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@  Rycochet : (17 January 2020 - 06:15 PM)

I both love and hate that the Alien franchise seems to have had more luck finding a niche as a line of children's toys than it has at producing worthwhile films.

@  Donocropolis : (17 January 2020 - 06:35 AM)

I've seen them on the shelves at Walmart. They're pretty great looking retro Aliens toys. https://www.walmart....-Vary/934039489

@  fourteenwings : (17 January 2020 - 01:11 AM)

IIRC somebody on here mentioned an unbranded Alien toy a couple of weeks ago? It seems like it was actually part of a collection for the Alien movie series by Lanard. Mattel's making some stuff too.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 January 2020 - 03:12 PM)

Is it really a worse name than say, HMS Spanker?

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 January 2020 - 02:36 PM)

'Boaty McBoatface' was a actual thing?! Wow.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (14 January 2020 - 02:00 PM)

Might be worth bringing back this thread.

@  ThunderWear : (14 January 2020 - 01:53 PM)

Of course I had the idea to download all the pdfs like a week too late. Anyone got an archive?

@  Steevy Maximus : (14 January 2020 - 12:48 PM)

The Collector Club is dead. Seems like it all came down shortly after New Year

@  ThunderWear : (13 January 2020 - 11:06 PM)

I can't get to the collector club website. anyone else? I was literally going to download all the fiction to finish reading.

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 January 2020 - 04:50 AM)

News today is all 'there's a CHANCE it would snow in July' and 'dogs COULD bite back'.

@  Benbot : (12 January 2020 - 10:05 PM)

Holy crap, do many people get hurt by them?

@  wonko the sane? : (12 January 2020 - 02:11 PM)

Even in fallout, they never carpet bombed with nukes.

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 January 2020 - 12:43 PM)

I hope the stockpiled nuclear weapons of the US and Russia are accounted for then.

@  Nevermore : (12 January 2020 - 12:22 PM)

Geez. 1760 (!) bombs from World War II that had not detonated and were still armed have been found. That's only the numbers for the federal state of Germany I live in, and only for the first three quarters of 2019. For all of 2018, the total number was 2811 (!!) bombs.

@  CVReynolds : (11 January 2020 - 11:05 PM)

I've been wanting a Tarantulas that turns into a more realistic tarantula for a long time. Maybe Takara will someday do a Masterpiece, which would be neat. But I really want to see a modernized look like in the IDW comics.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 January 2020 - 09:43 PM)

We need more Waspinators.. and rattraps.

@  Ashley : (11 January 2020 - 07:09 PM)

I'm on board with that

@  Dekafox : (11 January 2020 - 06:17 PM)

What I'm hearing is we need Cyberverse Waspinator

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 January 2020 - 01:27 AM)

He's appeared across more branding changes than Waspinator, so maybe it's more the other way around.

@  Ashley : (10 January 2020 - 12:01 AM)

is C3PO the Waspinator of Star Wars? he'll live forever, because it's funny for him to suffer

@  Sabrblade : (09 January 2020 - 11:52 PM)

He's still waiting for them to be funny.

@  ▲ndrusi : (09 January 2020 - 10:35 PM)

Why?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 January 2020 - 04:02 PM)

I've been watching South Park, Family Guy and The Simpsons with a straight face for a decade now.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 January 2020 - 03:18 PM)

If that's what it takes to get you to take the medication, sure.

@  Bass X0 : (09 January 2020 - 01:52 PM)

If I go crazy, will you still call me Superman?

@  fourteenwings : (09 January 2020 - 11:37 AM)

I mean, it is easier to protect HDDs, and you can retransfer the data over and over forever?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (09 January 2020 - 10:45 AM)

Not in this comparison. He's making his own files, so they're (presumably) not restricted by DRM, so he can copy them as many times as he wants. It's potentially more reliable in the long term than hoping the specific copies you originally bought never accrue any damage for the rest of your life.

@  Echowarrior : (09 January 2020 - 10:44 AM)

I prefer physical copies too. Easier to protect something physical and tangible.

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 January 2020 - 09:55 AM)

I prefer having physical copies.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 January 2020 - 08:56 AM)

I have plenty of physical media I turn into digital media for my plex server. Just finished ripping Ultra Seven

@  fourteenwings : (09 January 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Isn't the general consensus that we're supposed to be over physical media anyways?

@  Paladin : (09 January 2020 - 08:17 AM)

i still don't own a Blu-Ray player.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 January 2020 - 07:35 AM)

My current TV works just fine. I don't see a need to upgrade. And by the time I do, the Next Big Thing will probably be out anyway.

@  Benbot : (09 January 2020 - 03:58 AM)

Me neither. I'm no rebel, though. I'm just poor.

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 January 2020 - 03:38 AM)

I haven't gone 4K yet, I'm a rebel.

@  Ashley : (07 January 2020 - 11:50 PM)

the comic theme is amazing

@  Bass X0 : (07 January 2020 - 03:18 PM)

Sounds like Victor Caroli but I’m not sure.

@  Bass X0 : (07 January 2020 - 02:35 PM)

Should I recognise the narrator of the Mutant Hunt trailer?

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 January 2020 - 04:30 AM)

I got me Titans Return Blaster, now watch them unveil Earthrise Blaster and Generations Perceptor, a retool of Titans Blaster.

@  ThunderWear : (06 January 2020 - 10:22 PM)

I recently switched to to the comic theme here at the Allspark and I'm so happy I just want to look at it.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (06 January 2020 - 08:12 AM)

Can you not take so many lines to say anything?

@  fourteenwings : (06 January 2020 - 07:47 AM)

Iunno, maybe people having unique pronunciations of things re:how they understand language makes the world a more colourful place, rather than one where we correct every seemingly grievous error?

@  Nevermore : (06 January 2020 - 06:12 AM)

Others insist on "Michael Yackson".

@  Nevermore : (06 January 2020 - 06:01 AM)

Because the very combination of those sounds is unknown to them, and thus they avoid it as if it were contagious.

@  Nevermore : (06 January 2020 - 06:00 AM)

For example, the English "J" sound consists of sounds that exist in German: Basically, it's just a "d" sound followed by a very soft "sh". Yet there are many Germans who insist on calling the late King of Pop "Michael Checkson".

@  Nevermore : (06 January 2020 - 05:58 AM)

I'm talking about names that should pe easily pronouncable if you just bothered to pay attention to how it's done correctly instead of insisting on "I speak X language and this is how I prounounce it!"

@  Nevermore : (06 January 2020 - 05:57 AM)

I'm not even talking about foreign names that have sounds that don't exist in the speaker's language.

@  Nevermore : (06 January 2020 - 05:56 AM)

Something that really irks me is when people are persistently ignorant about the correct pronunciation of foreign names, especially when it's people they either admire or frequently interact with on a daily basis.

@  Agamus : (05 January 2020 - 09:22 PM)

wait this isn't the search bar

@  Agamus : (05 January 2020 - 09:22 PM)

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Dawn of Future's Past Epilogue Question

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#1 That One Guy

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 03:47 PM

While researching Fun Pub's Dawn of Future's Past story (along with other Beast Era lore), this pannel grabbed my attention.

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The scene this is set in features Divebomb telling Razorclaw of Predacon Megatron's demise after the climax of Beast Machines. Pete Sinclair later stated that the scene was intended to take place 50-100 years after Beast Machines, but this baffles me for a number of reasons.

Firstly, why would Divebomb be reporting to Razorclaw about this decades after Megatron fell? Unless Razorclaw's entire group went offline for a good 50+ years, I can't see how this would be relevant information to discuss. Furthermore, in the Universe extension of the Beast Era, Megatron is revived along with Primal during the Universe War. Why would Divebomb be reporting on Megatron's death from decades ago when he was revived only a year or so later?

To reconcile the second discrepancy, I chalked it up to the epilogue taking place in a different timeline branching off from Beast Machines, same as Universe, Wings Universe, and the Japanese animes and mangas. Hell, DoFP was even stated as being a part of the Wings Universe timeline, so the epilogue could just take place in that continuity. As for Pete's comment, that could also be dismissed as non-canon.

Unfortunately, it wasn't that simple. According to the TFWiki Beast Era timeline, the DoFP epilogue is set somewhere in the future after the conclusion of the Universe War, which doesn't make any sense for the aforementioned reasons. Can anyone here feasibly explain how any of that jives, or is this just another case of a continuity error that has no real explanation?

Edited by That ONE Guy, 12 December 2018 - 03:49 PM.


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Posted 12 December 2018 - 05:38 PM

Razorclaw was asking about events that occurred right after the Beast Wars, which was Beast Machines.

 

At the time that the epilogue took place, Razorclaw himself had only just recently made his return, unaware of the events that had transpired during his absence. The bio for his 2009 toy, which was based on his appearance in that epilogue, describes how he was supposedly assassinated by the then-up-and-coming Tripredacus Council members, so he's been MIA for a good while.

 

In reality, DOFP was written to only take into account the two cartoons, in order to make it stand as the definitive BW prequel without referencing anything else of the various Beast Era continuities that it can slot into, meaning that the epilogue could not have made reference to the Universe War even if it had wanted to.

 

What's more is that, for a good long time, the latter-year 3H fiction was really hard to come by, officially, so not a whole lot of people would have been able to have read much of anything that hadn't yet been posted to BotCon Online. This included all of the Universe comics, so it's possible that most readers back then (outside of the hardcore convention-goers) weren't even aware of Megatron's resurrection in Universe, so some of those who did get to read DOFP may not have even noticed that the epilogue referred to events that preceded another appearance of Megatron.

 

Or even, a lot of folks to this day may have still not read DOFP itself if they missed out on BotCon 2006 or the Diamond Edition release, or even the Shout! Factory DVD boxed set release. And after awhile, any desire to read it may wane as the years go by.


Edited by Sabrblade, 12 December 2018 - 05:39 PM.

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 06:41 PM

Megatron's Universe return was covered more in FP material than 3H. It's kind of nonsensical that DOFP would ignore it because it was too obscure -- it was from the same publisher from the same time period, and I can't imagine there were many people buying box sets without Club memberships, given how the discounts worked.

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 06:56 PM

Megatron's Universe return was covered more in FP material than 3H. It's kind of nonsensical that DOFP would ignore it because it was too obscure -- it was from the same publisher from the same time period, and I can't imagine there were many people buying box sets without Club memberships, given how the discounts worked.

 

True, though, I recall back in the day seeing people overlooking those profiles in favor just the comics and other "normal" types of fiction. Even got into some debates with some who felt like they "shouldn't have to go looking for story info hidden in a bio instead of seeing it play out in an actual story".


Edited by Sabrblade, 12 December 2018 - 06:56 PM.

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 07:16 PM

TBH I've always felt that  DOFP and TOTGD can easily slot into the 3H stuff-Wreckers Finale 2, for instance, mentions Backslash.

 

In any case, Razorclaw's 2009 bio indicates he died at some point prior to Beast Wars, having been brought back post-BM. Ultimately, I think it's easier to slot it right after, as there's no indication in the comic itself beyond the "many years later" bit to really put a timeline on it.



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Posted 12 December 2018 - 07:20 PM

Got it, things make more sense now. Like always, Sabrblade, your attention to detail has aided me. I'll have to rework some aspects of the story I'm writing around all of these late Beast Era events, but not too much.



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