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@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.


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Posted 27 November 2018 - 01:37 AM

Rules are simple you get on this soap box simply state your Opinion and walk away

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 01:48 AM

Paladins is better than Overwatch.

FF 7 is worse than Final Fantasy XIII.


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Posted 27 November 2018 - 02:34 AM

Wind Waker is still a terrible game.


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Posted 27 November 2018 - 03:38 AM

Chrono Trigger is overrated.

 

Chrono Cross is misunderstood and is actually a great game, but Trigger fanboys can't accept it as a sequel because it doesn't fit their vision.


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Posted 27 November 2018 - 03:51 AM

I kinda like microtransactions.

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 06:54 AM

The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind is wildly overrated.The main quest is dry and 75% exposition, and your character skills literally don't matter a single bit because within a few hours you'll have amassed the fantasy equivalent of a Iron Man suit that can allow you to do whatever you want anyway.



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Posted 27 November 2018 - 06:56 AM

undertale was overrated and overhyped.


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Posted 27 November 2018 - 07:26 AM

I still like menu-based combat.

The original 8-bit Zelda and Metroid games are still fun and I don't find the maps confusing at all (Except Death Mountain).

I got lost far more easily in Metroid 2 than I ever did in Metroid 1.

While I do think Ocarina of Time and Star Fox 64 are still great games and I'm glad they got a 3DS update, I can't think of a single N64 game whose graphics aged well, except maybe Killer Instinct Gold.

I wish Killer Instinct could go back to Nintendo. I miss it, but I'm not buying a damn MS machine just for it.
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 07:35 AM

Does anyone actually think the N64 graphics have "aged well" in any instance? I mean, some games look better than others but that was the case when the games were new.



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Posted 27 November 2018 - 07:36 AM

Chrono Trigger is overrated.
 
Chrono Cross is misunderstood and is actually a great game, but Trigger fanboys can't accept it as a sequel because it doesn't fit their vision.

Chrono Cross is a bad game and only gets the praise it does due solely to its name and graphics/sound.

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 07:50 AM

Does anyone actually think the N64 graphics have "aged well" in any instance? I mean, some games look better than others but that was the case when the games were new.


I haven't actually heard anyone defend N64 graphics. But I pretty much just crapped on an entire generation of video games (maybe not the games themselves, but at least the graphics), so...I guess I was hoping it was an unpopular opinion. Because if the majority actually agrees with me on this point, that makes me sad.
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 08:03 AM

I loved Ecco the Dolphin on Dreamcast



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Posted 27 November 2018 - 08:11 AM

The Game Cube controller was horrible for any game not made by Nintendo.
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 08:19 AM

Risen 2 is a better game than Risen 1.

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 08:38 AM

Hybrid Heaven was the best game for the N64 and it's sad that it was a third party game on such a crappy console since that means it'll never see re-release/remaster on a modern system.



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Posted 27 November 2018 - 09:35 AM

Does anyone actually think the N64 graphics have "aged well" in any instance? I mean, some games look better than others but that was the case when the games were new.

 

Ill chime in on this

 

Games I still like on the 64 and think the graphics still work

 

Mario 64

Rush 2 and 2049

KI Gold

Mischief Makers

Zelda OoC

Mario Kart 64


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Posted 27 November 2018 - 10:25 AM

Mostly Halo-related, but:

 

"Classic Halo" gameplay is stale and should be left to the past where it belongs.

 

Halo Reach was Bungie's best Halo game.  CE had a good campaign, but 2 and 3 didn't take off until you left Earth. Reach managed to get everything right.

 

Halo 4 is an excellent game, and had a great multiplayer (that's more fun than Halo 3).

 

The Battle Rifle being the only viable weapon in multiplayer is never a good idea.

 

Non-Halo:

 

FFX and FFXII are the best of the "modern" Final Fantasy games.

 

Kingdom Hearts was boring. 

 

Witcher III was also boring and had terrible controls.

 

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 11:40 AM

Not that I want to get too far on a N64 graphics tangent...but what the hell! I have time before lunch. Let me go through my entire N64 library, play a level each and grade on graphics, control, would I still play. No particular order:

Mortal Kombat Trilogy:
Graphics: Good, probably because they're 2D instead of poligonal
Controls: Actually pretty good. Having block and run between the kicks and punches is something I have to get over since I've gotten used to Duel-Shock controls. But still, pretty good.
Would I still play: Since I have arcade perfect ports of MK 1,2 and Ultimate 3 on the PS3, not likely. But this is still a very playable game.

Golden Eye:
Graphics: Ugly as hell
Controls: Just can't even. Seriously, strafing is crap, aiming is crap... I just can't even.
Would I still play: No. It was great back in the day. Lots of college dorm memories. But I just can't even.

Perfect Dark:
Graphics: Better thanks to the Memory Expansion. Still not great, but less headache inducing at least.
Controls: Same as Golden Eye, but aim assist helps a LOT. I was able to get through a level.
Would I still play: No. Make a remake or sequel with updated controls (and get Rare away from MS) and we'll talk.

Beast Wars Transmetals:
Graphics: Oh my eyes! My poor poor eyes!
Controls: Uh, you call these controls? I can’t control shit!
Would I still play: Hell…no!

Star Wars Shadows of the Empire:
Graphics: Hoth - Dated but not terrible. Not great, but not terrible. Ground Levels - Pretty. Not as bad as some others on this list…but still pretty bad.
Controls: Hoth - Pretty solid actually. Ground Levels - Bad. Strafing works, but badly. I usually prefer a third person view. But the controls are obviously meant for first person…and even then, Doom controls more solidly.
Would I still play: Hoth level, sure. Ground levels…no.

Ocarina of Time:
Graphics: Pretty bad. Before today, I would’ve said headache inducing. The only reason I’m giving it half a break now is because I’m seeing some of these other games that, heaven help me, are actually far worse. But I still can’t look at it for long. Thank goodness for the 3DS remake, because I love this game, but no amount of nostalgia goggles is going to get me to say these graphics are good.
Controls: Actually still pretty damn solid. I’d actually put them up against some of todays Zeldas.
Would I still play: On the 3DS, definitely. On the N64…eh…this is hurting my eyes.

Majora’s Mask:
Graphics: Better thanks to the Memory Expansion. But still pretty ugly.
Controls: Also very solid.
Would I still play: I didn’t get the 3DS version just because the thought of going through all that again is intimidating. I got through it the first time. But I remember a bunch of this game just being a slog to get through. But based on graphics and controls alone…yes to the controls. The graphics do kinda give me a headache.

Super Smash Brothers:
Graphics: Holy crap this is…this is just terrible. Terrible. Wow! Just…just wow!
Controls: Also pretty crap. And maybe it’s just me having gotten used to what Smash Bros has become ever since Melee onward. But…no. Just…no! It’s slow as hell and I can barely play passably well with my mains!
Would I still play: I actually have played this a bit along with WiiU Smash in preperation for the upcoming Switch Smash. But if I were to go entirely by the criteria I’ve been judging the other games by…no.

Donkey Kong 64:
Graphics: Memory Exansion makes it not the worst ever. Still not getting a pass from me. Constant camera movement hurts the eyes though. Lack of camera control makes it frustrating to do anything.
Controls: Not bad. Not as tight as the Donkey Kong Country games. But very passable.
Would I still play: Camera more than the actual graphics makes it too headache inducing.

Star Fox 64:
Graphics: This is where I show you I can be fair. 8 and 16 bit sprites are pretty timeless. Even though graphics have improved, 2D sprites never grow old. But to be fair, no 64-bit polygons are going to hold up to the sheer processing power of today. But this…I can give this one a total pass. To be honest, I was thinking this would be another “looks like crap here but the 3DS remake makes it look good.” But no. This actually looks really good on its own merits. I can unconditionally give this one a pass.
Controls: Solid as ever. Even on the N64 controller, it just works.
Would I still play: I have the 3DS version that usually sates any Star Fox appetites. But this one actually does play good enough and looks good enough…yes, I could easily play this still even today.

Killer Instinct Gold:
Graphics: Look pretty awesome actually. I can totally give this one and easy pass. Easily one of the best looking ones I’ve played today (aside from Mortal Kombat that only looks good because it’s sprite based). It’s actually pretty easy on the eyes as far as 64 games go.
Controls: Holy crap it’s been so long I’ve completely forgotten how the combo system works. I’m getting my ass kicked! But that really just me being rusty as hell. If I could learn the system again, the controls look pretty solid and responsive.
Would I still play: If I could relearn the combo system and “git gud” I think I really actually would like to try and get back into this…yes.

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 01:06 PM

Mega Man how many times have we tried to play you and I just get bored and sold you off

 

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Mega Man (plus X series) is boring


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Posted 27 November 2018 - 01:35 PM

Microsoft's entry into the console marketplace and push to bring the PC gaming experience to the livingroom TV will be what kills console gaming in the end as they've eroded much of the uniqueness of the platform.



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