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@  ▲ndrusi : (09 July 2020 - 09:56 PM)

King Nine, however, will not return.

@  Bass X0 : (09 July 2020 - 05:05 PM)

Bass_X0 will return after these messages ^^^

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 July 2020 - 03:37 PM)

WHATAMIFIGHTINGFOOOOOOOOARRGH

@  -LittleAutob... : (09 July 2020 - 02:06 PM)

Okay?

@  Otaku : (09 July 2020 - 07:47 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk Ah, but the series itself has pronounced "Bass" both ways. ;)  Oh, 90s English Capcom video game voice acting...

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 July 2020 - 03:14 AM)

Looking at my Titan Returns collection I can see they realised they didn't have to paint the Titan Masters after wave one, lazy bums.

@  Maruten : (08 July 2020 - 09:13 PM)

No, I'm going with "fish".

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 July 2020 - 04:19 PM)

He stated that it's in reference to the Mega Man character, so it follows the series' tradition of music names.

@  Cybersnark : (08 July 2020 - 03:59 PM)

The real question is if it's "bass" as in music or "bass" as in the fish.

@  Otaku : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Well, at least now I know how to pronounce @Bass X0 's screen name. ^^'  Rather, I think I'd just forgotten.  In my defense, it really does look like an emoticon or maybe just "decoration", which is what a lot of folks add to their screen names online.  Usually because someone has the name they really want. XD

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Extremely unimpressed with your idea that someone making a negative observation you don't like means they "got triggered."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (08 July 2020 - 11:16 AM)

You know somebody asked "And this would be in relation to... what exactly?"

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Its because someone got triggered over my random musings instead of just ignoring them. If I read one of your comments that is of no relevance or interest to me, I don't feel the need to say so.

@  -LittleAutob... : (08 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

All this over someone's username lol

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 08:34 AM)

Bazro.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (08 July 2020 - 06:34 AM)

It could be Bass 10-0

@  Nevermore : (08 July 2020 - 06:11 AM)

How do you pronounce yourself? "Bass Ex-O" or "Bass Ex-Zero"?

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 03:23 AM)

I did almost go with Vile Bass X0, because Vile is cool too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 July 2020 - 08:34 PM)

Bossk Saw

@  ▲ndrusi : (07 July 2020 - 04:16 PM)

Bass XD

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 03:43 PM)

And its not Bass XO, its Bass X0, as in Bass, X and Zero from the Mega Man series.

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:33 PM)

@Trpodeca :( :(

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Thats what a gray rock is? Then I'm not one.

@  Trpodeca : (07 July 2020 - 02:12 PM)

Man I just learnt about what seemed like a really cool show, only to realize it was a dream and it dosen't really exist.

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 01:02 PM)

Just something I read that I wanted to share. I heard "gray rock" mentioned in a video, so I looked it up and that was the definition.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 July 2020 - 12:20 PM)

It's a fancy way of saying "Ignore annoying people".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (07 July 2020 - 12:15 PM)

Bass XO has a habit of pasting random drivel here as if doing so were profound.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 July 2020 - 11:30 AM)

And this would be in relation to... what exactly?

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 11:25 AM)

"One strategy for dealing with a narcissist or sociopath is to act like a "gray rock," meaning that you become uninteresting and unresponsive. You don't feed their needs for drama or attention. You don't show emotion, say anything interesting, or disclose any personal information"

@  Nevermore : (06 July 2020 - 07:23 PM)

Oh wow. Studio Series Offroad Bumblebee is awesome. His articulation is amazing.

@  -LittleAutob... : (06 July 2020 - 11:18 AM)

Oof-

@  Maximus Ambus : (05 July 2020 - 01:10 AM)

I got Studio Series 39 Cogman yesterday and woke up to find he'd decapitated my titans returns figures.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 July 2020 - 10:19 PM)

If I had a sarcasm powered mouth.. ooohh waaaiiittt...

@  -LittleAutob... : (04 July 2020 - 05:01 PM)

Heh

@  Bass X0 : (04 July 2020 - 02:56 PM)

"If I had sarcasm-powered legs, I'd do a happy dance...!"

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 July 2020 - 02:39 PM)

The real clones were the friends we made along the way.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 01:47 PM)

So the Emperor in episodes 1 through 6 was a clone?

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 10:47 AM)

(And the 0th anniversary of the last time I couldn't do math.)

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Today is the 24th anniversary of the day we fought off an alien invasion with the help of Will Smith.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 10:41 AM)

Oh the end of the Ottoman Empire of course.

@  -LittleAutob... : (04 July 2020 - 10:14 AM)

*ahem* 4th of July....

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 08:14 AM)

Nothing of importance has happened before, and nothing of importance will happen again.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 08:12 AM)

Nothing of importance happened today.

@  Telly : (03 July 2020 - 09:54 PM)

i want a "i survived 'rona and all i got was this lousy t-shirt"

@  TheMightyMol... : (03 July 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Slogan for 2021: "I Lived, Bitch."

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

They should make the next book in the Survivors series 'I SURVIVED CORONA VIRUS 2020'

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

YEEEE I'M A SURVIVOR-

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:59 AM)

Probably gonna assemble Devastator after work.

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:58 AM)

Ooooh. Overload arrived. He's surprisingly fun.

@  Bass X0 : (02 July 2020 - 04:00 PM)

He's sweeter than the average bear.


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#41 Cybersnark

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 09:45 AM

Voyager was already mining that with Seven of Nine wearing a ridiculous high heel jumpsuit and her Borg implants reduced to the eyebrow thing and the bit on her hand.

Point of order; the Borg didn't appear on Voyager until after First Contact came out. I was specifically waiting for them ever since I heard that Voyager would be in the Delta Quadrant, which has been known as Borg space since TNG.

I'm guessing there was some behind-the-scenes embargo, to avoid the old TNG-era designs while also not revealing the new look until the movie could premiere.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 10:37 AM

I think it is also a product of the times. Season 1 of DIS ends with the 1701. Back then it seemed like they slowly built up to the big deal
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 01:54 PM

The Borg Queen to me has always felt like one of those awkward times where late 90s Trek was saying "Some fanservice with your technobabble, sir?"

Voyager was already mining that with Seven of Nine wearing a ridiculous high heel jumpsuit and her Borg implants reduced to the eyebrow thing and the bit on her hand.

The Borg Queen is that problem when writers start exploring an unstoppable popular antagonist. The more you peel off the layers and show relatable links, the more what makes them appealing dies. The Borg are horrific for the same reason zombies or the Cybermen- they're basically marching corpses, with just a vestige of humanity left. They are a relentless hive mind who more than have the technology to back up their ambitions and worst of all they can make you one of them in an instant, your own unique identity snuffed out.

 

i hate the borg. i used to be "oh shit! its the borg!" now im "oh shit. its the borg...". trying to de-borg hugh in tng was a great episode, but thats where it shouldve stopped. but no. they not only added a borg to voyager, but then they added FOUR MORE with those damn kids. fortunately, three of them left fairly quickly, but that still left iqball or ihop or whatever the hell his name was for a while. it wouldve been different had either character had been interesting, but they werent, and we got maybe a half dozen fair episodes involving them (i still think the voyager conspiracy is a good ep. i like how they spin events into different points of view)

 

i didnt mind the queen so much in first contact, although that shouldve been the end of her. for a movie, you want a face to be the big bad. having it just be some random, interchangeable drone just doesnt seem right

 

the borg work best with limited screentime and when theyre treated as the monsters that go bump in the night. they should never be your crewmates


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:11 PM

I hope Jeri Ryan costars as Seven of Nine.

...I was just saying that to be contrary but actually Picard having to work with a Borg could be interesting.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:18 PM

That would be awesome. I mean, they both were borg then not borg. She is probably the only person he could relate that to.
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:23 PM

She may have been poured into skin tight clothing for ratings, but I actually always liked 7 of 9 and thought Jeri Ryan was a good actress.

 

I never really liked Kes. My only regret about her leaving the show is that they didn't have her fly out on a shuttle with Neelix and Kim onboard and have it explode.



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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:57 PM

they not only added a borg to voyager, but then they added FOUR MORE with those damn kids. fortunately, three of them left fairly quickly, but that still left iqball or ihop or whatever the hell his name was for a while.

Icheb.

And the biggest wasted opportunity with him is that we never got the "Itchy and Q-ball at Starfleet Academy" spinoff they were so perfectly setting up.



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 09:04 PM

I, for one, want Data to stay dead.  If he comes back, it means that he's just a collection of lower-case data that can be transferred to any compatible hardware.  It diminishes his status as a unique being and destroys his progression towards becoming more human.  He didn't have a good death, but I'd rather accept it than undo it.

 

The thing I'm mostly excited about with this series is seeing the Star Trek universe 20 years after Nemesis.  There's a lot that should have happened in that time.  Voyager brought back a bunch of technology that could be developed. 

 

I'd say there's a 50/50 chance that the show acknowledges the destruction of Romulus.  I don't think CBS should feel obligated to respect the dumb thing that JJ did.  I kind of hope that remains canon, but I don't think I'll be mad if it's ignored.

 

In my imaginary version of this series, Picard has left Starfleet to pursue his passion of archaeology.  Romulus has been destroyed, and the remains of the Romulan Star Empire have an uneasy peace with the Federation, with some border worlds joining the Federation.  But a new faction within the former Romulan Empire are staging an uprising.  The Federation calls upon the man who helped open the lines of communication with Romulus 20 years ago in order to help restore peace.  Things happen.  Picard probably dies for peace.



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Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:42 AM

She may have been poured into skin tight clothing for ratings, but I actually always liked 7 of 9 and thought Jeri Ryan was a good actress.

 

I wish they'd kept her more Borgified for a while though.  I get that they wanted to ratchet up her sex appeal to 11, but I think they could have started out with her hair first which would have given her a "sexy zombie" look without taking away that pseudo-Gigeresque she started out with.



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Posted 01 September 2018 - 02:21 AM

I, for one, want Data to stay dead.  If he comes back, it means that he's just a collection of lower-case data that can be transferred to any compatible hardware.  It diminishes his status as a unique being and destroys his progression towards becoming more human.  He didn't have a good death, but I'd rather accept it than undo it.

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"The Schizoid Man" and "Inheritance" (and The Search for Spock, for that matter) have already long established that, as far as the Trek universe goes, even organic consciousness can be transferred, both to other organic brains as well as into compatible artificial neural nets. I wouldn't say it diminishes anything; just indicates that the understanding of how the brain works has progressed to the point where that's possible.



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Posted 01 September 2018 - 04:32 AM

Didn't Data get remade from B-4 in the Kelvin movie prequel comics?


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Posted 01 September 2018 - 08:56 AM

Yeah but those aren't canon.

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 10:27 AM

I, for one, want Data to stay dead.  If he comes back, it means that he's just a collection of lower-case data that can be transferred to any compatible hardware.  It diminishes his status as a unique being and destroys his progression towards becoming more human.  He didn't have a good death, but I'd rather accept it than undo it.
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"The Schizoid Man" and "Inheritance" (and The Search for Spock, for that matter) have already long established that, as far as the Trek universe goes, even organic consciousness can be transferred, both to other organic brains as well as into compatible artificial neural nets. I wouldn't say it diminishes anything; just indicates that the understanding of how the brain works has progressed to the point where that's possible.

Maybe I’m nitpicking (I am a Star Trek fan, after all), but while copying a mind is possible, I don’t think that the copied mind is literally the original person, even if it thinks it is. That might be a difference that makes no difference, but it would feel really cheap to me to bring back Data in that way.

In Spock’s case, his copied consciousness ended up back where it started. So that makes post-resurrection Spock a second generation copy and/or a whole original. I think the post-resurrection training indicates that the transfer was imperfect. But because the original body and brain are involved, it makes sense to accept him as the original Spock.

I would also reference DS9’s “Life Support,” where Bareil is injured and as he declines, his brain is slowly replaced with a positronic implant. It becomes clear that even though he retains his memories, he loses his humanity (Bajoranity). This indicates that there is a difference between a brain and a copy of a brain.

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 10:29 AM

Which is why Q saving Data avoids that issue. Data is Data.
Say that data's memories and B4'a body were used to usher in an AI revolution. You can make that still mean something other than a cop out to get the D man back.
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 12:11 PM

 

I would also reference DS9’s “Life Support,” where Bareil is injured and as he declines, his brain is slowly replaced with a positronic implant. It becomes clear that even though he retains his memories, he loses his humanity (Bajoranity). This indicates that there is a difference between a brain and a copy of a brain.

 

 

That was an interesting one... though I enjoy the episode in general, I feel that aspect of it kind of descended into schlock territory. Prior to that, it was always pretty clear that the Soong-type androids were the only successful applications of positronic technology; what DS9 probably meant to say was "cybernetic", but the writer either got confused or just wanted to throw "positronic" in there was a TNG connection. It's canon, though, so we have to account for it somehow.

 

I'll say this; Julian Bashir is no Dr. Soong; nor even an Ira Graves-tier intellect (not even close, despite his genetic enhancements). Both those men developed ways of transitioning an active, living consciousness into an artificial neural net. Their work, techniques and technologies are virtually unknown in the wider Federation, given how reclusive both became as they got older; and even the specialists who may still remember their earlier work and know a bit more about them still don't actually have a working understanding of their greatest breakthroughs. Hell even Geordi, who probably spent more time working on Data than anyone except Dr. Soong himself, only has a rudimentary understanding of how his brain works and certainly couldn't create a stable neural net himself (the Holy Grail, as it were, and not even Data could do that).

 

We also don't know exactly which parts, or even how much of Bareil's brain tissue was replaced with "positronic" (cybernetic) implants. It was actually quite a disturbing episode, IMO, and a bit out of character for Star Trek, even for DS9. Whatever implants he did receive were likely very crude, designed to mimic the basic functions of the tissue they replaced. Since nobody other than Dr. Soong has successfully created a stable artificial neural net (which is what houses the actual consciousness), it's safe to assume that Bareil didn't receive anything like that. None of the organic brain regions responsible for memory or personality were probably replaced; but perhaps sections that allowed those regions to interact and express themselves were compromised.

 

As far as copies vs an original goes, the transporter in Trek has the same issue; real-life teleportation (were it possible on a macro scale) is said to result in the destruction of the original and the creation of a copy at the destination. But Trek's transporters have been said not to work this way; that the "reconstructed" person or object is the original, the same actual energy being "beamed" to the destination and used to rebuild the matter in the same exact way. Most would say that being disassembled at a molecular or atomic level would effectively "kill" you, no matter how well you're put back together, but who's to say, really? Consider that 500 years ago if you lost an arm or finger it was gone for good... today, if you're lucky and doctors work quickly, you may get it back. It's made clear that Ira Graves believes just as strongly that his method of consciousness transfer is just that; a true transfer rather than a copy. It's safe to assume that Dr. Soong believed the same of the process he used to save his wife (and in the books, himself as well).


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Posted 01 September 2018 - 09:40 PM

"The Inner Light" was on a couple of days ago.  I wouldn't mind seeing more reference to this episode in an upcoming Picard story.  He lived for decades as another man, had a wife, children, grandchildren.  There's no way that it wouldn't have a lasting impact on him. 



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Posted 02 September 2018 - 09:39 AM

... Dammit, now I need

1)IHOP to still exist in this era
2)Borg as staff
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Posted 02 September 2018 - 01:40 PM

 

 

I would also reference DS9’s “Life Support,” where Bareil is injured and as he declines, his brain is slowly replaced with a positronic implant. It becomes clear that even though he retains his memories, he loses his humanity (Bajoranity). This indicates that there is a difference between a brain and a copy of a brain.

 

 

That was an interesting one... though I enjoy the episode in general, I feel that aspect of it kind of descended into schlock territory. Prior to that, it was always pretty clear that the Soong-type androids were the only successful applications of positronic technology; what DS9 probably meant to say was "cybernetic", but the writer either got confused or just wanted to throw "positronic" in there was a TNG connection. It's canon, though, so we have to account for it somehow.

 

I'll say this; Julian Bashir is no Dr. Soong; nor even an Ira Graves-tier intellect (not even close, despite his genetic enhancements). Both those men developed ways of transitioning an active, living consciousness into an artificial neural net. Their work, techniques and technologies are virtually unknown in the wider Federation, given how reclusive both became as they got older; and even the specialists who may still remember their earlier work and know a bit more about them still don't actually have a working understanding of their greatest breakthroughs. Hell even Geordi, who probably spent more time working on Data than anyone except Dr. Soong himself, only has a rudimentary understanding of how his brain works and certainly couldn't create a stable neural net himself (the Holy Grail, as it were, and not even Data could do that).

 

We also don't know exactly which parts, or even how much of Bareil's brain tissue was replaced with "positronic" (cybernetic) implants. It was actually quite a disturbing episode, IMO, and a bit out of character for Star Trek, even for DS9. Whatever implants he did receive were likely very crude, designed to mimic the basic functions of the tissue they replaced. Since nobody other than Dr. Soong has successfully created a stable artificial neural net (which is what houses the actual consciousness), it's safe to assume that Bareil didn't receive anything like that. None of the organic brain regions responsible for memory or personality were probably replaced; but perhaps sections that allowed those regions to interact and express themselves were compromised.

 

As far as copies vs an original goes, the transporter in Trek has the same issue; real-life teleportation (were it possible on a macro scale) is said to result in the destruction of the original and the creation of a copy at the destination. But Trek's transporters have been said not to work this way; that the "reconstructed" person or object is the original, the same actual energy being "beamed" to the destination and used to rebuild the matter in the same exact way. Most would say that being disassembled at a molecular or atomic level would effectively "kill" you, no matter how well you're put back together, but who's to say, really? Consider that 500 years ago if you lost an arm or finger it was gone for good... today, if you're lucky and doctors work quickly, you may get it back. It's made clear that Ira Graves believes just as strongly that his method of consciousness transfer is just that; a true transfer rather than a copy. It's safe to assume that Dr. Soong believed the same of the process he used to save his wife (and in the books, himself as well).

 

 

It's a philosophical question, really.  What is a person?  Is a person simply the some of their experiences?  Or is a person a unique and inseparable combination of mind and body?  I favor the latter.



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Posted 02 September 2018 - 02:25 PM

I prefer the former and I view a physical body as just another type of machine, currently inseparable, but only because we lack an understanding of how a lot of it works. I suspect they won't remain inseparable forever, although I don't expect that breakthrough in any of our lifetimes. But hey, that's what cryogenics is for :p.


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Posted 02 September 2018 - 10:43 PM

Voyager’s Doctor is noteworthy. He is explicitly software-only and hardware-agnostic. He can exist in Voyager’s computer or in a 29th century mobile emitter. He can be backed up and run on alien hardware.

I don’t know what that means, really. Life can take many forms.



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