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@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?


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#1 SHIELD Agent 47

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 12:36 PM

In anticipation of this project reaching fruition, I am splitting off Picard series discussion into its own thread.

 

Announcement at STLV 2018:

 

 

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News in a text article from Variety:
 

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 05:34 PM

We still have no idea what the actual series concept is, right? It could be Picard in space commanding a starship with one or two other returning cast members and a new crew, Picard retired in France tending to his family's vineyard, or Admiral Picard as an occasional guest star as a professor in the rumored Starfleet Academy show?



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 05:44 PM

We still have no idea what the actual series concept is, right? It could be Picard in space commanding a starship with one or two other returning cast members and a new crew, Picard retired in France tending to his family's vineyard, or Admiral Picard as an occasional guest star as a professor in the rumored Starfleet Academy show?

 

That unless he took Kirk's words to heart, don't let them promote or do anything that takes him off the bridge of the ship


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 06:17 PM

While I have no objections to that line in particular, I'd be perfectly fine with the new show pretending the Next Generation movies never happened.



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 06:18 PM

We still have no idea what the actual series concept is, right? It could be Picard in space commanding a starship with one or two other returning cast members and a new crew, Picard retired in France tending to his family's vineyard, or Admiral Picard as an occasional guest star as a professor in the rumored Starfleet Academy show?

 

Correct. No story details whatsoever save for Patrick Stewart returning as Jean-Luc Picard in a timeframe after Star Trek Nemesis.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 10:26 AM

While I have no objections to that line in particular, I'd be perfectly fine with the new show pretending the Next Generation movies never happened.

 

Be fair.

 

Let's just pretend NEMESIS didn't happen. the rest were enjoyable.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 10:38 AM

Just say Q saved Data as a favor for Picard and all is right again.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 04:11 PM

Is this going to be an actual series?  With Stewart's status, I was assuming this would be just one or two episodes of an anthology, or perhaps a short miniseries lasting ~6 episodes or so.  What do you think it's going to be?  



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 04:15 PM

Just say Q saved Data as a favor for Picard and all is right again.

I would be totally fine with that.  Or if they wanted to go the book route, that's acceptable.  But I want to see someone other than Spiner playing the character, unless they can CG-unage him and he's totally on board.  I definitely want him on board in some fashion, but given what he has always said about aging while playing an ageless character, and going so far as co-writing Data's death, it seems stupid to just come back without some accommodation.  



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 04:27 PM

 

Just say Q saved Data as a favor for Picard and all is right again.

I would be totally fine with that.  Or if they wanted to go the book route, that's acceptable.  But I want to see someone other than Spiner playing the character, unless they can CG-unage him and he's totally on board.  I definitely want him on board in some fashion, but given what he has always said about aging while playing an ageless character, and going so far as co-writing Data's death, it seems stupid to just come back without some accommodation.  

 

 

If Spiner were interested in coming back, the book route provides a sufficient reason for Data no longer appearing ageless, and gives the character a lot more room for development.



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:05 PM

I would have Q give Data his humanity. He was saved and got to live as a person until whenever Picard sees him again.

What do the books say about him? I never dabbled in those.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:31 PM

I would have Q give Data his humanity. He was saved and got to live as a person until whenever Picard sees him again.

What do the books say about him? I never dabbled in those.

 

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:45 PM

Ah, the 2012 TNG Cold Equations novel trilogy by David Mack.

 

Mack does excellent work.

 

I also like how in 2017's Section 31 - Control,

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:46 PM

That's so intense. Very involved and detailed. Thanks for saving me the google.

I don't know how I feel about it, but it's only as crazy as someone putting their brain inside one of their friends only to have their vessel rejuvenated by a freak device on a fake planet.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:51 PM

Short version:
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Honestly, I'd be fine with just leaving Data offscreen and not mentioning him. This is supposed to be "a new chapter," so it's unlikely Picard will be aboard the Enterprise. That suggests he'll be surrounded by new characters. Best to keep the TNG cast away from this non-TNG show. The most I'd want to see is Worf making a brief one-episode cameo to reveal that he's now the Enterprise's Captain.

The real sticking point for me is Beverly and René, who should be with him (I know "All Good Things" posited an end to their marriage, but A) that's non-canon now, and B) now that Han/Leia has been destroyed, I need at least one of my childhood heroes to have a successful marriage).

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:53 PM

It's a fantastic read, if you get the opportunity or find it in your local library. That, as well as the Destiny trilogy, were some of the first Star Trek stories to get me truly excited about Trek again in a long while. They reference the past without feeling too fanwanky, and contain some really solid and interesting story ideas for the future.

 

It's why I hope the upcoming Picard series takes at least some cues from the recent books, as it's pretty obvious while reading them that so much care and love for Trek went into the writing.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 06:48 PM

On the one hand, we're going back to an era of Trek where things were fun and original.  On the other hand, we're basically retreading old ground.  I love Sir Patrick I really do.  I just don't think going back to Picard is the right move for the franchise.

 

Ironbite-stepping past Voyager would but we keep wallowing in the past for some reason.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 11:38 PM

 

While I have no objections to that line in particular, I'd be perfectly fine with the new show pretending the Next Generation movies never happened.

 

Be fair.

 

Let's just pretend NEMESIS didn't happen. the rest were enjoyable.

 

 

Nah, I pretty much hated all of them. Well, "Generations" was okay. By which I mean, it wasn't a great movie and didn't really make sense, but at least it wasn't super boring ("Insurrection"), a complete betrayal of characters and plotlines from the series ("First Contact"), or all of the above ("Nemesis").

 

At least, that's how I remember them. It's been a while since I've seen any of them, but I sure hated them when they came out. So I'm hoping this new series gives me better post-TNG Picard stories than they did.



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Posted 13 August 2018 - 09:13 AM

I still say that First Contact is the best Star Trek movie of all of them, including the TOS films and the Kelvinverse series.


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 02:35 PM

I like First Contact, but it is an extremely flawed film and its existence robbed us of a proper Borg movie, so it doesn't even break the top three for me.





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