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@  Benbot : (20 November 2018 - 06:54 PM)

We're not actually back, this is all a dream.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 November 2018 - 06:12 PM)

It was, we're just humoring you.

@  Arazyr : (20 November 2018 - 02:17 PM)

I was wondering if that was just me...

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 November 2018 - 02:01 PM)

And we are back after that round of Forum downtime.

@  Pennpenn : (20 November 2018 - 06:30 AM)

Feels like it's been so long since there's been a proper storm that I've been awake for. This one even has pink lightning, which always great.

@  Pennpenn : (20 November 2018 - 06:22 AM)

So long as he has an R by his name. Even if the R is for "Recepticons"

@  Nevermore : (20 November 2018 - 06:18 AM)

Sadly, my first reaction was "And I'm sure way too many people would seriously, unironically really vote for the blatant bad guy and still cheer at him while he's slaughtering the masses because they saw him on TV and he's cool."

@  Nevermore : (20 November 2018 - 06:17 AM)

Someone over at TFW2005 just discovered an old photo of political campaign signs, with one saying "Vote Megatron! Global Domination."

@  Paladin : (19 November 2018 - 07:02 AM)

let's be real. at this rate we're not lasting until 2075.

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 November 2018 - 06:34 AM)

The rest of the world may build a wall around the US in 2075.

@  Nevermore : (19 November 2018 - 05:53 AM)

Tell an conservative conspiracy maniac that women are literally the Satan's spawn out to infect humanity with the gender virus that will turn everyone into communist Muslims who eat children, and they will be like, "Well of course! That makes perfect sense!"

@  Nevermore : (19 November 2018 - 05:49 AM)

It's evidence of Poe's Law.

@  Nevermore : (19 November 2018 - 05:48 AM)

The world is insane.

@  Nevermore : (19 November 2018 - 05:48 AM)

Geeez, I just read a story about a liberal satire Facebook page that would publish absolutely outlandish, ridiculous made-up conservative propaganda, stuff so absurd nobody with half a brain could take it seriously... and conservatives are taking it at face value.

@  Pennpenn : (19 November 2018 - 02:27 AM)

Oh don't make me go talk to Peter Dutton. My week has been painful enough as it is...

@  Telly : (18 November 2018 - 09:13 PM)

he cant leave quarantine until he talks to the king of the potato people

@  Pennpenn : (18 November 2018 - 01:03 AM)

Debateable. It's a sunday anyway. Wonder if I'll still feel up and ready to go tomorrow. Don't want to take too many days off leading up to the end of the year.

@  MEDdMI : (18 November 2018 - 12:01 AM)

@Pennpenn hooray! Now you can leave quarantine.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 November 2018 - 08:58 PM)

The national tour is currently in Raleigh-Durham.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2018 - 06:29 PM)

Ok, feeling much better now.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 November 2018 - 06:20 PM)

Is hamilton playing in hamilton?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 November 2018 - 03:34 PM)

Maybe the show in the city?

@  wonko the sane? : (17 November 2018 - 01:21 PM)

To the show or the city?

@  The Doctor Who : (17 November 2018 - 11:01 AM)

Niiice!

@  RichardT1977 : (17 November 2018 - 10:48 AM)

My mom won two tickets to Hamilton!

@  wonko the sane? : (17 November 2018 - 09:46 AM)

Welp, good morning so far. My brother helped me get my sister in law's christmas gift, and reminded me I still had to get my mom's calendar for next year.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2018 - 08:22 AM)

Oh yeah, feeling feverish. What fun.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 November 2018 - 10:07 PM)

My father used to ask his boss that question. Then he STOPPED asking, and got used to twiddling his thumbs. Made things so much easier, and didn't actually change how his bosses thought of him.

@  Nevermore : (16 November 2018 - 07:31 PM)

So of course you wait until the end of your shift like everyone else, THEN you walk up to the manager on duty and ask him what you're supposed to do during the requested overtime.

@  Nevermore : (16 November 2018 - 07:30 PM)

Fun: The employer allows (paid) voluntary overtime, cannot backtrack on the permit, and before the regular end of your shift, you notice you're rapidly running out of work.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 November 2018 - 06:27 PM)

Fear is a state of mind.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 November 2018 - 06:25 PM)

Did you just assume my sociopolitical status?

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2018 - 06:13 PM)

Oh stop being such a pack of drama monarchs!

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 November 2018 - 06:11 PM)

Too late. They can smell your fear.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 November 2018 - 04:10 PM)

Nobody say anything and you'll be safe from the mob.

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 November 2018 - 03:41 PM)

It used to be

@  Arazyr : (16 November 2018 - 02:05 PM)

I would agree.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 November 2018 - 01:15 PM)

I say yes, but I imagine many would disagree with me.

@  Paladin : (16 November 2018 - 12:34 PM)

settle a bet: is "drama queen" a gender-neutral description?

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 November 2018 - 08:38 PM)

Sounds like management is the same everywhere :p

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 November 2018 - 08:12 PM)

My bosses are too busy trying to see if they can have their heads up their own asses while still being able to kiss the asses of everyone above them. It'd be amusing to watch if I wasn't one of the ones trying to get everything done to cover for it.

@  Nevermore : (15 November 2018 - 07:05 PM)

He's living by the standard "bow to those below you; kick at those above you. You got more people below you than above you."

@  Nevermore : (15 November 2018 - 07:04 PM)

Whenever we go on strike, he's there with us. He told me that this is the only completely legal way for him to show his own bosses the finger,

@  Nevermore : (15 November 2018 - 07:03 PM)

Well, this guy has been getting flak from above, it's just that he doesn't care. He's doing what he thinks is right. He's easily the smartest of my superiors, and also the one with the biggest balls.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 November 2018 - 05:24 PM)

Must be nice, having a boss that cares.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 November 2018 - 01:03 PM)

Indeed.

@  Echowarrior : (15 November 2018 - 11:58 AM)

That's a good superior.

@  Nevermore : (15 November 2018 - 06:21 AM)

Arguing in my favor that I was working under sub-par conditions, there were problems with sudden halts of the conveyor and other issues that affected my productivity, and besides, why was this guy giving a feedback to one of HIS subordinates, wich was his job?

@  Nevermore : (15 November 2018 - 06:19 AM)

Also, yesterday he stood up for me when a superior from the department I was sent to was giving me a productivity feedback.

@  Nevermore : (15 November 2018 - 06:19 AM)

So this week all of my superiors save one guy are absent, and I'm not noticing a difference. Which says a lot about this guy.


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#1 Jalaguy

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 05:20 PM

Discuss the issue here!

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 05:05 AM

Well that explanation for information creep is hugging bullshit.


 

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#3 Locoman

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 05:30 AM

Okay, so we're edging ever closer to the Quintesson reveal, right?
"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 06:06 AM

Well that explanation for information creep is hugging bullshit.

 

Meh. Why?

 

I'm not sure it was necessary - information creep being an inevitable effect of entropy was fine and there's plenty of established fact that Cybertronians don't remember the distant past very well. But that having had a jolt at one point in particular as part of information warfare doesn't feel especially wrong either.

 

Art was better this issue. It actually felt like there was a planet sized robot tearing things up. Another huge exposition dump, but I'm afraid that's kind of inevitable given the sudden move to bring the book to a close one season early. But it was far from clear if Adaptus/Pharma is actually dead, and a lot of things stop making sense if he is.

 

I did like that Primus always looked like Rung, and had just been mythologised. 



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 07:57 AM

Did...Tyrest and Adaptus just...turn into dust?  Wow.

 

It was...interesting, to say the least, and I chuckled at some of the character interactions, but some of this stuff just feels...kind of unnecessarily convoluted and disconnected from the narrative, I guess?

 

The Omega Guardians live in another dimension, talk through the Magnificence, which is Epistemus, and they want to... eat everything?  What?


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:19 AM

Callum has suggested the distressingly plausible possibility that that's the last we're going to see of the Omega Guardian plot thread. It would be a very MTMTE thing to have the higher-dimensional cosmic manipulators defeated by just smashing the thing they're using to manipulate people.

 

But that would also be terrible and would make me so absurdly angry.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:29 AM

I think that the idea that information creep isn't natural, but instead caused by an emp blast from 10 million years ago is exceedingly stupid

 

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:47 AM

Okay, so we're edging ever closer to the Quintesson reveal, right?

 

No? What indications are there that Quintessons have anything to do with any of this? 



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:04 AM

 

Okay, so we're edging ever closer to the Quintesson reveal, right?

 

No? What indications are there that Quintessons have anything to do with any of this? 

 

 

There have been a lot of longstanding motifs associated with Quintessons relating to Lost Light's mytharc, and every time people's theories for what they were get disproved they move them on to the "next step up" of the mystery.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:08 AM

what

(at the summary on TFWiki, not any of the posts in this thread)

Edited by ▲ndrusi, 05 September 2018 - 09:08 AM.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:11 AM

I can think of a couple ways for the Quintessons to still be involved.

 

The Omega Guardians used to be Quintessons before they ascended!

The Omega Guardians used proxies other than the Magnificence, including the Quintessons!

The Quintessons created the Guiding Hand in the first place!


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#12 ▲ndrusi

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:16 AM

Here's how Bernie can still win.

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:39 AM

Id much rather the lost light was fighting Unicron with everyone else then doing whatever it is youd call this issue.

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:53 AM

It would have been better to completely leave out those go-nowhere six panels about Omega Guardians. So that means they DIDN'T find Epistemus? And... would that even matter since who gives a shit about the non-Rung GH anyway?

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:56 AM

The Quintessons created the Guiding Hand in the first place!

 

I suppose I can see this one. At this point it would feel like a pointless Big Reveal that exists for it's own sake rather than relating to the actual story. But. Well. Yeah.

 

 

Id much rather the lost light was fighting Unicron with everyone else then doing whatever it is youd call this issue.

 

The fact that they're not involved in the Unicron story but they're still fighting a giant planet-sized Transformer threat to the whole universe anyway sure is a thing that IDW editorial let happen.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:56 AM

Well that was a bunch anticlimactic villain deaths.

Seems to be a theme for this arc.

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 10:38 AM

I HAVE to believe that this is just another case of independent plot ideas naturally leading down to the same path, because two groups of mythological figures not actually being what people thought but still warring amongst each other in the name of Cybertronian expansion just seems WAY too coincidental.

 

And I still don't know what the purpose of Rung's ALTERNATE mode is. Does he have to be in that form to create Matrixes (Matrices?), but as a robot he can only cough up photonic crystals?

 

I fully expect Rodimus to say "Now light our darkest hour" when opening his Matrix during the final assault on Not-Primus. I wonder if Megatron will wield one, too.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 10:56 AM

This has actually come up in a few places, way back in issue 3 Skids asked Swerve about the Lost Lights mission and Swerve jokingly replied:

"We’ve got to find the 12 fragments of the Primal Key, unlock the Infinity Gate, travel sideways in time, defeat the Agents of Chaos, and restore order to the multiverse."

It's been noted these events have been happening under different names.

 

 

Also I can't help but think Roberts intended for Cyclonus to kill Whirl only, situation and emotionally reversed from how he originally fantasized.I also expected there to be some mystery to Thunderclash, like he'd be a fraud of some sort, maybe he's no different to Pharma, a living corpse being controlled by another party.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 11:42 AM

People in this issue are just standing around figuring things out and being precisely correct about their deductions.

 

The amount of revelations here is just overwhelming. So now the Magnificence is actually the form of Epistemus which now is possessed by Omega Guardians from the Higher Realms which just got squashed by Nickel. Sheesh.

 

I'm guessing Roberts had a lot of other ideas he wanted to use before the universe was to end, but it would've been better had he left them out instead of breathlessly cramming them all in.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 12:11 PM

I HAVE to believe that this is just another case of independent plot ideas naturally leading down to the same path, because two groups of mythological figures not actually being what people thought but still warring amongst each other in the name of Cybertronian expansion just seems WAY too coincidental.

 

And I still don't know what the purpose of Rung's ALTERNATE mode is. Does he have to be in that form to create Matrixes (Matrices?), but as a robot he can only cough up photonic crystals?

 

I fully expect Rodimus to say "Now light our darkest hour" when opening his Matrix during the final assault on Not-Primus. I wonder if Megatron will wield one, too.

I'm certain it's just Roberts screwing about not paying attention to other stories.


 

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