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@  Ashley : (21 April 2019 - 10:08 PM)

They frequently do, but yeah there's no rule. Google will usually answer it for a specific restaurant, though

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 April 2019 - 02:57 PM)

Depends on the restaurant and the area. There's no universal rule about it.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 April 2019 - 02:41 PM)

I thought restaurants were one of the few things that stayed open on holidays, along with movie theatres and the like

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 April 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Well here I am hungry on a Sunday afternoon and I head to Chipotle only to find out right then and there that the place is closed for Easter. Yay.

@  MEDdMI : (19 April 2019 - 09:21 PM)

oof, yikes. Good luck.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 April 2019 - 09:18 PM)

We're in the middle of a kitchen reno and NOTHING will be done until tuesday. I could beat a four day weekend with a hammer right now if it meant I could use my stove again.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 April 2019 - 06:47 PM)

Can't beat 4 day weekends either.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 April 2019 - 06:47 PM)

I prefer later shifts myself, but my 3 day weekend shift isn't bad. Nice to work without those administration busy bodies poking around.

@  Nevermore : (19 April 2019 - 04:12 AM)

Yeah, traffic is a plus as well. Rarely got any trouble getting to work on late shift (even with the neverending construction site on the highway), and when my shift is over, there's hardly any traffic at all anymore.

@  MEDdMI : (18 April 2019 - 06:27 PM)

while I don't have weekends consistently off, working 2nd shift isn't so bad. I'm more likely to do stuff before work than after (when I'm already tired). Plus no rush hour traffic

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 April 2019 - 05:03 PM)

Switching shifts constantly is never good for one's health. There was a time when I worked overnights steady for about 2 years; did wonders for my health, as well

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:36 PM)

Don't miss early shift (and especially switching back and forth every two weeks) a bit.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:36 PM)

Man, permanent late shift really has done wonders for my overal well-being. Never having to get up early for work, staying up late, weekends off... a ot of my coworkers think I'm crazy, but late shift is really my preferred shift.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

(My total lack of sleep on that day might have contributed, though.)

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

At noon, it was warm.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

On Monday, we went on strike early in the morning, I was also wearing to jackets and gloves and my toes and fingers were freezing.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 April 2019 - 04:31 PM)

Nope, right now my days are doing that. Frigid at night (Well, just below zero, but still.) and warm enough to be always be ill prepared during the day.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Today it's so warm I had to take a shower to wash off the sweat after a lengthy bike trip.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:27 PM)

This past Friday I was wearing two jackets and winter gloves outside and took a hot bath when I returned home.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:27 PM)

Is "April weather" an issue in other countries as well, or is that specifically a German phenomenon?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Well, when you understand the history of the area it make sense. It's basically a series of countries buying the place, moving in, saying "we rule you people now", and the locals shrugging and responding, "okay, you have fun with that".

@  Sabrblade : (16 April 2019 - 07:58 AM)

When did we all turn into Henry Higgins?

@  unluckiness : (16 April 2019 - 03:16 AM)

To be fair, most Americans can't get the hang of English, so I can understand why.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:15 AM)

(And yeah, Calliope is a Greek muse, not French, but the street was named BY the French when they took over.)

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:10 AM)

In New Orleans there's a bunch of streets with French names that are pronounced by locals with a more English emphasis, for example "Calliope Street" is pronounced "CAL-lee-ope".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 11:56 PM)

I figured as much for Canadians.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 11:37 PM)

hm; whenever I've heard people talk about the school they said it the same way as the cathedral...but I guess that's in Canada, so they're probably more familiar with the cathedral than the school

@  Dracula : (15 April 2019 - 11:11 PM)

There's plenty of place names in the US like that. Around here we have an "el doh-RAY-doh," and up north there's a Cairo that's pronounced "kay-roh"

@  RichardT1977 : (15 April 2019 - 09:56 PM)

Yeah, the common pronunciation of the University is probably the reason most Americans don't pronounce the Cathedral name correctly.

@  Arazyr : (15 April 2019 - 08:03 PM)

That's my understanding of how the two are supposed to be pronounced as well.

@  Echowarrior : (15 April 2019 - 07:42 PM)

When I'm talking about the cathedral, I say "noh-treh dahme". When I talk about the university, I say "noh-ter dayme". I don't see a problem with that.

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 06:26 PM)

guessing "Hunchback" just got bumped WAY down the list for Disney's live-action remakes...

@  Patch : (15 April 2019 - 05:56 PM)

We all pronounce it wrong, so no one knows enough to care.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 05:40 PM)

It'd be odd for most Americans not to know how to pronounce Notre Dame, considering they have a University with the same name that's the subject of a relatively popular film based around a sport most Americans love

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Three or four more hours will be needed to contain the fire.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Update from France 24: the Paris Fire Brigade says two towers and the main structure of the cathedral have been saved from complete destruction.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:57 PM)

One does not have to speak French to know that rhyming with "voter name" is off the mark.

@  Locoman : (15 April 2019 - 03:51 PM)

Really? It's an international tragedy and you're zeroing in on the people who maybe don't speak French?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:44 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw I just read on BBC News that the cause is not yet clear, but officials suspect the fire could be linked to renovation work.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:42 PM)

Oh boy, here we go with the U.S.-American newscasters who can't pronounce "Notre Dame" correctly.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 April 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Too soon to say.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 April 2019 - 03:20 PM)

Do we know if it was an attack? Arson? Or just bad wiring?

@  Nevermore : (15 April 2019 - 02:10 PM)

Religion is dead?

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 02:01 PM)

major cathedral burning down on Holy Week is some kind of metaphor.

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:54 PM)

Hard to believe a wonder of the world could just be wiped out so easily. Hopefully they can still save it

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Well, Notre Dame is burning down

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 10:05 AM)

yikes I thought the site was going to be down for a while

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:07 PM)

So, time for another strike. No sleep for me tonight. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:04 PM)

Think Game of Thrones "light" meets Cabaret and you get the idea.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:03 PM)

Kinda sorta, just with more intrigue, conspiracy, depravity, crime and violence.


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#1 Telly

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 02:54 PM

i highly doubt this is a new thought (especially given how sharp the people here are), but its been bugging me for some time.

 

so at the beginning, doc comes to marty and jennifer and tells them they have to do something about their kids in the future. no problem there. so they hop in the delorean and set course for 2015. THIS is where it starts bugging me. how can marty and jennifer help their kids if they (marty and jen) have essentially been removed from the timeline?

 

im hardly a genius when it comes to this stuff, but seems to me that when they leave in the delorean, they no longer exist in the timeline. since theyre moving through the two years, they dont exist between 1985 and 2015. how can they still have kids if they werent around in the preceeding 30 years? is the 2015 they go to an parallel universe?

 

i hope i did a good enough job of explaining what im getting at, cause im not always very good at getting out whats in my head

 

thoughts on this?


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 03:28 PM

My explination, is simple. They don't disappear because they're still there. What I mean is, while they disappear from the timeline, they return at about the same point they left. That return is factored into the timeline. The timeline only changes when they make actual changes in their own personal timeline, like how the 'You're Fired' fax doesn't disappear til Marty doesn't race Needles. As long as you return to the point you leave, it doesn't matter that you left.

 

As another sort of example, in Doctor Who (which I know would technically follow different rules) the 11th Doctor brings Rory and Amy to a relatively close year (like 10-ish years) and in it they see their future selves actually visiting the area, becuase at that point they were fated to return to their normal lives in their normal timeline. Its not until something changes that that that future becomes invalidated. But at that point time still seemed to move forward with the idea that they'd be able to be at that future place when it was their present.


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 03:31 PM

... I need to find that image that shows there's like nine timelines in the series and how they get obliterated one after the other
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 03:48 PM

There was an episode of M.A.N.T.I.S. (an old one-season superhero show on Fox) that pretty much did what you're saying. The main hero got thrown into the future, and the whole world sucked because he was declared dead from the moment he left and wasn't there to stop something horrible.

But yeah, it seems like Time always takes it for granted that time travelers will come back to when they're supposed to be.

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 03:59 PM

I was going to say something about the possibility of there being TWO sets of Doc and Martys in the corrupted 1985 (with the "proper" Doc and Marty possibly having never met and Doc not being able to build a time machine), then I realized it could be a delayed erasure, like what occurred in the first film.

 

So, coming from 2015, they might have actually bought themselves extra time to fix the time line.  It was days before Marty noticed the timeline changes in the picture, so I'm assuming the "proper" duo had at least a couple days before the new reality "caught up" with them.



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Posted 06 August 2018 - 04:14 PM

Okay I was wrong, there's just eight.

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 04:46 PM

There was an episode of M.A.N.T.I.S. (an old one-season superhero show on Fox) that pretty much did what you're saying. The main hero got thrown into the future, and the whole world sucked because he was declared dead from the moment he left and wasn't there to stop something horrible.

But yeah, it seems like Time always takes it for granted that time travelers will come back to when they're supposed to be.

 

i think the 90s flash show did something similar too

 

as for the picture nutjob posted...

 

 

i knew posting topic this would just lead to me being confused even more!


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:21 PM

Okay I was wrong, there's just eight.

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"Deux-Loreans" is wrong. Gasoline decays and damages engine parts if it's left sitting in the tank for even 6 months, let alone 70 years. 1885 Doc would have drained the tank before burying it.

It's possible to convert coal to gas, and a man who could invent what was apparently a stove-powered icemaker in 1885 should have been able to do it. We must assume that Doc lacked the parts necessary within their one week deadline.

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:21 PM

Time travel, its enough to give one a headache as you try to think about the various consquences of it


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 06:14 PM

 

There was an episode of M.A.N.T.I.S. (an old one-season superhero show on Fox) that pretty much did what you're saying. The main hero got thrown into the future, and the whole world sucked because he was declared dead from the moment he left and wasn't there to stop something horrible.

But yeah, it seems like Time always takes it for granted that time travelers will come back to when they're supposed to be.

 

i think the 90s flash show did something similar too

 

as for the picture nutjob posted...

 

 

i knew posting topic this would just lead to me being confused even more!

 

That episode is insane. If I recall correctly, O'Brien goes to the future, meets himself, dies, and then his future self goes back to the present. O'Brien for the rest of the show is technically a time clone from alternate timeline.



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Posted 06 August 2018 - 06:35 PM

that is correct. the miles that ends the series isnt the same one that started it. its only a few hours difference between the 2, but still

 

i think voyager also did sort of the same thing with harry kim


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 07:23 PM

The part about BTTF 2 that bothers me is the one that came true.


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:12 PM

Funny enough, if you watch some of the bonus features on the trilogy sets. (I have the one that first included the Ride footage) they address this.

 

Basically yeah, they state that the way it works is off the knowledge that at some point Marty and Jenifer go back to the timeline. Or the 'real' answer. If it worked with Marty and Jenifer vanishing from the timeline, they couldn't do the movie, so that didn't happen.


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:57 PM

This is one thing Voyager actually got right with the invention of timeships.  They are able to "integrate" multiple versions of the same person into a single entity in the timeline.  No need to explain it further than that.  Past, present and future selves are all the same individual--there is no right or wrong version--they're all native to the same timeline.



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Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:26 PM

I am obligated:

 

 

More to the point:

The Back to the Future movies seem to roughly follow the rule that timelines take a certain amount of time to catch up and that individuals involved in time travel are somehow specially protected from the events, at least to a certain degree.  So Marty, Doc and co can jump around in time and there seems to be a general 'assumption' of sorts by the timeline that they return and everything's normal, right up until something that might change it happens and then it seems to take a dramatically valuable period of time to adjust.


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 11:45 PM

How long did Marty spend in 1955 before his photo started fading out? Like a week? It would probably have taken the same amount of time for 2015 to start going screwy. And they were only there for about a day. Same reason the effects of Biff's trip didn't start manifesting until they traveled back. (Although that too is a bit confusing. Why didn't the three of them end up back in normal 1985, only to have the entire town slowly change like Marty's family photo over the course of the following week? Could it be explained away by Biff deciding to stick around for an extra week after dropping off the book to take a trip down Memory Lane?)

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 08:05 AM

 

i have a shirt with that on it :)

 

How long did Marty spend in 1955 before his photo started fading out? Like a week? It would probably have taken the same amount of time for 2015 to start going screwy. And they were only there for about a day. Same reason the effects of Biff's trip didn't start manifesting until they traveled back. (Although that too is a bit confusing. Why didn't the three of them end up back in normal 1985, only to have the entire town slowly change like Marty's family photo over the course of the following week?

 

best guess is past changes are near instantaneous (well, from a certain point of view). since times normal motion is forward, anything changed in the past has ample opportunity to set in and take affect. its kinda hard to imagine as most stories dont have more than one person running around changing time in opposite directions. its usually a person (or in this case a team of people) working to change ONE thing then heading home. hardly ever see someone from said time stealing the groups time machine and going back to change something else. so i think this is a unique situation in time travel stories

 

back on point, i think doc is completely right with his explanation of why they didnt come back to the "normal" 1985. the timeline had 30 years (starting from 1955) to adjust itself and make rich biff set in and be the norm. as for the picture taking a week to fade, marty had until the big dance to get them together cause that was where they had their first kiss. had marty shown up two weeks before the dance or two hours, he wouldve had the corresponding amount of time to get them together; two weeks in the first case, two hours in the second case. and the picture wouldve been faded (or not) to reflect how much time he had. 


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Posted 07 August 2018 - 08:31 AM

The first thing to understand about time travel: no one person, or group of people, is so important that just the presence or lack of presence will affect anything. Unless you travel far enough that your modern germs start a plague... or you go so far forward that you die from a modern disease you have no immunity for.

 

The second thing to understand: if your start and end point of your trip aren't so significantly spaced that your disappearance can't be explained away by something mundane (I.e. You leave at 10 am, and come back at noon. "guys, I just went to walmart.") then you still exist for the time between. Because we as individuals aren't that important. If you bugger off for a couple of years (i.e. you leave at 10 am august 2012 and come back 10 am august 2018.) and make no attempt to repair the gap (cause the only way to fix time travel is with more time travel.) THEN you do not exist for that period. But likely will have changed nothing anyway... cause we as individuals aren't that important. Which is why stuff like BTTF goes out of it's way to make departures and arrivals almost overlap. There's a lot less to fix if no one even notices you left in the first place.

 

You thought JET LAG was bad. Try spend 1 minute and 2 weeks in the future. This is why time travel sucks.

 

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 08:52 AM

How long did Marty spend in 1955 before his photo started fading out? Like a week? It would probably have taken the same amount of time for 2015 to start going screwy. And they were only there for about a day. Same reason the effects of Biff's trip didn't start manifesting until they traveled back. (Although that too is a bit confusing. Why didn't the three of them end up back in normal 1985, only to have the entire town slowly change like Marty's family photo over the course of the following week? Could it be explained away by Biff deciding to stick around for an extra week after dropping off the book to take a trip down Memory Lane?)


We actually dont know if 2015 changed before they left. They were already in a bad neighborhood and Biff got back right before they left. All we saw was a bad neighborhood in the dark.

What bothers ME is the movie not explaining old Biff being in pain. There is some implication, but not enough that I understood it before it was explained to me. In the timeline he created he did not survive to 2015. I think that is very poignant and should have been hammered home.

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 08:55 AM

Ah, see, first flick, Marty was the locus of the timeline disturbance. Apparently it takes time (!?) for disturbances to propagate forward through the timeline, hit Marty's existance and then propagate back to him in the past. Then in the second flick, the time it takes for Old Biff's changes to propagate forward means they left the 2015 of Timeline 3 before the changes hit, but landed in 1985 Timeline 4 after the propagation wave had already passed.
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