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@  TM2-Megatron : (04 December 2019 - 10:22 PM)

Still not the weirdest thing a Nic Cage character has done in a film

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 04:00 PM)

Couldn't be worse than him pissing fire as Ghost Rider.

@  Rycochet : (04 December 2019 - 03:38 PM)

The Tim Burton Superman Movie is the DC movie we deserve. It would have Nic Cage in a technosuit punching polarbears.

@  Paladin : (04 December 2019 - 02:59 PM)

Wonder Woman was great. Shazam was amazing. Aquaman... exists.

@  RichardT1977 : (04 December 2019 - 01:54 PM)

TBF, Aquaman and Shazam! were pretty good.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 01:00 PM)

Not a difficult feat.

@  Benbot : (04 December 2019 - 11:50 AM)

You just put more effort into telling a compelling story than all of WB's execs.

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:41 AM)

Cue the flashback to Jonathan, reassuring a terrified child: "What you are is never as important as who you are." Cue Superman's response to Brainiac: "I already know who I am."*John Williams fanfare plays*

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:38 AM)

I don't think we even really need to see Krypton. I'd start with Clark growing up in Kansas, thinking he's normal, and follow him through the development of his powers. There've been enough alternate takes on Krypton that it could actually work as a mystery; is this the pre-Crisis utopia, the sterile science world, or the relic of a fallen empire? Brainiac was there, and he tempts Clark with the knowledge of what he really is.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:12 AM)

First, a Krypton film, ending with baby Kal-El being found on Earth.  Then Supe's early career film, establishing his values... and if Jonothan Kent needs to die, it happens because of something like a heart attack while Clark is savnig folks on the other side of the world.  After we know Clark minimizes property damage and never kills, have Zod & Company show up and force him to make tough choices.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Man of Steel seems like someone came up with a Superman trilogy and then the execs said "We've got to catch up to Marvel, make it one film!".  I don't mean that based on the film's actual pacing, but because various story beats make more sense to me if they weren't all squished together.

@  Cybersnark : (03 December 2019 - 07:44 PM)

I've been wanting to write a Superman movie trilogy for years; "Man of Steel" (featuring a Terminator-like Brainiac) was going to be first, with "Last Son of Krypton" (featuring the Eradicator) as the sequel and "Man of Tomorrow" (in which Luthor makes his face-heel turn) as the conclusion. Thanks to Snyder I have to re-arrange my titles.

@  Nevermore : (03 December 2019 - 06:15 PM)

I still wish "Man of Steel" had instead been an adaptation of both the John Byrne miniseries of the same name and the Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale miniseries "Superman For All Seasons".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (03 December 2019 - 04:42 PM)

A take I just read: Man of Steel is shot with such a lack of lighting that it is easier to discern what is going on in a porn film.

@  Maximus Ambus : (03 December 2019 - 12:20 PM)

Making Soylant is harder then it looks, it's not like the movies, you have to keep whacking and hacking at the ingredient, it'll scream and fight, maybe bite but eventually it will go down.

@  Paladin : (03 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

varies from person to person.

@  Benbot : (03 December 2019 - 11:34 AM)

It's an acquired taste

@  CORVUS : (03 December 2019 - 11:17 AM)

Soylent? Its pretty awful.

@  unluckiness : (03 December 2019 - 02:49 AM)

Depends on your denomination of Christianity

@  Patch : (02 December 2019 - 05:52 PM)

@Benbot Do they have a soy-free version? Like maybe just "Lent?"

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 02:03 PM)

Just occurred to me 'Autobot' Megatron happened in Target 2006.

@  Benbot : (02 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

have you tried Soylent? It's pretty good! https://soylent.com/

@  Paladin : (02 December 2019 - 10:01 AM)

i prefer free-range human usually. pain in the ass to hunt though...

@  TheMightyMol... : (02 December 2019 - 09:42 AM)

If your human is all bones, you may have purchased a skeleton by accident. Contact your grocer to inquire about exhange policies.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 09:31 AM)

Vegans are categorised as human therefore just fall under Soylant, they are usually all bones.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:47 PM)

Cause... that latter one is technically all burgers anyway.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:46 PM)

So... a burger made without meat, or a burger made with the meat taken from a vegan?

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 December 2019 - 04:22 PM)

I had a vegan burger last week, this week I'll give a vegan steak a shot.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

a proper paradox would have broken the board. Nice try though.

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 November 2019 - 01:47 AM)

This shout is empty.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (30 November 2019 - 12:01 AM)

I've got the admit. tubi tv is great. It's got a lot of stuff.. Including Super Sentai.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There is frankly no better place to (legally) find schlock on the internet for free than Tubi TV

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:33 PM)

It's got all the graphic violence and gratuitous nudity a late 80s OVA should have.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

Available for free with ads on Tubi TV.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

It's "Goku: Midnight Eye". Originally produced in the late 80s, it apparently wasn't dubbed until the late 90s given Steve Blum was the lead.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 06:38 PM)

The description makes it sound like some high grade, mid 80's shlock. Which, frankly, is my groove.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

Was wondering how long it would take someone to ask.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 09:58 AM)

okay, it's been like two days so far: what anime is this, cause I'm dying to know.

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 November 2019 - 09:23 PM)

You know you're in for a good time when an old anime starts with a crime lord uses roller skates in his cybernetic legs to skate down the side of the building, launches to a dock and into a getaway boat.

@  Pinkcolliebot : (26 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Hey Everyone I'm Making The TF Roll Out Short "Gotta Go Fast!"

@  Benbot : (26 November 2019 - 12:52 PM)

That's what I was hoping for. But here I am, at work the following day.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

You say "die in bed" and I'm thinking "why is that a problem?".

@  fourteenwings : (26 November 2019 - 07:06 AM)

If you don't get out of bed ever your muscles will lock in super-uncomfortable ways and you may get blood clots

@  MEDdMI : (25 November 2019 - 08:53 PM)

You did nothing, and so rocks fall down and you die.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 November 2019 - 08:35 PM)

But that's not you doing something, that's something being done to you.

@  MEDdMI : (25 November 2019 - 08:28 PM)

Unless a meteor crashes down on your bed while you're in it.

@  wonko the sane? : (25 November 2019 - 07:08 PM)

I've been trying for the last few hours to find an argument to counter this... and I can't do it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 November 2019 - 03:32 PM)

The most dangerous thing you can do is get out of bed in the morning. Everything else that happens is a consequence of that one terrible, terrible decision.

@  wonko the sane? : (25 November 2019 - 03:28 PM)

Driving, by itself, is dangerous. Anything done to compromise the concentration of the pilot just makes things worse.

@  Benbot : (25 November 2019 - 12:46 PM)

Actually, I think you could make a reasonable argument for saying driving with glasses is dangerous. That is, more dangerous than driving with contacts or perfect vision. You have poor peripheral vision with glasses.


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#1 Jalaguy

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 07:17 PM

Discuss the issue here!

If you don't want to wait for comiXology et al, it's available already via the IDW website:

http://www.idwpublis...mers-unicron-6/

#2 Wildwade

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 08:39 PM

Spoiler



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Posted 13 November 2018 - 08:42 PM

Spoiler

 

very good


 

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 08:56 PM

Over ten years ago, Transformers Armada's penultimate episode asked a question

 

 

 

"How foolish to battle in the name of peace...how absurd. You were programmed for war, Optimus. Without it, you would be just another Autobot. You are exactly the same as Galvatron, only you claim your objective is for peace. How does engaging in war translate as peace?"

 

This has long been one of my favorite Unicron stories, for asking a question, in its own spottily dubbed, targeted-towards-children anime way, that questioned the very idea of what Transformers are. And while that series told a story about Unicron manipulating Cybertron to his own ends and "Transformers Unicron" instead depicts events where Unicron is itself a victim screaming out for retribution, I can't help but feel shades of the former story, and the driving question that so challenged its Optimus Prime.

 

"Unicron" brings all of Cybertron's sins home to roost, and forces its characters to ask if they can live in a world without hatred, without the sins of the Primes, and even the cost of fighting back with hate, anger, and hatred. Too many stories all too easily to speak as if all hatreds are equal, that fighting back against oppressors will make you the very thing you oppose. But "Unicron" is more honest, in that Optimus acknowledges his sins and the rage and pain at everything Unicron has lost is valid, that his hatred and desire for justice is just as justified. But retribution is not found in perpetuating the cycle, and neither is it found in letting those same people who played a part in tragedy to continue shaping the future ahead.

 

This isn't about Lost Light, but I can't help but compare what ultimately became of Soundwave and Optimus to how that book handled Megatron. Throughout that book, Megatron was looking to others to decide his fate, to tell him if he deserved redemption. In the end, he accepts judgement and a fate decided for him. In the case of Optimus and Soundwave, who have played just as much a part in the cycle of conflict, who are just as complicit in the atrocities that are part of Cybertron's history, it's not about redemption or forgiveness. It's about leaving everyone else to decide, to give them a future. They lose everything to give the universe a future, and to put the dead to rest. Killer, victim. Prime. Cybertronian. Human. Even the Chaos Bringer himself.

 

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This oft cited exchange comes to mind, because it's evocative of Optimus's final fate. It is the question he ultimately asks about himself. Where Megatron is about whether the galaxy can forgive him, Optimus instead decides that his time has past. That the only thing that can grant atonement is to live and die for the future you want to create, and to destroy the past you regret.

 

In the end, characters like Slide, Pyra Magna, Arcee, Skywarp, Thundercracker - they have to live with what they've done and any evil or misjudgments they've made. Windblade now has to lead a disparate collection of societies on a planet that sees them as invaders. There is goodness in imperfect things now, just as there was once dark things in their past. No one who has blood on their hands can simply sacrifice themselves as Optimus and Soundwave did. The legacies of the Primes and Cybertronian expansion will never truly disappear, just as the impact and memory of human wars, prejudice, and injustice will never vanish either. This is not about defending the unjust or demonizing the freedom fighters, it is about finding out what to do when the war is at an end, the revolution is over, and the old ghosts have been put to rest.

 

Ultimately, Armada came to a very different conclusion, but one that serve as parallels. In the end, Megatron decided to cut himself free, knowing that there was no place for him on Cybertron. Optimus Prime, his opposite number across different continuities made that same decision. Where Armada's hopeful future was ultimately undone by the, this is effectively the end of the IDW continuity we've had for a decade now, with only the coda of Optimus Prime #25 remaining. Of course, I'm not so naive as to think this was intentional, it's just an interesting connection I've noticed in my own reading, that resonates on account of them existing at opposite ends of my journey as a Transformers fan.

 

I don't know what IDW will do next with the Transformers license, but as a finale tho this saga, "Unicron" does not disappoint. Bravo, John Barber. Bravo.


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Posted 13 November 2018 - 09:50 PM

I guess the Maximals being super-ugly Pretenders with a confusing origin didn't really amount to anything.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 11:03 PM



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Posted 13 November 2018 - 11:32 PM

I not gonna read the comic anyway after what I saw ewwww



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Posted 14 November 2018 - 12:57 AM

I not gonna read the comic anyway after what I saw ewwww

 

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 12:59 AM

 

I not gonna read the comic anyway after what I saw ewwww

 

Well, you sure have found yourself in a funny location, haven't you?

 

 

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 01:23 AM

oh man i can't wait for unicron #7 



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Posted 14 November 2018 - 01:29 AM

oh man i can't wait for unicron #7 

There’s no unicron #7



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Posted 14 November 2018 - 01:32 AM

There are many, many things about this issue I loved, but right now, for some reason, this really does it for me. = ]

 

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 01:39 AM

is it bad



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Posted 14 November 2018 - 04:09 AM

I'd already gotten teary-eyed from Ironhide's last words, but Soundwave's splash page just instantly wrecked me. Floods of tears.

And speaking of that splash page, there's a very noticeable omission. Can't help but wonder if that'll come up in OP #25...

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:27 AM

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:37 AM

And speaking of that double-page spread, Salmons getting to be Action Man too was such a sweet little moment.

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:38 AM

oh man i can't wait for unicron #7 

 

Yeah, that black hole is gonna give everyone on Earth memory problems and then the Autobots are gonna have to go searching for the Cyber Planet Keys on all the Cybertronian coloni-  oh.  Oh.



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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:39 AM

Was there any particular reason why Rung was front and center in Soundwave's memories? Or was that just supposed to be, like, the equivalent of God beckoning him into the light?

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:43 AM

I don't think that was Soundwave's memories? I think it was just "those who have died before".


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 05:45 AM

Yeah, he was using the Enigma to channel the sparks of all who had come before, so as to empower Optimus from afar.



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