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@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM)

Either way, I'd stick to the definitions of the people who actually work in the field and know what they're talking about over incredibly loose unhelpful ones 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

Which fossils and genetic sequencing proved were quite different from wolves as we know them. Which is kind of the point, since while domesticated organisms changed genetically, so have their wild counterparts.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

I mean, even more extreme would be to ask if cows would turn back into aurochs. They'd go feral or exitinct, but they wouldn't revert.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Don't be ridiculous. The domesticated dog wasn't derived from the modern wolf. Both descended from a common ancestor

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Then they are still Geneticly modified. ;P I mean hell, in a lot of cases, there is very little difference between removing a gene and making it dormant. Anyways. Gotta run, stuff to do right now. Have fun.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:32 AM)

The ones that survived would be more wolf like, but they wouldn't be wolves. And in a lot of cases without human intervention most of the heavily modified animals and plants wouldn't survive a "few generations".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM)

Are you saying, given a few years (relativily speaking) of no humans, dogs will return to wolves?

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:30 AM)

Within a few generations without human intervention, the same traits resurface. because again, the genes aren't changed. Only the population.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:28 AM)

The genes for those traits are still present though. You're not manipulating the genotype, rather than the phenotype of the population.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:26 AM)

The fact that it's a more indirect method compared to, say, CRISPR is irrelevant.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Selective breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, since you're restricting or eliminating unfavored genetic patterns from being expressed in the target organisms.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

As it should be... People whine about GMO, but most of it is because they don't understand that biotech is usually just a faster way of doing the exact same thing thousands of years of crossbreading does.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

You can call it whatever you like, but again, that definition is so wide as to be worthless and few people would agree with the definition.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

The commonly accepted definition of "genetic modification" by the scientific community involves biotechnology and direct manipulation of genetic material

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:13 AM)

But.. While slower.. That's -exactly- what crossbreeding is.. Genetic modification.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:02 AM)

Which is patently ridiculous. They didn't modify the genetic makeup of these organisms; just manipulated the odds of traits deemed as favorable being expressed. 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 07:53 AM)

By that definition, literally everything that humans have domesticated is a GMO.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 07:44 AM)

Why? It's completely geneticly modified to be almost completely distinct from what a real banana is.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:52 AM)

By looser definitions of GMO. So loose as to be worthless pretty much.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 06:35 AM)

So.. All banannas that anyone eats.. organic or not.. is a GMO..

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 06:23 AM)

Aren't they usually called palatains? But yeah, the only reason those cultivars survive at all is because of humans.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

That said, there are still wild banana plants which do reproduce sexually. If you don't mind gigantic seeds in them.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

This makes them highly susceptible to disease due to the stagnant genetic pool and inability to adapt.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:15 AM)

The domesticated kind reproduced asexually, meaning that the ones present today have the genetics of the same banana plants circa whenever bananas were domesticated

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2019 - 04:53 AM)

Why would they be?

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 04:07 AM)

Shouldn't banana's be extinct now?

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:38 PM)

:p You leave my male harem alone.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 11:27 PM)

Yeah, but unfortunately, it was Fire Emblem Fates.

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Fire Emblem Fates didn't force the gay pairings to have kids, not even for adoption. Granted, there were only 2 canon gay/bi options amoungst a sea of hetero, but still.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:27 PM)

It pissed off more people than usual since when the game was getting hyped much was made that you could have your character be gay as the first of May, and also the fact that the achievement for that event in the DLC was called "Growing Up"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 10:19 PM)

Never played the game, but that works as well! Textbook mindless natalism.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:15 PM)

Huh, I figured you were talking about that Assassins Creed Oddessy DLC that forces your character to have a kid regardless of your choices, previous behaviour, or current situation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM)

Some context: I am bemoaning the fact that Modern Family is currently demonstrating why it should have already ended. Because not only it is making its annoying characters even worse, but Haley's storyline is taking her in a direction I hate.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:08 PM)

So when a lazy cop-out in the story happens, I'm going to object to the shoehorning.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM)

I think you misunderstand me. History is rife with instances wherein having children turned out not to be the right decision, and people with normal intelligence saw it coming. So people like myself find it infurating when television writers broadly pretend this doesn't happen.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:02 PM)

So it's not weird that it shows up in a lot of fiction. Since it shows up in a lot of nonfiction.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:01 PM)

But you know, like... the majority of people do it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:49 PM)

And no characters call out this course of action for the stupidity it is. Believe it or not, not everyone is cut out to have kids, and having children is not an extraordinary life accomplishment.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:48 PM)

Yup. Like writers knocking up a (usually female) character for no good reason, often when said character has not previously expressed the desire for children, or children would heavily set back their life plans, or the other biological parent is not a good relationship partner.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM)

I mean, there's more to it, and varying levels of related concepts and blah blah blah, but I'm not gonna go further in the shoutbox.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM)

It's the "everyone's gotta make babies" school of thought. It varies but in media it manifests as "all characters end up married with kids or dead". For contrast an anti-natalist concept would be China's One Child policy.

@  Locoman : (22 January 2019 - 06:28 PM)

.... pro-natalist?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Pro-natalist clichés in fiction are overrated. But no Hollywood writer can come up with new ideas. Argh.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 10:05 AM)

How does the giant gimmicky Bumblebee toy have such an incredible leg transformation compared to the MPM

@  lastmaximal : (22 January 2019 - 09:27 AM)

I mean it's Vigo. We are like the buzzing of flies to him.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 05:51 AM)

Perfectly. His talent is only surpassed by Tommy Wiseau

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2019 - 04:57 AM)

How well he can play them is another story.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 04:34 AM)

Blasphemy. Nicolas Cage can play anybody.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 03:34 AM)

I'm just glad we're in a timeline where Nicolas Cage was too busy to play Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. As much as I may like Cage, there was no way he could have done that and Viggo was infintely better for the part.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 02:30 AM)

I want to see the timeline where Nicolas Cage was cast as Iron Man


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#1 Paladin

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 10:45 AM

 

 

can't POSSIBLY end up worse than the two MIB sequels they already made.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 10:49 AM

....I'm kinda for this.

 

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 11:05 AM

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 11:05 AM

I liked it the cast is great


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 11:05 AM

Very good cast.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 02:44 PM

Good cast, looks funny...but it won't be the same.

 

Then again, the animated series made it four years without the actors from the movies, so we'll see.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 04:11 PM

 

 

can't POSSIBLY end up worse than the two MIB sequels they already made.

 

I liked 3.  It didn't stand up to the awe and spectacle of the first, but I think its sentimentality made up for it to a certain degree, and Josh Brolin as a younger K was brilliant.

 

This looks fun.  Closer in tone to the first, which is a good thing.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 04:17 PM

I'm always happy to see this delightful universe revisited. Can't wait. 


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 06:42 PM

 

 

 

can't POSSIBLY end up worse than the two MIB sequels they already made.

 

I liked 3.  It didn't stand up to the awe and spectacle of the first, but I think its sentimentality made up for it to a certain degree, and Josh Brolin as a younger K was brilliant.

 

This looks fun.  Closer in tone to the first, which is a good thing.

 

 

Yeah, Three is a really good movie. It's not great, the first one is certainly better, but as you say the third movie puts a lot more heart into it and effort. Its not the blatant cash grab that 2 was, they had a story they wanted to tell. Sure that story was pretty much Austin Powers 2 with aliens, but it still was really well done and a lot better then I expected it to be. I feel this is at least going to be on its level, becuase I think they learned how not to do this series with 2, and the fact that we got Chris Hemsworth in there makes me optimistic, the guy is awesome when it comes to this kinda comedy.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 07:12 PM

Watched the trailer and honestly, it feels a complete let down, it says to me they are trying to hard to recreate the original formila, again, I think this is likely to suck it didn't make me laugh once in the trailer, it feels like it a soul draining film but then I never liked MIB3 or MIB2, simply because they just wreck the status quo, thou out of the sequels, MIB2 is superior to MIB3! I felt Agent Jay is not given the chance to really stand on his own and maybe mentor someone else because they want Agent K back in to try and recreate the formila that made the first movie a sucess.

 

In general, I think this film is destined to be nothing but trash, it feels like they forgot a large chunk of the comedy or using jokes that just aren't funny!


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 08:46 PM

You got all that from a movie trailer?
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Posted 20 December 2018 - 08:52 PM

It was a trailer. Shockingly, it revealed little about the plot.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 11:55 PM

I actually enjoyed MIB3.... agree the second one was pretty awful, though.

 

This one looks pretty fun, and a great cast. Tessa Thompson is charming; it's always good to see her in something new.



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Posted 21 December 2018 - 04:30 AM

So we have 2 asgardians and a jedi in this film. I dont see how some mere aliens are going to be much of a threat :p
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Posted 21 December 2018 - 05:49 AM

MiB2 was so awful that I never saw MiB3. MiB: International hasn't wowed me into seeing it, either.


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Posted 21 December 2018 - 06:41 PM

While the first one is the tops (from the story, to the actors, to the scope and the really fun ideas...and of course that dang theme song *proceeds to do the dance*)...I liked 2, and I loved the sentimentality of 3 (not necessarily the ret-cons)...this one isn't doing it for me...but I hope to be pleasantly surprised.


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Posted 22 December 2018 - 04:39 AM

Man, I loved that game. A lot of good stuff came out of that first movie. As long as this new one manages "better than #2" I'll be pretty happy. I don't know if a movie has ever disappointed me as much as MIB2. I expected so much.

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 10:47 AM

I'm fine with this as long as we get another Adelaide Productions' "Men in Black: The Series".


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Posted 08 January 2019 - 04:19 PM

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