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@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2018 - 09:33 AM)

Yeah, but they are machines. Couldn't they just adjust their own memories for the lifespan? Do we even know how they store memories in the first place?

@  Otaku : (23 October 2018 - 09:12 AM)

Now, I'm not saying that Cybertronians ought to have human life-spans, just that "millions of years" is too long.  Though I suppose it makes the "Oh, I suddenly remembered [plot point]!" moments credible because where do you store all the memories in an easily accessed form?  If you do remember even most things clearly... might that not be maddening?

@  Otaku : (23 October 2018 - 09:09 AM)

The "millions of years old" thing is probably the most alien aspect of Cybertronians.  It pushes my suspension of disbelief for anything remotely human to live that long and still be sane, or maybe even functional.  I think of how aging has affected my own view and sure, some of it is biological maturation, but a lot of it is experience.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2018 - 07:11 AM)

But they don't really have a childhood either. They go online and all maturation is literally job experience.

@  Shrug : (23 October 2018 - 06:47 AM)

Well, they're practically immortal. That kind of lifespan doesn't exactly push growing up.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 October 2018 - 04:00 AM)

They can't handle physical scale, did you think temporal scale would fare any better?

@  Pennpenn : (23 October 2018 - 03:44 AM)

Maybe it's that they're functionally intelligent, but don't ever really mature much psychologically. That and presumably the original writers gave as much of a shit about deep time as they did about space geometry.

@  Whirl Maximus : (23 October 2018 - 02:03 AM)

I'm mixed about the millions of years thing, it's somewhat at odds when transformers are humanized as they often are.

@  TM2-Megatron : (22 October 2018 - 11:59 PM)

Are any of the Transformers terribly bright, really? This is a spacefaring civilization that's millions of years old that seem to be fighting a perpetual war for no particular reason. Transformers are stupider than humans

@  wonko the sane? : (22 October 2018 - 08:31 PM)

Depends on the machine. Are you recruiting them, or MAKING them?

@  Cybersnark : (22 October 2018 - 08:30 PM)

... And not terribly bright.

@  wonko the sane? : (22 October 2018 - 07:51 PM)

Makes sense for robot soldiers: you would want something fast, low profile, but lots of power.

@  Waspinator : (22 October 2018 - 06:31 PM)

If we go by the Prime cartoon, sports cars apparently ARE the expendable troop of choice.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 October 2018 - 04:29 PM)

Just fold 'em into a box and slap some wheels on it, they'll figure it out.

@  Pennpenn : (22 October 2018 - 01:57 AM)

Given that by the time we're up to in the story Functionalism had been dead for millions of years and many of the people around were made during and for the war, it's probably more likely that "sports car shaped thing" was an easy to make alt mode for expendable troops.

@  MEDdMI : (21 October 2018 - 09:52 PM)

maybe there's underground demolition derbies too

@  Locoman : (21 October 2018 - 09:25 PM)

Every single sports car was one of those two jobs? Considering how many there seem to be....

@  RichardT1977 : (21 October 2018 - 07:34 PM)

Athletic Entertainment

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 October 2018 - 03:32 PM)

It's mentioned in one issue that Bumblebee was a courier. The only other fast cars I can remember seeing in Functionist times were Blur and a couple of Stunticons, as racers.

@  SG Roadbuster : (21 October 2018 - 12:14 PM)

i figured the sports cars were either racers or couriers.

@  Nevermore : (21 October 2018 - 12:13 PM)

Upper Class. They're clearly not made for manual labor.

@  Locoman : (21 October 2018 - 12:09 PM)

Functionism only really makes sense for certain alternate modes like mining or construction equipment; where do things like sports cars fit in?

@  Xellos : (21 October 2018 - 11:51 AM)

At least in the movies they can switch to a (similar) alt mode at will, it seems. Especially if they want to sell more toys per movie.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2018 - 10:44 AM)

They are a race of adaptive machines. Maybe they were expected to change themselves to fit the role?

@  RichardT1977 : (21 October 2018 - 10:06 AM)

IDW-verse discrimination still made more sense than the backstory in TF: Exodus, where everyone's caste was assigned seemingly at random with no regard for their aptitudes (altmode or otherwise)

@  MEDdMI : (21 October 2018 - 07:55 AM)

Lost Light is good too, so far.

@  MEDdMI : (21 October 2018 - 07:54 AM)

I'm not terribly into Transformers in general, but I did mostly enjoy the More Than Meets The Eye series.

@  Nevermore : (21 October 2018 - 05:11 AM)

Which has been in the state constitution since 1946, but was never actually executed according to documents, and is currently not in effect because the German federal constitution, which takes priority over state constitution, has banned the death penalty back in 1949.

@  Nevermore : (21 October 2018 - 05:09 AM)

Huh. So next weekend, when the German state of Hesse will have its state election, there will also be a ballot about changing the state constitution... and one of the proposed changes will be abolishing the death penalty.

@  Waspinator : (21 October 2018 - 03:44 AM)

I really need to read those comics

@  Pennpenn : (21 October 2018 - 03:28 AM)

Up to and including the fact that certain alternate modes could end up being classified as "surplus to requirements" and systematically murdered.

@  Pennpenn : (21 October 2018 - 03:26 AM)

And in IDW comics where it is/was literally a form of apartheid where your alternate mode pretty much dictated how you were treated by society, what jobs you could pursue, pretty much everything.

@  Waspinator : (21 October 2018 - 02:24 AM)

We do get hints of that from time to time in Transformers, with stuff like some jets acting smug towards cars and whatnot.

@  RichardT1977 : (20 October 2018 - 08:10 PM)

"No shotgun of Mine is going to marry a rocket launcher" sounds like something that Targetmasters (or WFC Siege Micromasters) might say...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 08:06 PM)

The characters are actually kinda nice. Sure a bunch of them are from New Jersey, but you get a few aliens too.. But if you do that, you might want to go digital delux verisons.

@  Xellos : (20 October 2018 - 06:38 PM)

My only issue is that the aside from Fox, the looks of the characters are kinda bland. If anything, I'll at least get it on Black Friday, as they almost always have deals on the toys to life stuff.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 06:07 PM)

Well I can tell you, if you are going physical version because you want the toys. The Switch version has the best Ship mount as you just slide the joycons into it. The PS4 ship mount is wired. The game itself is very good in my opionion. In some ways it starts to turn into an RTS without being an RTS. You've got to start focus on keeping your planets from being taken back over. It has a LOT to do. It does have some repitive missions, because well, trying to let you level up all pilots and ships and such. The switch version -ALSO- has starfox only missions and the characters are incorporated into the story.

@  Xellos : (20 October 2018 - 06:03 PM)

How is Starlink anyways? Been thinking of getting the Switch version for StarFox, which is quite unusal for me, as I almost always pick the PS4 versions (favorite controller and I already have so many Trophys on it).

@  Waspinator : (20 October 2018 - 05:42 PM)

No shotgun of mine is going to marry a rocket launcher!

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 October 2018 - 05:22 PM)

Should they be allowed to marry outside of their own caliber?

@  Waspinator : (20 October 2018 - 05:18 PM)

I'm conflicted on the subject of marriage rights for shotguns.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 October 2018 - 03:24 PM)

You say, "Damn it, what do you think this is, a shotgun wedding?"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 October 2018 - 03:23 PM)

What do you do if someone wants to bring their concealed-carry to your American wedding?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 01:58 PM)

Benbot, I was streaming the PS4 version of Starlink

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 October 2018 - 01:25 PM)

Ergo their reporting will have its own slant on the facts as they choose, not the most neutral way possible.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 October 2018 - 01:24 PM)

I find it sad to realize that the prestigious New York Times which I trusted a lot as a kid in fact has its own editorial agenda.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 01:20 PM)

The end result is NOT that stupid bullshit gets equal coverage as reasonable arguments. That would be problematic in itself (the "false balance" bias), but the provlem is that the controversial stupid bullshit gets MORE coverage than the reasonable arguments.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 01:17 PM)

The media doesn't want to miss the opportunity to report on a controversy, and as a consequence makes sure that the controversial statements reach an audience.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 01:17 PM)

Because they realized that saying controversial shit is guaranteed to get coverage.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 01:16 PM)

It's the same here in Germany. Our right-wing moron party is still a political minority, yet they succeed in driving the topics the media keeps reporting.


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#1 Daith

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:05 PM

So I was going through a Rolling Stones article about Wizards of the Coast to see what the had about the coming Magic: The Gathering sets when they made mention of a Transformers TCG coming next September or October!

 

Artwork reminds me of that mobile crad game so it maybe some sort of physical release of it.



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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:14 PM

I'll probably pass. Would have been an auto-purchase if it had been LCG, but I'm so done with TCGs.



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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:40 PM

I will keep an open mind for it and wait and see what it looks like.


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:41 PM

Hope can play it online, only way I would find anyone to play with.



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Posted 27 December 2017 - 05:02 PM


If designed well I am 100% on board for this. Could be pretty cool if done with a cleverly designed system that makes the idea of Transforming actually a key part of the game.


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 05:14 PM

Just like every other TGC, only buying if the artwork is pretty!



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Posted 27 December 2017 - 06:05 PM

“All cards are two-sided, over-sized and feel bigger, weightier in your hand.”

 

If this means they won't fit in standard 9-pocket trading card sheets, I may not have any interest.  Assuming this *is* actually a trading card game and not one of those other card games, in which case I won't have much interest.

 

If it's an actual TF TCG/CCG, with theme decks and booster packs, then sure, bring it on.  The two-sided part really makes me think it's that other kind, though.

 

(Uh, what are those called?  There's a name.  Gotta have a name.)



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Posted 27 December 2017 - 06:27 PM

 

“All cards are two-sided, over-sized and feel bigger, weightier in your hand.”

 

If this means they won't fit in standard 9-pocket trading card sheets, I may not have any interest.  Assuming this *is* actually a trading card game and not one of those other card games, in which case I won't have much interest.

 

If it's an actual TF TCG/CCG, with theme decks and booster packs, then sure, bring it on.  The two-sided part really makes me think it's that other kind, though.

 

(Uh, what are those called?  There's a name.  Gotta have a name.)

 

 

Magic has had dual sided "transforming" cards for 5+ years now and they're not suddenly NOT a TCG. Dual sided cards don't really have anything to do with the format of sale.


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 04:51 AM

This could be terrible or utterly amazing. Fingers crossed.

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 11:47 PM

Hmm. I'm a bit worried about WotC handling it.

 

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My experience is that if it isn't Magic: The Gathering, they aren't likely to bring their "A" game.  My bias stems from having been a Pokémon TCG player, a Duel Masters TCG player, and a Kaijudo TCG player.  Yes, that third one was just a relaunch of the second one.  The real thing that made me edgy was their time with the Pokémon TCG.  The short answer is that, while they did a lot right with the Pokémon TCG, they got caught lying to players about stuff.  Some very unpopular decisions were blamed on the powers-that-be in Japan, but when WotC lost the license and said powers took a more active role in the game, all those decisions were reversed.  The big one being the 15+ age bracket being eliminated and those players being encouraged to help with judging and/or switch to MtG. >.>


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Posted 04 February 2018 - 04:53 AM

I just kicked my Yu-Gi-Oh addiction. Been clean for 2 years now..... this is gonna make me fall off the wagon.

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 09:38 AM

I just kicked my Yu-Gi-Oh addiction. Been clean for 2 years now..... this is gonna make me fall off the wagon.

 

Speaking of Yu-Gi-Oh, I figured splitting things into a "Main Deck" and an "Alt Deck" (for things like Alternate Modes, Combiners, etc.) would be the best approach to a Transformers TCG... or at least better than dual-sided cards.  Still trying to figure out how their proposal works... since we don't have details on the real game yet, the other upside of splitting things is that if space were limited in both decks, even "Action Masters" start to make sense.


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Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:06 AM

Who will join me? Who will become oversized, bigger, weightier in your hand?!

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 03:35 PM

 

I just kicked my Yu-Gi-Oh addiction. Been clean for 2 years now..... this is gonna make me fall off the wagon.

 

Speaking of Yu-Gi-Oh, I figured splitting things into a "Main Deck" and an "Alt Deck" (for things like Alternate Modes, Combiners, etc.) would be the best approach to a Transformers TCG... or at least better than dual-sided cards.  Still trying to figure out how their proposal works... since we don't have details on the real game yet, the other upside of splitting things is that if space were limited in both decks, even "Action Masters" start to make sense.

 

 

honestly, if i were to design a tf tcg from the ground up, i'd split each of the characters modes into individual cards. the game mechanic being that once you've assembled all of the modes, you can "summon" the character. and then balance the game accordingly. single mode characters would be weak. 2 modes would be the standard. six-ten changers would be devastatingly powerful to compensate for its investment.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:48 AM

So combiners = Exodia?



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 10:22 AM

Just give me my official D&D module.
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 11:45 AM

A module where all players start at level 20, but gradually become weaker as the campaign goes on.  Eventually, all the players are forced to introduce new characters to play and replace the ones who started the campaign.



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 12:05 PM

Just give me my official D&D module.

 

I'd rather it was a GURPS supplement. ;)


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Posted 25 April 2018 - 10:55 PM

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Posted 25 April 2018 - 11:07 PM

Will be very interested to get an idea of what the cards are like. 


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