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@  MEDdMI : (19 April 2019 - 09:21 PM)

oof, yikes. Good luck.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 April 2019 - 09:18 PM)

We're in the middle of a kitchen reno and NOTHING will be done until tuesday. I could beat a four day weekend with a hammer right now if it meant I could use my stove again.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 April 2019 - 06:47 PM)

Can't beat 4 day weekends either.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 April 2019 - 06:47 PM)

I prefer later shifts myself, but my 3 day weekend shift isn't bad. Nice to work without those administration busy bodies poking around.

@  Nevermore : (19 April 2019 - 04:12 AM)

Yeah, traffic is a plus as well. Rarely got any trouble getting to work on late shift (even with the neverending construction site on the highway), and when my shift is over, there's hardly any traffic at all anymore.

@  MEDdMI : (18 April 2019 - 06:27 PM)

while I don't have weekends consistently off, working 2nd shift isn't so bad. I'm more likely to do stuff before work than after (when I'm already tired). Plus no rush hour traffic

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 April 2019 - 05:03 PM)

Switching shifts constantly is never good for one's health. There was a time when I worked overnights steady for about 2 years; did wonders for my health, as well

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:36 PM)

Don't miss early shift (and especially switching back and forth every two weeks) a bit.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:36 PM)

Man, permanent late shift really has done wonders for my overal well-being. Never having to get up early for work, staying up late, weekends off... a ot of my coworkers think I'm crazy, but late shift is really my preferred shift.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

(My total lack of sleep on that day might have contributed, though.)

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

At noon, it was warm.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

On Monday, we went on strike early in the morning, I was also wearing to jackets and gloves and my toes and fingers were freezing.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 April 2019 - 04:31 PM)

Nope, right now my days are doing that. Frigid at night (Well, just below zero, but still.) and warm enough to be always be ill prepared during the day.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Today it's so warm I had to take a shower to wash off the sweat after a lengthy bike trip.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:27 PM)

This past Friday I was wearing two jackets and winter gloves outside and took a hot bath when I returned home.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:27 PM)

Is "April weather" an issue in other countries as well, or is that specifically a German phenomenon?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Well, when you understand the history of the area it make sense. It's basically a series of countries buying the place, moving in, saying "we rule you people now", and the locals shrugging and responding, "okay, you have fun with that".

@  Sabrblade : (16 April 2019 - 07:58 AM)

When did we all turn into Henry Higgins?

@  unluckiness : (16 April 2019 - 03:16 AM)

To be fair, most Americans can't get the hang of English, so I can understand why.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:15 AM)

(And yeah, Calliope is a Greek muse, not French, but the street was named BY the French when they took over.)

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:10 AM)

In New Orleans there's a bunch of streets with French names that are pronounced by locals with a more English emphasis, for example "Calliope Street" is pronounced "CAL-lee-ope".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 11:56 PM)

I figured as much for Canadians.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 11:37 PM)

hm; whenever I've heard people talk about the school they said it the same way as the cathedral...but I guess that's in Canada, so they're probably more familiar with the cathedral than the school

@  Dracula : (15 April 2019 - 11:11 PM)

There's plenty of place names in the US like that. Around here we have an "el doh-RAY-doh," and up north there's a Cairo that's pronounced "kay-roh"

@  RichardT1977 : (15 April 2019 - 09:56 PM)

Yeah, the common pronunciation of the University is probably the reason most Americans don't pronounce the Cathedral name correctly.

@  Arazyr : (15 April 2019 - 08:03 PM)

That's my understanding of how the two are supposed to be pronounced as well.

@  Echowarrior : (15 April 2019 - 07:42 PM)

When I'm talking about the cathedral, I say "noh-treh dahme". When I talk about the university, I say "noh-ter dayme". I don't see a problem with that.

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 06:26 PM)

guessing "Hunchback" just got bumped WAY down the list for Disney's live-action remakes...

@  Patch : (15 April 2019 - 05:56 PM)

We all pronounce it wrong, so no one knows enough to care.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 05:40 PM)

It'd be odd for most Americans not to know how to pronounce Notre Dame, considering they have a University with the same name that's the subject of a relatively popular film based around a sport most Americans love

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Three or four more hours will be needed to contain the fire.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Update from France 24: the Paris Fire Brigade says two towers and the main structure of the cathedral have been saved from complete destruction.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:57 PM)

One does not have to speak French to know that rhyming with "voter name" is off the mark.

@  Locoman : (15 April 2019 - 03:51 PM)

Really? It's an international tragedy and you're zeroing in on the people who maybe don't speak French?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:44 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw I just read on BBC News that the cause is not yet clear, but officials suspect the fire could be linked to renovation work.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:42 PM)

Oh boy, here we go with the U.S.-American newscasters who can't pronounce "Notre Dame" correctly.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 April 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Too soon to say.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 April 2019 - 03:20 PM)

Do we know if it was an attack? Arson? Or just bad wiring?

@  Nevermore : (15 April 2019 - 02:10 PM)

Religion is dead?

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 02:01 PM)

major cathedral burning down on Holy Week is some kind of metaphor.

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:54 PM)

Hard to believe a wonder of the world could just be wiped out so easily. Hopefully they can still save it

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Well, Notre Dame is burning down

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 10:05 AM)

yikes I thought the site was going to be down for a while

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:07 PM)

So, time for another strike. No sleep for me tonight. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:04 PM)

Think Game of Thrones "light" meets Cabaret and you get the idea.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:03 PM)

Kinda sorta, just with more intrigue, conspiracy, depravity, crime and violence.

@  RichardT1977 : (14 April 2019 - 06:37 PM)

So it's like a prequel to Cabaret?

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 04:02 PM)

And man, characters are smoking literally EVERYWHERE.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:27 PM)

Also, full frontal male nudity. (There's been quite a bit of female nudity since episode 1.)

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:26 PM)

Episode 6, and Hitler is randomly name-checked.


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 09:45 AM

Voyager was already mining that with Seven of Nine wearing a ridiculous high heel jumpsuit and her Borg implants reduced to the eyebrow thing and the bit on her hand.

Point of order; the Borg didn't appear on Voyager until after First Contact came out. I was specifically waiting for them ever since I heard that Voyager would be in the Delta Quadrant, which has been known as Borg space since TNG.

I'm guessing there was some behind-the-scenes embargo, to avoid the old TNG-era designs while also not revealing the new look until the movie could premiere.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 10:37 AM

I think it is also a product of the times. Season 1 of DIS ends with the 1701. Back then it seemed like they slowly built up to the big deal
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 01:54 PM

The Borg Queen to me has always felt like one of those awkward times where late 90s Trek was saying "Some fanservice with your technobabble, sir?"

Voyager was already mining that with Seven of Nine wearing a ridiculous high heel jumpsuit and her Borg implants reduced to the eyebrow thing and the bit on her hand.

The Borg Queen is that problem when writers start exploring an unstoppable popular antagonist. The more you peel off the layers and show relatable links, the more what makes them appealing dies. The Borg are horrific for the same reason zombies or the Cybermen- they're basically marching corpses, with just a vestige of humanity left. They are a relentless hive mind who more than have the technology to back up their ambitions and worst of all they can make you one of them in an instant, your own unique identity snuffed out.

 

i hate the borg. i used to be "oh shit! its the borg!" now im "oh shit. its the borg...". trying to de-borg hugh in tng was a great episode, but thats where it shouldve stopped. but no. they not only added a borg to voyager, but then they added FOUR MORE with those damn kids. fortunately, three of them left fairly quickly, but that still left iqball or ihop or whatever the hell his name was for a while. it wouldve been different had either character had been interesting, but they werent, and we got maybe a half dozen fair episodes involving them (i still think the voyager conspiracy is a good ep. i like how they spin events into different points of view)

 

i didnt mind the queen so much in first contact, although that shouldve been the end of her. for a movie, you want a face to be the big bad. having it just be some random, interchangeable drone just doesnt seem right

 

the borg work best with limited screentime and when theyre treated as the monsters that go bump in the night. they should never be your crewmates


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:11 PM

I hope Jeri Ryan costars as Seven of Nine.

...I was just saying that to be contrary but actually Picard having to work with a Borg could be interesting.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:18 PM

That would be awesome. I mean, they both were borg then not borg. She is probably the only person he could relate that to.
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:23 PM

She may have been poured into skin tight clothing for ratings, but I actually always liked 7 of 9 and thought Jeri Ryan was a good actress.

 

I never really liked Kes. My only regret about her leaving the show is that they didn't have her fly out on a shuttle with Neelix and Kim onboard and have it explode.



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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:57 PM

they not only added a borg to voyager, but then they added FOUR MORE with those damn kids. fortunately, three of them left fairly quickly, but that still left iqball or ihop or whatever the hell his name was for a while.

Icheb.

And the biggest wasted opportunity with him is that we never got the "Itchy and Q-ball at Starfleet Academy" spinoff they were so perfectly setting up.



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 09:04 PM

I, for one, want Data to stay dead.  If he comes back, it means that he's just a collection of lower-case data that can be transferred to any compatible hardware.  It diminishes his status as a unique being and destroys his progression towards becoming more human.  He didn't have a good death, but I'd rather accept it than undo it.

 

The thing I'm mostly excited about with this series is seeing the Star Trek universe 20 years after Nemesis.  There's a lot that should have happened in that time.  Voyager brought back a bunch of technology that could be developed. 

 

I'd say there's a 50/50 chance that the show acknowledges the destruction of Romulus.  I don't think CBS should feel obligated to respect the dumb thing that JJ did.  I kind of hope that remains canon, but I don't think I'll be mad if it's ignored.

 

In my imaginary version of this series, Picard has left Starfleet to pursue his passion of archaeology.  Romulus has been destroyed, and the remains of the Romulan Star Empire have an uneasy peace with the Federation, with some border worlds joining the Federation.  But a new faction within the former Romulan Empire are staging an uprising.  The Federation calls upon the man who helped open the lines of communication with Romulus 20 years ago in order to help restore peace.  Things happen.  Picard probably dies for peace.



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Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:42 AM

She may have been poured into skin tight clothing for ratings, but I actually always liked 7 of 9 and thought Jeri Ryan was a good actress.

 

I wish they'd kept her more Borgified for a while though.  I get that they wanted to ratchet up her sex appeal to 11, but I think they could have started out with her hair first which would have given her a "sexy zombie" look without taking away that pseudo-Gigeresque she started out with.



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Posted 01 September 2018 - 02:21 AM

I, for one, want Data to stay dead.  If he comes back, it means that he's just a collection of lower-case data that can be transferred to any compatible hardware.  It diminishes his status as a unique being and destroys his progression towards becoming more human.  He didn't have a good death, but I'd rather accept it than undo it.

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"The Schizoid Man" and "Inheritance" (and The Search for Spock, for that matter) have already long established that, as far as the Trek universe goes, even organic consciousness can be transferred, both to other organic brains as well as into compatible artificial neural nets. I wouldn't say it diminishes anything; just indicates that the understanding of how the brain works has progressed to the point where that's possible.



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Posted 01 September 2018 - 04:32 AM

Didn't Data get remade from B-4 in the Kelvin movie prequel comics?


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Posted 01 September 2018 - 08:56 AM

Yeah but those aren't canon.

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 10:27 AM

I, for one, want Data to stay dead.  If he comes back, it means that he's just a collection of lower-case data that can be transferred to any compatible hardware.  It diminishes his status as a unique being and destroys his progression towards becoming more human.  He didn't have a good death, but I'd rather accept it than undo it.
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"The Schizoid Man" and "Inheritance" (and The Search for Spock, for that matter) have already long established that, as far as the Trek universe goes, even organic consciousness can be transferred, both to other organic brains as well as into compatible artificial neural nets. I wouldn't say it diminishes anything; just indicates that the understanding of how the brain works has progressed to the point where that's possible.

Maybe I’m nitpicking (I am a Star Trek fan, after all), but while copying a mind is possible, I don’t think that the copied mind is literally the original person, even if it thinks it is. That might be a difference that makes no difference, but it would feel really cheap to me to bring back Data in that way.

In Spock’s case, his copied consciousness ended up back where it started. So that makes post-resurrection Spock a second generation copy and/or a whole original. I think the post-resurrection training indicates that the transfer was imperfect. But because the original body and brain are involved, it makes sense to accept him as the original Spock.

I would also reference DS9’s “Life Support,” where Bareil is injured and as he declines, his brain is slowly replaced with a positronic implant. It becomes clear that even though he retains his memories, he loses his humanity (Bajoranity). This indicates that there is a difference between a brain and a copy of a brain.

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 10:29 AM

Which is why Q saving Data avoids that issue. Data is Data.
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 12:11 PM

 

I would also reference DS9’s “Life Support,” where Bareil is injured and as he declines, his brain is slowly replaced with a positronic implant. It becomes clear that even though he retains his memories, he loses his humanity (Bajoranity). This indicates that there is a difference between a brain and a copy of a brain.

 

 

That was an interesting one... though I enjoy the episode in general, I feel that aspect of it kind of descended into schlock territory. Prior to that, it was always pretty clear that the Soong-type androids were the only successful applications of positronic technology; what DS9 probably meant to say was "cybernetic", but the writer either got confused or just wanted to throw "positronic" in there was a TNG connection. It's canon, though, so we have to account for it somehow.

 

I'll say this; Julian Bashir is no Dr. Soong; nor even an Ira Graves-tier intellect (not even close, despite his genetic enhancements). Both those men developed ways of transitioning an active, living consciousness into an artificial neural net. Their work, techniques and technologies are virtually unknown in the wider Federation, given how reclusive both became as they got older; and even the specialists who may still remember their earlier work and know a bit more about them still don't actually have a working understanding of their greatest breakthroughs. Hell even Geordi, who probably spent more time working on Data than anyone except Dr. Soong himself, only has a rudimentary understanding of how his brain works and certainly couldn't create a stable neural net himself (the Holy Grail, as it were, and not even Data could do that).

 

We also don't know exactly which parts, or even how much of Bareil's brain tissue was replaced with "positronic" (cybernetic) implants. It was actually quite a disturbing episode, IMO, and a bit out of character for Star Trek, even for DS9. Whatever implants he did receive were likely very crude, designed to mimic the basic functions of the tissue they replaced. Since nobody other than Dr. Soong has successfully created a stable artificial neural net (which is what houses the actual consciousness), it's safe to assume that Bareil didn't receive anything like that. None of the organic brain regions responsible for memory or personality were probably replaced; but perhaps sections that allowed those regions to interact and express themselves were compromised.

 

As far as copies vs an original goes, the transporter in Trek has the same issue; real-life teleportation (were it possible on a macro scale) is said to result in the destruction of the original and the creation of a copy at the destination. But Trek's transporters have been said not to work this way; that the "reconstructed" person or object is the original, the same actual energy being "beamed" to the destination and used to rebuild the matter in the same exact way. Most would say that being disassembled at a molecular or atomic level would effectively "kill" you, no matter how well you're put back together, but who's to say, really? Consider that 500 years ago if you lost an arm or finger it was gone for good... today, if you're lucky and doctors work quickly, you may get it back. It's made clear that Ira Graves believes just as strongly that his method of consciousness transfer is just that; a true transfer rather than a copy. It's safe to assume that Dr. Soong believed the same of the process he used to save his wife (and in the books, himself as well).


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Posted 01 September 2018 - 09:40 PM

"The Inner Light" was on a couple of days ago.  I wouldn't mind seeing more reference to this episode in an upcoming Picard story.  He lived for decades as another man, had a wife, children, grandchildren.  There's no way that it wouldn't have a lasting impact on him. 



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Posted 02 September 2018 - 09:39 AM

... Dammit, now I need

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 01:40 PM

 

 

I would also reference DS9’s “Life Support,” where Bareil is injured and as he declines, his brain is slowly replaced with a positronic implant. It becomes clear that even though he retains his memories, he loses his humanity (Bajoranity). This indicates that there is a difference between a brain and a copy of a brain.

 

 

That was an interesting one... though I enjoy the episode in general, I feel that aspect of it kind of descended into schlock territory. Prior to that, it was always pretty clear that the Soong-type androids were the only successful applications of positronic technology; what DS9 probably meant to say was "cybernetic", but the writer either got confused or just wanted to throw "positronic" in there was a TNG connection. It's canon, though, so we have to account for it somehow.

 

I'll say this; Julian Bashir is no Dr. Soong; nor even an Ira Graves-tier intellect (not even close, despite his genetic enhancements). Both those men developed ways of transitioning an active, living consciousness into an artificial neural net. Their work, techniques and technologies are virtually unknown in the wider Federation, given how reclusive both became as they got older; and even the specialists who may still remember their earlier work and know a bit more about them still don't actually have a working understanding of their greatest breakthroughs. Hell even Geordi, who probably spent more time working on Data than anyone except Dr. Soong himself, only has a rudimentary understanding of how his brain works and certainly couldn't create a stable neural net himself (the Holy Grail, as it were, and not even Data could do that).

 

We also don't know exactly which parts, or even how much of Bareil's brain tissue was replaced with "positronic" (cybernetic) implants. It was actually quite a disturbing episode, IMO, and a bit out of character for Star Trek, even for DS9. Whatever implants he did receive were likely very crude, designed to mimic the basic functions of the tissue they replaced. Since nobody other than Dr. Soong has successfully created a stable artificial neural net (which is what houses the actual consciousness), it's safe to assume that Bareil didn't receive anything like that. None of the organic brain regions responsible for memory or personality were probably replaced; but perhaps sections that allowed those regions to interact and express themselves were compromised.

 

As far as copies vs an original goes, the transporter in Trek has the same issue; real-life teleportation (were it possible on a macro scale) is said to result in the destruction of the original and the creation of a copy at the destination. But Trek's transporters have been said not to work this way; that the "reconstructed" person or object is the original, the same actual energy being "beamed" to the destination and used to rebuild the matter in the same exact way. Most would say that being disassembled at a molecular or atomic level would effectively "kill" you, no matter how well you're put back together, but who's to say, really? Consider that 500 years ago if you lost an arm or finger it was gone for good... today, if you're lucky and doctors work quickly, you may get it back. It's made clear that Ira Graves believes just as strongly that his method of consciousness transfer is just that; a true transfer rather than a copy. It's safe to assume that Dr. Soong believed the same of the process he used to save his wife (and in the books, himself as well).

 

 

It's a philosophical question, really.  What is a person?  Is a person simply the some of their experiences?  Or is a person a unique and inseparable combination of mind and body?  I favor the latter.



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Posted 02 September 2018 - 02:25 PM

I prefer the former and I view a physical body as just another type of machine, currently inseparable, but only because we lack an understanding of how a lot of it works. I suspect they won't remain inseparable forever, although I don't expect that breakthrough in any of our lifetimes. But hey, that's what cryogenics is for :p.


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Posted 02 September 2018 - 10:43 PM

Voyager’s Doctor is noteworthy. He is explicitly software-only and hardware-agnostic. He can exist in Voyager’s computer or in a 29th century mobile emitter. He can be backed up and run on alien hardware.

I don’t know what that means, really. Life can take many forms.



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