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[That One Guy]

Okay, so quick question (specifically for NightViper considering his extensive involvement with Fun Pub and the Wings Universe as a whole). If all major events of the G1 cartoon continuity happen in Wings Universe, does the reverse apply for the G1 cartoon continuity?

For example, since the Machine Wars happened in WU, and the two timelines are supposedly very similar, then would the Machine Wars as we saw them occur in the cartoon continuity, though slightly edited to avoid any continuity errors?

Probably a question of little importance to most, but it's a query that's been nagging on me for the last few days. Thanks in advance to any help given!

Edited by That ONE Guy, 03 December 2018 - 11:00 PM.

[Creedence]

You're free to think it does, but nothing that outside the cartoon is going to be binding to anybody who wants to use the cartoon for their continuity.

[Locoman]

The point of Wings Universe was to give the FunPub writers a place to play with G1 cartoon-esque stories without actually having to worry about tripping over Hasbro mandates and what have you, so probably not?

[Kil]

If anything written in the Wings Universe is also automatically written into the G1 cartoon universe, then you might as well just say you're writing in the G1 cartoon universe to be begin with and not bother creating a new continuity at all.

[NotVeryKnightly]

If all major events of the G1 cartoon continuity happen in Wings Universe, does the reverse apply for the G1 cartoon continuity?

Probably not.

[That One Guy]

Alright alright, point taken, stupid question. I was just curious, because the two continuities were described as very similar, so I wondered if all the broad strokes between them stayed the same (ei, major events like the Machine Wars).

As a continuity nerd, this is the stuff I ask myself when reading articles or statements from creators.

[NightViper]

What's been said is correct, with or without the snark

 

The main motivation for Fun Pub separating Wingsverse from the G1 cartoon was because they didn't want to impact any of the previous writing and intents, without having the blessing of those that created the previous fiction. This was actually something very important to Pete Sinclair as an editor - he felt it disrespectful to change or rewrite or add to the previous stories if he knew that the new writing wouldn't have been what the original creative team would have put out. So, where he could, he opted to make the stories set in entirely new universes to completely get around the issue. Or new branches, like Classicsverse erupting out of and away from the Marvel comics. 

 

So shorter answer, no. The Wingsverse wouldn't reflect back on the G1 cartoon in any official mandate. If you'd like to add some of it to your own personal mega-canon though, I don't think we ended up making as many contradictions to the G1 cartoon as we thought we might have to (which was another reason why Wingsverse was made a distinct universe). 

[That One Guy]

Ahh, okay, that clears things up. Now knowing the intent behind the decision, it makes things a lot clearer than at first.

In no official sense (this is, after all, just a series of forums and discussions), I think that the timelines being stated as highly similar indicates a mutual history of shared events, although of course that's simply personal canon. Thanks for the replies everyone, this has been quite useful.

Edited by That ONE Guy, 04 December 2018 - 11:25 AM.

[Sabrblade]

Though, there are the Season 5 events of the cartoon that feature Powermaster Optimus Prime and Tommy Kennedy, which the Wings Universe seems to lack.

Edited by Sabrblade, 04 December 2018 - 11:28 AM.

[▲ndrusi]

Though, there are the Season 5 events of the cartoon that feature Powermaster Optimus Prime and Tommy Kennedy, which the Wings Universe seems to lack.

Okay, I've got to hear the explanation for this one. What happened in Wings that excludes season 5?

[Broadside]

Wings is to Sunbow as Marvel UK is to Marvel US.

[That One Guy]

Other than Prime not having his power master body (Wings is no stranger to switching bodies for characters), what exactly contradicts the Season 5 shorts?

[That One Guy]

Also, for the sake of context, this topic was mainly created to see if events similar to (but not quite the same as) the Machine Wars and Hoist the Flag happened in the G1 cartoon continuity in a 'Not official' but still assumed sort of way. That continuity was my childhood, and thus I have a special attachment to it. Wings Universe lore offers a potential expansion to the lore of the cartoon, and thus is of great interest to me.

Plus, NightViper's mention of Prime and Galvatron likely entering J'nwan after the Machine Wars has got me hooked on all kinds of questions.

Edited by That ONE Guy, 06 December 2018 - 02:06 PM.

[Sabrblade]

Well, as was said, the Wings Universe was created as a way for Fun Pub to play around in a world like the cartoon without affecting the world of the cartoon proper.

[That One Guy]

Yes, I understand the motives behind that decision now. My mega-continuity timeline is going to need rewriting after Beast Machines, however, as I had been using Hoist the Flag and the Tornado-Decepticon Saboteur entries as the continuation of the timeline. In light of the information gained from this post, I'll have to return to using the Universe War ending (which is a shame, I rather enjoyed Hoist the Flag).

Speaking of the Universe War, I have a question. Was it confirmed that the Maximal High Council bites it during the Culling? Some articles on TFWiki have mentioned it in passing, others not, and I can't find the actual source text anywhere.

[Sabrblade]

Speaking of the Universe War, I have a question. Was it confirmed that the Maximal High Council bites it during the Culling? Some articles on TFWiki have mentioned it in passing, others not, and I can't find the actual source text anywhere.

 

That info comes from the profile for Optimus Primal printed in Issue #9 of the Transformers Collectors Club newsletter (before it became a magazine).

[That One Guy]

Got it. Rip Magnaboss (I was enjoying the fact Prowl and Ironhide somehow returned from the dead yet again). Of course, perhaps this Magnaboss wasn't a combiner at all and that's limited only to IDW fiction, but that's just pure speculation.

[SHIELD Agent 47]

Got it. Rip Magnaboss (I was enjoying the fact Prowl and Ironhide somehow returned from the dead yet again). Of course, perhaps this Magnaboss wasn't a combiner at all and that's limited only to IDW fiction, but that's just pure speculation.

Don't forget: the Magnaboss members being the famous G1 veterans is only definitely true in IDW Beast Wars and "Dawn of the Predacus", however obvious of an interpretation it might be. In Beast Wars: Uprising, eagle Silverbolt is his own individual, and in the original toy bio continuity, it is ambiguous. As for 3H continuity, I suppose you would have to ask those creators what they thought.

[That One Guy]

Very true. If I had a dollar for every time TF lore was ambiguous...

[Sabrblade]

Said creator who put Magnaboss on the High Council in the 3H fiction was Simon Furman, who was also the author of the IDW Beast Wars comics that made Magnaboss's components into the Maximal Elders, so make of that what you will.