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@  Steevy Maximus : (25 January 2020 - 10:01 PM)

But when was the last time you saw a major retailer (since TRU) actually allot shelf space for a Transformers Titan? Or the Vintage Collection Poe X-Wing? There's clearly some sort of disparity between "girls" and "boys" toys that give companies justification to create $100+ items in the girls segment in FAR greater frequency than in boys.

@  fourteenwings : (25 January 2020 - 12:56 AM)

"how expensive they were" Tell that to L.O.L. O.M.G. and the $129 Amazing Surprise (I mean I guess when it comes to the toy aisle Power Rangers isn't a juggernaut like L.O.L.)

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 January 2020 - 09:18 PM)

I think the big reason we didn't see the actual combining Zords at retail was because of how expensive they were. It would cost $100 to get enough of them to make a Megazord, $160+ if you want the Ultrazord. Or parents could just get the dang Ultrazord for $40 even if it didn't combine.

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 January 2020 - 09:11 PM)

Because they are "kids toys" not "collector toys"

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 03:27 PM)

1) I don't have Target. 2) can't go into my walmart. I'm surprised Hasbro won't sell the toys on Pulse

@  Bass X0 : (24 January 2020 - 02:43 PM)

I dreamt my phone was ringing and woke up to answer it.

@  Sabrblade : (24 January 2020 - 02:05 PM)

The Lightning Collection figures, the smaller normal-sized Beast Morphers Ranger/enemy/Beast-Bot figures, the role-play morpher and weapon toys, and the simplistic non-combining megazord toys have all been very easy to find at various Targets and Walmarts. It's only been the actual combining Beast Morphers zord toys (which are bizarrely being sold individually this time) that have been hard to find in stores.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Thought I do question Hasbro's almost reluctance to have the toys available anywhere.

@  Paladin : (24 January 2020 - 01:44 PM)

i've been trying to sell mine for weeks...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 01:37 PM)

I hadn't opened mine yet, but from what I've seen, the general agreement is that the Beast Morpher zords are much better than Bandais.

@  ThunderWear : (24 January 2020 - 11:16 AM)

I'm guessing if they're going to do anything on the level of Legacy Zords, it's being discussed behind NDAs at Toy Fair

@  Rodimus Supreme : (24 January 2020 - 10:38 AM)

Lightning Collection is good, and they're taking their sweet time on making Zords that are better than Bandai's Zords.

@  ThunderWear : (24 January 2020 - 10:34 AM)

So, what's the general PR fandom consensus of the Hasbro run of PR so far? I pretty much stepped out of the community after I got the Bandai Legacy zords I wanted.

@  Paladin : (24 January 2020 - 08:46 AM)

that would require someone to BUY Hasbro PR toys...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 07:17 AM)

Well hopefully see some cool PR stuff. Wish BBTS sold Hasbro PR toys.

@  fourteenwings : (24 January 2020 - 07:01 AM)

February 22nd through 25th, I feel like it was earlier last year...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 06:32 AM)

When is NY TF?

@  fourteenwings : (23 January 2020 - 11:43 PM)

I don't know about Hasbro's general policy but I know everybody was on lockdown for Frozen II, which included both LEGO and Hasbro. Plus, I'm guessing everybody is holding off PR for NY Toy Fair? Overall, it's best to remember that Toy Fairs are for buyers, not fans.

@  fourteenwings : (23 January 2020 - 11:41 PM)

LEGO has been doing this for ages, including sending cease and desists when outlets get leaked images.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:42 PM)

And then they ended up selling off the brand, so I guess I wasn't the only one.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:41 PM)

Last time a toy brand I followed tightened down on toy fair and all the invited guests posted glowing reviews of what they saw, I ended up being disappointed as heck.

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 January 2020 - 10:34 PM)

JediNews UK basically said they got a walkthrough of Lego's showcase...but were legally bound to NOT talk about anything, much less take pics.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:24 PM)

I wondered why I had seen basically nothing newsworthy from the event

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 January 2020 - 10:14 PM)

Word is that Hasbro and Lego have their UK Toy Fair stuff on MAJOR lockdown. Full NDAs and everything.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 09:28 PM)

Seeing people say the $0.99 + $20 shipping item is cheaper than the $19.99 + free shipping item and getting tons of likes for it... I just don't know anymore.

@  Telly : (23 January 2020 - 09:11 PM)

if you havent already, y'all check your walmarts clearance aisle. i found siege six shot for $5. course, it could just be my walmart, but never hurts to look

@  Vexwing : (23 January 2020 - 07:20 PM)

Candlejack is going to need more ro

@  Patch : (23 January 2020 - 06:30 PM)

I thought you had to type out Candlejack's full name bef

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2020 - 02:46 PM)

I typed in the wrong tab.

@  Paladin : (23 January 2020 - 02:32 PM)

must've been the works of Candleja

@  Telly : (23 January 2020 - 02:06 PM)

looks like maximus wiped himself out mid-sentence

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2020 - 08:42 AM)

Disregard this.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2020 - 06:58 PM)

Bold of you all to assume we won't wipe ourselves out in 50 years.

@  Benbot : (22 January 2020 - 04:27 PM)

There will be no UBI, people will just live in a ditch while they celebrate owning the libs.

@  Rycochet : (22 January 2020 - 03:24 PM)

In 50 years, retail will be dead because all stores are staffless fully automated operations controlled by Amazon. The UBI will be less than a fifth of what it actually costs to live after two decades of cuts and.a steadfast refusal to match inflation.

@  Maximus Ambus : (22 January 2020 - 02:55 PM)

In fifty years retail will be a thing of the past through robots, printers and Universal Basic Income.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (21 January 2020 - 11:16 AM)

Big retailers just don't want money anymore, so let's not give them any,

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 04:12 PM)

This place is a madhouse, feels like being cloned.

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 January 2020 - 03:38 PM)

I took one step beyond the outer limits to the twilight zone.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 10:19 AM)

All retail is basically the same.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2020 - 10:00 AM)

Walmart just needs to go bankrupt already.

@  ThunderWear : (20 January 2020 - 07:19 AM)

They didn't put the 35th anniversary stuff back out until after new year. I'm no retail expert, but I feel like having stock on the shelf is better than the back. Especially toys at christmas time.

@  ThunderWear : (20 January 2020 - 07:18 AM)

Yeah, my local walmart took away the 35th anniversary endcap weeks before Christmas and left the Transformer section empty well past Christmas.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Mine only has the 35th Anniversary Voyagers. A whole lot of them.

@  Telly : (19 January 2020 - 11:35 PM)

just be happy your walmart even stocks voyagers. mine doesnt

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 January 2020 - 08:53 PM)

Figures that Walmart finally restocks Studio Voyagers...with Wave ONE

@  ThunderWear : (19 January 2020 - 09:27 AM)

I snagged Rainmakers for half off.  They make me want jolly ranchers.

@  Trpodeca : (18 January 2020 - 04:21 PM)

I was using my account on another comptuer, and oddly it seemed to default to $US rather than converting it.

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 January 2020 - 02:02 PM)

You should be able to set eBay to display in your local currency, although personally I like to know the actual currency the item is listed in so I know if I need to account for forex fees or not

@  Trpodeca : (18 January 2020 - 06:34 AM)

I'd also like to take the opportunity to say I despise Ebay for showing the list prices in US money.


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#161 G.B.Blackrock

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 06:25 PM

 

As I said with Discovery, some amount of redesign is fine (and necessary)

 

The only thing I forgave them for was the Enterprise design and that was only because it was beautiful.

 

 

I specifically used the Enterprise design as part of my argument to prove that the existence of redesigns, per se, was not what I (nor most older fans) were upset about re: the Klingon redesign in S1 of Discovery.

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 07:34 PM

 

I'd love Star Trek But Animated to go hog wild with redesigning the aliens and really take advantage of the medium. No, they don't need to all be darwinnian gasbags or cthonic tentacle monsters, but Klingons or Bajorans or Gem H'Dar can all look meaningfully different from humans in shape and proportion.

And since it's a different visual medium, you can use that to explain away the inconsistencies to nerds without talking about stupid hugging viruses or dumbass Humanoid Ancestor DNA.

 

As I said with Discovery, some amount of redesign is fine (and necessary), but I want to be able to recognize Klingons AS Klingons, Bajorans AS Bajorans, etc. Don't make up a totally different alien and then try to tell me it's something I should be able to recognize. If you want to design a new alien, go wild! But give it a new name.

 

 

Nah, the Discovery Klingons or whatever are fine, they look different but it's a different show made decades after the TNG Klingons got introduced. In an animated show you're not limited by expensive cosmetics or CGI, so there's no reason to be strictly accurate to the source material.

 

I also don't care about visual accuracy to the source material. I really, seriously don't care. There's nothing to gain from it outside of cute homages and some very circumstantial stories.

 

Of course, personally speaking, the design changes I'm interested in are less about details as they are proportions and nonhumanoid bodytypes. That probably doesn't satisfy people but calling them different aliens would be worse by far than just using the Old Designs That Make The Nostalgia Button Happy. 

 

(This WOULD be a fantastic opportunity for some CGI/Puppet heavy aliens, however. Changelings, The Gorn, or the Tholians, maybe weird up the Borg, too!)


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Posted 22 November 2019 - 06:50 AM

 maybe weird up the Borg, too!)

 

 

I read William Shatner's "The Return" novel long ago, and one of his better ideas was weirding up the Borg some.  Heavy construction type Borg, little spidery "scout" robots with just a biological head attached, biological parts inside the ship used for ship-related things like hearts and blood vessels inside walls pumping various fluids.


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Posted 22 November 2019 - 08:41 AM

biological parts inside the ship used for ship-related things like hearts and blood vessels inside walls pumping various fluids.

 

Doctor Who got there first.


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Posted 22 November 2019 - 09:31 AM

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 10:33 AM

(I mean, Amethysts are literally what the Jem'Hadar are meant to be.)

Roddenberry himself took the stance that Trek-as-filmed is only an interpretation "based on actual events" produced after-the-fact in-universe, so some re-interpretation/re-casting is fine.

That said, the thing for me is that TNG, DS9, Voyager, and even Enterprise all went to great lengths to keep their inter-series crossovers visually consistent. Discovery is the only one to completely throw out previously-established visual language, and often in ways that make absolutely no sense in-universe, and clearly exist just to streamline filming (the Transformer-tech spacesuits and heavy equipment, the huge empty spaces inside the bulkheads for the turbolifts, the cargo-pods mindlessly buzzing around the shuttlebay in the midst of an incongruous Star-Wars-style space battle, the hugging astromech droids).

If I was an alien being told these were dramatic re-enactments, I'd have to assume TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT were meant to be historically-accurate while DSC was the Taron Egerton Robin Hood version.

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 11:35 AM

If I was an alien being told these were dramatic re-enactments, I'd have to assume TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT were meant to be historically-accurate while DSC was the Taron Egerton Robin Hood version.

 

I would assume that the the series before DSC were limited by shitty primitive effects technology and DSC is what things should look like.  Just like the real world explanation.


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Posted 22 November 2019 - 11:43 AM

 

 

I'd love Star Trek But Animated to go hog wild with redesigning the aliens and really take advantage of the medium. No, they don't need to all be darwinnian gasbags or cthonic tentacle monsters, but Klingons or Bajorans or Gem H'Dar can all look meaningfully different from humans in shape and proportion.

And since it's a different visual medium, you can use that to explain away the inconsistencies to nerds without talking about stupid hugging viruses or dumbass Humanoid Ancestor DNA.

 

As I said with Discovery, some amount of redesign is fine (and necessary), but I want to be able to recognize Klingons AS Klingons, Bajorans AS Bajorans, etc. Don't make up a totally different alien and then try to tell me it's something I should be able to recognize. If you want to design a new alien, go wild! But give it a new name.

 

 

Nah, the Discovery Klingons or whatever are fine, they look different but it's a different show made decades after the TNG Klingons got introduced. In an animated show you're not limited by expensive cosmetics or CGI, so there's no reason to be strictly accurate to the source material.

 

I also don't care about visual accuracy to the source material. I really, seriously don't care. There's nothing to gain from it outside of cute homages and some very circumstantial stories.

 

Of course, personally speaking, the design changes I'm interested in are less about details as they are proportions and nonhumanoid bodytypes. That probably doesn't satisfy people but calling them different aliens would be worse by far than just using the Old Designs That Make The Nostalgia Button Happy. 

 

(This WOULD be a fantastic opportunity for some CGI/Puppet heavy aliens, however. Changelings, The Gorn, or the Tholians, maybe weird up the Borg, too!)

 

Seriously, I could not disagree with you more. Star Trek is an established franchise. If you want to do all that, you shouldn't be playing in an established franchise.


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Posted 22 November 2019 - 12:27 PM

I would assume that the the series before DSC were limited by shitty primitive effects technology and DSC is what things should look like.  Just like the real world explanation.

Effects technology doesn't explain the redesigned uniforms or extra-large stadium-sized bridges or the makeup that physically inhibits the performances of the people wearing it, nor the stuff that doesn't make practical in-universe sense, like the aforementioned magical-topsy-turvy-wonderland that replaces "elevator shafts," or the workpods flying around carrying boxes during a battle in which Pike & Number One specifically deployed every support ship they could find.

And never mind that there's no "new" VFX technology that's been introduced in Discovery; it's all purely down to having more budget than they know what to do with. The VFX on Discovery commit the cardinal sin of not being in service to the story, but existing purely so the producers can say "LOOK HOW BIG MY DIGITAL MANHOOD IS!!!1!!"

If ship-maintenance droids were intended to be a thing, we would've seen puppets and/or people in robot costumes as far back as TOS. Hell, remember NOMAD?
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Posted 22 November 2019 - 02:23 PM

 

 

I'd love Star Trek But Animated to go hog wild with redesigning the aliens and really take advantage of the medium. No, they don't need to all be darwinnian gasbags or cthonic tentacle monsters, but Klingons or Bajorans or Gem H'Dar can all look meaningfully different from humans in shape and proportion.

And since it's a different visual medium, you can use that to explain away the inconsistencies to nerds without talking about stupid hugging viruses or dumbass Humanoid Ancestor DNA.

 
As I said with Discovery, some amount of redesign is fine (and necessary), but I want to be able to recognize Klingons AS Klingons, Bajorans AS Bajorans, etc. Don't make up a totally different alien and then try to tell me it's something I should be able to recognize. If you want to design a new alien, go wild! But give it a new name.
 
 
Nah, the Discovery Klingons or whatever are fine, they look different but it's a different show made decades after the TNG Klingons got introduced. In an animated show you're not limited by expensive cosmetics or CGI, so there's no reason to be strictly accurate to the source material.
 
I also don't care about visual accuracy to the source material. I really, seriously don't care. There's nothing to gain from it outside of cute homages and some very circumstantial stories.
 
Of course, personally speaking, the design changes I'm interested in are less about details as they are proportions and nonhumanoid bodytypes. That probably doesn't satisfy people but calling them different aliens would be worse by far than just using the Old Designs That Make The Nostalgia Button Happy. 
 
(This WOULD be a fantastic opportunity for some CGI/Puppet heavy aliens, however. Changelings, The Gorn, or the Tholians, maybe weird up the Borg, too!)
 
Seriously, I could not disagree with you more. Star Trek is an established franchise. If you want to do all that, you shouldn't be playing in an established franchise.

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 02:33 PM

 

biological parts inside the ship used for ship-related things like hearts and blood vessels inside walls pumping various fluids.

 

Doctor Who got there first.

 

 

only if they did it before '96, which is when that book came out


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Posted 22 November 2019 - 03:35 PM

 

I would assume that the the series before DSC were limited by shitty primitive effects technology and DSC is what things should look like.  Just like the real world explanation.

Effects technology doesn't explain the redesigned uniforms or extra-large stadium-sized bridges or the makeup that physically inhibits the performances of the people wearing it, nor the stuff that doesn't make practical in-universe sense, like the aforementioned magical-topsy-turvy-wonderland that replaces "elevator shafts," or the workpods flying around carrying boxes during a battle in which Pike & Number One specifically deployed every support ship they could find.

 

 

I disagree with you on everything about the budget and what's necessary so I'm going to ignore it, but new technology does explain the uniforms.  Not effects technology, but camera technology. Shit is HD now.  That's why every single comic costume translated to live action is textured to hell.  It looks better on screen.  And the Klingons look worlds better than brownface eyeshadow TOS or bumpy forehead TNG Klingons, so I don't really give a shit about "inhibited" performance because it looks better and I didn't see enough of an inhibition to care.


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Posted 23 November 2019 - 12:38 PM

Yeah, it's too bad it's impossible to update TOS-era costumes for modern cinema-quality HD in a subtle, visually-consistent way.

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And if you don't think that the lack of facial expressions and inability to speak your lines around a mouthful of oversized dentures and false lips inhibits an actor's performance, I honestly don't know what to say.

(To clarify, I'm only talking about the Klingons. Doug Jones' performance as Saru was typically phenomenal [though he didn't have to wear dentures].)

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Posted 23 November 2019 - 01:23 PM

I haven't watched any more than Discovery's pilot. Is it something I should go ahead and watch?
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 02:36 PM

Depends on how much the visual/tech inconsistancies would bother you.   First season I'd say was okay.  Second season was better and had some episodes that actually felt to me like what I'd expect from Star Trek. 3rd season is up in the air(as it hasn't started yet), but the trailer seems to play it up like it's Andromeda Mk II with Burnham playing Kevin Sorbo playing Hercules in space. On the other hand it's the farthest point in the timeline that's been touched yet, since it's technically after the whole timeship stuff from Voyager/Enterprise.



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Posted 25 November 2019 - 12:46 PM

Yeah, it's too bad it's impossible to update TOS-era costumes for modern cinema-quality HD in a subtle, visually-consistent way.

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And if you don't think that the lack of facial expressions and inability to speak your lines around a mouthful of oversized dentures and false lips inhibits an actor's performance, I honestly don't know what to say.

(To clarify, I'm only talking about the Klingons. Doug Jones' performance as Saru was typically phenomenal [though he didn't have to wear dentures].)

 

Those Kelvin uniforms have little delta shields printed all over them, which is extremely silly.  The normal blue Discovery uniforms also have tiny gold delta shields on the sides, which is also very silly.

 

The Discovery Enterprise uniforms are the best update of the TOS uniforms.  Not entirely faithful, but very sharp.



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Posted 25 November 2019 - 01:05 PM

I like having added detail and texture to the fabrics--it gives them a more futuristic space age feel, like my athletic clothing.  But the use of the deltas is pretty stupid.  I guess it's fine as long as you don't look too closely.





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