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@  Donocropolis : (23 February 2019 - 01:17 PM)

The only thing we've learned so far is that 1 out of 10 doesn't really seem to mind that much.

@  Patch : (23 February 2019 - 12:17 PM)

Alien walls.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (23 February 2019 - 11:15 AM)

Aliens.

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 February 2019 - 10:22 AM)

walls.

@  Donocropolis : (23 February 2019 - 09:18 AM)

SAUSAGES!!

@  CORVUS : (23 February 2019 - 01:13 AM)

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEERADICATOR!

@  RichardT1977 : (22 February 2019 - 11:21 PM)

And don't piss him off, because he'll tell Haruhi who he is and reboot the universe.

@  Bass X0 : (22 February 2019 - 03:22 PM)

Take care of the John Smith who will shake up the world!

@  RichardT1977 : (22 February 2019 - 08:32 AM)

I see I'm not the only one who's watched a lot of Kids in the Hall...

@  Donocropolis : (22 February 2019 - 06:33 AM)

"You can't pay too much for a good pair of shoes"

@  RichardT1977 : (21 February 2019 - 10:56 PM)

Thirty Helens agree.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 February 2019 - 09:41 PM)

People forget the whole phrase. It's "Great minds thing alike, but fools rarely differ."

@  Nevermore : (21 February 2019 - 08:49 PM)

The German version is very straightforward: "Two idiots, one idea."

@  Nevermore : (21 February 2019 - 08:49 PM)

English: "Great minds think alike".

@  Nevermore : (21 February 2019 - 08:49 PM)

Here's an example of a phrase that's charmingly positive in English but self-deprecating in German:

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Turns out the basic figures in the transformers siege line are basically minicons, and my sister is back in the hospital for another psychotic break. It's been an emotional day, and it's not even 1 pm yet.

@  Pennpenn : (21 February 2019 - 12:27 AM)

Maybe, or maybe it'd be more like wood? Y'know, bashing each other with planks.

@  Ashley : (21 February 2019 - 12:23 AM)

Wouldn't pillow fights be like slapping each other with meat?

@  unluckiness : (20 February 2019 - 11:54 PM)

RODO ROLLA DA

@  MEDdMI : (20 February 2019 - 11:14 PM)

they hit each other with full sized vehicles

@  Nevermore : (20 February 2019 - 08:18 PM)

Also, do Softmus Prime and Slumblebee engage in pillow fights?

@  Nevermore : (20 February 2019 - 08:16 PM)

Feathertron?

@  MEDdMI : (20 February 2019 - 08:34 AM)

@Penn Megadown, maybe?

@  Nevermore : (20 February 2019 - 05:38 AM)

The kernel.

@  Nevermore : (20 February 2019 - 05:37 AM)

Who gives the orders in cyberwarfare?

@  Pennpenn : (20 February 2019 - 03:16 AM)

I wonder what Megatron would end up in that context?

@  Sabrblade : (19 February 2019 - 09:21 PM)

It's not "Optiplush"... it's "Softimus Prime"

@  Ashley : (19 February 2019 - 08:19 PM)

I've got the two plushes from the first movie, they're great

@  Shrug : (19 February 2019 - 08:00 PM)

Still have mine, although Optiplush Prime is kind of discolored

@  Shrug : (19 February 2019 - 07:59 PM)

They came out around the time of the first movie with the big merch push, but they were distinctly G1 and everything else wasnt, IIRC

@  Trpodeca : (19 February 2019 - 04:51 PM)

Take another shot Wonko.

@  Trpodeca : (19 February 2019 - 04:51 PM)

prime the lost season

@  wonko the sane? : (19 February 2019 - 01:41 PM)

I did not even know those things were a thing. I guess they didn't do very well cause they didn't make more of them.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 February 2019 - 01:25 PM)

Pfft, Hasbro did that 12 years ago with Slumblebee and Optiplush Prime

@  Xellos : (19 February 2019 - 12:37 PM)

Well, this past Christmas I did see licensed plush Transformers that went from their robot to vehicle mode by turning inside out just like popples.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 February 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Why DIDN'T transformers make plushes ala popples?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Design in mixed media and make him out of actual flannel.

@  Lancer : (18 February 2019 - 09:24 PM)

Make his fur a red and black flannel pattern

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2019 - 09:10 PM)

Bonus points if you can work in a red and black flannel pattern on his chest plate.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2019 - 09:09 PM)

Might as well make it cliched. Lumberjack moose male and aristocratic deer female.

@  TriBlurr : (18 February 2019 - 08:16 PM)

Or their aristocratic deer.

@  TriBlurr : (18 February 2019 - 08:10 PM)

Thinking of making a pair of moose Transformer OCs, male and female. Thier a lovey dovy pair of lumberjacks

@  Paladin : (18 February 2019 - 06:56 PM)

they also have NOTORIOUSLY poor protection on their servers. do NOT keep a credit card on file there.

@  Telly : (18 February 2019 - 04:48 PM)

i just checked my past tfsource orders, and theres no sales tax charge

@  Arazyr : (18 February 2019 - 11:16 AM)

They haven't (yet, at least) on the stuff I currently have in my Stack. Haven't had them ship anything for a while, though, so I don't know if they will when I do...

@  Benbot : (18 February 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Does TFSource charge sales tax?

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2019 - 09:47 AM)

That's because, once upon a time, the people whom owned the animals weren't the people whom butchered them. So the pig was owned by a saxon who spoke english, but butchered by a french speaker. So a pig got cut up into PORC chops.

@  unluckiness : (18 February 2019 - 03:25 AM)

Hank Pym<<<< Hank Hill

@  PlutoniumBoss : (18 February 2019 - 01:28 AM)

In that case, I don't see anything wrong with English speakers calling it what it is in English. Even though we technically use the French words for what comes out of it. "Beef", "pork"...

@  Bass X0 : (17 February 2019 - 02:04 PM)

I’d like a Siege Thundercracker who has his regular blue colors Cybertronian jet mode which transforms into a robot mode with his Action Master colors. Looks like it could be possible.


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#1 Jalaguy

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 05:19 PM

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 07:30 AM

Are the little gazelle creatures in Gimlet's flashback also supposed to be sentient, do you think?
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 07:45 AM

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 07:53 AM

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?


Jazz was sent to Earth as a scout, ahead of the rest of the infiltration unit. It was established in OP #8 and his Sourcebook profile, IIRC.

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:07 AM

 

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?


Jazz was sent to Earth as a scout, ahead of the rest of the infiltration unit. It was established in OP #8 and his Sourcebook profile, IIRC.

 

 

I think that came from an off-handed comment from Costa's run too, which again shows what kind of insane attention to detail Barber has.

 

I liked this, despite not really caring overmuch about the colonist recruits.  Mainframe and Gimlet's deaths were given the appropriate weight and I enjoyed the backstory of some of the colonies.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:17 AM

Gotta be honest... I wasn't too fond of this one. On top of hating "can you all just calm down and talk to each other" plots, the cutesy Prips visuals really didn't mesh with how bleak the story was.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 11:10 AM

Wow, an issue where the main characters were flashbacks.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 01:06 PM

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?

Ironhide sent Optimus a priority pulse wave, as shown in Infiltration 3 and Stormbringer 1 informing him that the Decepticons were entering Siege Mode. It's not revealed that Ironhide actually requested him to come to Earth in that, so there was plenty of wiggle room.

 

Anyway, I didn't care for this issue very much. I'm not terribly fond of how the flashbacks were incorporated and Slide is just a black hole that sucks all the joy out of the comic any time she's in it. Having a comic that featured him prominently was not fun.

 

I also felt like this issue was trying to directly equivocate the colonization of Devisiun with what's happening on Earth and I just don't see it. Sure, Optimus Prime erected a city and it's considered sovereign Cybertronian land, but like, it's no more colonizing Earth in this sense than an embassy is colonizing another country. I think the exploration of Optimus being totalitarian and expansionist is cool and all, but it would probably work better if Optimus ACTUALLY seemed expansionist and totalitarian rather than abusing his power to prevent other people from being expansionist and totalitarian. :/

 

I'm re-reading IDW's run as this continuity ends, so maybe this might make more sense to me when I'm able to read it in a few sittings rather than month by month.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 01:57 PM

Anyway, I didn't care for this issue very much. I'm not terribly fond of how the flashbacks were incorporated and Oiler is just a black hole that sucks all the joy out of the comic any time he's in it. Having a comic that featured him prominently was not fun.

 

Slide. She.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:04 PM

 

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?

Ironhide sent Optimus a priority pulse wave, as shown in Infiltration 3 and Stormbringer 1 informing him that the Decepticons were entering Siege Mode. It's not revealed that Ironhide actually requested him to come to Earth in that, so there was plenty of wiggle room.

 

Anyway, I didn't care for this issue very much. I'm not terribly fond of how the flashbacks were incorporated and Oiler is just a black hole that sucks all the joy out of the comic any time he's in it. Having a comic that featured him prominently was not fun.

 

I also felt like this issue was trying to directly equivocate the colonization of Devisiun with what's happening on Earth and I just don't see it. Sure, Optimus Prime erected a city and it's considered sovereign Cybertronian land, but like, it's no more colonizing Earth in this sense than an embassy is colonizing another country. I think the exploration of Optimus being totalitarian and expansionist is cool and all, but it would probably work better if Optimus ACTUALLY seemed expansionist and totalitarian rather than abusing his power to prevent other people from being expansionist and totalitarian. :/

 

I'm re-reading IDW's run as this continuity ends, so maybe this might make more sense to me when I'm able to read it in a few sittings rather than month by month.

 

 

But Prime didn't just establish Metrotitan as an embassy. He EXPLICITLY said "I hereby annex Earth into the Cybertronian Council of Worlds," a completely unilateral decision that left out not ONLY the ruling council of Cybertron and its new confederacy (or whatever Starscream was calling it at the time) but ALSO every single person on Earth. It doesn't matter how we see it, from the outside and with all of Prime's misguided motivations for doing it; from the perspective of humanity, it's practically the equivalent of one Earth nation claiming sovereignty over another.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:08 PM

I also felt like this issue was trying to directly equivocate the colonization of Devisiun with what's happening on Earth and I just don't see it. Sure, Optimus Prime erected a city and it's considered sovereign Cybertronian land, but like, it's no more colonizing Earth in this sense than an embassy is colonizing another country. I think the exploration of Optimus being totalitarian and expansionist is cool and all, but it would probably work better if Optimus ACTUALLY seemed expansionist and totalitarian rather than abusing his power to prevent other people from being expansionist and totalitarian. :/
 
I'm re-reading IDW's run as this continuity ends, so maybe this might make more sense to me when I'm able to read it in a few sittings rather than month by month.


I took it as the opposite - Slide and Oiler joined up with Optimus because they WANTED to colonize Earth in the same way that their ancestors colonized Devisiun, and she's mad at him because he's working with the natives, rather than just paving over their cities and sending them to reservations to be played with like pets.
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:17 PM

 

 

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?

Ironhide sent Optimus a priority pulse wave, as shown in Infiltration 3 and Stormbringer 1 informing him that the Decepticons were entering Siege Mode. It's not revealed that Ironhide actually requested him to come to Earth in that, so there was plenty of wiggle room.

 

Anyway, I didn't care for this issue very much. I'm not terribly fond of how the flashbacks were incorporated and Oiler is just a black hole that sucks all the joy out of the comic any time he's in it. Having a comic that featured him prominently was not fun.

 

I also felt like this issue was trying to directly equivocate the colonization of Devisiun with what's happening on Earth and I just don't see it. Sure, Optimus Prime erected a city and it's considered sovereign Cybertronian land, but like, it's no more colonizing Earth in this sense than an embassy is colonizing another country. I think the exploration of Optimus being totalitarian and expansionist is cool and all, but it would probably work better if Optimus ACTUALLY seemed expansionist and totalitarian rather than abusing his power to prevent other people from being expansionist and totalitarian. :/

 

I'm re-reading IDW's run as this continuity ends, so maybe this might make more sense to me when I'm able to read it in a few sittings rather than month by month.

 

 

But Prime didn't just establish Metrotitan as an embassy. He EXPLICITLY said "I hereby annex Earth into the Cybertronian Council of Worlds," a completely unilateral decision that left out not ONLY the ruling council of Cybertron and its new confederacy (or whatever Starscream was calling it at the time) but ALSO every single person on Earth. It doesn't matter how we see it, from the outside and with all of Prime's misguided motivations for doing it; from the perspective of humanity, it's practically the equivalent of one Earth nation claiming sovereignty over another.

 

 

The issue I have is less how others in story see it and more that this issue directly treats the colonization of Divisiun and the annexation of Earth as roughly equivalent. They're not.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:48 PM

Even if the book weren't being rushed to conclusion this issue would feel like a waste.

 

Slag here seems to explicitly recall being Slag... but isn't he a new spark in Slag's body? Er, Slug's. 



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 03:24 PM

There's some interesting backstory here about Devisiun, especially the difference in portrayal between the natives as they tell their story and Slide's telling of it (including a happy native driving the truck?) but the actual story occurring feels incredibly inconsequential. The art was also really bad... I'm not a fan of Tramontano's art in general but this was rough even for her. I wonder if this was rushed or a late fill-in or something.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 03:36 PM

Going by how the nature in that scene seems fairly well-kept and clean, as opposed to the sickly, partially cyberformed landscape on the first page, I'd guess it was some kind of park or nature reserve, and (if we're taking the colonialism metaphor all the way) perhaps the Transformers just come to gawk and condescendingly interact with the natives that live there.
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 03:42 PM

Even if the book weren't being rushed to conclusion this issue would feel like a waste.

 

Slag here seems to explicitly recall being Slag... but isn't he a new spark in Slag's body? Er, Slug's. 

 

Slug's brain module was still intact, so his memories were just put into the new spark, I believe. Last issue indicated they did something similar with Optimus and Bumblebee.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 04:43 PM

It's like Wheeljack said... just don't worry about it. Rossum's trinity works in ways to make the plot convenient :p


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 05:34 PM

Out of the three today, this was the most dull. Art was out of sync with the tone and I just cannot care about the Earth colonists.

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:04 PM

 


I took it as the opposite - Slide and Oiler joined up with Optimus because they WANTED to colonize Earth in the same way that their ancestors colonized Devisiun, and she's mad at him because he's working with the natives, rather than just paving over their cities and sending them to reservations to be played with like pets.

 

Not necessarily. Slide's primary beef with Optimus is that she feels he's working with the "enemy." In her mind, because the Junkions killed Oiler, they should have defeated them in retribution. Instead, Optimus settled things peacefully and gave the Junkions a home. She sees humans the same way, especially given the recent stuff with Jazz.

 

Slide obviously has a very skewed, colonialist attitude towards Cybertronian history, but less "let's take over this world and keep the humans as pets" and more "they wronged us, so we should fight back!" In a way, she's a mirror of Aileron, who very much started out as that same archetype, but ended up growing in a different way that saw her learning to understand other sides and work with others, while Slide is letting her anger consume her.



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Posted 06 September 2018 - 03:18 AM

 

Anyway, I didn't care for this issue very much. I'm not terribly fond of how the flashbacks were incorporated and Oiler is just a black hole that sucks all the joy out of the comic any time he's in it. Having a comic that featured him prominently was not fun.

 

Slide. She.

 

How did I not notice this entire time? Thank you!


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