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@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 03:47 PM)

LOL bananas

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM)

Either way, I'd stick to the definitions of the people who actually work in the field and know what they're talking about over incredibly loose unhelpful ones 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

Which fossils and genetic sequencing proved were quite different from wolves as we know them. Which is kind of the point, since while domesticated organisms changed genetically, so have their wild counterparts.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

I mean, even more extreme would be to ask if cows would turn back into aurochs. They'd go feral or exitinct, but they wouldn't revert.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Don't be ridiculous. The domesticated dog wasn't derived from the modern wolf. Both descended from a common ancestor

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Then they are still Geneticly modified. ;P I mean hell, in a lot of cases, there is very little difference between removing a gene and making it dormant. Anyways. Gotta run, stuff to do right now. Have fun.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:32 AM)

The ones that survived would be more wolf like, but they wouldn't be wolves. And in a lot of cases without human intervention most of the heavily modified animals and plants wouldn't survive a "few generations".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM)

Are you saying, given a few years (relativily speaking) of no humans, dogs will return to wolves?

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:30 AM)

Within a few generations without human intervention, the same traits resurface. because again, the genes aren't changed. Only the population.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:28 AM)

The genes for those traits are still present though. You're not manipulating the genotype, rather than the phenotype of the population.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:26 AM)

The fact that it's a more indirect method compared to, say, CRISPR is irrelevant.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Selective breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, since you're restricting or eliminating unfavored genetic patterns from being expressed in the target organisms.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

As it should be... People whine about GMO, but most of it is because they don't understand that biotech is usually just a faster way of doing the exact same thing thousands of years of crossbreading does.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

You can call it whatever you like, but again, that definition is so wide as to be worthless and few people would agree with the definition.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

The commonly accepted definition of "genetic modification" by the scientific community involves biotechnology and direct manipulation of genetic material

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:13 AM)

But.. While slower.. That's -exactly- what crossbreeding is.. Genetic modification.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:02 AM)

Which is patently ridiculous. They didn't modify the genetic makeup of these organisms; just manipulated the odds of traits deemed as favorable being expressed. 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 07:53 AM)

By that definition, literally everything that humans have domesticated is a GMO.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 07:44 AM)

Why? It's completely geneticly modified to be almost completely distinct from what a real banana is.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:52 AM)

By looser definitions of GMO. So loose as to be worthless pretty much.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 06:35 AM)

So.. All banannas that anyone eats.. organic or not.. is a GMO..

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 06:23 AM)

Aren't they usually called palatains? But yeah, the only reason those cultivars survive at all is because of humans.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

That said, there are still wild banana plants which do reproduce sexually. If you don't mind gigantic seeds in them.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

This makes them highly susceptible to disease due to the stagnant genetic pool and inability to adapt.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:15 AM)

The domesticated kind reproduced asexually, meaning that the ones present today have the genetics of the same banana plants circa whenever bananas were domesticated

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2019 - 04:53 AM)

Why would they be?

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 04:07 AM)

Shouldn't banana's be extinct now?

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:38 PM)

:p You leave my male harem alone.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 11:27 PM)

Yeah, but unfortunately, it was Fire Emblem Fates.

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Fire Emblem Fates didn't force the gay pairings to have kids, not even for adoption. Granted, there were only 2 canon gay/bi options amoungst a sea of hetero, but still.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:27 PM)

It pissed off more people than usual since when the game was getting hyped much was made that you could have your character be gay as the first of May, and also the fact that the achievement for that event in the DLC was called "Growing Up"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 10:19 PM)

Never played the game, but that works as well! Textbook mindless natalism.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:15 PM)

Huh, I figured you were talking about that Assassins Creed Oddessy DLC that forces your character to have a kid regardless of your choices, previous behaviour, or current situation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM)

Some context: I am bemoaning the fact that Modern Family is currently demonstrating why it should have already ended. Because not only it is making its annoying characters even worse, but Haley's storyline is taking her in a direction I hate.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:08 PM)

So when a lazy cop-out in the story happens, I'm going to object to the shoehorning.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM)

I think you misunderstand me. History is rife with instances wherein having children turned out not to be the right decision, and people with normal intelligence saw it coming. So people like myself find it infurating when television writers broadly pretend this doesn't happen.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:02 PM)

So it's not weird that it shows up in a lot of fiction. Since it shows up in a lot of nonfiction.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:01 PM)

But you know, like... the majority of people do it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:49 PM)

And no characters call out this course of action for the stupidity it is. Believe it or not, not everyone is cut out to have kids, and having children is not an extraordinary life accomplishment.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:48 PM)

Yup. Like writers knocking up a (usually female) character for no good reason, often when said character has not previously expressed the desire for children, or children would heavily set back their life plans, or the other biological parent is not a good relationship partner.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM)

I mean, there's more to it, and varying levels of related concepts and blah blah blah, but I'm not gonna go further in the shoutbox.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM)

It's the "everyone's gotta make babies" school of thought. It varies but in media it manifests as "all characters end up married with kids or dead". For contrast an anti-natalist concept would be China's One Child policy.

@  Locoman : (22 January 2019 - 06:28 PM)

.... pro-natalist?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Pro-natalist clichés in fiction are overrated. But no Hollywood writer can come up with new ideas. Argh.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 10:05 AM)

How does the giant gimmicky Bumblebee toy have such an incredible leg transformation compared to the MPM

@  lastmaximal : (22 January 2019 - 09:27 AM)

I mean it's Vigo. We are like the buzzing of flies to him.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 05:51 AM)

Perfectly. His talent is only surpassed by Tommy Wiseau

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2019 - 04:57 AM)

How well he can play them is another story.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 04:34 AM)

Blasphemy. Nicolas Cage can play anybody.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 03:34 AM)

I'm just glad we're in a timeline where Nicolas Cage was too busy to play Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. As much as I may like Cage, there was no way he could have done that and Viggo was infintely better for the part.


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#1 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:45 AM

We adopted a pupper! He's a very rare Doofus / Muppet mix (see Fig. 1). The vet burst out laughing when she first saw him.

He's loving, playful, child-safe, doing well with house training, sleeps the night, and quiet as a ghost (in a week he has seriously made no sound at all). The only issue is that he chews a lot, which I know is normal but still needs to be monitored.

Is it okay to select a special towel or blanket for him to chew? What if he swallows some of the dyes or fabrics? He's particularly fond of chewing our ex-dog's doggy bed, which I assumed would be safe but when I stick my fingers into the new hole he ripped it feels like there's fabric or nylon stuffing inside that he could swallow. I've looked up reviews of chew toys and there are always some saying "My dog managed to swallow some, my dog cracked his teeth"....

Any recommendations? Thanks for any help you can provide.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:15 AM

Get him some bull dick. It's like doggo crack and better for them than rawhide.

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#3 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:25 AM

That's a Google search that will go well...

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:57 AM

Since he is a puppy he is going to chew everything.  Having recently gone through this, and still am actually my dog is a prolific chewer, here are some of the things my dog likes.

 

First off, I would avoid the soft, plush toys with the squeeky things in them.  My dog destroys these toys in less then a few minutes trying to get at the noisemaker. 

 

What really works well for me are the hard chew toys and also cow hoofs.  They cow hoofs especially are great since they are cheap.  Bones also work well.  With both of these, make sure to monitor he status of the hoofs/bones, as they will get chewed down enough that they may become a choking hazard.  Just remove them when it does happen and replace with a new one.

 

Since your puppy is teething, her eis a really great trick that will help them.  Take an old washcloth, dampen it, and then put it in the freezer.  When it is frozen, then give it to you puppy.  The cold washcloth with help sooth the inflamed gums the puppy has from the teething.

 

Once last thing, since it is a teething puppy, expect it to go after furniture.  To counter this, you can get various sprays that will make the items non-palatable.  Bitter apple spray is a real popular one, for example.



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:45 AM

yay cute puppers! I've heard my vet recommend the KONG brand (non rubber) toys to dog owners. Chewy.com has a nice section of dog-safe toys as well and even will guide you with suggestions based on size/age.



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:00 PM

That's a cute dog. I also recommend deer antlers and the like. Rawhide can be bad for smaller dogs as the pieces can be swallowed and cause issues digesting with smaller dogs.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 03:46 PM

Don't give your dog anything to chew on that smells or feels like something you don't want them to chew on.

If you let your dog chew on sticks, expect your wooden furniture to get gnawed.

If you give them one of those knotted fabric ropes, expect fabric upholstry and possibly clothes to get chewed up.

If Dog has a stuffed toy, don't be surprised if he goes for someone else's stuffed toys too.

Vinyl squeaky toys? Kiss your Kaiju collection goodbye.
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Posted 10 December 2018 - 03:59 PM

Frozen towel and bitter apple spray are working - thanks for the great suggestions!

How many shots is it safe for a dog to get at once? My dopey bro is getting the rabies shot and distemper booster on Friday, I had thought while I was there I'd get the kennel cough shot too just to get it over with. But is 3 at a time too much?

We will probably skip the lepto shot. My in-laws' dog died the day he got that.

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 11:55 AM

I would check with the vet on the number of shots.  My dog tends to get hers in pairs, but you also have a puppy, and they do need a bunch of them.

 

Be ready for repeat visits for shots to the Vet.  How old is the dog btw, that also will effect things.



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Posted 11 December 2018 - 12:20 PM

7 months. Vet says 3 shots at once is safe, so I guess we're a go unless I get cold feet.

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 03:03 PM

So about that lepto shot: people are starting to warn me and guilt me over not doing it. Other dog owners here - what did you do? Did it have bad side effects?

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 04:06 PM

IT IS NOT!

 

Ironbite-GET YOUR ANIMAL VACCINATED!


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Posted 09 January 2019 - 04:26 PM

It should be okay to give the shot.  Talk with your vet about it.  They're more knowledgeable about the threats in your area.

 

Pets can have a reaction to the lepto shot.  In my case, the breeder said not to give the shot because of previous reactions in the blood line.  My vet has been okay with that. 

 

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 04:54 AM

Just be sure they don't mix it up with the Klepto shot or stuff might start going missing
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:35 AM

I don't think you should trust that doggo, its obviously Sideways.


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