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@  Paladin : (25 January 2021 - 09:44 PM)

death comes for us all. what difference does it make how?

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 January 2021 - 06:26 PM)

It's only murder and that is all, why should I feel the way I do...

@  Rufus : (25 January 2021 - 01:37 PM)

It's only murder if it comes from the Murder region of France, otherwise it's just suspiciously deceased.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 January 2021 - 09:17 AM)

It's only murder if they find the body, otherwise it's just a missing persons case.

@  Telly : (24 January 2021 - 02:31 AM)

so light yagami is a BAD role model? but ive already got a death note...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 January 2021 - 11:43 PM)

Do you always model proper behavior after anime characters?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2021 - 06:34 PM)

Don't forget Yu-Gi-Oh and the Millennium items.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2021 - 02:51 PM)

There was a five season anime with wearing relics as the premise.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 January 2021 - 01:16 PM)

You don't wear relics, you enshrine them.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2021 - 06:23 PM)

Wrong holey... and probably the wrong way to dress too.

@  Rycochet : (22 January 2021 - 06:09 PM)

If your underwear is old and holy, it is considered a relic and should be protected with your life.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2021 - 02:04 PM)

That's the argument we keep making: but I still need to wait till feb 8th minimum to replace my holey underwear.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2021 - 01:57 PM)

Personally I'm glad Ontario wasn't so misguided as to try to define what is or isn't "essential" for big box stores like Walmart to sell. If someone is stuck at home literally for weeks and unable to go out, who's to say a new TV or game console isn't essential (if only for one's sanity) if theirs breaks down?

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2021 - 01:55 PM)

Although fortunately, Ontario's daily cases and positivity rate has been on a steady decline for the past week or so; if they can get the vaccinations back on track, there is some hope.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2021 - 01:53 PM)

And as far as Canada's lockdowns go, I'm guessing none of them will end until late March, or perhaps the beginning of April. What small businesses that might be left at that point will be allowed to open for their going out of business sales.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2021 - 01:52 PM)

Unfortunately the CEO of Target Canada made more money by running the company into the ground than he ever would have had he made it a success, so there was zero incentive to succeed.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 January 2021 - 01:51 PM)

Target made some serious mistakes when they came into Canada. They focused on opening like 150+ stores within a 2 year timeframe and had no online infrastructure whatsoever; their website literally only contained legal blurbs and a store locator... lacking even the ability to see what they sold in stores, or if it was in stock and, if so, where. They should have started with 1/3 the number of stores with a full online experience including online shopping and inventory checking

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2021 - 12:35 PM)

See; quebec is under a new lockdown, have been since the 26th. It's supposed to end the 8th of february, but probably won't. Stores are only supposed to sell necessities (in deference to the stores which are closed.), but the quebec government made no effort define what counts as a "necessity", only punished them for getting it wrong. So I can buy all the candy I want, but not underwear, boots, winterwear, small appliances. Hell, my brother had to explain why he wanted a FUSE when he needed to fix his stove shortly before new years.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2021 - 12:31 PM)

Targets don't exist in canada anymore. They lasted like 3 years before abandoning the market. But even if they WERE still here: they would be under the same poorly defined restrictions as walmart.

@  -LittleAutob... : (22 January 2021 - 12:10 PM)

Target's better-

@  wonko the sane? : (22 January 2021 - 07:51 AM)

HA! my walmarts can't even sell underwear. There's no clearances going on up here.

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 January 2021 - 11:31 PM)

Check your Walmarts: Post-Christmas clearances are going on and I snagged Need For Speed Hot Pursuit Remastered for Switch for only $5 (YMMV)

@  ZakuConvoy : (21 January 2021 - 03:15 PM)

*walks out on stage* Umm, I don't know how to tell everyone this, but Conway Twitty's been dead for nearly 30 years, now. So...*dances awkwardly as distraction*

@  tigerhawk : (21 January 2021 - 10:47 AM)

uh oh we need a distraction, ladies and gentlemen Conway Twitty.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 January 2021 - 10:20 AM)

*screaming internally*

@  -LittleAutob... : (21 January 2021 - 09:46 AM)

Everything is f i n e

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 January 2021 - 08:30 AM)

Everything's okay until it isn't. That's life.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 January 2021 - 08:12 AM)

Oh my god... I forgot entirely about yellowstone.

@  tigerhawk : (21 January 2021 - 03:32 AM)

Until the third civil war. Or yellowstone, whatever's good.

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2021 - 06:01 PM)

That's not true. An adult man is in control of the White House now.

@  repowers : (19 January 2021 - 03:18 PM)

Everything's out of control.

@  -LittleAutob... : (19 January 2021 - 09:51 AM)

*cough* w h a t?

@  Donocropolis : (19 January 2021 - 09:48 AM)

Cause your friends don't dance, and if they don't dance they ain't no friends of mine

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 January 2021 - 08:52 AM)

You could leave your friends behind.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (18 January 2021 - 09:43 PM)

You could if you really wanted to.

@  -LittleAutob... : (18 January 2021 - 01:35 PM)

Nadie puede decir algo diferente >:D

@  -LittleAutob... : (18 January 2021 - 01:35 PM)

......... all wounds heal through God. *walks off*

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 January 2021 - 01:01 PM)

Let me know when the WEAPONs wake up.

@  tigerhawk : (18 January 2021 - 05:18 AM)

Or is the wound the Earth healing.

@  unluckiness : (18 January 2021 - 03:32 AM)

Healing is just destroying the wound

@  PlutoniumBoss : (17 January 2021 - 06:08 PM)

But eventually destroys everything.

@  tigerhawk : (17 January 2021 - 05:03 PM)

Heals many wounds

@  PlutoniumBoss : (17 January 2021 - 02:03 PM)

Time.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2021 - 07:53 AM)

I dunno, maybe. I'm not clairvoyant either...

@  Nevermore : (17 January 2021 - 04:30 AM)

Covid?

@  wonko the sane? : (16 January 2021 - 09:50 PM)

At this point, if I'm going to die then it won't be the wait what killed me. It didn't help any, mind you, but it's not what got me.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 January 2021 - 09:37 PM)

Technically we are all literally dying to play with our next figure.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 January 2021 - 05:36 PM)

I am figuratively dying to play with that cheetor.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 January 2021 - 04:39 PM)

Still waiting for my box from BBTS to arrive.

@  tigerhawk : (16 January 2021 - 04:29 PM)

Kingdoms is fantabulous and it's only the first wave.


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The Vok, Swarm, and Earth: What the hell happened?

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#21 Sabrblade

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Posted 02 January 2019 - 07:15 PM

My interpretation of the Season 1 Vok events was that they seeded the planet with energon and built the standing stones for some undisclosed reason. Then when the Maximals investigated the standing stones, their fight with the Predacons set off the signal that brought forth the alien pod that absorbed Optimus Primal to study him, for the purpose of enabling the Vok to learn about these new unforeseen elements that had come to the planet.

 

In response to the discovery of the Maximals' and Predacons' presence on the planet, the Vok then created the flying island as a sanctuary for the foreign newcomers to reside (as Tigatron put it) "in peace," still near the planet but physically separated from it so that these foreign objects could still be around while being taken out of the experiment's territory.

 

However, though the island was perfectly equipped both to sustain the Maximals and Predacons and to forcefully keep them in check with the obelisk's swift and decisive form of discipline, the Vok hadn't anticipated the Predacons' (specifically Blackarachnia's) craftiness and ambition, which led to the island being turned from a safe haven into a weapon of mass destruction. With Tigatron forced to reluctantly destroy the paradise that he had so wished to maintain, the last bout of power in the obelisk sent its final signal back to the Vok, alerting them of the island's destruction at the hands of those it was made for.

 

Understandably, the Vok didn't take kindly to what they perceived as having been a gift given out of mercy and generosity being practically thrown in the trash by its recipients, and concluded that these intruders were no longer worth saving, for they had not only rejected the Vok's hospitable gift but their conflict had done enough damage to the Vok's experiment for them to deem it unsalvageable. Thus, they decided to wipe the slate clean, putting an end to their failed experiment and those whose cancerous interference had ruined it.


Edited by Sabrblade, 03 January 2019 - 11:38 PM.

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Posted 02 January 2019 - 07:43 PM

So essentially, the Vok are petty and capricious gods concerned with the offering of boons and the meting out of punishments? That's probably the most self-consistent interpretation, I guess. Destroying the planet still has nothing to do with ending an experiment, and is a pure wrath-of-God scenario. The Vok can't not understand that the Transformers came from somewhere and didn't just naturally develop on the planet somehow; if the interference of Transformers in their games was something they wished to prevent, it would be very silly to think that destroying this handful of them would help them to that end. Meanwhile, if the planet was no good to them after the Transformers had "tainted" it, it ... still wouldn't have been any good to them destroyed, either. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 02 January 2019 - 08:12 PM

But then the Vok sent Tigerhawk to prevent Megatron from blowing up Earth and damaging the timestream which the Vok were trying to do 20 episodes earlier.

They had also said "Cybertron" in a s1 episode. They knew from the beginning.

Edited by Thylacine 2000, 02 January 2019 - 08:12 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2019 - 08:27 PM

Looking back over the show, the Unicron visage used the word "project" and later does say, "The experiment will be sterilized."

 

 

Later, the Vok themselves state "The experiment has been terminated," in Tigerhawk's debut episode.

 

 

 

So from their perspective, there was some sort of project going on with the planet ("Nexus Earth" as they term it) from their end.

 

Though, here's a thought. We know that the Maximals and Predacons were under the impression that the alien superweapon was intended to destroy the planet in a chain reaction that would rip it apart, but... what if that's simply what they believed, but wasn't actually what the Vok were intending to do? What if the weapon, in its aim to "sterilize" the planet, was instead merely supposed to kill all lifeforms on the planet's surface, keeping the dead planet intact so that it may once more restart its natural evolution? A sort of Project: Genesis type scenario, albeit more ruthless in its methods (superheating the planet to ignite its energon deposits).


Edited by Sabrblade, 02 January 2019 - 08:29 PM.

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 02 January 2019 - 11:32 PM

Turning every established character - including Sentinel - into an unreliable narrator causes more problems than it solves.

In "Other Victories" the Vok seemed surprised that there could have been a disruption in the time flow of Earth, as they believed they had already destroyed it. So... maybe they had some "clean" way of destroying the planet but they were mad Megatron picked it up on the streets, as it were?

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Posted 02 January 2019 - 11:53 PM

Or, here's a really crazy, nutty idea. :wtf

 

Supposing that the Axalon and Darksyde did both officially crash-land in Africa, and that the Ark crashed in the northwest United States, what if, just what if, the two ships actually crash-landed on Earth before the Ark and Nemesis did? As in, the Ark and Nemesis came down where they did, far off away from Africa, beyond the detection ranges of the Axalon and Darksyde*, around the time of, say, "Coming of the Fuzors" in early season 2, after the Vok's planetary weapon was destroyed at the end of season 1. Meaning that, if the Vok were truly planning on blowing up the planet, they would have done so at a time before the Ark would have been on the planet to be blown up along with it. And the Ark not yet being on the planet during Season 1 would also give Megatron less of an incentive to seek it out, tying into his more laid-back motivations in Season 1 compared to his more driven ambitions in Season 2 onward. And once the characters would realize that they were on Earth after all, the two ancient ships would have arrived just in time for Megatron and Tarantulas to go looking for them.

 

 

* -- After all, several stasis pods went down at the end of season 1 in far off places beyond the detection ranges of the two ships, hence Tigatron and Airazor leaving to go off looking for them. The characters knew of these pods because of those that were detectable by their ships went down at the end of Season 1, so it would stand for them to reason that all other pods that they couldn't track went down as well.


Edited by Sabrblade, 02 January 2019 - 11:53 PM.

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 12:24 AM

Wow, ha! Thylacine was not wrong about how many more contradictions you can create in the effort to fix contradictions.

 

I don't really want to encourage more of this, but I can't help saying - you see how similar to removing the principal actors in a sequence of events, removing the planet, or the surface thereof, where those events were meant to take place might also alter the outcome of those events, right? x ]


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 03 January 2019 - 10:01 AM

Looking back over the show, the Unicron visage used the word "project" and later does say, "The experiment will be sterilized."

Later, the Vok themselves state "The experiment has been terminated," in Tigerhawk's debut episode.

"Sterilized" and "terminated" aren't necessarily the same thing.

Maybe it goes like this:

Plan 1: vaguely-defined experiment involving energon, puzzles, and a Golden Disk.
*complication: Cybertronians detected, puzzle island destroyed, control disk removed*

Plan 2: sterilize planet and start over.
*complication: planet-buster destroyed*

This is unexpected, and now the Vok (possibly a different "administrative" faction of the Vok) take another look at what's happening on Earth and implement a new project (thus terminating the original now-irreparable project).

Plan 3: Collect specimens (Tigatron & Airrazor), deploy Metal Hunter to do _____*.
*complication: Metal Hunter hacked by Megatron using the stolen control disk and almost immediately destroyed*

Plan 4: Deploy Emissary to eliminate Megatron directly to put out this out-of-control fire.
*complication: control of Emissary lost, Emissary goes rogue*

Somehow things manage to work out despite these attempts at recovery; the (important) Cybertronians either destroy themselves or go home, and the Vok can reclaim a mostly-undamaged Earth.

(* Fans have long speculated that the Transmetal driver [referred to by the Vok as a datasphere] came from the Metal Hunter. If so, it might hint at the Hunter's original mission; to reformat the Cybertronians on the planet into a form more compatible with Vok technology, allowing them to regain control directly. For that matter, maybe the Hunter was intended to be a receiving platform and/or base for the Emissary the Vok were already intending to create [using the specimens collected earlier], but things escalated before the Emissary could be deployed [at which point the Emissary Project was reoriented into creating a killing machine].)

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 10:16 AM

TL;DR -- The Vok were inconsistent in their portrayal during the show. Given how vague everything around them is it certainly possible to come up with innovative and interesting theories to try and patch these inconsistencies, but you're not going to find a simple and intuitively correct Unified Vok Theory. Much more likely you'll just further muddy the waters.

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 10:49 PM

As a general rule, coming up with a Unified Theory of anything specific in TFs is gonna be an exercise in exceptions. There's too much of it, and too much "fundamental" stuff was written at a time when internal consistency was NOT a priority. Sometimes, you just gotta shrug and blame quantum.

 

 

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 11:55 PM

But it's FUN to go full Pepe Silvia sometimes.

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 05:54 AM

The real Vok was the friends we made along the way

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 07:15 AM

Sorry to necro, but I just had a 3 AM thought regarding the Vok wanting to torch the planet despite the Ark being there: We have no idea when in Earth's history they planted their tests, Energon and Planet Buster, so it's entirely possible that they planted them long before the Ark ever crashed there, they went away, and the Ark crashed in the interim, not setting off any of those tests, so they never knew it arrived, and only came back to Earth when the Beast Warriors tripped some of those tests. That timeline makes it more plausible that they simply didn't realize it was present.



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Posted 23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM

Yeah that does make a lot of sense. The groundfall of the Axalon and Predacon ship didn't trigger anything. It wasn't until he Maximals and Predacons started poking everything that a signal was finally sent.

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 10:17 AM

Yeah that does make a lot of sense. The groundfall of the Axalon and Predacon ship didn't trigger anything. It wasn't until he Maximals and Predacons started poking everything that a signal was finally sent.

Case in point, the events of "Chain of Command" at the Standing Stones.

 

And that also fits with how the Vok-controlled Tigerhawk never got to be told about Megatron possessing the original Megatron's spark, yet showed concern towards Tarantulas's plan to destroy the Ark.


Edited by Sabrblade, 23 January 2019 - 10:19 AM.

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Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 12:18 PM

The Vok aren't omniscient or really uh ... even ordinary levels of scient, really, particularly for a planet they both control and apparently know and depend on the already established future of. But it's still a random about-face for them to create their "experiment" and then suddenly become aware that they remember its future history. They're safely in the category of "incredibly stupid highly advanced super-intelligence" no matter how you slice it.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 12:48 PM

I figured that because Space is Big, the Vok couldn't exactly keep regular tabs on Earth, and only knew what was going on when a) One of their tests sent out a signal, or b) one of them physically came there and checked. With that in mind, here's the timeline of events from their perspective, as I see it.

 

1) The Vok set their stuff up, providing Energon as a clean power source, their various tests to both analyze and direct the sentient race that'll eventually evolve there, and the Planet Buster in case it goes south. They then leave the planet alone, and wait until their tests are tripped.

 

2) The Ark and Nemesis crashland. None of their tests are tripped, so they never notice

 

3) At a time when early Humans are confined to a valley, the Beast Warriors from the future land. A few weeks later, they trip the alarm at the Standing Stones, which was designed to detect when anything local became interested in the Energon. The Vok send a probe to have a look at what tripped it up, anticipating the start of the active phase of the experiment.

 

4) They realize it's something that shouldn't be there, a foreign element. While they figure out what to do, said foreign element commandeers and destroys Brigadoon island, an environment that was meant to encourage the natives to be peaceful, and/or breed out violence.

 

5) The Vok send an observer from Nexus Zero to scientifically double-check the facts, make contact with the locals, and confirm that an advanced species is mucking about the planet, contaminating the experiment. However, Optimus and Airazor both a) don't know they've time-travelled, and b) don't know the Ark is there, so neither does the observing Vok who makes contact with them both. He does, however, learn they're stranded there.

 

6) The great danger is that the natives may stumble across the advanced technology of these invaders before they're ready for it, so said observer opts to torch the place, setting off the Planet Buster and leaving, writing off the experiment and closing the case, never checking that it succeeded. Call it arrogance.

 

7) A few months later, Tigatron and Airazor trip another Vok trap, and get warped to Nexus Zero. The Vok realize that the Planet Buster was destroyed, and decide to take the more nuanced approach of sending the Metal Hunter to specifically destroy the Transformers. Once again, they don't actually check that it worked. They, once again, close the book on the matter.

 

8) Megatron causes the time storm.

 

9) Awhile later, a pair of Vok detect said time storm, and realize, for the third time, their attempt to shut the whole thing down failed, and finally take a more direct approach: Travelling there themselves in a commandeered, enhanced Transformer body, specifically to kill Megatron, the one, they've learned from their different interactions with the Maximals, is the biggest troublemaker. They finally learn about the Ark, but it's too little, too late, and the two Vok wind up dead.

 

10) Having suffered a loss of both lives and hardware to the failed experiment, the Vok prepare another response...but realize the Maximals and Predacons packed up and left of their own regard. Humiliated and humbled, the Vok skulk away, and leave the Earth to develop naturally.


Edited by Fear or Courage, 23 January 2019 - 12:51 PM.


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 06:22 AM

Brigadoon island

 

*blinks* I'm sorry?



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 08:45 AM

An apt name, after Google searching the term.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:02 AM

 

Brigadoon island

 

*blinks* I'm sorry?

 

 

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Brigadoon


Edited by Fear or Courage, 24 January 2019 - 09:03 AM.




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