haven't seen it yet. But I thought I saw that clip online in one of the trailers/sizzlers.



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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:35 AM

I forget though, didn't the "Predacon Ship" that came with 10th Megatron get a sticker applied to the box that covered over "Darksyde"?

It was misspelled as "Preadcon Ship" so they had to use a sticker to cover it.

Edited by Creedence, 25 January 2019 - 09:36 AM.


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:36 AM

Yeah, Bumblebee's name definitely comes from Charlie in the movie.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:37 AM

Wow, I didn't think me calling the thing by its Wiki Name would cause, like, three pages of discourse. My stance on it was just "that's the only time it's ever been named in anything, so better that than no name."

 

Re: Earth after the great war, I had a big, complicated headcanon in Personal Canon Theatre, that the Maximal Elders deliberately deleted and obfuscated its existence, and the fact that the Ark had been buried there as a way to avoid people stealing Transwarp ships and doing what Megatron eventually did. Note that when Depth Charge flies there in the future, it's also marked as a restricted zone of travel. 



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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:46 AM

I didn't remember that we know that people get their names from boot camp in Animated (what are they called before that?) but I was talking about Bee Movie, yeah. Where Charlie says he reminds her of a bumblebee even though he sounds nothing like one.

(Much like the floating island Brigadoon is nothing like a disappearing Scottish village.)

#91 NightViper

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:06 AM

Yeah even though there are in-fiction instances of Transformers names being derived from Earth words, the overwhelming majority of names that are Earth words are never explained. They're there, they reflect the meaning of the Earth word enough for us to understand the reference and that's as far as they need to go.

Brigadoon being a mythical island is no less stupid than Orthia being a Greek goddess. Or Hound being an Earth animal. Or even Ratchet being an Earth handtool.

How it got named Brigadoon though is silly and doesn't seem like something that the actual fiction should be beholden to... and of course I'll say the same thing about AVP and the obscure Club stuff that named things. Anything that's a retcon name needs a ginormous asterisk, IMO.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:09 AM

How it got named Brigadoon though is silly and doesn't seem like something that the actual fiction should be beholden to... and of course I'll say the same thing about AVP and the obscure Club stuff that named things. Anything that's a retcon name needs a ginormous asterisk, IMO.

That I absolutely agree with



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Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:10 AM

"Ark" is a common noun that means "box" (e.g. Ark of the Covenant), so you can just pretend that the in-universe name is a Cybertronian common noun that also means "box".

I mean, it's not like the in-universe explanation for Hound and Bumblebee's names is that they're named after the actual Earth animals.

The trouble is, once you open the Pandora's box that is etymology there's no closing it. I mean, there are the obvious cases like Jazz, which refers to a very specific thing. But even something innocuous like Hot Rod has its own complicated etymological history rooted in specific parts of Earth history.

https://en.m.wikiped...t_rod#etymology

But let's deconstruct an even more innocuous name: Huffer. One who huffs, or maybe, one who is often in a huff. But huff is a 16th century onomatopoeia for heavy breathing, which evolved into a word for annoyance. How would THAT have any cultural relevance for a bunch of robots?

Basically if you pull on any (or at least a significant fraction) of these threads they quickly unravel. I think you have to assume that whatever translation algorithms they're using are incredibly fuzzy and/or sophisticated and move from there.

Edited by Jim S, 25 January 2019 - 10:12 AM.


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:30 AM

This just reminds me of my personal theory that Roadbuster and Trailbreaker actually have the same name in Cybertronian.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:31 AM

Brigadoon isn't a bad name for the flying island because it comes from a piece of Earth culture. That is the source of tons of names in TF fiction, it often doesn't make actual logical sense, and that's fine with me. 

 

It's a bad name because it's not thematically appropriate. 


Edited by Kil, 25 January 2019 - 11:31 AM.


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 12:59 PM

I love Darksyde because it's not a bad name, and because it's got such an absurd origin. It's stupid as hell and that's what makes it great.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 01:11 PM

There is a charm to the series of events from the BotCon/DVD pack-in comic and the episode.

MEGS: "Don't name the ship we're stealing."
TERRY: "But I already did. It's the Dar--"
MEGS: "We're never going to call it that."

*First chance Terrorsaur gets to use it, he curls himself dramatically and booms his voice to intimidate Cheetor*

TERRY: "Welcome. To the Darksyde."

*Terrorsaur gets thromped multiple times. No one ever uses the name ever again.*

Edited by NightViper, 25 January 2019 - 01:15 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 01:47 PM

While we're bitching about names, can I just complain that somehow we were left with the part of a Bee Movie draft that made him "B-127" in a movie that demonstrated that everybody else on the planet already had names? Was he a slave?



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Posted 25 January 2019 - 02:33 PM

It was so they could have Charlie name him, and have that name not be what he had before. Everyone else having unexplained names makes it worse, but that's why it's in the movie. 

 

In any case, yes, all retroactive naming is stupid and should be treated as secondary even when the name provided in the actual source material actually being discussed is "the flying island". 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 05:39 PM

My thing with retroactive naming is that if you watch the shows, you'd never know what someone means if they talk about Brigadoon or Darksyde or the Ark*. Using those names is less descriptive in the context of the primary source material.

 

But if they talk about the flying island or the Predacon ship/Predacon base or Autobot Headquarters, you'll know exactly what they're talking about. 

 

 

*for the G1 cartoon, not BW


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