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@  ZakuConvoy : (20 January 2019 - 07:42 PM)

His one shots and two or three parters are great. But...Dark Age got a little long in the tooth. Not bad, but not my favorite.

@  ZakuConvoy : (20 January 2019 - 07:40 PM)

For me, it's less the delay, and more that Astro City is always best in smaller chunks. The longer story arcs (which is what the OGNs sound like they're aiming for), while not bad, are far from the high points of the series.

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:52 AM)

The recent ongoing series didn't start until what, 2013?

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:51 AM)

Then was continued as a five-issue mini-series ("Local Heroes"), then came a 16-issue maxi-series ("The Dark Age"), plus a couple of standalone specials and two-parters...

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:50 AM)

It started out as a series, but due to Busiek's health problems (?), it was put on hold after six issues, then got relaunched with a new #1, had several delays (again because of Busiek's health issues), was discontinued after #22...

@  Nevermore : (20 January 2019 - 07:49 AM)

I don't get why people are making such a big deal out of Astro City becoming a series of graphic novels now. I mean, it's not like it's always been a steady ongoing series.

@  Nevermore : (17 January 2019 - 08:19 PM)

I'm also only reading the trades. So I'm still missing... two volumes that are currently only available as hardcovers? Three?

@  Trpodeca : (17 January 2019 - 06:22 PM)

Astro City is great. Since I only read the trades, there probably won't be a big change for me.

@  ZakuConvoy : (17 January 2019 - 05:34 PM)

I have. Great series. Hopefully the transition to OGNs will be a smooth one.

@  Nevermore : (17 January 2019 - 07:20 AM)

Anyone here reading Kurt Busiek's Astro City?

@  Verity Carlo : (16 January 2019 - 01:12 PM)

https://sites.google...ations---part-1awwwww shit

@  Benbot : (16 January 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Remember the Noid? He steals pizzas!

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2019 - 10:47 AM)

That said, the old "Nester" character from Nintendo Power IS owned by Nintendo, and I could see a homage in there

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2019 - 10:46 AM)

Because technically DiC created the character, Nintendo does not own him.

@  Paladin : (16 January 2019 - 10:28 AM)

sidebar- why is "Captain N" not in Smash yet? that seems like such an easy option.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 January 2019 - 09:18 AM)

The 90's mario cartoons had exactly three character aspects to work with: fat, italian and plumber. He wasn't exactly wrenching pipes in every episode, so they had to do something...

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 January 2019 - 07:31 AM)

It's in another castle.

@  unluckiness : (16 January 2019 - 06:24 AM)


@  Locoman : (16 January 2019 - 06:17 AM)

Mario, wherever you are, HEEEEEEEELP!

@  unluckiness : (16 January 2019 - 06:07 AM)

That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario *wheeze*

@  Pennpenn : (16 January 2019 - 02:24 AM)

It's too hot here.

@  Echowarrior : (15 January 2019 - 11:03 PM)

I liked the Super Mario Brothers Super Show the best myself.

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There's always the three Mario cartoons DiC made back in the 80s.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 09:48 PM)

So they could make a show that everyone would scream was an adventure time knockoff? I get what you're saying, but I can't see it being well received.

@  Sean Whitmore : (15 January 2019 - 08:47 PM)

The fact that Adventure Time was on the air for 8 years and at no point did Nintendo hand the creators a large sack of money and say, "Please make a Mario thing for us" will forever anger me.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 07:03 PM)

There was so much awesome put into design and conception of the super mario bros. movie, and it didn't even need the branding: but it wouldn't have made it to the screen without the branding.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:56 PM)

Many aspects of it have stuck in my memory, though. The boots, the devolution ray, the aesthetic of the dinosaur city

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

I had no idea there was another Mario Bros. movie coming out, though. Doubt it'll top the first one, it was just so bizarre

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

They already act a bit like minions; they just aren't stupid

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 05:35 PM)

The trouble is: I honestly can't decide if making them minions would be better or worse than the continuously shrill voices they've used for the last 20 years.

@  Paladin : (15 January 2019 - 05:27 PM)

hope everyone's ready for Toads to look, act & sound like the Minions forever...

@  Lancer : (15 January 2019 - 04:54 PM)

I mean, considering Illumination is making the new Mario movie, Super Mario Bros. 1993 won't be the worst Mario movie anymore

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 04:36 PM)

"Sir, your pizza's here." "Not now!"

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Actually, yeah. I think I need to watch it again. Great movie.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 03:44 PM)

It's a fun movie with amazing sets. As long as you don't try to connect it to anything else Mario, it's fine.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Damn, I haven't thought about the Super Mario Bros. feature film in forever. Need to watch it again, soon; I can only imagine it gets better with time.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Re:Zero is a fantastic series.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 03:10 PM)

Yeah it's not a bad concept, it's just that lately the term is associated with "I, a Loser Everyman, Woke Up In a Generic Fantasy Setting Where I'm Super Special So Now Girls Orbit Me"

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 12:59 PM)

So too is the old Super Mario Bros movie

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 12:28 PM)

I went and looked up the term "isekai"... that's not actually as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 12:19 PM)

I'm not sure, but the cartoon segments of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show are.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Wait. A. Minute. Is Blaster Master an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (15 January 2019 - 08:49 AM)

*Dragon Slave*

@  Xellos : (15 January 2019 - 06:22 AM)

I used to use a pic like that as my avatar for years, but that... is a secret.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 02:07 AM)

Is Flatland an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (14 January 2019 - 11:16 PM)

@Xellos Every time I see you post, I picture Xellos' infuriating smug grin and finger waggling with the "sore wa hi*mi*tsu*desu <3"

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 09:50 PM)

The Last Starfighter is also one of those

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

Astronaut gets shot through a wornhole and ends up on a living starship full of escaped alien prisoners.

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

I realized a few months ago that Farscape is a sci-fi-based Isekai.

@  Sabrblade : (14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM)

The Thor movies and Enchanted, as well.

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A new Watership Down...what?

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 11:38 AM

Where rabbits=people, yes.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 02:14 PM

I'm guessing he's probably just seen supercuts and reaction videos about "omfg there's blood in this cartoon" which yeah, would give a person very little perspective, but it is kinda funny to address almost any subject with "I don't know anything about this but I can't understand why anyone would like it." X ]


But yeah, no, there's not a lot to compare it to, but it is a uniquely haunting movie with a unique aesthetic and atmosphere and some real gutpunch moments with characters you rapidly come to care about, and a lot of us did see it as children despite the fact that it made little effort to target them, which means it doesn't talk down to them. It doesn't really talk down to adults, for that matter - it has a certain adherence to authenticity and internal logic that makes you very aware of the fact that there's no friendly narrator winking at the camera. As a result I never even noticed as a kid that the pacing makes no sense (it's one of those movies that seem to end and pick up with another movie in the last third.) 

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 02:35 PM

BBC = already a big no, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't a watered down, palpable family friendly version.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 04:37 PM

The thing that stands out to me about Watership Down is that, if the characters were represented as human, we'd hardly bat an eye at the events.  A protagonist with a vision of disaster, leads a loyal group on a journey for a Promised Land, along the way they encounter dangers and hindrances, are taken captive by an oppressive regime, escape and topple said regime and manage to find their Promised Land and settle happily.


It's a story straight out of (as Copper pointed out) Biblical scripture and if presented in that way, no one would question the violence, abuse and horror of it.  It's only because they're rabbits that we find any of this horrific.


And, to that end, I have grown to appreciate Watership Down as a very important part of literature, despite fully admitting that it's not a fun read by any stretch.  It's one of the very few stories that presents the visceral horror of human existence in a way that circumvents our usual perception filter. As I pointed out, a lot of human history is just a story about humans killing humans, but we rarely think of it that way. We're sort of programmed not to think about the horrors of our own existence with a very specific mindset.  Just humans being humans. Until we see it in something we don't expect.


I feel like Animal Farm has much the same sense to it. What the animals get up to is especially horrific because they're behaving exactly the same as humans.

Edited by The Doctor Who, 14 December 2018 - 04:38 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 06:09 PM

I've never seen it, so I don't understand how this is so beloved.  Isn't it just a story about rabbits murdering each other?


No, its far more than that, its pretty much two main stories, the first is the flight of a bunch of rabbits as they leave their Warran upon one of the rabbits vision of death and destruction, so then its their quest to find a new home, the second half of the story is, they found a new home but they lack female rabbits, thus with the aid of a seagull they help, they learn of another warran overflowing with rabbits yet ruled by a tyrant in a miltray fashion. You should see the film at least once, the book is a lot more richer as it has extra stories of the rabbit's, best way to say, is their Adam/Jesus.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 06:37 PM

Maybe they aren't done.  A couple of the shots in the trailer look like Beast Wars.

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 01:55 PM

It's a great book that really is haunting and the original animated movie did a great job of capturing the struggles of the human condition and just . . . imagining what it's like to be a stressed out rabbit. 


Also, the lead in myth of Frith in the animated movie is amazing.  Unfortunately I can't find it on Youtube anymore but someone did make a stop-motion frame for frame imitation that uses the original, excellent narration.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 02:01 PM

I looked for that as well and was similarly disappointed. It's so beyond perfect. The quote used in the trailer for the new one still gives me chills. 


For what it is, the stop motion captures the style surprisingly well. 

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 02:58 PM

Yeah but it doesn't capture how Frith pooped all the other animals into existence. RUINED FOREVER.

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Posted 22 December 2018 - 07:01 PM

Ok watched the first part of this adaption and my thoughts are:

1. Animation, its not as bad as it appears in the trailer thou I do feel the character faces could of used a little bit of work to help set each rabbit apart and it takes time to idenity each Wabbit

2. Story, it seems to be a pretty straight adaption of the book and more faithful than the original movie, but considering this is two parts and run time of nearly two hours for a part, it gives plenty of room for story

3. First of my disappoints would be on the openning sequence that tells the story of the Prince of rabbits and their god of sorts (AKA the sun), also when they start telling one of the stories, I had hoped for a animation sequence that tells the story but its just them in a muddy piece of land.

4. Secondly, the Black Rabbit of Death, it would been better if they kept it appearance more mysterious.


Overall, its a intersting adaption so far, look forward to the next part of this, it never out class the original movie but at least they are bringing the story to a new generation of viewers who never seen the original or heard of the book its based on.


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