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@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Well, when you understand the history of the area it make sense. It's basically a series of countries buying the place, moving in, saying "we rule you people now", and the locals shrugging and responding, "okay, you have fun with that".

@  Sabrblade : (16 April 2019 - 07:58 AM)

When did we all turn into Henry Higgins?

@  unluckiness : (16 April 2019 - 03:16 AM)

To be fair, most Americans can't get the hang of English, so I can understand why.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:15 AM)

(And yeah, Calliope is a Greek muse, not French, but the street was named BY the French when they took over.)

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:10 AM)

In New Orleans there's a bunch of streets with French names that are pronounced by locals with a more English emphasis, for example "Calliope Street" is pronounced "CAL-lee-ope".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 11:56 PM)

I figured as much for Canadians.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 11:37 PM)

hm; whenever I've heard people talk about the school they said it the same way as the cathedral...but I guess that's in Canada, so they're probably more familiar with the cathedral than the school

@  Dracula : (15 April 2019 - 11:11 PM)

There's plenty of place names in the US like that. Around here we have an "el doh-RAY-doh," and up north there's a Cairo that's pronounced "kay-roh"

@  RichardT1977 : (15 April 2019 - 09:56 PM)

Yeah, the common pronunciation of the University is probably the reason most Americans don't pronounce the Cathedral name correctly.

@  Arazyr : (15 April 2019 - 08:03 PM)

That's my understanding of how the two are supposed to be pronounced as well.

@  Echowarrior : (15 April 2019 - 07:42 PM)

When I'm talking about the cathedral, I say "noh-treh dahme". When I talk about the university, I say "noh-ter dayme". I don't see a problem with that.

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 06:26 PM)

guessing "Hunchback" just got bumped WAY down the list for Disney's live-action remakes...

@  Patch : (15 April 2019 - 05:56 PM)

We all pronounce it wrong, so no one knows enough to care.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 05:40 PM)

It'd be odd for most Americans not to know how to pronounce Notre Dame, considering they have a University with the same name that's the subject of a relatively popular film based around a sport most Americans love

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Three or four more hours will be needed to contain the fire.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Update from France 24: the Paris Fire Brigade says two towers and the main structure of the cathedral have been saved from complete destruction.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:57 PM)

One does not have to speak French to know that rhyming with "voter name" is off the mark.

@  Locoman : (15 April 2019 - 03:51 PM)

Really? It's an international tragedy and you're zeroing in on the people who maybe don't speak French?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:44 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw I just read on BBC News that the cause is not yet clear, but officials suspect the fire could be linked to renovation work.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:42 PM)

Oh boy, here we go with the U.S.-American newscasters who can't pronounce "Notre Dame" correctly.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 April 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Too soon to say.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 April 2019 - 03:20 PM)

Do we know if it was an attack? Arson? Or just bad wiring?

@  Nevermore : (15 April 2019 - 02:10 PM)

Religion is dead?

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 02:01 PM)

major cathedral burning down on Holy Week is some kind of metaphor.

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:54 PM)

Hard to believe a wonder of the world could just be wiped out so easily. Hopefully they can still save it

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Well, Notre Dame is burning down

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 10:05 AM)

yikes I thought the site was going to be down for a while

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:07 PM)

So, time for another strike. No sleep for me tonight. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:04 PM)

Think Game of Thrones "light" meets Cabaret and you get the idea.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:03 PM)

Kinda sorta, just with more intrigue, conspiracy, depravity, crime and violence.

@  RichardT1977 : (14 April 2019 - 06:37 PM)

So it's like a prequel to Cabaret?

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 04:02 PM)

And man, characters are smoking literally EVERYWHERE.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:27 PM)

Also, full frontal male nudity. (There's been quite a bit of female nudity since episode 1.)

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:26 PM)

Episode 6, and Hitler is randomly name-checked.

@  Xellos : (14 April 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Runa runa!

@  Sabrblade : (14 April 2019 - 09:10 AM)

Wocka wocka!

@  The Doctor Who : (14 April 2019 - 06:59 AM)

Lewd

@  Paladin : (14 April 2019 - 06:57 AM)

troutstick.

@  MEDdMI : (14 April 2019 - 06:34 AM)

With a trout.

@  Xellos : (14 April 2019 - 05:44 AM)

With a stick?

@  MEDdMI : (13 April 2019 - 10:56 PM)

*slaps them both*

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 April 2019 - 07:31 PM)

Seems like a polarizing decision, but it's not like jest anyone could make it for you.

@  Xellos : (13 April 2019 - 06:06 PM)

I had an epiphany today. My spirit animal is Fozzie Bear. We both love our un-bear-able jokes, which make people feel like they are being pun-ished.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:24 AM)

That's what makes the show so poignant, I think. It take a contemporary perspective, rather than a modern one. The hardships of the time aren't glossed over, but they're portrayed very stoically. Yeah, many people suffered, there was poverty, but so was life at the time. There's also a high-ranking Jewish police official who's a very by-the-books guy and supports the frail democracy of Weimar Germany. If you want to learn more about how Germany BEFORE the Period Everyone Knows About, this show is as good as it gets.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:19 AM)

Because in retrospect, we (even here in Germany) tend to view the era with knowledge of what would later come, but in reality, the Nazis started out as a regional fringe movement and basically just happened to be in the right place at the right time to seize power.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:18 AM)

The communists are a much bigger threat. When the Nazis appear, they will likely do so with a bang. Like, completely out of left field.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:17 AM)

The show tries its best to accurately depict the zeitgeist of the era, the post-war period with a young, struggling (and ultimately doomed) democracy... but like in real life, the Nazis aren't really an issue on anyone's mind yet.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:16 AM)

The female lead is a young, aspiring typist and part-time prostitute who dreams of becoming a police officer working in the murder department.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:15 AM)

During his investigations, he becomes involved in political unrest, murder cases, a conspiracy of reactionary monarchists, Russian counter-revolutionaries and more.

@  Nevermore : (12 April 2019 - 06:14 AM)

@Benbot: Babylon Berlin is a film noir-style crime drama set in the German capital of Berlin in the year 1929. It features a World War I veteran turned police officer from Cologne who comes to Berlin to investigate a porn ring that blackmails his superior, the grand mayor of Cologne (who would later become the first chancellor of post-WWII Germany).


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#1 SHIELD Agent 47

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 12:36 PM

In anticipation of this project reaching fruition, I am splitting off Picard series discussion into its own thread.

 

Announcement at STLV 2018:

 

 

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News in a text article from Variety:
 

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 05:34 PM

We still have no idea what the actual series concept is, right? It could be Picard in space commanding a starship with one or two other returning cast members and a new crew, Picard retired in France tending to his family's vineyard, or Admiral Picard as an occasional guest star as a professor in the rumored Starfleet Academy show?



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 05:44 PM

We still have no idea what the actual series concept is, right? It could be Picard in space commanding a starship with one or two other returning cast members and a new crew, Picard retired in France tending to his family's vineyard, or Admiral Picard as an occasional guest star as a professor in the rumored Starfleet Academy show?

 

That unless he took Kirk's words to heart, don't let them promote or do anything that takes him off the bridge of the ship


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 06:17 PM

While I have no objections to that line in particular, I'd be perfectly fine with the new show pretending the Next Generation movies never happened.



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 06:18 PM

We still have no idea what the actual series concept is, right? It could be Picard in space commanding a starship with one or two other returning cast members and a new crew, Picard retired in France tending to his family's vineyard, or Admiral Picard as an occasional guest star as a professor in the rumored Starfleet Academy show?

 

Correct. No story details whatsoever save for Patrick Stewart returning as Jean-Luc Picard in a timeframe after Star Trek Nemesis.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 10:26 AM

While I have no objections to that line in particular, I'd be perfectly fine with the new show pretending the Next Generation movies never happened.

 

Be fair.

 

Let's just pretend NEMESIS didn't happen. the rest were enjoyable.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 10:38 AM

Just say Q saved Data as a favor for Picard and all is right again.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 04:11 PM

Is this going to be an actual series?  With Stewart's status, I was assuming this would be just one or two episodes of an anthology, or perhaps a short miniseries lasting ~6 episodes or so.  What do you think it's going to be?  



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 04:15 PM

Just say Q saved Data as a favor for Picard and all is right again.

I would be totally fine with that.  Or if they wanted to go the book route, that's acceptable.  But I want to see someone other than Spiner playing the character, unless they can CG-unage him and he's totally on board.  I definitely want him on board in some fashion, but given what he has always said about aging while playing an ageless character, and going so far as co-writing Data's death, it seems stupid to just come back without some accommodation.  



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 04:27 PM

 

Just say Q saved Data as a favor for Picard and all is right again.

I would be totally fine with that.  Or if they wanted to go the book route, that's acceptable.  But I want to see someone other than Spiner playing the character, unless they can CG-unage him and he's totally on board.  I definitely want him on board in some fashion, but given what he has always said about aging while playing an ageless character, and going so far as co-writing Data's death, it seems stupid to just come back without some accommodation.  

 

 

If Spiner were interested in coming back, the book route provides a sufficient reason for Data no longer appearing ageless, and gives the character a lot more room for development.



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:05 PM

I would have Q give Data his humanity. He was saved and got to live as a person until whenever Picard sees him again.

What do the books say about him? I never dabbled in those.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:31 PM

I would have Q give Data his humanity. He was saved and got to live as a person until whenever Picard sees him again.

What do the books say about him? I never dabbled in those.

 

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:45 PM

Ah, the 2012 TNG Cold Equations novel trilogy by David Mack.

 

Mack does excellent work.

 

I also like how in 2017's Section 31 - Control,

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:46 PM

That's so intense. Very involved and detailed. Thanks for saving me the google.

I don't know how I feel about it, but it's only as crazy as someone putting their brain inside one of their friends only to have their vessel rejuvenated by a freak device on a fake planet.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:51 PM

Short version:
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Honestly, I'd be fine with just leaving Data offscreen and not mentioning him. This is supposed to be "a new chapter," so it's unlikely Picard will be aboard the Enterprise. That suggests he'll be surrounded by new characters. Best to keep the TNG cast away from this non-TNG show. The most I'd want to see is Worf making a brief one-episode cameo to reveal that he's now the Enterprise's Captain.

The real sticking point for me is Beverly and René, who should be with him (I know "All Good Things" posited an end to their marriage, but A) that's non-canon now, and B) now that Han/Leia has been destroyed, I need at least one of my childhood heroes to have a successful marriage).

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:53 PM

It's a fantastic read, if you get the opportunity or find it in your local library. That, as well as the Destiny trilogy, were some of the first Star Trek stories to get me truly excited about Trek again in a long while. They reference the past without feeling too fanwanky, and contain some really solid and interesting story ideas for the future.

 

It's why I hope the upcoming Picard series takes at least some cues from the recent books, as it's pretty obvious while reading them that so much care and love for Trek went into the writing.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 06:48 PM

On the one hand, we're going back to an era of Trek where things were fun and original.  On the other hand, we're basically retreading old ground.  I love Sir Patrick I really do.  I just don't think going back to Picard is the right move for the franchise.

 

Ironbite-stepping past Voyager would but we keep wallowing in the past for some reason.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 11:38 PM

 

While I have no objections to that line in particular, I'd be perfectly fine with the new show pretending the Next Generation movies never happened.

 

Be fair.

 

Let's just pretend NEMESIS didn't happen. the rest were enjoyable.

 

 

Nah, I pretty much hated all of them. Well, "Generations" was okay. By which I mean, it wasn't a great movie and didn't really make sense, but at least it wasn't super boring ("Insurrection"), a complete betrayal of characters and plotlines from the series ("First Contact"), or all of the above ("Nemesis").

 

At least, that's how I remember them. It's been a while since I've seen any of them, but I sure hated them when they came out. So I'm hoping this new series gives me better post-TNG Picard stories than they did.



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Posted 13 August 2018 - 09:13 AM

I still say that First Contact is the best Star Trek movie of all of them, including the TOS films and the Kelvinverse series.


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 02:35 PM

I like First Contact, but it is an extremely flawed film and its existence robbed us of a proper Borg movie, so it doesn't even break the top three for me.





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