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@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN


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#961 Axaday

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Posted 08 April 2020 - 07:16 AM

I'm not sure I hear it in Episode II, but Episode III I definitely hear it

 

I saw it in theaters and again right when the DVD came out.  I probably ought to watch it again.  I didn't hate the movie, but it was a lot of movie.



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Posted 08 April 2020 - 09:00 PM

In that, ROTS has at least one thing in common with TROS: it had too much story to tell in a single movie.


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Posted 09 April 2020 - 05:05 AM

RotS is probably the only prequel movie I would go back and watch again. The book was better. The movie cut a lot of important things that would've made Anakin's fall seem a bit less sudden. But it had its moments and was overall much better than the other prequel movies.

 

 I actually enjoyed TRoS. It had its problems, sure. But I think most of the problems it had stemmed from having to follow the sabotage job Rian Johnson did with Last Jedi and they were reeling just trying to work with the crap he left them. Also, considering how much Leia was supposed to be in this one, Carrie Fisher's death had to hit hard.

 

But over all, I really did enjoy this one. I don't think anything has yet beaten the original trilogy, but I'm sure I'll be watching this one plenty more times in the future.


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Posted 09 April 2020 - 10:11 AM

But I think most of the problems it had stemmed from having to follow the sabotage job Rian Johnson did with Last Jedi and they were reeling just trying to work with the crap he left them. 

 

It isn't even just what he did.  It's what he didn't do.  Episode 7 ended with the First Order reeling from the loss of the Starkiller Base, the Resistance having won an important battle but now the First Order knows where they are, Rey ready to become a Jedi but needing a teacher.  Episode 8 killed off Snoke, which is a change for better or worse.  I thought that bit was actually interesting, one place where subverting expectations was kinda fun.  Especially if the plan is to reveal he was a puppet anyway.  But then you have the destruction of a ship we didn't even know about before the movie.  The First Order is basically in the same position we saw at the end of Episode 8 except without Snoke.  The end of Episode 8 left the Resistance looking pretty bleak.  As far as we could tell maybe only a dozen survivors or something.  But at the start of Episode 9 they look about how they did in 7 and lots of familiar faces and we accepted that.  So we lost Admiral Ackbar.  We lost Admiral Holdo and some ships we never knew about before 8.  As Episode 9 begins, it is as if 8 had no effect on the Resistance at all.  Ackbar doesn't appear, but the loss is not addressed in any way.  They are still a ragtag hideout with some people and small ships.  Rey ends Episode 8 as someone ready to be a Jedi and just needing a teacher.  The only change to her is that Luke is off the table.  I think that was an incorrect decision on Johnson's part, obviously.  But aside from making a snarky movie that I don't think I'll ever want to see again, I think his biggest crime is that he made the middle movie of a trilogy and the only advancement he made in the story was to take Snoke and Luke off the table.  You could split Episode 9 into two movies and throw Episode 8 out altogether and all you would have to do is work Luke and Snoke's deaths into the middle of that story and everything would end up exactly the same.



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Posted 09 April 2020 - 12:04 PM

I'm still wondering how he could understand space battles so badly.

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Posted 09 April 2020 - 12:25 PM

My biggest issue is the culmination of the nine movie saga sees the genetic legacy of the franchise's arch-villian taking the legacy and identity of the franchise's heroes as their own.

That is NOT how you draw the curtain on a story that has lasted for decades.

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Posted 09 April 2020 - 12:49 PM

At some moment in some meeting it was decided that Episode 9 would be the culmination of something.  A lot of mistakes proceeded directly from that bad idea.  And as far as publicly presentation is concerned, it seems to have been a very recent idea.  After Episode 8.

 

It was a big enough job just to finish up a trilogy when you only had 1.1 units of story out of the first two.  But now it needed to reculminate the original trilogy that had already culminated pretty well.  That took on a lot of baggage that needed screen time.  And it also had to close the story arc on Rey and Ben, so they had to rush to a finish on that.

 

After Episode 8, they could have quietly stopped talking about a trilogy altogether.  Episode 9 would only need to defeat the First Order (who we didn't bother defeating in the movie we got).  And redeem Ben in some form or fashion.  They wouldn't have killed him, I don't think, if they didn't need an efficient bow tied on his story arc in a hurry.  Then the story of Episode 7-9 is that there will always be new threats in a new generation and good people will always have to get together to protect the galaxy.  And if you never make an Episode 10, that's fine.  But if you want to in 5 years you do it.



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Posted 09 April 2020 - 08:59 PM

My biggest issue is the culmination of the nine movie saga sees the genetic legacy of the franchise's arch-villian taking the legacy and identity of the franchise's heroes as their own.
That is NOT how you draw the curtain on a story that has lasted for decades.


I don't really have strong feelings on where Rey came from and where she ended up, but -

The genetic legacy of a franchise's arch-villain taking the legacy and identity of the franchise's heroes as their own is a GREAT way to draw the curtain on a story that has lasted for decades.

Like, she's not Emperor Jr sneaking her way in to conquer the universe in disguise. She's a woman trying to find her place in the universe and choosing to be a force (no pun intended) for good, using our heroes (and hers) as inspiration.

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Posted 09 April 2020 - 10:08 PM

The trilogy keeps repeating this notion that Rey's heritage shouldn't define her, so it's pretty weird she'd "steal" someone else's legacy.

 

Plus, there's the weird implication that the saga has been this struggle between House Palpatine and House Skywalker... which isn't the case at all. Anakin and Luke's greatest foes have been their own darker sides, The Emperor's more of a personification of their sin than a direct enemy.

 

Plus plus, it's easy to take the cynical view and say Disney needed to secure that marketable "Skywalker" trademark after killing the family off to promote their own flagship character backfired spectacularly.



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Posted 10 April 2020 - 03:39 AM

Ah yes the House of Skywalker, the family descended from slaves.

But what else should we expect from the man behind Batman VS Superman Dawn of Justice?


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Posted 12 April 2020 - 04:00 PM

There are lots of actual people descended from slaves. Just sayin'.


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