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@  Verno : (11 July 2020 - 11:20 PM)

2021: :idea :rolleyes :p :D

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:20 PM)

Perfection. :thumbsup

@  Patch : (11 July 2020 - 06:17 PM)

My plans:  :hmm  2020:  :)

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Our plans for 2020 were as amazing as Optimus Prime. But then 2020 came like Hot Rod.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 05:50 PM)

Indeed....

@  Bass X0 : (11 July 2020 - 05:40 PM)

"He who dies with the most toys wins."

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:11 PM)

Hey you, get moving, it's not too far, you're looking good so come as you are. Hey you, you never know what you'll see, when it's through that door with the 73.

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:10 PM)

Hey you, get ready, get on your feet. Get into gear and hit the street.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 12:46 PM)

I recall number 73 (old british show) discussing the Transformers movie and had the presenters trying to transform a few figures, one argued his deflated beach ball was a Transformer too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (11 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

And he's a big ball, but he's not the biggest ball of them all. (That'll be Pulse Unicron.)

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 07:37 AM)

Trypticon so scared my Primus figure he turned into a ball.

@  ▲ndrusi : (09 July 2020 - 09:56 PM)

King Nine, however, will not return.

@  Bass X0 : (09 July 2020 - 05:05 PM)

Bass_X0 will return after these messages ^^^

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 July 2020 - 03:37 PM)

WHATAMIFIGHTINGFOOOOOOOOARRGH

@  -LittleAutob... : (09 July 2020 - 02:06 PM)

Okay?

@  Otaku : (09 July 2020 - 07:47 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk Ah, but the series itself has pronounced "Bass" both ways. ;)  Oh, 90s English Capcom video game voice acting...

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 July 2020 - 03:14 AM)

Looking at my Titan Returns collection I can see they realised they didn't have to paint the Titan Masters after wave one, lazy bums.

@  Maruten : (08 July 2020 - 09:13 PM)

No, I'm going with "fish".

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 July 2020 - 04:19 PM)

He stated that it's in reference to the Mega Man character, so it follows the series' tradition of music names.

@  Cybersnark : (08 July 2020 - 03:59 PM)

The real question is if it's "bass" as in music or "bass" as in the fish.

@  Otaku : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Well, at least now I know how to pronounce @Bass X0 's screen name. ^^'  Rather, I think I'd just forgotten.  In my defense, it really does look like an emoticon or maybe just "decoration", which is what a lot of folks add to their screen names online.  Usually because someone has the name they really want. XD

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Extremely unimpressed with your idea that someone making a negative observation you don't like means they "got triggered."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (08 July 2020 - 11:16 AM)

You know somebody asked "And this would be in relation to... what exactly?"

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Its because someone got triggered over my random musings instead of just ignoring them. If I read one of your comments that is of no relevance or interest to me, I don't feel the need to say so.

@  -LittleAutob... : (08 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

All this over someone's username lol

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 08:34 AM)

Bazro.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (08 July 2020 - 06:34 AM)

It could be Bass 10-0

@  Nevermore : (08 July 2020 - 06:11 AM)

How do you pronounce yourself? "Bass Ex-O" or "Bass Ex-Zero"?

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 03:23 AM)

I did almost go with Vile Bass X0, because Vile is cool too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 July 2020 - 08:34 PM)

Bossk Saw

@  ▲ndrusi : (07 July 2020 - 04:16 PM)

Bass XD

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 03:43 PM)

And its not Bass XO, its Bass X0, as in Bass, X and Zero from the Mega Man series.

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:33 PM)

@Trpodeca :( :(

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Thats what a gray rock is? Then I'm not one.

@  Trpodeca : (07 July 2020 - 02:12 PM)

Man I just learnt about what seemed like a really cool show, only to realize it was a dream and it dosen't really exist.

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 01:02 PM)

Just something I read that I wanted to share. I heard "gray rock" mentioned in a video, so I looked it up and that was the definition.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 July 2020 - 12:20 PM)

It's a fancy way of saying "Ignore annoying people".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (07 July 2020 - 12:15 PM)

Bass XO has a habit of pasting random drivel here as if doing so were profound.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 July 2020 - 11:30 AM)

And this would be in relation to... what exactly?

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 11:25 AM)

"One strategy for dealing with a narcissist or sociopath is to act like a "gray rock," meaning that you become uninteresting and unresponsive. You don't feed their needs for drama or attention. You don't show emotion, say anything interesting, or disclose any personal information"

@  Nevermore : (06 July 2020 - 07:23 PM)

Oh wow. Studio Series Offroad Bumblebee is awesome. His articulation is amazing.

@  -LittleAutob... : (06 July 2020 - 11:18 AM)

Oof-

@  Maximus Ambus : (05 July 2020 - 01:10 AM)

I got Studio Series 39 Cogman yesterday and woke up to find he'd decapitated my titans returns figures.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 July 2020 - 10:19 PM)

If I had a sarcasm powered mouth.. ooohh waaaiiittt...

@  -LittleAutob... : (04 July 2020 - 05:01 PM)

Heh

@  Bass X0 : (04 July 2020 - 02:56 PM)

"If I had sarcasm-powered legs, I'd do a happy dance...!"

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 July 2020 - 02:39 PM)

The real clones were the friends we made along the way.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 01:47 PM)

So the Emperor in episodes 1 through 6 was a clone?

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 10:47 AM)

(And the 0th anniversary of the last time I couldn't do math.)

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Today is the 24th anniversary of the day we fought off an alien invasion with the help of Will Smith.


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Dawn of Future's Past Epilogue Question

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#1 That One Guy

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 03:47 PM

While researching Fun Pub's Dawn of Future's Past story (along with other Beast Era lore), this pannel grabbed my attention.

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The scene this is set in features Divebomb telling Razorclaw of Predacon Megatron's demise after the climax of Beast Machines. Pete Sinclair later stated that the scene was intended to take place 50-100 years after Beast Machines, but this baffles me for a number of reasons.

Firstly, why would Divebomb be reporting to Razorclaw about this decades after Megatron fell? Unless Razorclaw's entire group went offline for a good 50+ years, I can't see how this would be relevant information to discuss. Furthermore, in the Universe extension of the Beast Era, Megatron is revived along with Primal during the Universe War. Why would Divebomb be reporting on Megatron's death from decades ago when he was revived only a year or so later?

To reconcile the second discrepancy, I chalked it up to the epilogue taking place in a different timeline branching off from Beast Machines, same as Universe, Wings Universe, and the Japanese animes and mangas. Hell, DoFP was even stated as being a part of the Wings Universe timeline, so the epilogue could just take place in that continuity. As for Pete's comment, that could also be dismissed as non-canon.

Unfortunately, it wasn't that simple. According to the TFWiki Beast Era timeline, the DoFP epilogue is set somewhere in the future after the conclusion of the Universe War, which doesn't make any sense for the aforementioned reasons. Can anyone here feasibly explain how any of that jives, or is this just another case of a continuity error that has no real explanation?

Edited by That ONE Guy, 12 December 2018 - 03:49 PM.


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Posted 12 December 2018 - 05:38 PM

Razorclaw was asking about events that occurred right after the Beast Wars, which was Beast Machines.

 

At the time that the epilogue took place, Razorclaw himself had only just recently made his return, unaware of the events that had transpired during his absence. The bio for his 2009 toy, which was based on his appearance in that epilogue, describes how he was supposedly assassinated by the then-up-and-coming Tripredacus Council members, so he's been MIA for a good while.

 

In reality, DOFP was written to only take into account the two cartoons, in order to make it stand as the definitive BW prequel without referencing anything else of the various Beast Era continuities that it can slot into, meaning that the epilogue could not have made reference to the Universe War even if it had wanted to.

 

What's more is that, for a good long time, the latter-year 3H fiction was really hard to come by, officially, so not a whole lot of people would have been able to have read much of anything that hadn't yet been posted to BotCon Online. This included all of the Universe comics, so it's possible that most readers back then (outside of the hardcore convention-goers) weren't even aware of Megatron's resurrection in Universe, so some of those who did get to read DOFP may not have even noticed that the epilogue referred to events that preceded another appearance of Megatron.

 

Or even, a lot of folks to this day may have still not read DOFP itself if they missed out on BotCon 2006 or the Diamond Edition release, or even the Shout! Factory DVD boxed set release. And after awhile, any desire to read it may wane as the years go by.


Edited by Sabrblade, 12 December 2018 - 05:39 PM.

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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 06:41 PM

Megatron's Universe return was covered more in FP material than 3H. It's kind of nonsensical that DOFP would ignore it because it was too obscure -- it was from the same publisher from the same time period, and I can't imagine there were many people buying box sets without Club memberships, given how the discounts worked.

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 06:56 PM

Megatron's Universe return was covered more in FP material than 3H. It's kind of nonsensical that DOFP would ignore it because it was too obscure -- it was from the same publisher from the same time period, and I can't imagine there were many people buying box sets without Club memberships, given how the discounts worked.

 

True, though, I recall back in the day seeing people overlooking those profiles in favor just the comics and other "normal" types of fiction. Even got into some debates with some who felt like they "shouldn't have to go looking for story info hidden in a bio instead of seeing it play out in an actual story".


Edited by Sabrblade, 12 December 2018 - 06:56 PM.

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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 07:16 PM

TBH I've always felt that  DOFP and TOTGD can easily slot into the 3H stuff-Wreckers Finale 2, for instance, mentions Backslash.

 

In any case, Razorclaw's 2009 bio indicates he died at some point prior to Beast Wars, having been brought back post-BM. Ultimately, I think it's easier to slot it right after, as there's no indication in the comic itself beyond the "many years later" bit to really put a timeline on it.



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Posted 12 December 2018 - 07:20 PM

Got it, things make more sense now. Like always, Sabrblade, your attention to detail has aided me. I'll have to rework some aspects of the story I'm writing around all of these late Beast Era events, but not too much.



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