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@  Sean Whitmore : (15 January 2019 - 08:47 PM)

The fact that Adventure Time was on the air for 8 years and at no point did Nintendo hand the creators a large sack of money and say, "Please make a Mario thing for us" will forever anger me.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 07:03 PM)

There was so much awesome put into design and conception of the super mario bros. movie, and it didn't even need the branding: but it wouldn't have made it to the screen without the branding.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:56 PM)

Many aspects of it have stuck in my memory, though. The boots, the devolution ray, the aesthetic of the dinosaur city

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

I had no idea there was another Mario Bros. movie coming out, though. Doubt it'll top the first one, it was just so bizarre

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

They already act a bit like minions; they just aren't stupid

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 05:35 PM)

The trouble is: I honestly can't decide if making them minions would be better or worse than the continuously shrill voices they've used for the last 20 years.

@  Paladin : (15 January 2019 - 05:27 PM)

hope everyone's ready for Toads to look, act & sound like the Minions forever...

@  Lancer : (15 January 2019 - 04:54 PM)

I mean, considering Illumination is making the new Mario movie, Super Mario Bros. 1993 won't be the worst Mario movie anymore

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 04:36 PM)

"Sir, your pizza's here." "Not now!"

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Actually, yeah. I think I need to watch it again. Great movie.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 03:44 PM)

It's a fun movie with amazing sets. As long as you don't try to connect it to anything else Mario, it's fine.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Damn, I haven't thought about the Super Mario Bros. feature film in forever. Need to watch it again, soon; I can only imagine it gets better with time.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Re:Zero is a fantastic series.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 03:10 PM)

Yeah it's not a bad concept, it's just that lately the term is associated with "I, a Loser Everyman, Woke Up In a Generic Fantasy Setting Where I'm Super Special So Now Girls Orbit Me"

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 12:59 PM)

So too is the old Super Mario Bros movie

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 12:28 PM)

I went and looked up the term "isekai"... that's not actually as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 12:19 PM)

I'm not sure, but the cartoon segments of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show are.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Wait. A. Minute. Is Blaster Master an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (15 January 2019 - 08:49 AM)

*Dragon Slave*

@  Xellos : (15 January 2019 - 06:22 AM)

I used to use a pic like that as my avatar for years, but that... is a secret.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 02:07 AM)

Is Flatland an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (14 January 2019 - 11:16 PM)

@Xellos Every time I see you post, I picture Xellos' infuriating smug grin and finger waggling with the "sore wa hi*mi*tsu*desu <3"

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 09:50 PM)

The Last Starfighter is also one of those

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

Astronaut gets shot through a wornhole and ends up on a living starship full of escaped alien prisoners.

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

I realized a few months ago that Farscape is a sci-fi-based Isekai.

@  Sabrblade : (14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM)

The Thor movies and Enchanted, as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (14 January 2019 - 08:45 PM)

@xellos We get to many of those in Hollywood movies.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 08:13 PM)

Re:Creators!

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 07:47 PM)

There is also Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero, where people regularly get summoned to a fantasy world, then eventually sent back with their accumulated powers (and the main character smuggles the demon lord's daugher by his request, which is a no-no)

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 07:23 PM)

We need more inverse isekais, like The Devil is a Part-Timer

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 04:11 PM)

I feel like Tron is pushing it but I can't actually come up with an argument to that effect

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

To Arazyr- I don't see why it wouldn't be.

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 02:11 PM)

Just like how TRON and Captain N are early examples of "getting transported into a video game"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (14 January 2019 - 02:07 PM)

That would explain why it's so common for isekai settings to be blatantly RPG-inspired.

@  Arazyr : (14 January 2019 - 01:42 PM)

Would the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon count as isekai? 8^)

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:06 PM)

I am in the exceedingly unpleasant position of knowing what you're talking about

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:05 PM)

So I'll just say I can consume the series without endorsing the real-life lie that false rape accusations are common and successful.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:04 PM)

I would go on to talk about that, but alas, that would spoil significant future story details about the accuser.

@  B-Fox : (14 January 2019 - 12:03 PM)

Shield Hero dared to have a male character falsely accused of rape, right?

@  B-Fox : (14 January 2019 - 12:02 PM)

At least now people will stop shitting on slice-of-life shows....

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:01 PM)

listen just because it has shield in its name does not mean you need to ally with it

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:01 PM)

oh good lord

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:00 PM)

In fact, the Shield Hero series does not portray slavery as a good thing nor keep the initial slave characters down for the count.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:00 PM)

If you're referring to The Rising of the Shield Hero, the backlash from some Western fans is misaimed, IMO.

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 11:59 AM)

I wish I was more surprised that "slavery apologetics" is a thing. Still disgusted.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 11:53 AM)

But surely we all know the best isekai is Captain N.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 11:49 AM)

This morning I saw one of my friends express disbelief at having an opportunity to say "yet another slavery apologist isekai"

@  Lancer : (14 January 2019 - 11:21 AM)

Although recently they explicably acquire a harem by purchasing them as slaves, which makes it that much worse

@  Lancer : (14 January 2019 - 11:21 AM)

I think what people hate is the modern trend of isekai taking place in generic-ass fantasy settings with bland, oft-overpowered male protagonists that inexplicably acquire a harem.

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Does Kingdom Hearts count? On the one hand it's a serial world hopping adventure, on the other hand all the worlds are contained within the same overworld that the characters have always been in, just unaware of.


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 04:09 PM

To me it had the best combat in both space and hand to hand of any of films(up to that point because Spock vs Khan was epic). The borg were a ton more dangerous than they ever were in the series. And personally, I like the Borg Queen as a living avatar of the collective. Cochran steals every scene that he is in, so most of the planet side scenes are great to me.


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 07:14 PM

Yeah, First Contact was the Borg Queen done right.

Voyager picked up the concept and proceeded to ignore what the movie explicitly established (the Queen isn't the "ruler" of the Collective, she's a handpuppet being worn by an eldritch abomination).

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 09:19 PM

Man, over 20 years on and the arguments on First Contact introducing the Queen to the Borg are never going to end, are they?


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Posted 15 August 2018 - 10:25 PM

Why should they?  They took what is supposed to be a faceless, emotionless entity and gave us the fact that it still can't get over Picard.

 

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Posted 16 August 2018 - 08:11 AM

Man, over 20 years on and the arguments on First Contact introducing the Queen to the Borg are never going to end, are they?

 

Not if I have anything to say about it!


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Posted 16 August 2018 - 07:58 PM

Yeah, First Contact was the Borg Queen done right.

Voyager picked up the concept and proceeded to ignore what the movie explicitly established (the Queen isn't the "ruler" of the Collective, she's a handpuppet being worn by an eldritch abomination).

 

While I like that explanation, I have seen the movie many times and that has never occurred to me.  I don't think it fits, though.  Why did all the Borg die when the handpuppet died?



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Posted 16 August 2018 - 08:19 PM

She's the collective's man focus node.  When they went back to the past to undo the future that is Aku, the Borg got cut off from the rest of the Collective save for this tiny piece.

 

Ironbite-the piece that had a boner for Loctus.


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Posted 21 August 2018 - 01:20 PM

Here is an idea...I know it gets into bad fanfiction...but here goes.

 

Q could have saved Data before he went boom.  He set him up in a remote planet to explore his humanity.  Data looses his mind in isolation and realizes that a being that had the mind of a human and the body of a machine was the superior life form.  He knew the Borg failed because they had the mind of a machine, and human parts.  He experiments with this concept and realizes he can create the bodies and "free" minds to go into them.  He begins a quest to "help" humanity by helping it to the next stage of evolution.  He travels around capturing humans and downloading them.  Some take well and some do not.  Many little "cyber" kingdoms pop up as people use their newfound strength to subjugate others.

 

A federation starship stumbles on a kingdom and find the origin.

 

Starfleet knows that only one man can reason with Data...Picard.  So the pull him from retirement.

 

This ship transports him and they chase down Data.

 

In following him, they run across many kingdoms and problems.  Each episode could be a different problem to solve as each "antagonist" is just a person with a different part of their personality amplified.  There would be many opportunities for morality plays and pondering.  It would also give the opportunity to wrap up each episode an allow stand alone adventures.  Each of the new crew could shine and bring their own brand of problem solving to this.

 

The ultimate moral question is "Is it right to change someone for the better, against their will?"  In the final episode, Q, Picard and Data can debate this in true Next Gen fashion.

 

I could watch that.


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Posted 21 August 2018 - 01:41 PM

If I had my way, Data would have been made a real boy by Q and has spent the last thirty years living on some distant federation colony. He could even have a family. Through a series of events he rejoins starfleet and adventures ensue.
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Posted 21 August 2018 - 01:50 PM

She's the collective's man focus node.  When they went back to the past to undo the future that is Aku, the Borg got cut off from the rest of the Collective save for this tiny piece.
 
Ironbite-the piece that had a boner for Loctus.


Well it WAS the MAN focus mode... (assuming it was a typo for 'main' instead of an intentional joke)
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Posted 22 August 2018 - 12:35 PM

I really want this series to bring Data back. He was my favorite character and his death was a tragedy. That being said, the description upthread of how the novels brought him back really feels...overly complex and fanwanky, and just...not good, at least on paper. I'd rather they just go with what happened in IDW's Countdown comic where

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That being also said, though, I don't need him to come back to the show necessarily, I'd be fine with Picard being like, "yeah, he's fine, he recovered, he's out there doing his thing somewhere."



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Posted 22 August 2018 - 01:06 PM

As much as I want Data back, having Q intervene in a non-Q story would fundamentally break Star Trek.  How can there ever be any tension or consequences if there is a literal god standing by to rescue our heroes?  



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Posted 22 August 2018 - 01:22 PM

I really want this series to bring Data back. He was my favorite character and his death was a tragedy. That being said, the description upthread of how the novels brought him back really feels...overly complex and fanwanky, and just...not good, at least on paper. I'd rather they just go with what happened in IDW's Countdown comic where

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. I'd also like to note that everyone (including the actor) forgot that he said on TNG that part of his design caused him to appear to naturally age.

 

That being also said, though, I don't need him to come back to the show necessarily, I'd be fine with Picard being like, "yeah, he's fine, he recovered, he's out there doing his thing somewhere."

I agree with the fanwankery, but this entire series is meant to appeal to nostalgia of the 90's.  It would be a cheap way for them to maximize their profits...and make a show

 

As much as I want Data back, having Q intervene in a non-Q story would fundamentally break Star Trek.  How can there ever be any tension or consequences if there is a literal god standing by to rescue our heroes?  

I don't think he is rescuing Data, he is using him to create a crisis and further test Picard.

 

Granted, this is not the best idea, but probably similar to something CBS would try.


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Posted 22 August 2018 - 02:24 PM

A one off to fix a stupid decision would be fine by me. I normally agree. And it's nor like Q mucking around is out of character where Jean Luc is concerned. He is his favorite human.
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Posted 22 August 2018 - 02:39 PM

The trouble with Data "reasserting" himself through B4 is that it means Data killed his mentally-disabled brother and stole his body.

(And that's ignoring the practical considerations of getting the positronic equivalent of a supercomputer's OS to run on an 80s-era Commodore.)

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Posted 22 August 2018 - 02:57 PM

Yes, B4's body really isn't designed to house Data's consciousness... and certainly doesn't contain the hardware necessary for it to actually express itself properly. The Cold Equations novel addressed all this, too... even had it been possible, Dr. Soong stated unequivocally that he was unwilling to sacrifice B4 to save Data or vice versa, considering both of them his children and deserving of existence. During the process that restored Data, B4 also received numerous software enhancements that would allow him to function at a more competent level going forwards.


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Posted 26 August 2018 - 07:41 PM

You know what fanwank I would literally pay to see in this series? For the show to spend its budget bringing back a Voyager cast member just to have the character canonically declare, "Oh yeah once during the Delta Quadrant journey Tom accidentally took some really powerful drugs. Had a ridiculous dream about exceeding warp 10 and mutating with the Captain to become lizard things."

 

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 09:23 PM

Isn't is possible by this point starfleet would be full AI's, too? I mean, speaking of Voyager, studying the emergency medical hologram should really make that a possibility.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 05:05 AM

The Borg Queen to me has always felt like one of those awkward times where late 90s Trek was saying "Some fanservice with your technobabble, sir?"

Voyager was already mining that with Seven of Nine wearing a ridiculous high heel jumpsuit and her Borg implants reduced to the eyebrow thing and the bit on her hand.

The Borg Queen is that problem when writers start exploring an unstoppable popular antagonist. The more you peel off the layers and show relatable links, the more what makes them appealing dies. The Borg are horrific for the same reason zombies or the Cybermen- they're basically marching corpses, with just a vestige of humanity left. They are a relentless hive mind who more than have the technology to back up their ambitions and worst of all they can make you one of them in an instant, your own unique identity snuffed out.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 05:48 AM

Worst. Episode. Ever.

 

Not even the worst episode of that season.





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