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@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:21 PM

I'm hoping for the same thing. If I remember right the dub was pretty good. Hikaru threw me off a bit. Since his voice wasn't as deep as the Japanese version.

The DX VF-1 Strike Parts sold out very quickly too. After people assured me that it would be days before it would happen. :/


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Posted 08 June 2019 - 04:21 PM

Speaking of the adv dub. I was looking on youtube to see uf any episodes were still on it and, while i didn't find any. No surprise i guess.

I did find an old english dub of MOSPEADAs first episode. Its certainly different.




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Posted 08 June 2019 - 06:12 PM

Despite now having the full 90's VHS collection of ROBOTECH, as well as at least 3 sets of the DVD releases, I regret only getting the first 2 disks of Macross when ADV brought it out.  At the time, Best Buy was known for carrying the collected box sets later, and quickly putting them on clearance, so I decided to wait.  Then forgot about it.  


It looks like back in 2014 there was an Amazon.com release that had ROBOTECH as well as the ADV sub and dub of Macross in it, so missed out there, too. 


Vic did throw me off as well, as I had been so used to Tony Oliver as Rick, and while neither are deep voices, they are definitely distinct. 


Dunno, though.  I would PROBABLY try to watch a dub of Macross 7 if it ever came out, but I fear that, even with my favorite voice actors, I would still despise the two main characters and have that annoy me throughout...

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 01:39 PM

i remember having some vhs of macross saga in the late 80s. they were from fhe (family home entertainment). they were edited to hell and back, and then edited again for good measure. id say at least half of the series was cut out and it seemed to focus on the war part of the show. as an example, the episode "a rainy night" had only the first and last 5 minutes of the episode (possibly even less). everything with roy and claudias younger days was axed. it was ridiculous and a waste of money. had i known they were chopped up so much, i wouldnt have gotten them

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 02:15 PM

I rented those very same VHS back in the 90's from my local video store. I quickly saw they were edited as stuff I remembered from the broadcast versions were missing, but at the time I didn't complain as it was the 1st time I could watch most of Macross.

Back in the day the only local channel that played it aired it at noon when I was at school and no VCR so I only caught an odd episode on days when I was home sick.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 06:14 PM

Hmm... What;s this?



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 07:11 PM

That's... interesting. In an ominous kind of way.

I mean, at this point i'm just mentally repeating to myself. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HG, JUST GIVE UP AND LET IT GO ALREADY!



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:55 PM

Eh, unless they announce some sort of new agreement with Taksunoku (which I don't see as likely given how contentious things have been between them), I don't think anybody cares.


Any anime they MIGHT have access to is likely well expired or not worth the fight.  They haven't made any significant production efforts in over a decade.  Their reputation has been garbage even longer, so I don't see ANY company willing to work with them.


Of course, they could blindside us all and announce a new agreement to bring Macross out in the states with assistance from Harmony Gold.

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Posted 15 June 2019 - 05:30 AM

Wow. I'm surprised to see HG willing to even discuss this, so I'm sure they have something dreadful up their sleeves.


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 02:47 PM

Yeah I can't tell if this is distressing or not.

Like it could be a last minute cash grab of Blu Ray releases of Robotech.

Some sort of ill conceived plot to continue Robotech without the Tatsunoko shows.

Or something far more sinister. "We don't care what Tatsunoko says, we own this stuff forever and will fight of extradition in our heavily armed bunker!"

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 01:31 AM

Welp! Came across a listing for the ADV slimdisc boxed set of Macross over the weekend for 200$ U.S. and pulled the trigger.
It hurt me in the wallet as the Canadian dollar is pretty weak at the moment, but I've been obsessing over finding the dub for a while now so I'm pretty happy.

Now I just have wait for it to cross the Atlantic to get to me (seller was in Manchester)

Of course you know that because I bought this it means a macross blu ray will be announced the day before I get it so... YOU'RE WELCOME EVERYBODY!

Edited by Dave Zero1, 23 July 2019 - 01:31 AM.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 08:01 AM

Wow is the ADV set worth that much really? Makes me glad I got mine back in the day below retail when I was working at B&N

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 12:58 PM

Well, it's hard to pin down an average, as its really rare to come by, the only other seller I found was on a Mexican craigslist who was asking the equivalent of 300$, oh and then there's this nonsense.


But speaking realistically, It's a cult series with the novelty of an english dub with one of the original Japanese Actors, this coupled with its scarcity pretty much means you can name your price.


Who knows, I may even have gotten it on the cheap at 200$ 

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 11:04 PM

Here it is for $35 bucks. Same version I have. Great quality, dub is all there, subs if you want them. I think the dub is pretty great. Get your $200 back and buy this.


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Posted 24 July 2019 - 07:37 AM

Ooh, found that on ebay uk. I might jump on that myself!



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Posted 24 July 2019 - 10:22 PM

I'm happy with my big blue protoculture boxset ..which I see is the ADV one people might be talking about... I honestly couldn't remember who put it out

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Posted 27 July 2019 - 12:55 AM

Grew up with Robotech. Found Macross 2 and Plus during college. Then nothing. Heard about others. My friends hated 7, except to laugh at how terrible they thought it was. Macross 2 had the excellent mk 2 model kit that I still enjoy (bought another one 10 years ago to replace the one that got destroyed in the divorce). Built models in maya. Oddly, the last one I built was the VF-1. Even the VF-0 from Macross 0 got built and animated first.


I was originally going to build all of them, but there are just way way, wayyyyy too many valkyries out there now.


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Posted 24 October 2019 - 01:27 AM

So Amazon Prime not only has the entire Robotech series for streaming**, they also have subtitled versions of the original 3 animes that it came from. I've been sampling some here and there just to see what they were like.


The first big difference is the music. Robotech's background music, on the whole, is so. much. better. Most of the original music is either random Jpop ballads, or else generic music roughly on part with the Headmaster series -- it exists only to tell you that this is a heroic moment, or a tense moment, but it does so in the most absolutely tepid way possible. It doesn't make you feel it.


The worst moment I've run across so far was in Genesis Climber MOSPEDA, during "Hired Gun" ("Arpeggio of Murder") where the gang encounters the guy that got experimented on by the Invid and is now hunting down soldiers. The entirety of the episode's tense, murderous climax and conclusion is scored with a peppy-chill lounge jazz song that, while enjoyable on its own, has absolutely no relationship to anything happening on screen, and actively sucks the drama and emotion out of the scene.


The second big difference is in the scripting. American anime dubs are rightly stereotyped as filling every single second of screen time with characters jabbering away where there was no dialog in the original, and Robotech is no exception. The Japanese, on the other hand, have a thing for really long and inexplicable silences -- as if staring at Lunk or Rook's face in silent closeup for ten seconds will suddenly give us insight into what they're thinking. This is one area where I wish we could split the difference.


Robotech generally wasn't afraid to look death in the eye, but it still flinched sometimes. The worst and most obvious case is, again, from Genesis Climber. After Colonel Wolff has turned against his Invid allies and been killed, we see a huge squad of Invid troops looming over the town he was protecting. The Regiss gives a ridiculous voiceover about how despite this defeat, their agent will infiltrate the humans and finally allow them to defeat them, and we fade to black.


From the action on-screen, it is glaringly obvious that the Invid are about to annihilate the entire town and murder everyone in it. Sure enough, the original features ominous silence and the oblivious laughter of the doomed townspeople.


"Hired Gun" again provides a moment of ridiculous re-scripting by the American writers. Rook feeds us a bunch of whiffle about how Dusty is suddenly a hero because he pushed her out of the way and shot one Invid before being annihilated. In the original, there's barely any dialog, but certainly nobody eulogizes the guy for being a hero. It's all the more inane when you discover that the dub script changes Dusty's motivation -- he isn't killing his friends who he thinks abandoned him; he's trying to kill 100 soldiers because the Invid said they'd restore his body if he did. The X's on his arm represent 10 soldiers each; he's close to his goal.


A third point is how the original series explains some strange incongruities from Robotech. Not just the obvious ones, like how New York City is still standing, but the more weird ones, too -- like where did those three old soldiers and their ancient spaceship come from? Genesis Climber explains it: the first attempt to liberate Earth was 30 years ago. Scott's force was the second. It also makes clear that he's not the sole survivor; many others touched down all over the globe, which is where all those soldiers wandering around have come from.


Original-voice Annie is annoying. Original-voice Dana is incredibly annoying.


In general I approve of the name changes, but why did Jim need to become Lunk, and Ray become Rand?


** This version, unfortunately, has been "digitally remastered" which means a ton of crappy sound effects were slathered on top of it to "take advantage of" surround sound or whatever. And I do mean a TON. The original, distinctive sound effects are almost buried under this wall of scratchy vague noise.

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Posted 24 October 2019 - 06:52 AM

Meanwhile, UK Amazon Prime has... just the Shadow Chronicles. Although you can watch Macross II if you pay for it. We certainly don't have subs of Macross or the others.



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