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@  Sean Whitmore : (15 January 2019 - 08:47 PM)

The fact that Adventure Time was on the air for 8 years and at no point did Nintendo hand the creators a large sack of money and say, "Please make a Mario thing for us" will forever anger me.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 07:03 PM)

There was so much awesome put into design and conception of the super mario bros. movie, and it didn't even need the branding: but it wouldn't have made it to the screen without the branding.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:56 PM)

Many aspects of it have stuck in my memory, though. The boots, the devolution ray, the aesthetic of the dinosaur city

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

I had no idea there was another Mario Bros. movie coming out, though. Doubt it'll top the first one, it was just so bizarre

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

They already act a bit like minions; they just aren't stupid

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 05:35 PM)

The trouble is: I honestly can't decide if making them minions would be better or worse than the continuously shrill voices they've used for the last 20 years.

@  Paladin : (15 January 2019 - 05:27 PM)

hope everyone's ready for Toads to look, act & sound like the Minions forever...

@  Lancer : (15 January 2019 - 04:54 PM)

I mean, considering Illumination is making the new Mario movie, Super Mario Bros. 1993 won't be the worst Mario movie anymore

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 04:36 PM)

"Sir, your pizza's here." "Not now!"

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Actually, yeah. I think I need to watch it again. Great movie.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 03:44 PM)

It's a fun movie with amazing sets. As long as you don't try to connect it to anything else Mario, it's fine.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Damn, I haven't thought about the Super Mario Bros. feature film in forever. Need to watch it again, soon; I can only imagine it gets better with time.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Re:Zero is a fantastic series.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 03:10 PM)

Yeah it's not a bad concept, it's just that lately the term is associated with "I, a Loser Everyman, Woke Up In a Generic Fantasy Setting Where I'm Super Special So Now Girls Orbit Me"

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 12:59 PM)

So too is the old Super Mario Bros movie

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 12:28 PM)

I went and looked up the term "isekai"... that's not actually as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 12:19 PM)

I'm not sure, but the cartoon segments of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show are.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Wait. A. Minute. Is Blaster Master an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (15 January 2019 - 08:49 AM)

*Dragon Slave*

@  Xellos : (15 January 2019 - 06:22 AM)

I used to use a pic like that as my avatar for years, but that... is a secret.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 02:07 AM)

Is Flatland an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (14 January 2019 - 11:16 PM)

@Xellos Every time I see you post, I picture Xellos' infuriating smug grin and finger waggling with the "sore wa hi*mi*tsu*desu <3"

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 09:50 PM)

The Last Starfighter is also one of those

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

Astronaut gets shot through a wornhole and ends up on a living starship full of escaped alien prisoners.

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

I realized a few months ago that Farscape is a sci-fi-based Isekai.

@  Sabrblade : (14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM)

The Thor movies and Enchanted, as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (14 January 2019 - 08:45 PM)

@xellos We get to many of those in Hollywood movies.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 08:13 PM)

Re:Creators!

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 07:47 PM)

There is also Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero, where people regularly get summoned to a fantasy world, then eventually sent back with their accumulated powers (and the main character smuggles the demon lord's daugher by his request, which is a no-no)

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 07:23 PM)

We need more inverse isekais, like The Devil is a Part-Timer

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 04:11 PM)

I feel like Tron is pushing it but I can't actually come up with an argument to that effect

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

To Arazyr- I don't see why it wouldn't be.

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 02:11 PM)

Just like how TRON and Captain N are early examples of "getting transported into a video game"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (14 January 2019 - 02:07 PM)

That would explain why it's so common for isekai settings to be blatantly RPG-inspired.

@  Arazyr : (14 January 2019 - 01:42 PM)

Would the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon count as isekai? 8^)

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:06 PM)

I am in the exceedingly unpleasant position of knowing what you're talking about

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:05 PM)

So I'll just say I can consume the series without endorsing the real-life lie that false rape accusations are common and successful.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:04 PM)

I would go on to talk about that, but alas, that would spoil significant future story details about the accuser.

@  B-Fox : (14 January 2019 - 12:03 PM)

Shield Hero dared to have a male character falsely accused of rape, right?

@  B-Fox : (14 January 2019 - 12:02 PM)

At least now people will stop shitting on slice-of-life shows....

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:01 PM)

listen just because it has shield in its name does not mean you need to ally with it

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:01 PM)

oh good lord

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:00 PM)

In fact, the Shield Hero series does not portray slavery as a good thing nor keep the initial slave characters down for the count.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:00 PM)

If you're referring to The Rising of the Shield Hero, the backlash from some Western fans is misaimed, IMO.

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 11:59 AM)

I wish I was more surprised that "slavery apologetics" is a thing. Still disgusted.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 11:53 AM)

But surely we all know the best isekai is Captain N.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 11:49 AM)

This morning I saw one of my friends express disbelief at having an opportunity to say "yet another slavery apologist isekai"

@  Lancer : (14 January 2019 - 11:21 AM)

Although recently they explicably acquire a harem by purchasing them as slaves, which makes it that much worse

@  Lancer : (14 January 2019 - 11:21 AM)

I think what people hate is the modern trend of isekai taking place in generic-ass fantasy settings with bland, oft-overpowered male protagonists that inexplicably acquire a harem.

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Does Kingdom Hearts count? On the one hand it's a serial world hopping adventure, on the other hand all the worlds are contained within the same overworld that the characters have always been in, just unaware of.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 07:47 PM

I still can't believe Beyond wasn't a bigger hit. I loved that movie.

 

As much as I loved Into Darkness, it's the movie that was wrapped in a shitty, Wrath of Khan wrapper. Going back to that well after the TNG era did nothing BUT try to copy its formula lost the interest of a lot of movie goers and those Trek fans (like myself) who grew disenfranchised in that era. It was a sense of "Oh, they're doing this formula again?"

 

Beyond was what the second film of the franchise ought to have been, even though Into Darkness was needed to get Kirk from the 09 film to the Kirk we saw in Beyond.

 

It was just too little, too late. And even then with Pine's career exploding after Beyond, it was always iffy as to whether or not he'd go back to a franchise like Trek, that notoriously tends to stagnate the careers of the actors who partake in it. Bakula had to wait nine years before he was a lead actor in a series again.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:27 PM

I remember watching "Beyond" and thinking it was better than "Into Darkness," but otherwise I can't remember a thing that happened in it.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:08 PM

There was also an Enterprise reference, and an ugly space station that didn't make a lick of practical sense.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:57 PM

I didn't watch Beyond until late last year, just because that awful trailer plus Into Darkness left such a sour taste in my mouth.  I didn't expect to love it as much as I did, it's that movie alone that makes me want another 3 movies with this cast.

 

Not a perfect movie by any means though, particularly due to a severe misuse of Idris Elba.



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Posted 11 January 2019 - 01:34 PM

It was just too little, too late. And even then with Pine's career exploding after Beyond, it was always iffy as to whether or not he'd go back to a franchise like Trek, that notoriously tends to stagnate the careers of the actors who partake in it. Bakula had to wait nine years before he was a lead actor in a series again.

 

 

Most actors would kill to have ONE multi-year-running series they could claim to have starred in. By the end of Enterprise, Bakula already had two. I'm not weeping for him. 



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Posted 11 January 2019 - 05:25 PM

an ugly space station that didn't make a lick of practical sense.

 

Yeah, almost like it was a habitat they specifically stated was built from the ground up in space, so it didn't have to conform to standard gravitational limitations of geometry.

 

Yorktown's by no means a pretty station, but it was unique. And at least it was something other than San Fransisco that was being devastated in an Abramsverse Trek movie. I'm going to assume the city holds a substantial Romulan population for how much of a beating it takes (Nero's drill and Vengeance literally crashing on top of it).


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 05:54 PM

Yeah, almost like it was a habitat they specifically stated was built from the ground up in space, so it didn't have to conform to standard gravitational limitations of geometry.

Yeah, because artificial gravity is finger-wavey magic and doesn't need to have coherent internal logic in the science fiction franchise.

There's also the fact that the (non-pressurized) space docks are RIGHT HUGGING NEXT to the wide open civilian areas, separated only by sheets of transparent aluminum.

And that the atmosphere is held in by a massive forcefield bubble which would instantly disappear if something causes the power to flicker.

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 06:10 PM

Yup. If we want to get into technical quackery in Trek, we could be at this for quite a while.

 

Though what's funny is I originally was citing how Voyager had a Holodeck system (Presumably quite the energy hog) not tied into the main reactor, but TNG had a Holodeck system that allowed the construction of solid light components that could seize control of aforementioned main reactor. Then it hit me, the reason Voyager's Holodeck isn't tied into the network is BECAUSE OF what Barclay did in TNG.

 

So you win this round, Voyager writing staff. *Shakes fist*


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 06:37 PM

I'm not sure whether how it's powered matters; all the holodecks on Starfleet ships are connected to the main computer core, and via that a clever enough user could hack their way to controlling anything else connected to it, including the M/AM reactor.



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Posted 12 January 2019 - 05:37 AM

Holodecks seem antiquated now given the possibilities of virtual reality, think The Matrix or San Junipero in Black Mirror or virtual space in Caprica.

Voyager only had two for a hundred and fifty people, the Enterprise D had a few, Memory Alpha says Seven but I once heard it had four, such things would probably have reservations.


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Posted 12 January 2019 - 07:18 AM

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 12:55 PM

Holodecks seem antiquated now given the possibilities of virtual reality, think The Matrix or San Junipero in Black Mirror or virtual space in Caprica.

Voyager only had two for a hundred and fifty people, the Enterprise D had a few, Memory Alpha says Seven but I once heard it had four, such things would probably have reservations.

 

Well, holodecks provide an actual physical space and material objects through which to live out one's fantasies. There will always be people who would value the physical, visceral experience of that compared to something like The Matrix, which just interfaces with your brain to create the illusion of whatever environment is desired. Sure, you can learn Kung Fu in the matrix; but in doing so your physical body won't attain the conditioning needed to actually practice it in the real world. Not so for the holodeck.



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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:02 PM

Also note that holodecks aren't used just for fantasies; we also see them used for training, research, and social/diplomatic functions that can't be performed elsewhere.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:12 PM

I still fundamentally question how a society with holodecks and replicators does not devolve into hedonistic anarchy, Human nature being what it is. That being said, one of my principle defenses in the criticism to Into Darkness with Marcus using Khan to develop the Vengeance and how a 300 year old being who predates Warp Travel could be of use on that front is that after World War III and the Post Atomic Horror that followed it, Human psyche fundamentally changed in such a way that our modern natures and inclinations became almost alien to the generations who lived after.

 

Or maybe the core worlds of the Federation are in a state of hedonistic anarchy, given the commonality of world governments being usurped by alien infiltrators on a depressingly routine basis.


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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:25 PM

Star Trek was built on optimism and idealism, Its why we make peace with the Vulcans when they land, rather then shoot them. So human nature likely has shifted. Faced with the brink of extinction in a post-apocalyptic world humanity decided to be better to recover itself, rather then 'hug it' and start waging war against the universe. As we are in the real world, could never lead to the kind of world that Star Trek presents. So to compare the human nature that we know to Star Trek is pointless.


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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:27 PM

Once you're a few generations into a post-scarcity society of people who've never known real want of anything, and who know with every fiber of their being that regardless of what happens, the necessities of life will always be available to them, I think you'd probably see some significant shifts in behavior compared to modern people. The kind of greed we see today, in a world where people are still fighting for limited resources and many don't know if they'll have food or a roof over their head from one night to the next (even in the world's richest country, to say nothing of its poorest), would become very rare.


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Posted 13 January 2019 - 06:16 PM

Also note that, in every society, the two biggest questions are "what behaviour will be punished?" and "what behaviour will be rewarded?" After a few generations (and backed up by access to education and the means to avoid poverty), learned behaviours like values and morality tend to become mostly self-sustaining. People in the Federation clearly value productive labour and social engagement for its own sake, with people like Reg Barclay (prone to holo-addiction) or Tom Paris (with his reckless daredevil tendencies) being outliers who are given counselling and (ideally) led toward a place where their abilities can be used productively.

(Also consider that the Vulcans are probably experts in long-term social engineering, given how Surak's teachings have become normalized across all strata of Vulcan society, and they played an active role in Earth's reconstruction and the eventual formation of the Federation.)

It's less a matter of changing human nature and more about creating a society where things like unchecked avarice, bigotry, and cruelty will get you arrested and not, y'know, elected president.



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