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@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Well, when you understand the history of the area it make sense. It's basically a series of countries buying the place, moving in, saying "we rule you people now", and the locals shrugging and responding, "okay, you have fun with that".

@  Sabrblade : (16 April 2019 - 07:58 AM)

When did we all turn into Henry Higgins?

@  unluckiness : (16 April 2019 - 03:16 AM)

To be fair, most Americans can't get the hang of English, so I can understand why.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:15 AM)

(And yeah, Calliope is a Greek muse, not French, but the street was named BY the French when they took over.)

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:10 AM)

In New Orleans there's a bunch of streets with French names that are pronounced by locals with a more English emphasis, for example "Calliope Street" is pronounced "CAL-lee-ope".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 11:56 PM)

I figured as much for Canadians.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 11:37 PM)

hm; whenever I've heard people talk about the school they said it the same way as the cathedral...but I guess that's in Canada, so they're probably more familiar with the cathedral than the school

@  Dracula : (15 April 2019 - 11:11 PM)

There's plenty of place names in the US like that. Around here we have an "el doh-RAY-doh," and up north there's a Cairo that's pronounced "kay-roh"

@  RichardT1977 : (15 April 2019 - 09:56 PM)

Yeah, the common pronunciation of the University is probably the reason most Americans don't pronounce the Cathedral name correctly.

@  Arazyr : (15 April 2019 - 08:03 PM)

That's my understanding of how the two are supposed to be pronounced as well.

@  Echowarrior : (15 April 2019 - 07:42 PM)

When I'm talking about the cathedral, I say "noh-treh dahme". When I talk about the university, I say "noh-ter dayme". I don't see a problem with that.

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 06:26 PM)

guessing "Hunchback" just got bumped WAY down the list for Disney's live-action remakes...

@  Patch : (15 April 2019 - 05:56 PM)

We all pronounce it wrong, so no one knows enough to care.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 05:40 PM)

It'd be odd for most Americans not to know how to pronounce Notre Dame, considering they have a University with the same name that's the subject of a relatively popular film based around a sport most Americans love

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Three or four more hours will be needed to contain the fire.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Update from France 24: the Paris Fire Brigade says two towers and the main structure of the cathedral have been saved from complete destruction.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:57 PM)

One does not have to speak French to know that rhyming with "voter name" is off the mark.

@  Locoman : (15 April 2019 - 03:51 PM)

Really? It's an international tragedy and you're zeroing in on the people who maybe don't speak French?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:44 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw I just read on BBC News that the cause is not yet clear, but officials suspect the fire could be linked to renovation work.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:42 PM)

Oh boy, here we go with the U.S.-American newscasters who can't pronounce "Notre Dame" correctly.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 April 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Too soon to say.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 April 2019 - 03:20 PM)

Do we know if it was an attack? Arson? Or just bad wiring?

@  Nevermore : (15 April 2019 - 02:10 PM)

Religion is dead?

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 02:01 PM)

major cathedral burning down on Holy Week is some kind of metaphor.

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:54 PM)

Hard to believe a wonder of the world could just be wiped out so easily. Hopefully they can still save it

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Well, Notre Dame is burning down

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 10:05 AM)

yikes I thought the site was going to be down for a while

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:07 PM)

So, time for another strike. No sleep for me tonight. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:04 PM)

Think Game of Thrones "light" meets Cabaret and you get the idea.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:03 PM)

Kinda sorta, just with more intrigue, conspiracy, depravity, crime and violence.

@  RichardT1977 : (14 April 2019 - 06:37 PM)

So it's like a prequel to Cabaret?

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 04:02 PM)

And man, characters are smoking literally EVERYWHERE.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:27 PM)

Also, full frontal male nudity. (There's been quite a bit of female nudity since episode 1.)

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:26 PM)

Episode 6, and Hitler is randomly name-checked.

@  Xellos : (14 April 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Runa runa!

@  Sabrblade : (14 April 2019 - 09:10 AM)

Wocka wocka!

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@  MEDdMI : (14 April 2019 - 06:34 AM)

With a trout.

@  Xellos : (14 April 2019 - 05:44 AM)

With a stick?

@  MEDdMI : (13 April 2019 - 10:56 PM)

*slaps them both*

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 April 2019 - 07:31 PM)

Seems like a polarizing decision, but it's not like jest anyone could make it for you.

@  Xellos : (13 April 2019 - 06:06 PM)

I had an epiphany today. My spirit animal is Fozzie Bear. We both love our un-bear-able jokes, which make people feel like they are being pun-ished.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:24 AM)

That's what makes the show so poignant, I think. It take a contemporary perspective, rather than a modern one. The hardships of the time aren't glossed over, but they're portrayed very stoically. Yeah, many people suffered, there was poverty, but so was life at the time. There's also a high-ranking Jewish police official who's a very by-the-books guy and supports the frail democracy of Weimar Germany. If you want to learn more about how Germany BEFORE the Period Everyone Knows About, this show is as good as it gets.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:19 AM)

Because in retrospect, we (even here in Germany) tend to view the era with knowledge of what would later come, but in reality, the Nazis started out as a regional fringe movement and basically just happened to be in the right place at the right time to seize power.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:18 AM)

The communists are a much bigger threat. When the Nazis appear, they will likely do so with a bang. Like, completely out of left field.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:17 AM)

The show tries its best to accurately depict the zeitgeist of the era, the post-war period with a young, struggling (and ultimately doomed) democracy... but like in real life, the Nazis aren't really an issue on anyone's mind yet.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:16 AM)

The female lead is a young, aspiring typist and part-time prostitute who dreams of becoming a police officer working in the murder department.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:15 AM)

During his investigations, he becomes involved in political unrest, murder cases, a conspiracy of reactionary monarchists, Russian counter-revolutionaries and more.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:14 AM)

@Benbot: Babylon Berlin is a film noir-style crime drama set in the German capital of Berlin in the year 1929. It features a World War I veteran turned police officer from Cologne who comes to Berlin to investigate a porn ring that blackmails his superior, the grand mayor of Cologne (who would later become the first chancellor of post-WWII Germany).

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A new Watership Down...what?

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 11:38 AM

Where rabbits=people, yes.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 02:14 PM

I'm guessing he's probably just seen supercuts and reaction videos about "omfg there's blood in this cartoon" which yeah, would give a person very little perspective, but it is kinda funny to address almost any subject with "I don't know anything about this but I can't understand why anyone would like it." X ]


But yeah, no, there's not a lot to compare it to, but it is a uniquely haunting movie with a unique aesthetic and atmosphere and some real gutpunch moments with characters you rapidly come to care about, and a lot of us did see it as children despite the fact that it made little effort to target them, which means it doesn't talk down to them. It doesn't really talk down to adults, for that matter - it has a certain adherence to authenticity and internal logic that makes you very aware of the fact that there's no friendly narrator winking at the camera. As a result I never even noticed as a kid that the pacing makes no sense (it's one of those movies that seem to end and pick up with another movie in the last third.) 

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 02:35 PM

BBC = already a big no, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't a watered down, palpable family friendly version.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 04:37 PM

The thing that stands out to me about Watership Down is that, if the characters were represented as human, we'd hardly bat an eye at the events.  A protagonist with a vision of disaster, leads a loyal group on a journey for a Promised Land, along the way they encounter dangers and hindrances, are taken captive by an oppressive regime, escape and topple said regime and manage to find their Promised Land and settle happily.


It's a story straight out of (as Copper pointed out) Biblical scripture and if presented in that way, no one would question the violence, abuse and horror of it.  It's only because they're rabbits that we find any of this horrific.


And, to that end, I have grown to appreciate Watership Down as a very important part of literature, despite fully admitting that it's not a fun read by any stretch.  It's one of the very few stories that presents the visceral horror of human existence in a way that circumvents our usual perception filter. As I pointed out, a lot of human history is just a story about humans killing humans, but we rarely think of it that way. We're sort of programmed not to think about the horrors of our own existence with a very specific mindset.  Just humans being humans. Until we see it in something we don't expect.


I feel like Animal Farm has much the same sense to it. What the animals get up to is especially horrific because they're behaving exactly the same as humans.

Edited by The Doctor Who, 14 December 2018 - 04:38 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 06:09 PM

I've never seen it, so I don't understand how this is so beloved.  Isn't it just a story about rabbits murdering each other?


No, its far more than that, its pretty much two main stories, the first is the flight of a bunch of rabbits as they leave their Warran upon one of the rabbits vision of death and destruction, so then its their quest to find a new home, the second half of the story is, they found a new home but they lack female rabbits, thus with the aid of a seagull they help, they learn of another warran overflowing with rabbits yet ruled by a tyrant in a miltray fashion. You should see the film at least once, the book is a lot more richer as it has extra stories of the rabbit's, best way to say, is their Adam/Jesus.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 06:37 PM

Maybe they aren't done.  A couple of the shots in the trailer look like Beast Wars.

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 08:12 AM

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 01:55 PM

It's a great book that really is haunting and the original animated movie did a great job of capturing the struggles of the human condition and just . . . imagining what it's like to be a stressed out rabbit. 


Also, the lead in myth of Frith in the animated movie is amazing.  Unfortunately I can't find it on Youtube anymore but someone did make a stop-motion frame for frame imitation that uses the original, excellent narration.


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 02:01 PM

I looked for that as well and was similarly disappointed. It's so beyond perfect. The quote used in the trailer for the new one still gives me chills. 


For what it is, the stop motion captures the style surprisingly well. 

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 02:58 PM

Yeah but it doesn't capture how Frith pooped all the other animals into existence. RUINED FOREVER.

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Posted 22 December 2018 - 07:01 PM

Ok watched the first part of this adaption and my thoughts are:

1. Animation, its not as bad as it appears in the trailer thou I do feel the character faces could of used a little bit of work to help set each rabbit apart and it takes time to idenity each Wabbit

2. Story, it seems to be a pretty straight adaption of the book and more faithful than the original movie, but considering this is two parts and run time of nearly two hours for a part, it gives plenty of room for story

3. First of my disappoints would be on the openning sequence that tells the story of the Prince of rabbits and their god of sorts (AKA the sun), also when they start telling one of the stories, I had hoped for a animation sequence that tells the story but its just them in a muddy piece of land.

4. Secondly, the Black Rabbit of Death, it would been better if they kept it appearance more mysterious.


Overall, its a intersting adaption so far, look forward to the next part of this, it never out class the original movie but at least they are bringing the story to a new generation of viewers who never seen the original or heard of the book its based on.


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