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@  Shrug : (20 October 2018 - 05:28 AM)

Russian interference should have been fighting an uphill battle, but as far as I'm concerned we gave them a head start.

@  Shrug : (20 October 2018 - 05:23 AM)

I disagree with Hillary being a good choice to run against Trump. Plenty of mixed feelings about her long before 2016 within our own party. When the DNC has to rig it's own primaries to get their chosen candidate running, maybe you shouldn't expect an easy landslide at the actual election.

@  Pennpenn : (20 October 2018 - 05:20 AM)

It would have also helped if the US was also an actualy democracy where the candidate who gets the most votes wins, but hey.

@  Rycochet : (20 October 2018 - 04:42 AM)

You helped destroy western democracy, but hey, at least no-one can accuse you of bias... Oh wait, they did, still do, and are going to keep doing so as long as you report facts.

@  Rycochet : (20 October 2018 - 04:39 AM)

Hillary was a good choice to run against Trump, the big problem was the media crawling all over themselves to try and push the idea of fairness, and threw her under the bus to do so. Any hint of impropriety was treated as being exactly the same as actual proven criminal acts by Trump in order to avoid being seen as biased... and at the end of it all, he turned around and bit them for doing so because that's who he is.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:37 AM)

Many right-wingers are using its name as part of our version of the term "libtards": "Left-green filthy".

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:35 AM)

It's the only of the "established" parties (it's almost 40 years old at this point) that has remained true to its principles.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:34 AM)

Meanwhile, some uplifting news from Germany: While our big parties are rapidly losing voters, and our new "we're not really extreme" right-wing party is gaining voters, there is one other party that is scoring massive points, both in polls and the recent Bavarian state election: The Green Party.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:33 AM)

I still think having Hillary run against Drumpf was a bad choice.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 03:32 AM)

Well on the bright side, we know more people voted for HIllary than the cheeto.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:31 AM)

I guess many a prepper might have also voted for the person most likely to bring about the end of society they are waiting for.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:28 AM)

Now let that sink in, and then think about how many people voted for Agent Orange.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:27 AM)

Elected officials often represent how the voters either view themselves, or how they would like to be.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 12:21 AM)

Well I had 8 people watching my stream at one time tonight.. I call that a success...

@  Telly : (19 October 2018 - 11:08 PM)

my latest order from tfsource is coming from pennsylvania. all other ones have come from vegas (or thereabouts). did they move? is there a convention in pennsylvania theyre at and shipped from there?

@  MEDdMI : (19 October 2018 - 10:02 PM)

Unless it's the main cast of Persona 5.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 October 2018 - 10:02 PM)

I realize there is a certain irony in my vocabulary selection there.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 October 2018 - 10:01 PM)

People who admire public thieves and tricksters are.....sad.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 07:04 PM)

Ah damn it, need to go get some new headphones.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2018 - 06:21 PM)

Power was out for most of the day, and now a boil water advisory. Been a great day so far...

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:31 PM)

Bottom line, he reminds them alternatively of all the con men they grew up with watching on television (i.e. televangelists) or their favorite character from the Bible (i.e. Old Testament God).

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:30 PM)

Bill Maher gave an excellent explanation for why the Religious Right loves Trump so much.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2018 - 05:02 PM)

"NOOOO said the man in washington! It's belongs to the poor!"... oh boy was he wrong.

@  Paladin : (19 October 2018 - 04:34 PM)

see also Andrew Ryan

@  RichardT1977 : (19 October 2018 - 03:18 PM)

Also, "Big Father" has almost all the benefits of "Big Brother", but with none of the drawbacks.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 October 2018 - 02:22 PM)

I'd go with "moron", personally.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 10:02 AM)

Why not both?

@  Benbot : (19 October 2018 - 09:56 AM)

I think she was a psychopath.

@  Echowarrior : (19 October 2018 - 09:50 AM)

Ayn Rand was a pretentious bitch.

@  Noideaforaname : (19 October 2018 - 09:31 AM)

But Sven makes way more sense now

@  Noideaforaname : (19 October 2018 - 09:30 AM)

Man, watching the original Voltron cartoon for the first time is so weird after having only seen the Netflix reboot.

@  D.M : (19 October 2018 - 09:09 AM)

+They don't really give a crap about God. All their religious talk is just part of the mask. They wanna look like the ideal citizen (what they consider that to be) - the most Christian of all Christians, the most patriotic of all patriots, etc.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 08:13 AM)

That's because she was also greedy, heartless, and despised the poor, which is something the right often loves more than God.

@  RichardT1977 : (19 October 2018 - 07:55 AM)

I find it rather amusing that the party of the Religious Right sees wisdom in a woman who hated the notion of God almost as much as she hated and feared the idea of being part of a family.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:39 AM)

However, another big issue is cultural differences. We do have a sense of humor, it's just different than in other cultures because it is a product of a different culture. Simply put, what you might find incredibly funny is considered unfunny by Germans... and vice versa.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:38 AM)

It's actually a multi-faceted issue. Yes, some Germans are incredibly devoid of humor, although those people exist in other countries too. I have no ideas regarding statistics, but these people exist.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:37 AM)

So, about this long-standing stereotype that "Germans have no sense of humor"...

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 October 2018 - 03:49 AM)

I got enough Rand fighting my way through the Sword of Truth series. I can't imagine trying to read the original work.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 02:39 AM)

All the people who like Rand should go live in a big underwater city. I cannot foresee anything that could go wrong with such a scenario.

@  MidnightFox : (19 October 2018 - 01:13 AM)

Everyone needs to stop reading Rand

@  Tieria Prime : (18 October 2018 - 10:54 PM)

Gotten a new Gundam gunpla toy model kit 

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 October 2018 - 09:47 PM)

Ugh it's ridiculous how some people worship Rand's ideas.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 October 2018 - 09:07 PM)

That's one of the things the old cable companies got right: Only one or two options per area. The illusion of choice.

@  Paladin : (18 October 2018 - 08:48 PM)

business types need to stop reading Ayn Rand.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 October 2018 - 07:29 PM)

The streaming services are starting to get too saturated and start canabilising each other.

@  Steevy Maximus : (18 October 2018 - 06:50 PM)

Good thing I never bought into VRV...Funimation is pulling out. And I got into HiDive at $4 a month.

@  Echowarrior : (18 October 2018 - 10:21 AM)

The restauraunt messes up your food, you complain to customer service. Complain to 911 when you get food poisoning from said food.

@  MEDdMI : (18 October 2018 - 07:59 AM)

Ugh. I hate people sometimes.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2018 - 04:00 AM)

I mean, white people are calling the cops on black people for random shit lately, it appears.

@  Pennpenn : (18 October 2018 - 02:49 AM)

It's not that surprising that some people freaked out enough over Youtube being down that they'd call emergency services. I mean, I've heard of at least one instance of someone calling 911 because the restaurant didn't make a cheeseburger to their liking.


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 06:53 AM

This issue was released a week early through IDW's website, so discuss here! No spoilers for this issue outside of this thread, please.

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 07:20 AM

Spoiler

 

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 07:56 AM



What if God was one of us?
Just a psychiatrist on a bus?

Edited by Locoman, 02 August 2018 - 07:57 AM.

"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 11:02 AM

Uhhh, wow.

 

Assuming the Grand Architect isn't bullshitting everyone, the wiki sure is going to have a hell of a time managing these pages.

 

What a time to be alive.


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 11:21 AM

So if issue 25 is going to be an epilogue, that means Roberts has 2 issues to wrap this up. Yeah, this is gonna be rushed as hell.

 

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 11:41 AM

Nah. It'll be fine, the only major threat is a giant robot that they can't explode but has a convenient juicy middle filled with the 7 guys they need to kill to stop it. Easily do-able in a comic book, and frankly should be done as fast as possible since Roberts is better at character writing than at action.

This was a good issue precisely for that too. Very little bang bang, exposition that is actualy thrilling, good interaction between character's that hadn't spoken in a while. It was fun.

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 11:46 AM

I'm wondering if they'll have to murder the Functionist denizens, given the Magnificence's seeming insistence that that'll happen.

 

Incidentally, there's got to be some further reason for the omniscience. A tie to the Warren maybe? As I'm suspecting the Warren is key to a lot of things involving the Guiding Hand.


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 12:33 PM

This whole thing just... ruins Rung's character for me. Having a mysterious purpose for his alternate mode and origins is one thing, but having him be the most important character cosmologically is just... it's a bad idea for exactly the same reason Optimus actually being The Arisen is a bad idea.


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 12:43 PM

This whole thing just... ruins Rung's character for me. Having a mysterious purpose for his alternate mode and origins is one thing, but having him be the most important character cosmologically is just... it's a bad idea for exactly the same reason Optimus actually being The Arisen is a bad idea.

 

The difference though is that Rung up until now has been a VERY unimportant character in the history of the planet (as far as anyone knew) and kept to himself.

 

Optimus being the Arisen doesn't work because it removes the whole "lone bot rising up to defend against tyranny" narrative and replaces it with a "he was already special to begin with; he didn't earn his specialness but was already special." Rung on the other hand has none of the pre-established hero mythos to undo with a new revelation (and for that matter, it's actively been hinted at; there's enough clues in the annual/Remain in Light to hint at this but none of us put them together.)


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 12:53 PM

As I was saying on Discord, I think it's probably going to be more like a "Steven Universe/Pink Diamond" kind of deal, where they're not LITERALLY reincarnations of the characters, but they're carrying their... essences around, in some fashion?
"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 12:57 PM

As I was saying on Discord, I think it's probably going to be more like a "Steven Universe/Pink Diamond" kind of deal, where they're not LITERALLY reincarnations of the characters, but they're carrying their... essences around, in some fashion?

I don't think they're reincarnations. I'm assuming they're still the same incarnations and probably even the same bodies. They took efforts to remove themselves from the planet's history though and given all the rises and falls it was pretty easily for their appearance to become mythologized and idealized into that befitting of gods.

 

REALLY curious as to the Matrix now, though, now that we know Solomus isn't it (not to mention that never made sense anyway given it's capable of producing sparks). If anything I'd assume Rung created it given it's one big photonic crystal.


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 12:59 PM

Adaptus says that they don't remember who they are anymore, so, make of that what you will.
"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 01:11 PM

...So I'm kind of starting to think that yes, the Knights of Cybertron really were just Some Guys who died in space.
"You don't deserve to know", huh, Metroplex?

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 01:15 PM

It says a lot that James Roberts' self insert is the singular most important Cybertronian God.

 

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 01:18 PM

...So I'm kind of starting to think that yes, the Knights of Cybertron really were just Some Guys who died in space.
"You don't deserve to know", huh, Metroplex?


That actually works quite well if you look at it from an end-of-The-Dark-Knight "they deserve better than the truth" point of view?

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 02:49 PM

 

...So I'm kind of starting to think that yes, the Knights of Cybertron really were just Some Guys who died in space.
"You don't deserve to know", huh, Metroplex?


That actually works quite well if you look at it from an end-of-The-Dark-Knight "they deserve better than the truth" point of view?

 

Was just thinking the same thing.

 

Also, I'm curious if the Militant Monoform Movement goes back far further than we thought as an organization, and removes their cogs not because they're anti-transforming but anti-Adaptus' agenda.


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 02:58 PM

...So I'm kind of starting to think that yes, the Knights of Cybertron really were just Some Guys who died in space.
"You don't deserve to know", huh, Metroplex?


That actually works quite well if you look at it from an end-of-The-Dark-Knight "they deserve better than the truth" point of view?


See, I always imagined it might be "the Knights were terrible people and you're better off not knowing the truth", but I never considered it might be "the truth is just really, really boring".

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 03:56 PM

Another thing I'm really not fond of: Megatron becoming another James Roberts-Snarker™

 

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 07:03 PM

This issue also had the biggest example of Megatron Is Perfect and Too Good For This World yet when he has medical skills that save Drift from death after Ratchet and Velocity, the former of which is a genius in his field, had given up.

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