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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 06:43 AM

Really shocked to see an upcoming collection of what was I think the fastest-axed Midnight Sons book?

https://www.amazon.c...ywords=Darkhold

https://www.comixolo...TGlzdC9zZXJpZXM

I loved the whole line but this book was the one that really stuck with me.

This is a collection, I suppose, that will suffer greatly from being involved in a bunch of crossovers that the trade has to live without, so there's at least a couple of issues here that will make bugger all sense without the Ghost Rider/Spirits Of Vengeance/etc issues around them. But even so, if you said to me "what comic runs would you like to see collected if you were king of the world", this would be in the top three.

Though I don't know how accurate this is, word on the street back then was that the sales declined after they revealed that the lead was a lesbian. Probably in 2018 we can cope with that.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 11:47 AM

i dont remember hearing anything about sales going down for that reason, but that of course means nothing. i did pick up the main book, but remember it just...wasnt very good, not to me anyway. i dont think i got more than a handful of issues. i even tried nightstalkers, but was meh to it as well. i DO remember really liking dcs house of secrets though. but it didnt last long either. and i was a big ghost rider fan (loved mark texerias art on it. was so sad when he left). i dont think mystical titles were selling very good in general aside from ghost rider and sandman related books. 

 

disclaimer: like i said, my memory has gotten worse as i get older, and stuff like darkhold wasnt in my field of interest,  so take everything i said with a dose of salt. and we didnt have much at this time aside from a couple magazines like wizard for news back then either, so news like that couldve easily been missed. though if it were a big enough deal, youd think wizard wouldve mentioned it but i dont remember them doing so


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 05:55 PM

Nighstalkers was easily the... least good book in the line, I think. I suspect my enjoyment of it suffered from not really knowing anything about these Tomb of Dracula characters. (Except that they were ToD characters, which was an Exciting Event for the industry, kind of the equivalent of Rom coming back - this beloved book that hadn't been seen in many years). 

 

Of course, to those who HAD read ToD, as I now have, Nighstalkers was, I think, basically terribly offensive and a really unworthy followup to one of the most beloved books of all time. 

 

Midnight Sons just came at the perfect time for me I think. I was a freshly-minted Angsty Teen, these Cool Horror Books were just so right for where I was at. All those crossovers with black covers... swoon. 


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Posted 28 August 2018 - 12:14 AM

The first issue of Darkhold, with the worm guy, was the most disturbing out of the Rise of the Midnight Sons books. It didn't have the best art but it was true horror.

For the collection, well, if it just ends with the final issue at ... #16, at the Siege of Darkness crossover, then it would be a shame not to include how Victoria Montessi's pregnancy got resolved.

I bought the final issue of Doctor Strange (#90, I think) just to see how it was dealt but even then, Victoria was still forever pregnant. I wasn't able to follow up how Cthon was finally removed.

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 12:48 AM

wasn't midnight sons when they put Dr. Strange back under the mask he wore briefly in the...70's I think?


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#6 Fero McPigletron

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 06:22 AM

Not during the Rise the Midnight Sons but in the middle of Siege of Darkness.  And it wasn't Dr. Strange but ... no spoiling... someone named Strange.  It's like Reign of the Supermen.


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Posted 28 August 2018 - 08:13 PM

In addition to Darkhold 1-6, the collection also includes "Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme #90 And Material From Midnight Sons Unlimited #1-2 And Marvel Comics Presents (1988) #145."

 

http://marvunapp.com...ndix/monvic.htm

 

 

(Dr. Strange III#89, 90) - Chthon sent the Midwife to Earth. She made her way into the Tempo Building and freed Victoria from the stasis box, allowing her pregnancy to rapidly progress into labor. Strange sensed this and entered Chthon's realm in an effort to drive him back. Chthon easily overpowered Strange and forced him back to Earth, but not before  Strange could drive a wedge of his own greates power into Chthon. As the labor progressed on Earth, Strange tapped into Victoria's spirit, her inner "goodness", and used it to magnify the wedge within Chthon. The force of this magic was great enough that Chthon would risk his own life by coming to Earth. As a result, the labor (and apparently the pregnancy(?)) was terminated.

 

 

(Midnight Sons Unlimited#1/2) - Vicki, Sam, and Louise encountered Mercy, a criminal using another page of the Darkhold.

(Midnight Sons Unlimited#2/2) - Vicki, Sam, and Louise encountered Frank West who had utilized a Darkhold spell and became a victim of the Troids.

 

 

(Marvel Comics Presents#145/4, 146/3) - Shortly after this, Victoria at last learned her own true nature, as the spawn of Chthon, now pregnant with him (magic, ya know?) and preparing to deliver the demon into the mortal plane. These events pulled her away from Buchanon, and the Redeemers dissolved permanently.

The N'Garai attempted to abduct Vicki to the realm of Chthon, but she was saved by Dr. Strange.

 

And anyone who's a Vicki Montesi fan also needs to pick up the recent Carnage series. Such a bizarre place for her to resurface, but some good stuff.  


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 02:01 AM

From my understanding of doc strange 90, Midwife ending up helping Strange and Montessi because her purpose was to do no harm. And, er, something like the, um, exit (which was, er, Victoria's um, thing) was something made of 'good' so Chthon, being a creature of evil, couldn't pass through it or be delivered without him being changed. So he retreated back inside.

I thought Montessi was still pregnant then. I didn't know that Chthon left her permanently after.

What happened to Montessi in Carnage?

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Posted 30 August 2018 - 05:52 AM

Maybe they're actually gonna do something with the Darkhold Redeemers?

 

I mean, they already used it in the MCU in Agents of SHIELD. Maybe a new Midnight Sons book?

 

I still have a number of early Midnight Sons books, mostly the ones with the Darkhold envelope covers that had a crossover that involved Blade going nuts getting one of the pages and turned into a Demigorge and killed Blaze, Morbius and Danny Ketch.


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Posted 30 August 2018 - 05:41 PM

What happened to Montessi in Carnage?

 

Carnage gets the book, and Vicki's part of a team of dudes who are chasing him.


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