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@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 November 2019 - 06:33 AM)

So that's why I never get invited anywhere.

@  Otaku : (05 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

@Bass X0 Are we talking about the quality of the costumes or their subject matter?  The former is a natural result of cosplay growing less and less niche over the decades.  The latter isn't new; mass produced stuff is at least as old as you or I and are we sure no one dressed as a cowboy or astronaut or whatever in the 1950's?  Monsters weren't allowed at certain parties, strange as it sounds. XP

@  Benbot : (05 November 2019 - 12:23 PM)

is the quick reply broken for anyone else or is it just me?

@  Pinkcolliebot : (05 November 2019 - 11:30 AM)

Announcement! TF Roll Out Short Gotta Go Fast! Storyboard in the works! Green lit Real Soon.


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#1 SHIELD Agent 47

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:01 AM

Happy 36th birthday to Macross!

 

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What fond memories do you have of this magnificent metaseries that gave us Generation 1 Jetfire?


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 01:00 AM

What fond memories do you have of this magnificent metaseries that gave us Generation 1 Jetfire?

 

Robotech.



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Posted 03 October 2018 - 02:06 AM

Only macross i saw when i was a kid was clash of the bionoids. Story made zero sense but my god the animation! The opening shot of the macross and the valks and all that detail blew my eyes. It was amazing. Even more so when you realize it was all done by hand. No cgi to be seen

Animation-wise, that movie had yet to be topped, at least in my opinion. Granted, the amount of anime ive seen is miniscule compared to whats available nowadays

I finally saw macross maybe 10 or so years ago? Whenever adv did the dub with mari iijima. Other than the name changes and a few story details being changed (supervision army, protoculture), i never saw much difference between macross and macross saga :p


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 03:45 AM

I've still never watched any of the original Macross, which is weird because I've loved every other (canon) series. Delta, in particular, was a show that pushed pretty much all my buttons when I really needed something to distract me from the 2016-ness of 2016. I didn't come to Macross at a time for it to be formative for me, but love giant robots, I love shows about The Power Of Music, and planes are cool, so it's a franchise that'll always get my attention.
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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:41 PM

Macross II.  You're not canon now, but I still love you.  Even with the weird floating Macross head at the end.  You gave us the VF-II and VF-2JA* and those are two pretty, pretty jets (*going with Palladium's name here). 

 

I never finished Macross 7 before it got pulled from Youtube.  I wish I had.  My fansubs stopped at, uh, episode 12 or so way back when.  Right during the Protodevlin Vampire attacks.  Still, you gave us Fire Bomber and that hasn't been topped yet.  Also "The Galaxy is Calling Me," with the great "Heart & Soul" duet at the end. Ooh and Dynamite 7.  Such a great OAV.

 

I've been going through Frontier again. Still haven't made it to Delta.  I guess that's one I'll have to poke around for, since there are no official distribution channels (yet). 

 

I wish I still had a VCR to watch my copies of DYRL. Poor tapes have probably crumbled at this point.

 

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 01:02 PM

Love SDF Macross, Macross: DYRL, and Macross Plus.  My first exposure (outside of possibly some Robotech - as a kid I found too boring) was Macross II when it was first released.

 

Got interested in Macross (prior to Macross Plus coming out but after II) via old VHS tapes of Robotech my cousin had.  I was around 13 at the time (in the early to mid 1990's) and could appreciate the story more than my 5 year old self could.

 

I've seen some of 7 and the subsequent films / movies stemming from that.

 

Saw the first episode of Zero (didn't get to watch the rest).  Because of Harmony Gold's stranglehold on anything Macross, I haven't really seen anything that was made after Plus and 7.  Which is a shame to me.

 

Have all the Macross 7 Trash manga.  Have all the reissue 1/55 Valks as well as some Yamatos.  Had some of the Plus stuff that was released in the late 90's too, as well as many figurines.  I've seen Mari Iijima perform and had my photo taken with her.  I've seen Yoko Kanno perform too.

 

Just got this beauty in the mail.  Haven't had time to fiddle with it yet.

 

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 01:28 PM

Have all the Macross 7 Trash manga.  Have all the reissue 1/55 Valks as well as some Yamatos.  Had some of the Plus stuff that was released in the late 90's too, as well as many figurines.  I've seen Mari Iijima perform and had my photo taken with her.  I've seen Yoko Kanno perform too.

 

I've got the first Yamato YF-21.  I skipped the YF-19 and VF-11 because there were QC problems at the time.  I think I remember those early Yamato toys crumbling right out of the box.  Kind of wish I had gone for the VF-11, because Valkyrie toys got super expensive in the intervening years.

 

I don't have any "official" VF-1s outside of one of the 1/100 Toynami releases (which also has quality issues).  I do have the green VF-1J knock-off from way, way, way back when. Never did own a G1 Jetfire.

 

I've got the originals of both the YF-19Kai Fire Valkyrie and the VF-17D Nightmare.  Picked them up in the mid/late 90s.

 

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 02:03 PM

I had the Yamato YF-21 (like you) and the VF-11.  The VF-11's leg joint shredded over time.  I think I glued it.  I may have eventually thrown one or both away.  Either that or their in storage with the other Yamatos.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 02:11 PM

Macross II. You're not canon now, but I still love you.  Even with the weird floating Macross head at the end.

 

I wish I still had a VCR to watch my copies of DYRL. Poor tapes have probably crumbled at this point.

 

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i still have my vhs tapes of those as well. dyrl is still the crappy dub but its the proper version of it as it shows hikaru ALIVE after destroying boddole zers ship (i always assumed he died in the cotb version). picked it up a few years ago. i saw "few", but its probly been 20 years now lol

 

macross II i like due mainly to haruhiko mikimotos charater designs and the music. mikimotos people are GORGEOUS. i especially like how he does eyes

 

ive often thought of taking my vhs of dyrl to walmart and have them put it on dvd, but they want $20 to do it. i also want to take my original, unspecial editioned star wars triliogy vhs tapes and put them on dvd too


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 02:48 PM

I had the Yamato YF-21 (like you) and the VF-11.  The VF-11's leg joint shredded over time.  I think I glued it.  I may have eventually thrown one or both away.  Either that or their in storage with the other Yamatos.

 

I had mine out a few months ago.  Transforming it was iffy.  I was certain something would break - more than the usual bits that pop off - but it held together.  Probably its last go-round, though.  I'm not sure I want to risk it falling apart on me like some of my other toys (*looks at Revoltech VF-1J*).  Still does make a good fighter, even with the ugly underside. 

 

 

ive often thought of taking my vhs of dyrl to walmart and have them put it on dvd, but they want $20 to do it. i also want to take my original, unspecial editioned star wars triliogy vhs tapes and put them on dvd too

 

 

Will Walmart do copyrighted stuff?  I might find that worth it for my copies of DYRL, Flashback 2012, and Love, Live, Alive.  Assuming the VHS hasn't fallen apart (and that I still have them, now that I think about it). I'm still disappointed that the "Robotech" version of Love, Live, Alive didn't include the original.

 

The Macross II Movie DVD is still pretty cheap on Amazon.  Macross Plus, not so much. I'm guessing that'll change in a few years though, once whatever is going to happen with HGUSA happens.

 

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 04:52 PM

My first experience of Macross that wasn't Robotech was Macross Plus. It was and is amazing. And the aerial battle at the end is just beautiful.

Caught the last part of Macross II on an Anime Sky channel at some ungodly hour of the early morning. It was pretty good and weird.

Managed to watch most of the ADV SDF Macross dub on youtube, but could never buy them since their prices skyrocketed on Amazon and then they disappeared. Bummer. Managed to watch Clash of the Bionoids and a pretty ok fandub of DYRL on youtube too. I keep looking for subs of series like Frontier or Delta or Zero, but i keep missing them.

Would to get even one of the dx chogokin Valks, but by god are their prices to rich for my blood.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 04:59 PM

With me, I had heard vague details over the years about the Japanese sci-fi franchise Macross , its U.S. ripoff adaptation Robotech by that one satanic company, and how it spawned Jetfire in Transformers. Then in 2015 I saw a teaser for the upcoming Macross Delta and decided to check it out. That in turn prompted me to look at Macross Frontier. And boy do I love Frontier!

 

My favorite single scene: the climax of the second Frontier movie, featuring the eponymous "Sayonara no Tsubasa" .

 

 

Just got this beauty in the mail.  Haven't had time to fiddle with it yet.

 

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 05:16 PM

 

I had the Yamato YF-21 (like you) and the VF-11.  The VF-11's leg joint shredded over time.  I think I glued it.  I may have eventually thrown one or both away.  Either that or their in storage with the other Yamatos.

 

I had mine out a few months ago.  Transforming it was iffy.  I was certain something would break - more than the usual bits that pop off - but it held together.  Probably its last go-round, though.  I'm not sure I want to risk it falling apart on me like some of my other toys (*looks at Revoltech VF-1J*).  Still does make a good fighter, even with the ugly underside. 

 

 

ive often thought of taking my vhs of dyrl to walmart and have them put it on dvd, but they want $20 to do it. i also want to take my original, unspecial editioned star wars triliogy vhs tapes and put them on dvd too

 

 

Will Walmart do copyrighted stuff? 

 

 

i did think of that as well. guess i could ask em next time im there


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 05:47 PM

I'mma just leave this here:

 

 

Also, your reminder that Nikki Basara saved the space whales from space whalers by proving that they're sentient by getting them to sing along with him:

 

 

(Gamlin's face at 5:48 is priceless)

 

(Basara is the best.  His parents told him music could move mountains...So he sang at the mountains for training.)


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 06:01 PM

You know, the YF-19 is still one of, if not my favourite Valkyrie designs. I think its the forward sweeping wings. It just looks cool!

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 06:45 PM

Macross is kinda an oddity for me, it helped get me into anime, yet "helped" me out of one aspect of anime.

 

Back in the mid 90's when I was first getting into anime (due to Ronin Warriors and Teknoman), Clash of the Bionoids was one of the first things I rented at Blockbuster, followed later by Macross II, then buying Macross Plus later.  The Robotech VHS were widely available at the time, and, knowing of the connection between Macross and Robotech through years of reading Wizard magazine and the like, I got hooked into Robotech.

 

I got a copy of DYRL VHS later, and accidentally paused it during the frame or two near the end where one of the Macross missiles is replaced with a Budweiser can.  That was quiet amusing when we saw that.

 

I did get one of the Yamato VF-1s (that had the removable legs to transform, otherwise a good figure) and a VF-19 that was a sky blue in color, not the original version.  That was cool, but the paint scraped off during transformation...

 

Now to the bad influence, Macross 7.  I watched the fansubs (which I paid for) with my friend, did not like the characters, music, plot (mostly the plot - saving the universe with music that I don't care for), and still is one of the only series where I wish the main characters were killed off.  I can actually trace my subbing of subtitles straight back to my experience with it.  But to each their own.

 

On a happier note, while I was in Japan earlier this year, I picked up the DX Chogokin SV-262Hs Draken III.  I have only opened it, and not transformed it (do not have room to display for the moment). I do very love the mecha designs of the series, overall much more than the Gundam series.

 

And I really wish I had bought all the Macross DVDs back when ADV redubbed it, only got the first few.  Was strange hearing Vic Mignogna instead of Tony Oliver, though.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 07:24 PM

There's nothing more 90s than piloting a fire red transforming mecha with a guitar.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 10:06 PM

Great stuff everyone. :)

Telly, I had thought that Hikaru had died at the end of Clash of the Bionoids too. Since you never see him after and Minmay and Misa's conversation almost seems like he may have. :doh

Good thing I saw DYRL shortly after.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 05:19 AM

I think Macross 7 might still be the one Macross show i know of, but have never seen any of.

Oh yeah, just had a quick look at dx chogokin Valks on Amazon. Here in the uk, they are anywhere from £190 to £750 or more. Its crackers.

The ADV Dub was pretty good. I'd like to think if HG does, finally, lose their iron grip on things. We might see that get a rerelease, along withnew dubs of Macross shows. One can dream.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 11:22 AM

Yeah, they're insanely priced because they're nearly impossible to get a hold of first-hand.  





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