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@  Sabrblade : (30 March 2020 - 10:27 PM)

Bruce Wayne's cyberpunk cousin?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (30 March 2020 - 09:27 PM)

Laser Wayne

@  Sabrblade : (30 March 2020 - 09:08 PM)

Luther Unum

@  PlutoniumBoss : (30 March 2020 - 07:09 PM)

Or Lee Derwon.

@  Steevy Maximus : (30 March 2020 - 06:51 PM)

Not to be confused with Leader I

@  Steevy Maximus : (30 March 2020 - 06:50 PM)

He was Leader Uno

@  Steevy Maximus : (30 March 2020 - 06:50 PM)

He was the OTHER Leader 1

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 March 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Or Sideways.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (30 March 2020 - 05:26 PM)

On the other hand, this is Armada we're talking about. It could have actually been Metroplex.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 March 2020 - 11:08 PM)

Oh yeah, that was Fort Max. My bad.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 March 2020 - 09:12 PM)

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Peritus_Maximus

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 March 2020 - 09:11 PM)

Christmas Maximus?

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 March 2020 - 01:13 PM)

At least the ozone layer is healing. unless this is a 0.0000000001% thing it's sounds like good news.

@  ▲ndrusi : (28 March 2020 - 09:27 AM)

(But only pretty sure, not 100% sure.)

@  ▲ndrusi : (28 March 2020 - 09:26 AM)

Pretty sure y'all were thinking of Fortress Maximus yesterday.

@  Bass X0 : (28 March 2020 - 12:38 AM)

Dare! Dare to believe you can survive 2020!

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 March 2020 - 08:18 PM)

Baja Blast is back at retail!

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 March 2020 - 03:47 PM)

Shame he wasn't around more. He seemed like such a jolly, happy soul.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (27 March 2020 - 02:16 PM)

No, he was definitely Metroplex. You could tell because he was in Metroplex's distinctive red and green coloration.

@  Paladin : (27 March 2020 - 02:11 PM)

that was Leader-1. or possibly Jolt. maybe Grindor...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (27 March 2020 - 01:57 PM)

Metroplex was in Armada, in a flashback. He was the same size as everybody else. I thought that was the joke.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (27 March 2020 - 12:39 PM)

@Rodimus Supreme: Gah! You are right! How'd I get that mixed up? x.x;

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 March 2020 - 12:14 PM)

There is no Metroplex. Only Zuul.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (27 March 2020 - 11:13 AM)

@Tm_Silverclaw: There is no Armada Metroplex, he was in Cybertron.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (27 March 2020 - 11:12 AM)

And they'd be better off just retooling Metroplex and Fortress Maximus to be somewhat more accurate and changing/adding parts for interaction with later play gimmicks.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (27 March 2020 - 11:11 AM)

I honestly would prefer that for scale purposes.

@  Cyoti : (27 March 2020 - 11:07 AM)

They can redo all the CW combiners as Titan Class figures like Predaking/Devastator.

@  Dekafox : (27 March 2020 - 07:52 AM)

They could just redo Metroplex again too. Especially if it's going to be S3 based. They could also do another Primus to go with the coming Unicron.

@  OverDrive73 : (26 March 2020 - 10:56 PM)

If anyone is bored, or interested... I just added the last chapter to my fanfic comic in Allspark Pictures

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (26 March 2020 - 10:54 PM)

And no.. We could always get Titan Class Superion.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (26 March 2020 - 10:53 PM)

We need Titan Class Transformers Armada Metroplex.

@  Telly : (26 March 2020 - 08:39 PM)

ill be surprised if scorpy isnt the last titan

@  PlutoniumBoss : (26 March 2020 - 05:57 PM)

Too bad a new character titan class figure is pretty much an impossibility.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (26 March 2020 - 05:56 PM)

I want a titan class, really good looking bucket wheel excavator. Like Cybertron Metroplex was supposed to be but didn't quite pull off.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 March 2020 - 03:32 PM)

I just taped up a shower curtain and took my first shower in three weeks. It was heavenly.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (26 March 2020 - 11:48 AM)

I would buy that...

@  Maximus Ambus : (24 March 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Studio Series 100 Titan Class Driller.

@  Sabrblade : (23 March 2020 - 09:05 PM)

I'll give ya 25 cents, a pack of gum, and some peanuts.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 March 2020 - 07:35 PM)

I can give ya twenty bucks for it.

@  Paladin : (23 March 2020 - 04:28 PM)

hoarder? I hardly know 'er?

@  Dekafox : (23 March 2020 - 01:52 PM)

FOR THE HORDE!

@  repowers : (23 March 2020 - 01:48 PM)

* hordes shrubberies *

@  Telly : (23 March 2020 - 01:46 PM)

YET...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 March 2020 - 01:22 PM)

At least we haven't resorted to shouting "NI" at old ladies.

@  CORVUS : (23 March 2020 - 11:04 AM)

Keep it out, and I won't reply to it.

@  RichardT1977 : (23 March 2020 - 08:50 AM)

It's a sad world where we can't discuss our health and safety without it descending into political arguments...

@  fourteenwings : (22 March 2020 - 11:46 PM)

woah I have no idea what's going on here but it's certainly breaking the "keep P&R out of the shoutbox" rules (which really should be enforced like... at all)

@  CORVUS : (22 March 2020 - 11:13 PM)

Ugh, Chinese. Typo-city.

@  CORVUS : (22 March 2020 - 11:11 PM)

Rodimus, you're just flat-out wrong. Trump eliminated the Pandemic Response Team. Trump was advised in January that this could be serious, and he didn't listen. Trump spent weeks downplaying COVID-19 by implying it was a hoax, and then that it was just a type of flu. He was late to close down travel from China, and by the time he closed down air-travel to the EU, that was also too late. He has refused to take responsibility for removing the pandemic response team, even though he basically bragged about it some months before. He's also prematurely talked up treatments using chlorquinine that have not been properly vetted as yet, and he keeps calling COVID-19 the "Chinense virus" because he can't help but be a jerk. Face facts: Trump is an incompetent bungler. Period. Full-stop.

@  repowers : (22 March 2020 - 03:49 PM)

That's totally super biased!


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#41 Cybersnark

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 09:45 AM

Voyager was already mining that with Seven of Nine wearing a ridiculous high heel jumpsuit and her Borg implants reduced to the eyebrow thing and the bit on her hand.

Point of order; the Borg didn't appear on Voyager until after First Contact came out. I was specifically waiting for them ever since I heard that Voyager would be in the Delta Quadrant, which has been known as Borg space since TNG.

I'm guessing there was some behind-the-scenes embargo, to avoid the old TNG-era designs while also not revealing the new look until the movie could premiere.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 10:37 AM

I think it is also a product of the times. Season 1 of DIS ends with the 1701. Back then it seemed like they slowly built up to the big deal
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 01:54 PM

The Borg Queen to me has always felt like one of those awkward times where late 90s Trek was saying "Some fanservice with your technobabble, sir?"

Voyager was already mining that with Seven of Nine wearing a ridiculous high heel jumpsuit and her Borg implants reduced to the eyebrow thing and the bit on her hand.

The Borg Queen is that problem when writers start exploring an unstoppable popular antagonist. The more you peel off the layers and show relatable links, the more what makes them appealing dies. The Borg are horrific for the same reason zombies or the Cybermen- they're basically marching corpses, with just a vestige of humanity left. They are a relentless hive mind who more than have the technology to back up their ambitions and worst of all they can make you one of them in an instant, your own unique identity snuffed out.

 

i hate the borg. i used to be "oh shit! its the borg!" now im "oh shit. its the borg...". trying to de-borg hugh in tng was a great episode, but thats where it shouldve stopped. but no. they not only added a borg to voyager, but then they added FOUR MORE with those damn kids. fortunately, three of them left fairly quickly, but that still left iqball or ihop or whatever the hell his name was for a while. it wouldve been different had either character had been interesting, but they werent, and we got maybe a half dozen fair episodes involving them (i still think the voyager conspiracy is a good ep. i like how they spin events into different points of view)

 

i didnt mind the queen so much in first contact, although that shouldve been the end of her. for a movie, you want a face to be the big bad. having it just be some random, interchangeable drone just doesnt seem right

 

the borg work best with limited screentime and when theyre treated as the monsters that go bump in the night. they should never be your crewmates


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:11 PM

I hope Jeri Ryan costars as Seven of Nine.

...I was just saying that to be contrary but actually Picard having to work with a Borg could be interesting.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:18 PM

That would be awesome. I mean, they both were borg then not borg. She is probably the only person he could relate that to.
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:23 PM

She may have been poured into skin tight clothing for ratings, but I actually always liked 7 of 9 and thought Jeri Ryan was a good actress.

 

I never really liked Kes. My only regret about her leaving the show is that they didn't have her fly out on a shuttle with Neelix and Kim onboard and have it explode.



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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:57 PM

they not only added a borg to voyager, but then they added FOUR MORE with those damn kids. fortunately, three of them left fairly quickly, but that still left iqball or ihop or whatever the hell his name was for a while.

Icheb.

And the biggest wasted opportunity with him is that we never got the "Itchy and Q-ball at Starfleet Academy" spinoff they were so perfectly setting up.



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 09:04 PM

I, for one, want Data to stay dead.  If he comes back, it means that he's just a collection of lower-case data that can be transferred to any compatible hardware.  It diminishes his status as a unique being and destroys his progression towards becoming more human.  He didn't have a good death, but I'd rather accept it than undo it.

 

The thing I'm mostly excited about with this series is seeing the Star Trek universe 20 years after Nemesis.  There's a lot that should have happened in that time.  Voyager brought back a bunch of technology that could be developed. 

 

I'd say there's a 50/50 chance that the show acknowledges the destruction of Romulus.  I don't think CBS should feel obligated to respect the dumb thing that JJ did.  I kind of hope that remains canon, but I don't think I'll be mad if it's ignored.

 

In my imaginary version of this series, Picard has left Starfleet to pursue his passion of archaeology.  Romulus has been destroyed, and the remains of the Romulan Star Empire have an uneasy peace with the Federation, with some border worlds joining the Federation.  But a new faction within the former Romulan Empire are staging an uprising.  The Federation calls upon the man who helped open the lines of communication with Romulus 20 years ago in order to help restore peace.  Things happen.  Picard probably dies for peace.



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Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:42 AM

She may have been poured into skin tight clothing for ratings, but I actually always liked 7 of 9 and thought Jeri Ryan was a good actress.

 

I wish they'd kept her more Borgified for a while though.  I get that they wanted to ratchet up her sex appeal to 11, but I think they could have started out with her hair first which would have given her a "sexy zombie" look without taking away that pseudo-Gigeresque she started out with.



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Posted 01 September 2018 - 02:21 AM

I, for one, want Data to stay dead.  If he comes back, it means that he's just a collection of lower-case data that can be transferred to any compatible hardware.  It diminishes his status as a unique being and destroys his progression towards becoming more human.  He didn't have a good death, but I'd rather accept it than undo it.

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"The Schizoid Man" and "Inheritance" (and The Search for Spock, for that matter) have already long established that, as far as the Trek universe goes, even organic consciousness can be transferred, both to other organic brains as well as into compatible artificial neural nets. I wouldn't say it diminishes anything; just indicates that the understanding of how the brain works has progressed to the point where that's possible.



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Posted 01 September 2018 - 04:32 AM

Didn't Data get remade from B-4 in the Kelvin movie prequel comics?


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Posted 01 September 2018 - 08:56 AM

Yeah but those aren't canon.

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 10:27 AM

I, for one, want Data to stay dead.  If he comes back, it means that he's just a collection of lower-case data that can be transferred to any compatible hardware.  It diminishes his status as a unique being and destroys his progression towards becoming more human.  He didn't have a good death, but I'd rather accept it than undo it.
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"The Schizoid Man" and "Inheritance" (and The Search for Spock, for that matter) have already long established that, as far as the Trek universe goes, even organic consciousness can be transferred, both to other organic brains as well as into compatible artificial neural nets. I wouldn't say it diminishes anything; just indicates that the understanding of how the brain works has progressed to the point where that's possible.

Maybe I’m nitpicking (I am a Star Trek fan, after all), but while copying a mind is possible, I don’t think that the copied mind is literally the original person, even if it thinks it is. That might be a difference that makes no difference, but it would feel really cheap to me to bring back Data in that way.

In Spock’s case, his copied consciousness ended up back where it started. So that makes post-resurrection Spock a second generation copy and/or a whole original. I think the post-resurrection training indicates that the transfer was imperfect. But because the original body and brain are involved, it makes sense to accept him as the original Spock.

I would also reference DS9’s “Life Support,” where Bareil is injured and as he declines, his brain is slowly replaced with a positronic implant. It becomes clear that even though he retains his memories, he loses his humanity (Bajoranity). This indicates that there is a difference between a brain and a copy of a brain.

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 10:29 AM

Which is why Q saving Data avoids that issue. Data is Data.
Say that data's memories and B4'a body were used to usher in an AI revolution. You can make that still mean something other than a cop out to get the D man back.
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 12:11 PM

 

I would also reference DS9’s “Life Support,” where Bareil is injured and as he declines, his brain is slowly replaced with a positronic implant. It becomes clear that even though he retains his memories, he loses his humanity (Bajoranity). This indicates that there is a difference between a brain and a copy of a brain.

 

 

That was an interesting one... though I enjoy the episode in general, I feel that aspect of it kind of descended into schlock territory. Prior to that, it was always pretty clear that the Soong-type androids were the only successful applications of positronic technology; what DS9 probably meant to say was "cybernetic", but the writer either got confused or just wanted to throw "positronic" in there was a TNG connection. It's canon, though, so we have to account for it somehow.

 

I'll say this; Julian Bashir is no Dr. Soong; nor even an Ira Graves-tier intellect (not even close, despite his genetic enhancements). Both those men developed ways of transitioning an active, living consciousness into an artificial neural net. Their work, techniques and technologies are virtually unknown in the wider Federation, given how reclusive both became as they got older; and even the specialists who may still remember their earlier work and know a bit more about them still don't actually have a working understanding of their greatest breakthroughs. Hell even Geordi, who probably spent more time working on Data than anyone except Dr. Soong himself, only has a rudimentary understanding of how his brain works and certainly couldn't create a stable neural net himself (the Holy Grail, as it were, and not even Data could do that).

 

We also don't know exactly which parts, or even how much of Bareil's brain tissue was replaced with "positronic" (cybernetic) implants. It was actually quite a disturbing episode, IMO, and a bit out of character for Star Trek, even for DS9. Whatever implants he did receive were likely very crude, designed to mimic the basic functions of the tissue they replaced. Since nobody other than Dr. Soong has successfully created a stable artificial neural net (which is what houses the actual consciousness), it's safe to assume that Bareil didn't receive anything like that. None of the organic brain regions responsible for memory or personality were probably replaced; but perhaps sections that allowed those regions to interact and express themselves were compromised.

 

As far as copies vs an original goes, the transporter in Trek has the same issue; real-life teleportation (were it possible on a macro scale) is said to result in the destruction of the original and the creation of a copy at the destination. But Trek's transporters have been said not to work this way; that the "reconstructed" person or object is the original, the same actual energy being "beamed" to the destination and used to rebuild the matter in the same exact way. Most would say that being disassembled at a molecular or atomic level would effectively "kill" you, no matter how well you're put back together, but who's to say, really? Consider that 500 years ago if you lost an arm or finger it was gone for good... today, if you're lucky and doctors work quickly, you may get it back. It's made clear that Ira Graves believes just as strongly that his method of consciousness transfer is just that; a true transfer rather than a copy. It's safe to assume that Dr. Soong believed the same of the process he used to save his wife (and in the books, himself as well).


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Posted 01 September 2018 - 09:40 PM

"The Inner Light" was on a couple of days ago.  I wouldn't mind seeing more reference to this episode in an upcoming Picard story.  He lived for decades as another man, had a wife, children, grandchildren.  There's no way that it wouldn't have a lasting impact on him. 



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Posted 02 September 2018 - 09:39 AM

... Dammit, now I need

1)IHOP to still exist in this era
2)Borg as staff
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Posted 02 September 2018 - 01:40 PM

 

 

I would also reference DS9’s “Life Support,” where Bareil is injured and as he declines, his brain is slowly replaced with a positronic implant. It becomes clear that even though he retains his memories, he loses his humanity (Bajoranity). This indicates that there is a difference between a brain and a copy of a brain.

 

 

That was an interesting one... though I enjoy the episode in general, I feel that aspect of it kind of descended into schlock territory. Prior to that, it was always pretty clear that the Soong-type androids were the only successful applications of positronic technology; what DS9 probably meant to say was "cybernetic", but the writer either got confused or just wanted to throw "positronic" in there was a TNG connection. It's canon, though, so we have to account for it somehow.

 

I'll say this; Julian Bashir is no Dr. Soong; nor even an Ira Graves-tier intellect (not even close, despite his genetic enhancements). Both those men developed ways of transitioning an active, living consciousness into an artificial neural net. Their work, techniques and technologies are virtually unknown in the wider Federation, given how reclusive both became as they got older; and even the specialists who may still remember their earlier work and know a bit more about them still don't actually have a working understanding of their greatest breakthroughs. Hell even Geordi, who probably spent more time working on Data than anyone except Dr. Soong himself, only has a rudimentary understanding of how his brain works and certainly couldn't create a stable neural net himself (the Holy Grail, as it were, and not even Data could do that).

 

We also don't know exactly which parts, or even how much of Bareil's brain tissue was replaced with "positronic" (cybernetic) implants. It was actually quite a disturbing episode, IMO, and a bit out of character for Star Trek, even for DS9. Whatever implants he did receive were likely very crude, designed to mimic the basic functions of the tissue they replaced. Since nobody other than Dr. Soong has successfully created a stable artificial neural net (which is what houses the actual consciousness), it's safe to assume that Bareil didn't receive anything like that. None of the organic brain regions responsible for memory or personality were probably replaced; but perhaps sections that allowed those regions to interact and express themselves were compromised.

 

As far as copies vs an original goes, the transporter in Trek has the same issue; real-life teleportation (were it possible on a macro scale) is said to result in the destruction of the original and the creation of a copy at the destination. But Trek's transporters have been said not to work this way; that the "reconstructed" person or object is the original, the same actual energy being "beamed" to the destination and used to rebuild the matter in the same exact way. Most would say that being disassembled at a molecular or atomic level would effectively "kill" you, no matter how well you're put back together, but who's to say, really? Consider that 500 years ago if you lost an arm or finger it was gone for good... today, if you're lucky and doctors work quickly, you may get it back. It's made clear that Ira Graves believes just as strongly that his method of consciousness transfer is just that; a true transfer rather than a copy. It's safe to assume that Dr. Soong believed the same of the process he used to save his wife (and in the books, himself as well).

 

 

It's a philosophical question, really.  What is a person?  Is a person simply the some of their experiences?  Or is a person a unique and inseparable combination of mind and body?  I favor the latter.



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Posted 02 September 2018 - 02:25 PM

I prefer the former and I view a physical body as just another type of machine, currently inseparable, but only because we lack an understanding of how a lot of it works. I suspect they won't remain inseparable forever, although I don't expect that breakthrough in any of our lifetimes. But hey, that's what cryogenics is for :p.


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Posted 02 September 2018 - 10:43 PM

Voyager’s Doctor is noteworthy. He is explicitly software-only and hardware-agnostic. He can exist in Voyager’s computer or in a 29th century mobile emitter. He can be backed up and run on alien hardware.

I don’t know what that means, really. Life can take many forms.



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