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@  Sean Whitmore : (15 January 2019 - 08:47 PM)

The fact that Adventure Time was on the air for 8 years and at no point did Nintendo hand the creators a large sack of money and say, "Please make a Mario thing for us" will forever anger me.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 07:03 PM)

There was so much awesome put into design and conception of the super mario bros. movie, and it didn't even need the branding: but it wouldn't have made it to the screen without the branding.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:56 PM)

Many aspects of it have stuck in my memory, though. The boots, the devolution ray, the aesthetic of the dinosaur city

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

I had no idea there was another Mario Bros. movie coming out, though. Doubt it'll top the first one, it was just so bizarre

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

They already act a bit like minions; they just aren't stupid

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 05:35 PM)

The trouble is: I honestly can't decide if making them minions would be better or worse than the continuously shrill voices they've used for the last 20 years.

@  Paladin : (15 January 2019 - 05:27 PM)

hope everyone's ready for Toads to look, act & sound like the Minions forever...

@  Lancer : (15 January 2019 - 04:54 PM)

I mean, considering Illumination is making the new Mario movie, Super Mario Bros. 1993 won't be the worst Mario movie anymore

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 04:36 PM)

"Sir, your pizza's here." "Not now!"

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Actually, yeah. I think I need to watch it again. Great movie.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 03:44 PM)

It's a fun movie with amazing sets. As long as you don't try to connect it to anything else Mario, it's fine.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Damn, I haven't thought about the Super Mario Bros. feature film in forever. Need to watch it again, soon; I can only imagine it gets better with time.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Re:Zero is a fantastic series.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 03:10 PM)

Yeah it's not a bad concept, it's just that lately the term is associated with "I, a Loser Everyman, Woke Up In a Generic Fantasy Setting Where I'm Super Special So Now Girls Orbit Me"

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 12:59 PM)

So too is the old Super Mario Bros movie

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 12:28 PM)

I went and looked up the term "isekai"... that's not actually as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 12:19 PM)

I'm not sure, but the cartoon segments of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show are.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Wait. A. Minute. Is Blaster Master an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (15 January 2019 - 08:49 AM)

*Dragon Slave*

@  Xellos : (15 January 2019 - 06:22 AM)

I used to use a pic like that as my avatar for years, but that... is a secret.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 02:07 AM)

Is Flatland an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (14 January 2019 - 11:16 PM)

@Xellos Every time I see you post, I picture Xellos' infuriating smug grin and finger waggling with the "sore wa hi*mi*tsu*desu <3"

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 09:50 PM)

The Last Starfighter is also one of those

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

Astronaut gets shot through a wornhole and ends up on a living starship full of escaped alien prisoners.

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

I realized a few months ago that Farscape is a sci-fi-based Isekai.

@  Sabrblade : (14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM)

The Thor movies and Enchanted, as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (14 January 2019 - 08:45 PM)

@xellos We get to many of those in Hollywood movies.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 08:13 PM)

Re:Creators!

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 07:47 PM)

There is also Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero, where people regularly get summoned to a fantasy world, then eventually sent back with their accumulated powers (and the main character smuggles the demon lord's daugher by his request, which is a no-no)

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 07:23 PM)

We need more inverse isekais, like The Devil is a Part-Timer

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 04:11 PM)

I feel like Tron is pushing it but I can't actually come up with an argument to that effect

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

To Arazyr- I don't see why it wouldn't be.

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 02:11 PM)

Just like how TRON and Captain N are early examples of "getting transported into a video game"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (14 January 2019 - 02:07 PM)

That would explain why it's so common for isekai settings to be blatantly RPG-inspired.

@  Arazyr : (14 January 2019 - 01:42 PM)

Would the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon count as isekai? 8^)

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:06 PM)

I am in the exceedingly unpleasant position of knowing what you're talking about

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:05 PM)

So I'll just say I can consume the series without endorsing the real-life lie that false rape accusations are common and successful.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:04 PM)

I would go on to talk about that, but alas, that would spoil significant future story details about the accuser.

@  B-Fox : (14 January 2019 - 12:03 PM)

Shield Hero dared to have a male character falsely accused of rape, right?

@  B-Fox : (14 January 2019 - 12:02 PM)

At least now people will stop shitting on slice-of-life shows....

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:01 PM)

listen just because it has shield in its name does not mean you need to ally with it

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:01 PM)

oh good lord

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:00 PM)

In fact, the Shield Hero series does not portray slavery as a good thing nor keep the initial slave characters down for the count.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:00 PM)

If you're referring to The Rising of the Shield Hero, the backlash from some Western fans is misaimed, IMO.

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 11:59 AM)

I wish I was more surprised that "slavery apologetics" is a thing. Still disgusted.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 11:53 AM)

But surely we all know the best isekai is Captain N.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 11:49 AM)

This morning I saw one of my friends express disbelief at having an opportunity to say "yet another slavery apologist isekai"

@  Lancer : (14 January 2019 - 11:21 AM)

Although recently they explicably acquire a harem by purchasing them as slaves, which makes it that much worse

@  Lancer : (14 January 2019 - 11:21 AM)

I think what people hate is the modern trend of isekai taking place in generic-ass fantasy settings with bland, oft-overpowered male protagonists that inexplicably acquire a harem.

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Does Kingdom Hearts count? On the one hand it's a serial world hopping adventure, on the other hand all the worlds are contained within the same overworld that the characters have always been in, just unaware of.


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#1 SHIELD Agent 47

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 12:36 PM

In anticipation of this project reaching fruition, I am splitting off Picard series discussion into its own thread.

 

Announcement at STLV 2018:

 

 

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News in a text article from Variety:
 

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 05:34 PM

We still have no idea what the actual series concept is, right? It could be Picard in space commanding a starship with one or two other returning cast members and a new crew, Picard retired in France tending to his family's vineyard, or Admiral Picard as an occasional guest star as a professor in the rumored Starfleet Academy show?



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 05:44 PM

We still have no idea what the actual series concept is, right? It could be Picard in space commanding a starship with one or two other returning cast members and a new crew, Picard retired in France tending to his family's vineyard, or Admiral Picard as an occasional guest star as a professor in the rumored Starfleet Academy show?

 

That unless he took Kirk's words to heart, don't let them promote or do anything that takes him off the bridge of the ship


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 06:17 PM

While I have no objections to that line in particular, I'd be perfectly fine with the new show pretending the Next Generation movies never happened.



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 06:18 PM

We still have no idea what the actual series concept is, right? It could be Picard in space commanding a starship with one or two other returning cast members and a new crew, Picard retired in France tending to his family's vineyard, or Admiral Picard as an occasional guest star as a professor in the rumored Starfleet Academy show?

 

Correct. No story details whatsoever save for Patrick Stewart returning as Jean-Luc Picard in a timeframe after Star Trek Nemesis.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 10:26 AM

While I have no objections to that line in particular, I'd be perfectly fine with the new show pretending the Next Generation movies never happened.

 

Be fair.

 

Let's just pretend NEMESIS didn't happen. the rest were enjoyable.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 10:38 AM

Just say Q saved Data as a favor for Picard and all is right again.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 04:11 PM

Is this going to be an actual series?  With Stewart's status, I was assuming this would be just one or two episodes of an anthology, or perhaps a short miniseries lasting ~6 episodes or so.  What do you think it's going to be?  



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 04:15 PM

Just say Q saved Data as a favor for Picard and all is right again.

I would be totally fine with that.  Or if they wanted to go the book route, that's acceptable.  But I want to see someone other than Spiner playing the character, unless they can CG-unage him and he's totally on board.  I definitely want him on board in some fashion, but given what he has always said about aging while playing an ageless character, and going so far as co-writing Data's death, it seems stupid to just come back without some accommodation.  



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 04:27 PM

 

Just say Q saved Data as a favor for Picard and all is right again.

I would be totally fine with that.  Or if they wanted to go the book route, that's acceptable.  But I want to see someone other than Spiner playing the character, unless they can CG-unage him and he's totally on board.  I definitely want him on board in some fashion, but given what he has always said about aging while playing an ageless character, and going so far as co-writing Data's death, it seems stupid to just come back without some accommodation.  

 

 

If Spiner were interested in coming back, the book route provides a sufficient reason for Data no longer appearing ageless, and gives the character a lot more room for development.



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:05 PM

I would have Q give Data his humanity. He was saved and got to live as a person until whenever Picard sees him again.

What do the books say about him? I never dabbled in those.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:31 PM

I would have Q give Data his humanity. He was saved and got to live as a person until whenever Picard sees him again.

What do the books say about him? I never dabbled in those.

 

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:45 PM

Ah, the 2012 TNG Cold Equations novel trilogy by David Mack.

 

Mack does excellent work.

 

I also like how in 2017's Section 31 - Control,

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:46 PM

That's so intense. Very involved and detailed. Thanks for saving me the google.

I don't know how I feel about it, but it's only as crazy as someone putting their brain inside one of their friends only to have their vessel rejuvenated by a freak device on a fake planet.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:51 PM

Short version:
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Honestly, I'd be fine with just leaving Data offscreen and not mentioning him. This is supposed to be "a new chapter," so it's unlikely Picard will be aboard the Enterprise. That suggests he'll be surrounded by new characters. Best to keep the TNG cast away from this non-TNG show. The most I'd want to see is Worf making a brief one-episode cameo to reveal that he's now the Enterprise's Captain.

The real sticking point for me is Beverly and René, who should be with him (I know "All Good Things" posited an end to their marriage, but A) that's non-canon now, and B) now that Han/Leia has been destroyed, I need at least one of my childhood heroes to have a successful marriage).

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:53 PM

It's a fantastic read, if you get the opportunity or find it in your local library. That, as well as the Destiny trilogy, were some of the first Star Trek stories to get me truly excited about Trek again in a long while. They reference the past without feeling too fanwanky, and contain some really solid and interesting story ideas for the future.

 

It's why I hope the upcoming Picard series takes at least some cues from the recent books, as it's pretty obvious while reading them that so much care and love for Trek went into the writing.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 06:48 PM

On the one hand, we're going back to an era of Trek where things were fun and original.  On the other hand, we're basically retreading old ground.  I love Sir Patrick I really do.  I just don't think going back to Picard is the right move for the franchise.

 

Ironbite-stepping past Voyager would but we keep wallowing in the past for some reason.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 11:38 PM

 

While I have no objections to that line in particular, I'd be perfectly fine with the new show pretending the Next Generation movies never happened.

 

Be fair.

 

Let's just pretend NEMESIS didn't happen. the rest were enjoyable.

 

 

Nah, I pretty much hated all of them. Well, "Generations" was okay. By which I mean, it wasn't a great movie and didn't really make sense, but at least it wasn't super boring ("Insurrection"), a complete betrayal of characters and plotlines from the series ("First Contact"), or all of the above ("Nemesis").

 

At least, that's how I remember them. It's been a while since I've seen any of them, but I sure hated them when they came out. So I'm hoping this new series gives me better post-TNG Picard stories than they did.



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Posted 13 August 2018 - 09:13 AM

I still say that First Contact is the best Star Trek movie of all of them, including the TOS films and the Kelvinverse series.


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 02:35 PM

I like First Contact, but it is an extremely flawed film and its existence robbed us of a proper Borg movie, so it doesn't even break the top three for me.





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