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@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!


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#1361 Rust

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Posted 16 July 2020 - 03:15 PM

I mean, Starfleet's always been authoritarian assholes.

 

Remember, they conspired with the Klingons to ensure peace negotiations between the Empire and Federation would break down.

They all got replaced by alien parasites.

It seems at any given point, at least one prominent admiral is an active, hostile foreign agent or working with questionable people for shady reasons.

 

And that's just from TOS-TNG. I'm sure DS9 and Voyager added their own.



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Posted 16 July 2020 - 03:56 PM

Yeah, the 'Asshole Admiral' is basically a fixture of Trek. DS9 moved away from it in later seasons by introducing a recurring admiral who was basically in charge of Starfleet's Dominion war effort, and Voyager didn't have as many mainly because there were fewer opportunities for it.



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Posted 16 July 2020 - 04:48 PM

While a don't much like Discovery Season 1 and 2 and have mixed feelings about Picard Season 1, I am still very hopeful about the possibilities of long form streaming shows and their apparent interest in doing as many as they can think up.

 

I wonder about the feasibility of making a show set on a freighter well within Starfleet space where they never have to fire on anyone and never discover anything new, but just a character drama set on a SciFi backdrop.  Could that work?



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Posted 16 July 2020 - 04:57 PM

Yeah, the 'Asshole Admiral' is basically a fixture of Trek. DS9 moved away from it in later seasons by introducing a recurring admiral who was basically in charge of Starfleet's Dominion war effort, and Voyager didn't have as many mainly because there were fewer opportunities for it.

Admiral Ross was a huge asshole.

 

No one who uses Inter arma enim silent leges to justify a crime is a good person.

 

The Novels had him as one of the main backers of Section 31 and (rightfully!) arrested for his crimes only for him to be assassinated by Margo Dempsey (the widow of someone Section 31 had killed).


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Posted 16 July 2020 - 05:25 PM

I wasn't going to get into what he does in the books, his big turning point was probably what he did with Min Zife, but I never had that much of an issue with what he does in Inter Arma. I guess it's because it wasn't too different to what Sisko does in Pale Moonlight.



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Posted 16 July 2020 - 05:36 PM

Which for the record was also wrong.

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Posted 16 July 2020 - 06:01 PM

I doubt anyone's hands are entirely clean after a war.

That said, I never took much issue with what Ross did... compared to the TOS and TNG evil Admirals and/or Commodores, he was pretty benign. The same kind of crap goes on in the real world all the time in our intelligence communities, and we tolerate it because we'd rather see our way of life and values continue than some alternative. There are those who argue it's hypocritical to ban Huawei as it's likely the US will spy in exactly the same way. I have no issue with it, however, because I'd much rather be spied on by a like-minded ally than an enemy.

 

Admiral Paris on VOY is probably the only flag officer to finish up a Trek series completely innocent. In fact I wish we'd gotten to see more of him, such as a reunion on Earth with his son and granddaughter.



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Posted 16 July 2020 - 07:24 PM

Admiral Ross was by no means a Good Person™, but the typical Asshole Admiral just sits around waiting offscreen for the main characters to want to do the right thing so he can pop into existence for an episode and order them in the opposite direction, so the fact that we got to know Ross and watched him do things other than support Section 31 puts him at a huge advantage.



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Posted 16 July 2020 - 08:57 PM

i still havent seen picard

 

*watches previously posted video*

 

oh, goody. f bombs are exactly what star trek was lacking

 

probly still wont watch picard...


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Posted 17 July 2020 - 05:58 AM

I feel like if your biggest concern about a new Star Trek series is whether the characters swear more now that they're on a subscription streaming service in 2020 instead of first-run syndication in 1987 then your real biggest concern is probably justifying the decision you'd already made.



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Posted 28 July 2020 - 02:00 PM

Rewatching Voyager eps with the kid borgs makes Icheb's death even worse.

I mean, icheb is getting more development in this episode than the new characters in Picard did.

Between him, hugh, and Seven, I don't know why they didn't just make a show about X-Borgs.

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Posted 28 July 2020 - 04:40 PM

Disney was going to sue them over that name most likely.

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Posted 28 July 2020 - 10:40 PM

x-borgs (x-borgs). comin' your way!


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Posted 29 July 2020 - 09:05 AM

Rewatching Voyager eps with the kid borgs makes Icheb's death even worse.

I mean, icheb is getting more development in this episode than the new characters in Picard did.

Between him, hugh, and Seven, I don't know why they didn't just make a show about X-Borgs.

 

Because they die too quickly to make a character arc.  Duh.



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Posted 29 July 2020 - 09:28 AM

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Posted 29 July 2020 - 01:48 PM

Out of hundreds, Seven was almost the only ex-Borg that didn't die.  Icheb, Hugh, a whole bunch of nameless, Picard...  Sure can't make a show about it now.



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Posted 29 July 2020 - 01:52 PM

Hugh was saved off screen and before seven set off for robot world the ex-borgs were teleported back on board.

Its easy to fix! The only one you can't really fix is Icheb, but you can bring back the other kids and not kill them.

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 02:23 AM

Every Borg on that Cube could have survived if you recall the reveal in Voyager episode Mortal Coil where Seven revived Neelix and said the Borg do this often. Hugh, all those shot down and the spaced ones could have been retrieved and placed in alcoves to regenerate from their injuries from that tech.

That also adds a bit of nightmare fuel that even the recently dead aren't safe from assimilation.


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Posted 30 July 2020 - 05:31 AM

I came across a quote in a review of Picard about why Discovery and Picard don't really work as Trek:

 

"The late 24th century of Picard is a mere mirror of our time, and not any longer a vision of the future. Rather than Discovery, Picard is recognizable and acceptable as Star Trek again, but the producers make the same mistakes in their obsession to let the show appear as contemporary as possible."



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Posted 30 July 2020 - 09:28 AM

From this review for anyone else who was curious.

 

It's not a false statement that the run of Star Trek from TNG through Enterprise used an atmosphere of period drama to emphasize the sense that the setting is a time other than our own. It's not unlike the common shorthand of setting a piece in ancient Rome and having the characters speak English with a British accent. In that sense, most of Trek is written to not feel contemporary in a way that Picard is an exception to, and to a lesser extent Discovery is as well. It's also true that Picard sets itself in a story world built around some key conflicts that exist to act as mirrors to kinds of problems that are specifically relevant to concerns about the world that we have to deal with in our present historical moment. I don't think that's as true of Discovery - I think Discovery is more parallel to Voyager where there's nothing really new being said in its "vision of the future" at all, and it's just inheriting its setting from other Trek and not really exploring it thematically. 

 

It isn't nothing - it contributes to a character to the franchise in the same way that space ship, set, costume, and makeup designs do. It's one of the many planks making up the ship of Theseus that is a franchise's ethos. Another whole category of elements would be substantive elements of the writing like themes or genre expectations within a given universe. So it's the same basis I'd have to argue that the Yuuzhan Vong as alien invaders from outside the known universe were always a Star Trek plot device in a Star Wars story, that the Kelvin Enterprise (or Discovery's Klingon bird-thing) would be out of place in the main Star Trek universe because it lacks the aesthetic of practical limitations that Trek ships are designed under, and so on.

 

A series can't dispense with too many of these things at once without being Thing in Name Only. At some point you'd be better off just making it its own separate thing.

 

But you most certainly can dispense with them selectively and purposefully. 

 

I don't think either Discovery or Picard works, period. Discovery is a very serial show that depends entirely on the cohesion of its season arc to say anything, that happens to be, so far, two seasons that each change direction at the middle and contradict themselves materially and thematically as hard as the Star Wars sequel trilogy does. Picard is a series of really cool vignettes that are supposed to add up to a similarly serial construction and just don't. It's like a Michael Bay Transformers movie, except the setpieces being strung together with no logical connections are character beats and crying scenes instead of action sequences. 

 

I think either of them would work as Star Trek if they worked at all. 

 

Star Trek is an inherently cerebral franchise that has traditionally used a somewhat carefully constructed science fiction setting to explore a variety of speculative-fiction concepts. The TNG era also built up a dense enough canon of facts about its universe that people can talk about ships and species the way WWII junkies can talk about tanks and national economies. Through Voyager and Enterprise, we've seen what happens when the creative team or the network is content to keep authentic, consistent, guaranteed, billions-and-billions-served Star Trek flavor above all else. Through the Kelvin films, we've seen what a nostalgia reboot Star Trek based on the characters and ephemera of the original series in Marvel movie style looks like. None of those things are wholly or inherently bad and all of them contributed great things that have a place in the franchise. 

 

But Star Trek should be able to question its most basic assumptions and ask whether the devices it's inherited are the best ones for going about the business of doing Trek, and lay the guts all out on the table if need be. Because, you know, it's not Star Wars, where being enjoyable and keeping the authentic flavor are the only things that matter; science, social realities, and visions of the future all move on with time, and Star Trek shouldn't just be reflecting those changes, it has to rework itself to actively engage with them. It has to be conscious of its contemporary context, all the time, or it's not working as Star Trek.


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Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 




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