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@  Hg Dragon : (01 March 2021 - 08:49 PM)

I'm upset I can't "Like" a shout...
@  TheMightyMol... : (28 February 2021 - 09:39 AM)

The US election? *rimshot*
@  Paladin : (28 February 2021 - 09:19 AM)

WHICH 2016 clown panic?
@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 February 2021 - 07:22 AM)

Didn't that come right after the 2016 clown panic? No way to make clowns not disturbing at the time, surely.
@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 February 2021 - 04:26 AM)

The clown guise is supposed to lure kids in, it's no good if it looks sus in one glance.
@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 February 2021 - 04:15 AM)

The new one tries too hard to be unsettling from the start. Curry's look is just a plain old clown, until he very much is not.
@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 February 2021 - 04:14 AM)

And Curry has a far more disturbing look at times than the newbie.
@  Sabrblade : (28 February 2021 - 02:22 AM)

And the original was a showcase of Tim Curry's delightfulness as an actor. 'Nuff said.
@  unluckiness : (27 February 2021 - 10:19 PM)

first one was a decent horror flick but the second was a mess plotwise and even the scares were worse
@  tigerhawk : (27 February 2021 - 04:57 PM)

Never understood the hype for the IT movies, too many floppy zombie chases, They're not in the least unsettling.
@  Maruten : (25 February 2021 - 06:00 PM)

It's better than the last one!
@  Steevy Maximus : (25 February 2021 - 11:30 AM)

The new Wizards of the Coast logo looks stupid
@  Steevy Maximus : (25 February 2021 - 11:29 AM)

It's really rather shocking watching the Investor Day presentation and seeing how much Hasbro actually owns now.
@  -LittleAutob... : (25 February 2021 - 10:26 AM)

If everyone had COMMON SENSE, then things would maybe go a little better-
@  repowers : (24 February 2021 - 05:33 PM)

If everyone would just have the exact same opinions as me then we wouldn't have this problem
@  Kalidor : (24 February 2021 - 01:49 PM)

It just depends on what it is. It is preferable to take it to P&R though. But sometimes current news as it's happening is less restrictive.
@  fourteenwings : (24 February 2021 - 12:18 AM)

Huh, good point (x3)
@  ▲ndrusi : (23 February 2021 - 11:46 AM)

Yeah. 1. People treat it like Twitter. 2. There's no "take it to P&R" since there's no P&R for the Shoutbox. 3. There's similarly no way to avoid either subjects or people in the Shoutbox since there's no division and it doesn't respect the ignore function, so people end up engaging when they normally wouldn't.
@  fourteenwings : (23 February 2021 - 10:56 AM)

Is there something about the Shoutbox that just means we get politics taking over the thing at least once a week?
@  wonko the sane? : (23 February 2021 - 08:26 AM)

At least your government is willing to talk about the collapsing medicare system. In quebec, their ignoring it in favour of talking about language again! Oh, and unconstitutionally denying access to eduction.
@  Shockwave 75 : (23 February 2021 - 07:52 AM)

At least here in my home province of Ontario we have a conservative gov't who doesn't want to cuz $$$$, but the argument is that they'll end up paying in medical care anyways for those sick people so why not?
@  Shockwave 75 : (23 February 2021 - 07:51 AM)

We have paid sick leave here in Canada too, but it's not very much and not everyone has it. So we're trying to get the gov't to extend it, and give it to everyone.
@  Nevermore : (23 February 2021 - 02:23 AM)

The only reason people still go to work despite being sick is because they feel emotionally obliged to serve their employer.
@  Nevermore : (23 February 2021 - 02:20 AM)

Some people abuse the system by somehow getting sick with a different plague every five weeks.
@  Nevermore : (23 February 2021 - 02:20 AM)

Those six weeks are out of the employer's pocket by legal mandate. If you're still sick after those six weeks, the health insurance company takes over the payment.
@  Nevermore : (23 February 2021 - 02:19 AM)

That's the good thing in Germany - we have legally mandated paid sick days. Six weeks (!) for a single cause (consecutive or recurring, as long as it's the same cause; reinfections long after the fact don't count), Everytime the employee gets sick with a new cause, another six weeks start.
@  tigerhawk : (22 February 2021 - 04:48 PM)

That's how my family got sick, my brothers a teacher, he has a class for expelled students, they gave full attendance these past few lockdowns out of sheer boredom, they can turn in sick and break isolation and he nor the other staff, who also got sick, couldn't do anything about it.
@  TM2-Megatron : (22 February 2021 - 03:03 PM)

Yeah, pretty sure the only reason people don't stay home when they're sick is that the vast majority of society lives paycheque to paycheque, and they can't afford even one missed day of work.
@  -LittleAutob... : (22 February 2021 - 11:27 AM)

That's unfortunate... I know masks can be annoying, but I think not being able to breath comfortably for a while is better than actually having the virus and not being able to breath at all. bUt Oh, pEoPLe dOn'T bELiVe ThE dAmN vIrUs Is rEaL
@  wonko the sane? : (22 February 2021 - 08:28 AM)

Hahahaha! Oh, you're serious. Yeah, no one is going to do that. Far too many are in positions where they simply cannot afford the time off, and most of the rest are the kind who won't wear the mask in a global pandemic, never mind when they alone have the sniffles.
@  Shockwave 75 : (22 February 2021 - 08:20 AM)

I just hope a take-away from this will be for people to stay home when they're sick, and if they have to go out, wear a mask so as not to spread their illness.
@  TM2-Megatron : (21 February 2021 - 08:25 PM)

I think it's mostly the masking that's kept the flu season down so much, and that's unlikely to be kept up for that long. I'm sure there'll be some people who keep wearing masks for years after this, but I suspect a larger number are anticipating people able to toss them once vaccinations are complete.
@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2021 - 05:27 PM)

Same in canada. Doctors report it to be basically non-existant. I kinda hope they keep some stuff up after everyone is vaccinated. Like hand sanitizer at store entrances, and actually cleaning the shopping carts.
@  tigerhawk : (21 February 2021 - 05:17 PM)

On the plus side cold and flu cases are down 80% this winter thanks to lockdowns, or at least that's the case in the UK.
@  Hg Dragon : (21 February 2021 - 04:37 PM)

This is quite possibly the most miserable i have ever felt.
@  Hg Dragon : (21 February 2021 - 04:37 PM)

i'll be nice and not bypass the cupcake monkey, but COVID can *bleep* itself in the *bleeping* *bleeper* with a *bleeping* cactus.
@  tigerhawk : (21 February 2021 - 02:39 AM)

He only appeared the once in the US comics and got one follow up in the UK comic. He never suffered badass decay like Omega Supreme and the combiners.
@  Rycochet : (19 February 2021 - 05:15 PM)

Trypticon's debut issues in the marvel comic were the absolute best 'To sell a toy' comics of the book.
@  tigerhawk : (19 February 2021 - 03:04 AM)

Then the audience goes "This was a stealth Transformers film wannit!"
@  tigerhawk : (19 February 2021 - 03:03 AM)

Godzilla vs Trypticon, co written by Christina Hobson and Max Borenstein.
@  Bass X0 : (19 February 2021 - 01:36 AM)

I now want G1 Grimlock to transform into Mecha Godzilla.
@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2021 - 04:23 PM)

I preferred Rush when Midway made it.
@  Bass X0 : (17 February 2021 - 03:13 PM)

The best Rush comes from Canada.
@  ▲ndrusi : (17 February 2021 - 02:54 PM)

In *other* wonderful and fantastic news, guess whose Kingdom Cheetor and Paleotrex FINALLY arrived today?
@  Bass X0 : (16 February 2021 - 03:07 PM)

yeah, its a good show. watch as much as you can.
@  tigerhawk : (16 February 2021 - 04:58 AM)

Goodnight Sweethearts turned out to be a gem, I only knew Nicholas Lyndhurst in Only Fools and Horses but never saw this show before.
@  Bass X0 : (15 February 2021 - 04:07 PM)

Then we got Ultra Magnus, Fortress Maximus, Dai Atlas, Megatron, Galvatron, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp and Banzai-Tron in Alternity...
@  Sabrblade : (15 February 2021 - 12:04 PM)

Heh, that new Binaltech comic that Ichikawa wrote for one of the Japanese Generations books even had the other Dinobots make fun of Grimlock for his "Autobot Car" body.
@  wonko the sane? : (15 February 2021 - 12:03 PM)

They got that rescue bot grimlock that turns into a motorcycle. That's... pretty neat...
@  Otaku : (15 February 2021 - 11:35 AM)

Just to make Grimlock feel more "wrong", they even highlight how his character just seems ill-suited for a sports car alternate mode in his own backstory.  Hindsight is 20/20, so I now wish they'd made a T-rex that transformed into a sportscar.  Still probably would have been as much or more of a pain to transform, but at least it'd feel more like Grimlock. :D

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Quick Wings Universe Question

Started by That One Guy, Dec 03 2018 10:52 PM
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#1 That One Guy

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 10:52 PM

Okay, so quick question (specifically for NightViper considering his extensive involvement with Fun Pub and the Wings Universe as a whole). If all major events of the G1 cartoon continuity happen in Wings Universe, does the reverse apply for the G1 cartoon continuity?

For example, since the Machine Wars happened in WU, and the two timelines are supposedly very similar, then would the Machine Wars as we saw them occur in the cartoon continuity, though slightly edited to avoid any continuity errors?

Probably a question of little importance to most, but it's a query that's been nagging on me for the last few days. Thanks in advance to any help given!

Edited by That ONE Guy, 03 December 2018 - 11:00 PM.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 11:19 PM

You're free to think it does, but nothing that outside the cartoon is going to be binding to anybody who wants to use the cartoon for their continuity.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 11:32 PM

The point of Wings Universe was to give the FunPub writers a place to play with G1 cartoon-esque stories without actually having to worry about tripping over Hasbro mandates and what have you, so probably not?

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 12:35 AM

If anything written in the Wings Universe is also automatically written into the G1 cartoon universe, then you might as well just say you're writing in the G1 cartoon universe to be begin with and not bother creating a new continuity at all.


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:46 AM

If all major events of the G1 cartoon continuity happen in Wings Universe, does the reverse apply for the G1 cartoon continuity?


Probably not.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 06:55 AM

Alright alright, point taken, stupid question. I was just curious, because the two continuities were described as very similar, so I wondered if all the broad strokes between them stayed the same (ei, major events like the Machine Wars).

As a continuity nerd, this is the stuff I ask myself when reading articles or statements from creators.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 07:42 AM

What's been said is correct, with or without the snark :p

 

The main motivation for Fun Pub separating Wingsverse from the G1 cartoon was because they didn't want to impact any of the previous writing and intents, without having the blessing of those that created the previous fiction. This was actually something very important to Pete Sinclair as an editor - he felt it disrespectful to change or rewrite or add to the previous stories if he knew that the new writing wouldn't have been what the original creative team would have put out. So, where he could, he opted to make the stories set in entirely new universes to completely get around the issue. Or new branches, like Classicsverse erupting out of and away from the Marvel comics. 

 

So shorter answer, no. The Wingsverse wouldn't reflect back on the G1 cartoon in any official mandate. If you'd like to add some of it to your own personal mega-canon though, I don't think we ended up making as many contradictions to the G1 cartoon as we thought we might have to (which was another reason why Wingsverse was made a distinct universe). 


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 11:25 AM

Ahh, okay, that clears things up. Now knowing the intent behind the decision, it makes things a lot clearer than at first.

In no official sense (this is, after all, just a series of forums and discussions), I think that the timelines being stated as highly similar indicates a mutual history of shared events, although of course that's simply personal canon. Thanks for the replies everyone, this has been quite useful.

Edited by That ONE Guy, 04 December 2018 - 11:25 AM.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 11:27 AM

Though, there are the Season 5 events of the cartoon that feature Powermaster Optimus Prime and Tommy Kennedy, which the Wings Universe seems to lack.


Edited by Sabrblade, 04 December 2018 - 11:28 AM.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 11:44 AM

Though, there are the Season 5 events of the cartoon that feature Powermaster Optimus Prime and Tommy Kennedy, which the Wings Universe seems to lack.

Okay, I've got to hear the explanation for this one. What happened in Wings that excludes season 5?

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 11:56 AM

Wings is to Sunbow as Marvel UK is to Marvel US.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 11:59 AM

Other than Prime not having his power master body (Wings is no stranger to switching bodies for characters), what exactly contradicts the Season 5 shorts?

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:55 PM

Also, for the sake of context, this topic was mainly created to see if events similar to (but not quite the same as) the Machine Wars and Hoist the Flag happened in the G1 cartoon continuity in a 'Not official' but still assumed sort of way. That continuity was my childhood, and thus I have a special attachment to it. Wings Universe lore offers a potential expansion to the lore of the cartoon, and thus is of great interest to me.

Plus, NightViper's mention of Prime and Galvatron likely entering J'nwan after the Machine Wars has got me hooked on all kinds of questions.

Edited by That ONE Guy, 06 December 2018 - 02:06 PM.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:10 AM

Well, as was said, the Wings Universe was created as a way for Fun Pub to play around in a world like the cartoon without affecting the world of the cartoon proper.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 03:59 PM

Yes, I understand the motives behind that decision now. My mega-continuity timeline is going to need rewriting after Beast Machines, however, as I had been using Hoist the Flag and the Tornado-Decepticon Saboteur entries as the continuation of the timeline. In light of the information gained from this post, I'll have to return to using the Universe War ending (which is a shame, I rather enjoyed Hoist the Flag).

Speaking of the Universe War, I have a question. Was it confirmed that the Maximal High Council bites it during the Culling? Some articles on TFWiki have mentioned it in passing, others not, and I can't find the actual source text anywhere.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 04:21 PM

Speaking of the Universe War, I have a question. Was it confirmed that the Maximal High Council bites it during the Culling? Some articles on TFWiki have mentioned it in passing, others not, and I can't find the actual source text anywhere.

 

That info comes from the profile for Optimus Primal printed in Issue #9 of the Transformers Collectors Club newsletter (before it became a magazine).


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 04:35 PM

Got it. Rip Magnaboss (I was enjoying the fact Prowl and Ironhide somehow returned from the dead yet again). Of course, perhaps this Magnaboss wasn't a combiner at all and that's limited only to IDW fiction, but that's just pure speculation.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 04:40 PM

Got it. Rip Magnaboss (I was enjoying the fact Prowl and Ironhide somehow returned from the dead yet again). Of course, perhaps this Magnaboss wasn't a combiner at all and that's limited only to IDW fiction, but that's just pure speculation.


Don't forget: the Magnaboss members being the famous G1 veterans is only definitely true in IDW Beast Wars and "Dawn of the Predacus", however obvious of an interpretation it might be. In Beast Wars: Uprising, eagle Silverbolt is his own individual, and in the original toy bio continuity, it is ambiguous. As for 3H continuity, I suppose you would have to ask those creators what they thought.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 04:48 PM

Very true. If I had a dollar for every time TF lore was ambiguous...

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 05:44 PM

Said creator who put Magnaboss on the High Council in the 3H fiction was Simon Furman, who was also the author of the IDW Beast Wars comics that made Magnaboss's components into the Maximal Elders, so make of that what you will.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.
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