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@  Otaku : (23 October 2018 - 09:12 AM)

Now, I'm not saying that Cybertronians ought to have human life-spans, just that "millions of years" is too long.  Though I suppose it makes the "Oh, I suddenly remembered [plot point]!" moments credible because where do you store all the memories in an easily accessed form?  If you do remember even most things clearly... might that not be maddening?

@  Otaku : (23 October 2018 - 09:09 AM)

The "millions of years old" thing is probably the most alien aspect of Cybertronians.  It pushes my suspension of disbelief for anything remotely human to live that long and still be sane, or maybe even functional.  I think of how aging has affected my own view and sure, some of it is biological maturation, but a lot of it is experience.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2018 - 07:11 AM)

But they don't really have a childhood either. They go online and all maturation is literally job experience.

@  Shrug : (23 October 2018 - 06:47 AM)

Well, they're practically immortal. That kind of lifespan doesn't exactly push growing up.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 October 2018 - 04:00 AM)

They can't handle physical scale, did you think temporal scale would fare any better?

@  Pennpenn : (23 October 2018 - 03:44 AM)

Maybe it's that they're functionally intelligent, but don't ever really mature much psychologically. That and presumably the original writers gave as much of a shit about deep time as they did about space geometry.

@  Whirl Maximus : (23 October 2018 - 02:03 AM)

I'm mixed about the millions of years thing, it's somewhat at odds when transformers are humanized as they often are.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 October 2018 - 11:59 PM)

Are any of the Transformers terribly bright, really? This is a spacefaring civilization that's millions of years old that seem to be fighting a perpetual war for no particular reason. Transformers are stupider than humans

@  wonko the sane? : (22 October 2018 - 08:31 PM)

Depends on the machine. Are you recruiting them, or MAKING them?

@  Cybersnark : (22 October 2018 - 08:30 PM)

... And not terribly bright.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 October 2018 - 07:51 PM)

Makes sense for robot soldiers: you would want something fast, low profile, but lots of power.

@  Waspinator : (22 October 2018 - 06:31 PM)

If we go by the Prime cartoon, sports cars apparently ARE the expendable troop of choice.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 October 2018 - 04:29 PM)

Just fold 'em into a box and slap some wheels on it, they'll figure it out.

@  Pennpenn : (22 October 2018 - 01:57 AM)

Given that by the time we're up to in the story Functionalism had been dead for millions of years and many of the people around were made during and for the war, it's probably more likely that "sports car shaped thing" was an easy to make alt mode for expendable troops.

@  MEDdMI : (21 October 2018 - 09:52 PM)

maybe there's underground demolition derbies too

@  Locoman : (21 October 2018 - 09:25 PM)

Every single sports car was one of those two jobs? Considering how many there seem to be....

@  RichardT1977 : (21 October 2018 - 07:34 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (21 October 2018 - 03:32 PM)

It's mentioned in one issue that Bumblebee was a courier. The only other fast cars I can remember seeing in Functionist times were Blur and a couple of Stunticons, as racers.

@  SG Roadbuster : (21 October 2018 - 12:14 PM)

i figured the sports cars were either racers or couriers.

@  Nevermore : (21 October 2018 - 12:13 PM)

Upper Class. They're clearly not made for manual labor.

@  Locoman : (21 October 2018 - 12:09 PM)

Functionism only really makes sense for certain alternate modes like mining or construction equipment; where do things like sports cars fit in?

@  Xellos : (21 October 2018 - 11:51 AM)

At least in the movies they can switch to a (similar) alt mode at will, it seems. Especially if they want to sell more toys per movie.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2018 - 10:44 AM)

They are a race of adaptive machines. Maybe they were expected to change themselves to fit the role?

@  RichardT1977 : (21 October 2018 - 10:06 AM)

IDW-verse discrimination still made more sense than the backstory in TF: Exodus, where everyone's caste was assigned seemingly at random with no regard for their aptitudes (altmode or otherwise)

@  MEDdMI : (21 October 2018 - 07:55 AM)

Lost Light is good too, so far.

@  MEDdMI : (21 October 2018 - 07:54 AM)

I'm not terribly into Transformers in general, but I did mostly enjoy the More Than Meets The Eye series.

@  Nevermore : (21 October 2018 - 05:11 AM)

Which has been in the state constitution since 1946, but was never actually executed according to documents, and is currently not in effect because the German federal constitution, which takes priority over state constitution, has banned the death penalty back in 1949.

@  Nevermore : (21 October 2018 - 05:09 AM)

Huh. So next weekend, when the German state of Hesse will have its state election, there will also be a ballot about changing the state constitution... and one of the proposed changes will be abolishing the death penalty.

@  Waspinator : (21 October 2018 - 03:44 AM)

I really need to read those comics

@  Pennpenn : (21 October 2018 - 03:28 AM)

Up to and including the fact that certain alternate modes could end up being classified as "surplus to requirements" and systematically murdered.

@  Pennpenn : (21 October 2018 - 03:26 AM)

And in IDW comics where it is/was literally a form of apartheid where your alternate mode pretty much dictated how you were treated by society, what jobs you could pursue, pretty much everything.

@  Waspinator : (21 October 2018 - 02:24 AM)

We do get hints of that from time to time in Transformers, with stuff like some jets acting smug towards cars and whatnot.

@  RichardT1977 : (20 October 2018 - 08:10 PM)

"No shotgun of Mine is going to marry a rocket launcher" sounds like something that Targetmasters (or WFC Siege Micromasters) might say...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 08:06 PM)

The characters are actually kinda nice. Sure a bunch of them are from New Jersey, but you get a few aliens too.. But if you do that, you might want to go digital delux verisons.

@  Xellos : (20 October 2018 - 06:38 PM)

My only issue is that the aside from Fox, the looks of the characters are kinda bland. If anything, I'll at least get it on Black Friday, as they almost always have deals on the toys to life stuff.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 06:07 PM)

Well I can tell you, if you are going physical version because you want the toys. The Switch version has the best Ship mount as you just slide the joycons into it. The PS4 ship mount is wired. The game itself is very good in my opionion. In some ways it starts to turn into an RTS without being an RTS. You've got to start focus on keeping your planets from being taken back over. It has a LOT to do. It does have some repitive missions, because well, trying to let you level up all pilots and ships and such. The switch version -ALSO- has starfox only missions and the characters are incorporated into the story.

@  Xellos : (20 October 2018 - 06:03 PM)

How is Starlink anyways? Been thinking of getting the Switch version for StarFox, which is quite unusal for me, as I almost always pick the PS4 versions (favorite controller and I already have so many Trophys on it).

@  Waspinator : (20 October 2018 - 05:42 PM)

No shotgun of mine is going to marry a rocket launcher!

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 October 2018 - 05:22 PM)

Should they be allowed to marry outside of their own caliber?

@  Waspinator : (20 October 2018 - 05:18 PM)

I'm conflicted on the subject of marriage rights for shotguns.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 October 2018 - 03:24 PM)

You say, "Damn it, what do you think this is, a shotgun wedding?"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 October 2018 - 03:23 PM)

What do you do if someone wants to bring their concealed-carry to your American wedding?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 01:58 PM)

Benbot, I was streaming the PS4 version of Starlink

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 October 2018 - 01:25 PM)

Ergo their reporting will have its own slant on the facts as they choose, not the most neutral way possible.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 October 2018 - 01:24 PM)

I find it sad to realize that the prestigious New York Times which I trusted a lot as a kid in fact has its own editorial agenda.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 01:20 PM)

The end result is NOT that stupid bullshit gets equal coverage as reasonable arguments. That would be problematic in itself (the "false balance" bias), but the provlem is that the controversial stupid bullshit gets MORE coverage than the reasonable arguments.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 01:17 PM)

The media doesn't want to miss the opportunity to report on a controversy, and as a consequence makes sure that the controversial statements reach an audience.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 01:17 PM)

Because they realized that saying controversial shit is guaranteed to get coverage.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 01:16 PM)

It's the same here in Germany. Our right-wing moron party is still a political minority, yet they succeed in driving the topics the media keeps reporting.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 01:15 PM)

The main problem was that Trump was banking on controversy, and the media was reporting controversy because it gave them ratings.


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#1 Broadside

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:31 PM

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:37 PM

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#3 Locoman

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:37 PM

Hasbroverse 2 confirmed?


"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:43 PM

No Livio, you can't come.

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:50 PM

I'll be disappointed if anybody from the previous IDW is involved for the first few years more closely than Barber-as-EIC. That's not how you do a reboot.



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Posted 07 August 2018 - 08:16 PM

They already grabbed Furman, who was fresh offa writing Dreamwave as it crashed and burned, to jumpstart IDW's current TF continuity.  So, technically, that's how IDW has already done a reboot!



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Posted 07 August 2018 - 08:22 PM

But Dreamwave's Transformers and IDW's Transformers were completely different.  Dreamwave was building up to the events of Transformers: the Movie and IDW had the Transformers off Cybertron engaged in some type of Cold War.



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Posted 07 August 2018 - 09:03 PM

Depending on how aggressively they're launching this out of the gate (multiple books, maybe?) I can't see why we can't get a mixture of old talent and fresh blood.


"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 09:12 PM

If you'd have asked me "do you want IDW to get Furman to do this new continuity?" I would have said no then, too.

 

I'd have been extremely wrong, as it turns out, but I still believe in the general principle.



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Posted 08 August 2018 - 05:02 PM

They probably wont have Milne or Griffith as a 'lead' artist right away, but I could see a relative newcomer like Zama sticking around.



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Posted 08 August 2018 - 05:18 PM

But Dreamwave's Transformers and IDW's Transformers were completely different.  Dreamwave was building up to the events of Transformers: the Movie and IDW had the Transformers off Cybertron engaged in some type of Cold War.

That's Walky's point; it's an existence proof that an effective reboot can happen even if some of the same people are involved. And as LV!'s saying, that still doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea, either. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 05:28 PM

There's also the issue of IDW wanting to quickly build goodwill with established creators like Furman and Figueroa after Dreamwave's spectacular failure. Thirteen years later, they don't have to worry about people thinking they're just another fly by night operation.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 10:22 PM

Ian Flynn is new blood! Go get him involved!

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 05:49 AM

Anyone know what James McDonough is up to these days?

 

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:16 AM

I honestly wouldn't mind. At this point it's a fresh voice, especially if he's gotten past the tweaked-rehash ideas told through super-decompressed narration. I liked some of what he was doing at the time.

 

But let's get a variety of new-new writers and artists in there, too.

 

Not that this couldn't have happened under the older/current-for-a-short-while-yet run, but I still want that Brave and the Bold style "Optimus teams up with a random character per issue" series.


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:41 AM

I wouldn’t mind returning creators, I mean, it’s going to be a new continuity anyways and it’s possible for them to do things with this universe that they couldn’t do with the last (just NO Simon Furman, PLEASE). But I hope for a lot of opportunities for some new talent to shine too!

For me the IDW continuity itself has been so inexorably tied to the post war era (even though for much of its early run it was a cold war/hot war setting) because that’s when it grew the most as a franchise and really carved out its own unique niche. It’s the de facto continuity a lot of us jump to when we think “Transformers”
And that leaves us with a double edged sword: assumingly the new continuity will at least start with a more traditional “Autobots vs Decepticons” war time setting so it will feel very different and new right out of the gate. But then the other side of that coin is that it’s going to be replacing a highly popular and wildly unique universe, and def has the danger of being seen as “safe” or a corporate synergy return to a more marketable status quo.

I’m very interested to see where IDW is going to go with this reboot, and I can only hope it’s as deep, interesting, inclusive, varied, and exciting as the books we’ve all enjoyed for years (for the record imo the “-ation” era stuff was very good in spite of it being Furman, precisely cuz he started out by doing some very un-Furmany things!)

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:49 AM

I liked Simon's run on the IDW-verse, so I'm sure he could write something good, given the right circumstances. No big for me either way though.

 

Just as long as they don't give Shane McCarthy another 'event'. Mind, it's been a good eight years, so he probably won't be back either, which is fine by me.


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 11:45 AM

But then the other side of that coin is that it’s going to be replacing a highly popular and wildly unique universe, and def has the danger of being seen as “safe” or a corporate synergy return to a more marketable status quo.

 

It doesn't matter what it's like, frankly. It's going to take it months (years) to battle past all the resentment that it's not More Of What We Were Already Enjoying. That's always what happens, and why I don't expect to have any enjoyable discussions about it at the beginning (ever).



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Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:50 PM

Not universally. There were plenty of Transformers fans who didn't like this universe at all, and you're probably going to have some of them coming back and trying the new thing. Even if every single person who was reading IDW's Transformers books up to now remains endlessly sore that that continuity ended, I imagine there are still going to be a lot of people approaching this one without those expectations.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 07:29 PM

I do feel like this current Universe has the most crossover appeal and theres only going to be one man child brought back in for every three that liked Chromedome/Rewind that it alienates.

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