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@  Pennpenn : (19 September 2018 - 09:07 AM)

It's an annoying thing to have happen in any game. I'm hoping they actually finish releasing all the story mode parts before 3 comes out.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 September 2018 - 06:24 AM)

Ahh. Hadn't played that in a long time.. Since before the PVP I think.

@  Pennpenn : (19 September 2018 - 04:33 AM)

Kingdom Hearts Union Cross. Specifically the PVP fights.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 September 2018 - 04:31 AM)

What game PennPenn

@  Pennpenn : (19 September 2018 - 03:13 AM)

Man, I love it when you've got limited attempts at something in a game, said game crashes at the end of the thing, so you lose the attempt but don't get any credit.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 September 2018 - 08:44 PM)

I know. I'm back to the classic purple for the first time since the comic theme was introduced.

@  Fenix Twilight : (18 September 2018 - 08:32 PM)

Alright thanks, gonna be weird without the speech bubble boxes but I'll manage.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 September 2018 - 07:59 PM)

Nope, ongoing problem for a bunch of us. The mods know, so... just hunker down and wait. In the mean time: changing themes will sort it out for a bit. Only the comic theme is affected.

@  Fenix Twilight : (18 September 2018 - 05:36 PM)

Is something going on? I'm missing the buttons to go to the newest post and there's no banner for the forum list, it just says "logo" in the corner.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 September 2018 - 06:03 AM)

Leader-1!

@  Whirl Maximus : (18 September 2018 - 02:25 AM)

"huh?" 'chuckle' in every reaction shot. That's all I remember of Armada.

@  Paladin : (16 September 2018 - 07:36 PM)

if youre looking for sympathy its in the dictionary between shit & syphilis.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 September 2018 - 03:10 PM)

Uuuhhhhhh.......

@  Rycochet : (15 September 2018 - 11:56 AM)

Due to it's concentrated lousiness, even small doses of Energon will age you, yes.

@  Lazy Garou : (15 September 2018 - 10:32 AM)

unicron trilogy video was great, but made me feel a hundred years old.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 September 2018 - 07:32 AM)

Awesome. Good job man.

@  Lazy Garou : (11 September 2018 - 09:30 PM)

cleaning up, mostly.but the little plastic piece where the power cable hooked up was broken. That I managed to put back together.

@  Patch : (11 September 2018 - 04:48 PM)

So he also has White Castle-like qualities?

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 September 2018 - 02:23 PM)

Just keep him away from the plumbing, he's really hard on the pipes.

@  RichardT1977 : (11 September 2018 - 01:22 PM)

Overlord has some castle-like qualities to him

@  wonko the sane? : (11 September 2018 - 12:15 PM)

Fix it, like, found a working power adaptor, or fix it like: there was saudering involved.

@  Lazy Garou : (11 September 2018 - 11:58 AM)

that feeling when you fix something and works like a dream. we now have a working snes in my house and I have tested 10 games on it and they all work.

@  Arazyr : (11 September 2018 - 10:44 AM)

...Now I want a Transformer that turns into a castle.

@  wonko the sane? : (11 September 2018 - 09:37 AM)

You should be careful man, lots of allsparkers life in castle law states. It's a good way to get shot you know.

@  ▲ndrusi : (11 September 2018 - 09:35 AM)

Which house? Mine? Dammit I thought I locked my door!

@  GrungeWerX : (11 September 2018 - 01:20 AM)

GrungeWerX in tha HOUSE!!! WOOT!!

@  TM2-Megatron : (10 September 2018 - 11:54 PM)

There's been consistently good sc-fi flicks; most just fly under the radar as lower-budget or indie pictures

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 September 2018 - 09:28 PM)

If you can forget about that garbage Ghost in the Shell feature...

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 September 2018 - 09:27 PM)

Upgrade is a GREAT dark sci fi throwback film. Kind of feels like the genre has been nailing some good stuff after a LONG time of drek

@  Sabrblade : (10 September 2018 - 06:34 PM)

Hey, Steve is a Vehicon!

@  abates : (10 September 2018 - 04:44 PM)

I thought it was spelled "Stege".

@  Arazyr : (10 September 2018 - 02:10 PM)

So, "I before E, except after Siege"? :D

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 September 2018 - 01:59 PM)

Memorandum to all: the word "siege" is spelled with the "i" before the "e".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (08 September 2018 - 12:55 PM)

Happy birthday to Star Trek and Star Trek: The Animated Series!

@  MEDdMI : (08 September 2018 - 07:55 AM)

*smacks TMM upside the head*

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 September 2018 - 02:51 AM)

& Knuckles.

@  Pennpenn : (07 September 2018 - 11:01 PM)

Re: Coded?

@  Waspinator : (07 September 2018 - 09:14 PM)

Final Fantasy: The Movie: The Game: Pocket Edition HD Boogaloo

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (07 September 2018 - 01:03 AM)

Funny thing is, I think the pocket edition graphics give the game more personality.

@  MEDdMI : (06 September 2018 - 11:10 PM)

Final Finception

@  Waspinator : (06 September 2018 - 10:29 PM)

They've made a PS4 version of Final Fantasy 15 Pocket Edition. For those keeping score, it's the PS4 version of a smartphone version of a PS4 game.

@  wonko the sane? : (05 September 2018 - 09:20 PM)

Ah HA! turns out the trick to installing the rift software was to run it as an admin. Stupid windows 10.

@  wonko the sane? : (05 September 2018 - 04:58 PM)

Awright! I got the display port working! Which means I can now connect my occulus rift!

@  MEDdMI : (04 September 2018 - 10:38 PM)

*just stares*

@  Noideaforaname : (04 September 2018 - 09:36 PM)

Hello there

@  wonko the sane? : (04 September 2018 - 09:06 PM)

Howdy.

@  RichardT1977 : (03 September 2018 - 07:11 PM)

Or just a set of arms and shoulder cannons that combined Legends Godbomber with CW Optimus.

@  RichardT1977 : (03 September 2018 - 07:10 PM)

I still wish someone would make an upgrade kit for Combiner Wars Optimus that transformed from a trailer to a set of limbs with Powermaster shoulder cannons...

@  NotVeryKnightly : (03 September 2018 - 09:48 AM)

I read that as "Basilisky" for some reason.

@  Anonymous X : (03 September 2018 - 03:45 AM)

Basicslly


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#1 Jalaguy

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 05:19 PM

Discuss the issue here!

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 07:30 AM

Are the little gazelle creatures in Gimlet's flashback also supposed to be sentient, do you think?
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 07:45 AM

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 07:53 AM

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?


Jazz was sent to Earth as a scout, ahead of the rest of the infiltration unit. It was established in OP #8 and his Sourcebook profile, IIRC.

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:07 AM

 

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?


Jazz was sent to Earth as a scout, ahead of the rest of the infiltration unit. It was established in OP #8 and his Sourcebook profile, IIRC.

 

 

I think that came from an off-handed comment from Costa's run too, which again shows what kind of insane attention to detail Barber has.

 

I liked this, despite not really caring overmuch about the colonist recruits.  Mainframe and Gimlet's deaths were given the appropriate weight and I enjoyed the backstory of some of the colonies.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:17 AM

Gotta be honest... I wasn't too fond of this one. On top of hating "can you all just calm down and talk to each other" plots, the cutesy Prips visuals really didn't mesh with how bleak the story was.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 11:10 AM

Wow, an issue where the main characters were flashbacks.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 01:06 PM

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?

Ironhide sent Optimus a priority pulse wave, as shown in Infiltration 3 and Stormbringer 1 informing him that the Decepticons were entering Siege Mode. It's not revealed that Ironhide actually requested him to come to Earth in that, so there was plenty of wiggle room.

 

Anyway, I didn't care for this issue very much. I'm not terribly fond of how the flashbacks were incorporated and Slide is just a black hole that sucks all the joy out of the comic any time she's in it. Having a comic that featured him prominently was not fun.

 

I also felt like this issue was trying to directly equivocate the colonization of Devisiun with what's happening on Earth and I just don't see it. Sure, Optimus Prime erected a city and it's considered sovereign Cybertronian land, but like, it's no more colonizing Earth in this sense than an embassy is colonizing another country. I think the exploration of Optimus being totalitarian and expansionist is cool and all, but it would probably work better if Optimus ACTUALLY seemed expansionist and totalitarian rather than abusing his power to prevent other people from being expansionist and totalitarian. :/

 

I'm re-reading IDW's run as this continuity ends, so maybe this might make more sense to me when I'm able to read it in a few sittings rather than month by month.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 01:57 PM

Anyway, I didn't care for this issue very much. I'm not terribly fond of how the flashbacks were incorporated and Oiler is just a black hole that sucks all the joy out of the comic any time he's in it. Having a comic that featured him prominently was not fun.

 

Slide. She.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:04 PM

 

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?

Ironhide sent Optimus a priority pulse wave, as shown in Infiltration 3 and Stormbringer 1 informing him that the Decepticons were entering Siege Mode. It's not revealed that Ironhide actually requested him to come to Earth in that, so there was plenty of wiggle room.

 

Anyway, I didn't care for this issue very much. I'm not terribly fond of how the flashbacks were incorporated and Oiler is just a black hole that sucks all the joy out of the comic any time he's in it. Having a comic that featured him prominently was not fun.

 

I also felt like this issue was trying to directly equivocate the colonization of Devisiun with what's happening on Earth and I just don't see it. Sure, Optimus Prime erected a city and it's considered sovereign Cybertronian land, but like, it's no more colonizing Earth in this sense than an embassy is colonizing another country. I think the exploration of Optimus being totalitarian and expansionist is cool and all, but it would probably work better if Optimus ACTUALLY seemed expansionist and totalitarian rather than abusing his power to prevent other people from being expansionist and totalitarian. :/

 

I'm re-reading IDW's run as this continuity ends, so maybe this might make more sense to me when I'm able to read it in a few sittings rather than month by month.

 

 

But Prime didn't just establish Metrotitan as an embassy. He EXPLICITLY said "I hereby annex Earth into the Cybertronian Council of Worlds," a completely unilateral decision that left out not ONLY the ruling council of Cybertron and its new confederacy (or whatever Starscream was calling it at the time) but ALSO every single person on Earth. It doesn't matter how we see it, from the outside and with all of Prime's misguided motivations for doing it; from the perspective of humanity, it's practically the equivalent of one Earth nation claiming sovereignty over another.


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:08 PM

I also felt like this issue was trying to directly equivocate the colonization of Devisiun with what's happening on Earth and I just don't see it. Sure, Optimus Prime erected a city and it's considered sovereign Cybertronian land, but like, it's no more colonizing Earth in this sense than an embassy is colonizing another country. I think the exploration of Optimus being totalitarian and expansionist is cool and all, but it would probably work better if Optimus ACTUALLY seemed expansionist and totalitarian rather than abusing his power to prevent other people from being expansionist and totalitarian. :/
 
I'm re-reading IDW's run as this continuity ends, so maybe this might make more sense to me when I'm able to read it in a few sittings rather than month by month.


I took it as the opposite - Slide and Oiler joined up with Optimus because they WANTED to colonize Earth in the same way that their ancestors colonized Devisiun, and she's mad at him because he's working with the natives, rather than just paving over their cities and sending them to reservations to be played with like pets.
"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:17 PM

 

 

This issue implies that Jazz was the one who sent for Optimus to come to earth.... wasnt that Ironhide in Infiltration 3?

Ironhide sent Optimus a priority pulse wave, as shown in Infiltration 3 and Stormbringer 1 informing him that the Decepticons were entering Siege Mode. It's not revealed that Ironhide actually requested him to come to Earth in that, so there was plenty of wiggle room.

 

Anyway, I didn't care for this issue very much. I'm not terribly fond of how the flashbacks were incorporated and Oiler is just a black hole that sucks all the joy out of the comic any time he's in it. Having a comic that featured him prominently was not fun.

 

I also felt like this issue was trying to directly equivocate the colonization of Devisiun with what's happening on Earth and I just don't see it. Sure, Optimus Prime erected a city and it's considered sovereign Cybertronian land, but like, it's no more colonizing Earth in this sense than an embassy is colonizing another country. I think the exploration of Optimus being totalitarian and expansionist is cool and all, but it would probably work better if Optimus ACTUALLY seemed expansionist and totalitarian rather than abusing his power to prevent other people from being expansionist and totalitarian. :/

 

I'm re-reading IDW's run as this continuity ends, so maybe this might make more sense to me when I'm able to read it in a few sittings rather than month by month.

 

 

But Prime didn't just establish Metrotitan as an embassy. He EXPLICITLY said "I hereby annex Earth into the Cybertronian Council of Worlds," a completely unilateral decision that left out not ONLY the ruling council of Cybertron and its new confederacy (or whatever Starscream was calling it at the time) but ALSO every single person on Earth. It doesn't matter how we see it, from the outside and with all of Prime's misguided motivations for doing it; from the perspective of humanity, it's practically the equivalent of one Earth nation claiming sovereignty over another.

 

 

The issue I have is less how others in story see it and more that this issue directly treats the colonization of Divisiun and the annexation of Earth as roughly equivalent. They're not.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:48 PM

Even if the book weren't being rushed to conclusion this issue would feel like a waste.

 

Slag here seems to explicitly recall being Slag... but isn't he a new spark in Slag's body? Er, Slug's. 



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 03:24 PM

There's some interesting backstory here about Devisiun, especially the difference in portrayal between the natives as they tell their story and Slide's telling of it (including a happy native driving the truck?) but the actual story occurring feels incredibly inconsequential. The art was also really bad... I'm not a fan of Tramontano's art in general but this was rough even for her. I wonder if this was rushed or a late fill-in or something.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 03:36 PM

Going by how the nature in that scene seems fairly well-kept and clean, as opposed to the sickly, partially cyberformed landscape on the first page, I'd guess it was some kind of park or nature reserve, and (if we're taking the colonialism metaphor all the way) perhaps the Transformers just come to gawk and condescendingly interact with the natives that live there.
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 03:42 PM

Even if the book weren't being rushed to conclusion this issue would feel like a waste.

 

Slag here seems to explicitly recall being Slag... but isn't he a new spark in Slag's body? Er, Slug's. 

 

Slug's brain module was still intact, so his memories were just put into the new spark, I believe. Last issue indicated they did something similar with Optimus and Bumblebee.



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Posted 05 September 2018 - 04:43 PM

It's like Wheeljack said... just don't worry about it. Rossum's trinity works in ways to make the plot convenient :p


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 05:34 PM

Out of the three today, this was the most dull. Art was out of sync with the tone and I just cannot care about the Earth colonists.

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:04 PM

 


I took it as the opposite - Slide and Oiler joined up with Optimus because they WANTED to colonize Earth in the same way that their ancestors colonized Devisiun, and she's mad at him because he's working with the natives, rather than just paving over their cities and sending them to reservations to be played with like pets.

 

Not necessarily. Slide's primary beef with Optimus is that she feels he's working with the "enemy." In her mind, because the Junkions killed Oiler, they should have defeated them in retribution. Instead, Optimus settled things peacefully and gave the Junkions a home. She sees humans the same way, especially given the recent stuff with Jazz.

 

Slide obviously has a very skewed, colonialist attitude towards Cybertronian history, but less "let's take over this world and keep the humans as pets" and more "they wronged us, so we should fight back!" In a way, she's a mirror of Aileron, who very much started out as that same archetype, but ended up growing in a different way that saw her learning to understand other sides and work with others, while Slide is letting her anger consume her.



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Posted 06 September 2018 - 03:18 AM

 

Anyway, I didn't care for this issue very much. I'm not terribly fond of how the flashbacks were incorporated and Oiler is just a black hole that sucks all the joy out of the comic any time he's in it. Having a comic that featured him prominently was not fun.

 

Slide. She.

 

How did I not notice this entire time? Thank you!


Edited by Jetstreamx, 06 September 2018 - 03:33 AM.




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