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@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM)

Either way, I'd stick to the definitions of the people who actually work in the field and know what they're talking about over incredibly loose unhelpful ones 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

Which fossils and genetic sequencing proved were quite different from wolves as we know them. Which is kind of the point, since while domesticated organisms changed genetically, so have their wild counterparts.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

I mean, even more extreme would be to ask if cows would turn back into aurochs. They'd go feral or exitinct, but they wouldn't revert.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Don't be ridiculous. The domesticated dog wasn't derived from the modern wolf. Both descended from a common ancestor

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Then they are still Geneticly modified. ;P I mean hell, in a lot of cases, there is very little difference between removing a gene and making it dormant. Anyways. Gotta run, stuff to do right now. Have fun.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:32 AM)

The ones that survived would be more wolf like, but they wouldn't be wolves. And in a lot of cases without human intervention most of the heavily modified animals and plants wouldn't survive a "few generations".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM)

Are you saying, given a few years (relativily speaking) of no humans, dogs will return to wolves?

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:30 AM)

Within a few generations without human intervention, the same traits resurface. because again, the genes aren't changed. Only the population.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:28 AM)

The genes for those traits are still present though. You're not manipulating the genotype, rather than the phenotype of the population.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:26 AM)

The fact that it's a more indirect method compared to, say, CRISPR is irrelevant.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Selective breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, since you're restricting or eliminating unfavored genetic patterns from being expressed in the target organisms.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

As it should be... People whine about GMO, but most of it is because they don't understand that biotech is usually just a faster way of doing the exact same thing thousands of years of crossbreading does.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

You can call it whatever you like, but again, that definition is so wide as to be worthless and few people would agree with the definition.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

The commonly accepted definition of "genetic modification" by the scientific community involves biotechnology and direct manipulation of genetic material

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:13 AM)

But.. While slower.. That's -exactly- what crossbreeding is.. Genetic modification.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:02 AM)

Which is patently ridiculous. They didn't modify the genetic makeup of these organisms; just manipulated the odds of traits deemed as favorable being expressed. 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 07:53 AM)

By that definition, literally everything that humans have domesticated is a GMO.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 07:44 AM)

Why? It's completely geneticly modified to be almost completely distinct from what a real banana is.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:52 AM)

By looser definitions of GMO. So loose as to be worthless pretty much.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 06:35 AM)

So.. All banannas that anyone eats.. organic or not.. is a GMO..

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 06:23 AM)

Aren't they usually called palatains? But yeah, the only reason those cultivars survive at all is because of humans.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

That said, there are still wild banana plants which do reproduce sexually. If you don't mind gigantic seeds in them.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

This makes them highly susceptible to disease due to the stagnant genetic pool and inability to adapt.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:15 AM)

The domesticated kind reproduced asexually, meaning that the ones present today have the genetics of the same banana plants circa whenever bananas were domesticated

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2019 - 04:53 AM)

Why would they be?

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 04:07 AM)

Shouldn't banana's be extinct now?

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:38 PM)

:p You leave my male harem alone.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 11:27 PM)

Yeah, but unfortunately, it was Fire Emblem Fates.

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Fire Emblem Fates didn't force the gay pairings to have kids, not even for adoption. Granted, there were only 2 canon gay/bi options amoungst a sea of hetero, but still.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:27 PM)

It pissed off more people than usual since when the game was getting hyped much was made that you could have your character be gay as the first of May, and also the fact that the achievement for that event in the DLC was called "Growing Up"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 10:19 PM)

Never played the game, but that works as well! Textbook mindless natalism.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:15 PM)

Huh, I figured you were talking about that Assassins Creed Oddessy DLC that forces your character to have a kid regardless of your choices, previous behaviour, or current situation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM)

Some context: I am bemoaning the fact that Modern Family is currently demonstrating why it should have already ended. Because not only it is making its annoying characters even worse, but Haley's storyline is taking her in a direction I hate.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:08 PM)

So when a lazy cop-out in the story happens, I'm going to object to the shoehorning.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM)

I think you misunderstand me. History is rife with instances wherein having children turned out not to be the right decision, and people with normal intelligence saw it coming. So people like myself find it infurating when television writers broadly pretend this doesn't happen.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:02 PM)

So it's not weird that it shows up in a lot of fiction. Since it shows up in a lot of nonfiction.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:01 PM)

But you know, like... the majority of people do it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:49 PM)

And no characters call out this course of action for the stupidity it is. Believe it or not, not everyone is cut out to have kids, and having children is not an extraordinary life accomplishment.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:48 PM)

Yup. Like writers knocking up a (usually female) character for no good reason, often when said character has not previously expressed the desire for children, or children would heavily set back their life plans, or the other biological parent is not a good relationship partner.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM)

I mean, there's more to it, and varying levels of related concepts and blah blah blah, but I'm not gonna go further in the shoutbox.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM)

It's the "everyone's gotta make babies" school of thought. It varies but in media it manifests as "all characters end up married with kids or dead". For contrast an anti-natalist concept would be China's One Child policy.

@  Locoman : (22 January 2019 - 06:28 PM)

.... pro-natalist?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Pro-natalist clichés in fiction are overrated. But no Hollywood writer can come up with new ideas. Argh.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 10:05 AM)

How does the giant gimmicky Bumblebee toy have such an incredible leg transformation compared to the MPM

@  lastmaximal : (22 January 2019 - 09:27 AM)

I mean it's Vigo. We are like the buzzing of flies to him.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 05:51 AM)

Perfectly. His talent is only surpassed by Tommy Wiseau

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2019 - 04:57 AM)

How well he can play them is another story.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 04:34 AM)

Blasphemy. Nicolas Cage can play anybody.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 03:34 AM)

I'm just glad we're in a timeline where Nicolas Cage was too busy to play Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. As much as I may like Cage, there was no way he could have done that and Viggo was infintely better for the part.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 02:30 AM)

I want to see the timeline where Nicolas Cage was cast as Iron Man


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#1 Teufel

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 08:47 PM



I was pretty excited about this until I saw the January release date. Isn't that where studios send movies off to die a cold, miserable death? :doh
 
I still haven't seen Split, but that's a dynamite trio and I absolutely loooooooved Unbreakable so good or bad I'm seeing this.

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 21 July 2018 - 01:03 AM.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 08:59 PM

The whole idea of "dead zones" is kind of an antiquated idea.  If the quality is there, it will likely find an audience and success.  Besides, January is largely ignored by that mentality, meaning Glass might got the most exposure for the month.

 

Also:

WAY more hype than for anything DC is apt to fart out for a while...


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:08 PM

So two things. ONE. Im very hype. I loved Unbreakable and while I havent seen Split yet, Ive only heard good things.

But TWO...this is Modern Shyamalan were talking about.

So Im cautiously hype.

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:17 PM

I screwed up the topic title, should just be Glass. I don't see how to edit that, assuming I can't? If not thanks to any mod who wanders in here if you could fix that for me then delete this post. ;)



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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:20 PM

huh I didn't even know Split existed... So I guess I need to watch that. I loved Unbreakable and have been looking forward to this thinking it was a direct sequel and not part 3.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:26 PM

The whole idea of "dead zones" is kind of an antiquated idea.  If the quality is there, it will likely find an audience and success.  Besides, January is largely ignored by that mentality, meaning Glass might got the most exposure for the month.

 

Also:

WAY more hype than for anything DC is apt to fart out for a while...

Yeah, February is typically pretty "dead" too, but Deadpool 1 and Black Panther were able to milk it pretty damn well without any competition.

 

If it is a good movie, sometimes it is better to come out at those times.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 10:16 PM

January might be playing it smart in a market dominated by super hero films.

 

Regardless, I'm excited.


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Posted 21 July 2018 - 12:23 AM

looks like it'll be fun 



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Posted 21 July 2018 - 12:57 AM

I screwed up the topic title, should just be Glass. I don't see how to edit that, assuming I can't? If not thanks to any mod who wanders in here if you could fix that for me then delete this post. ;)


Press edit on the first post, then choose "use full editor". Or use the "edit" button to open a new tab. There should be a title bar.

I think.

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Posted 21 July 2018 - 08:23 AM

I mean...I liked Unbreakable fine.  I was intrigued by Split being a surprise sequel.  But is there any reason to think this movie will be good?  I mean...certainly not in the totally empty trailer, but maybe there is some reason somewhere else?



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Posted 21 July 2018 - 08:46 AM

Well, it's got McAvoy, Jackson, and Willis...three really good actors attached to the project and two of them who have been interested in a direct follow up of Unbreakable for 18 years. Not saying it couldn't be bad (I see the Shyamalan twist of this film already from the trailer), but it's got the talent not to be. The fact that this winding path of production has resulted in an accidental superhero shared universe in which our first real super power fight happens in the third installment also makes it stand out from the pack.


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Posted 21 July 2018 - 08:53 AM

Glass is being treated for thinking he is a superhero and his only power is that he is really smart, right?



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Posted 21 July 2018 - 08:57 AM

Nah. Glass' deal was covered in Unbreakable.

 

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Posted 21 July 2018 - 06:32 PM

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Posted 21 July 2018 - 06:37 PM

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Posted 21 July 2018 - 06:42 PM

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Posted 21 July 2018 - 06:42 PM

Exactly. That was the whole point to Unbreakable. Glass operated off the idea that if he's so brittle, then obviously there's someone out there who is nigh indestructible. It's what lead him to cause all those horrific accidents that ultimately lead him to Willis' character.

 

While Glass' condition is medically known, Willis' condition wasn't. Even Willis' character wasn't aware of the possibility, despite having a lifetime of experiences prior to meeting Glass (Including a major auto accident where he ripped off a car door). Same with The Horde (McAvoy's character - I wikied it). His multiple personalities are a known, medically accepted condition. The fact one of those personalities turns him into a super powered monster wasn't.

 

It's internally consistent logic for the setting, that yes make Glass a super individual for this setting. Glass has never shied away from the fact he's a Villain. Says so right in the trailer to the Beast "Sounds like the bad guys teaming up."

 

Samuel L. Jackson's Mr. Glass is one of the most compelling super villains that has never been put to comic format. So yeah, he belongs in that group - especially since it was Willis' interactions with him that pulled Willis into the "delusion".


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Posted 22 July 2018 - 01:51 PM

What a supervillain is is a little hazy.  If they do crimes always involving riddles or they are an alien monster with eyebeams it seems really clear.  Mr Glass is just a mass criminal.  Was Osama bin Laden a supervillain?  Nicholas Cruz?

 

What is Glass' delusion?  He really made train crashes and stuff.  If that makes you a supervillain, he isn't having a delusion of being a supervillain.



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Posted 22 July 2018 - 01:57 PM

Glass' delusion was that he HAD to have an opposite - someone who never broke - that lead him to kill all those people. Heck, he's likely the psychiatrist's "alpha patient", since Glass has been committed to a asylum since his incarceration.

 

As for being brittle not making one super powered...neither does being rich. Didn't stop Obadiah Stane or Lex Luthor from being accepted into that club.


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Posted 22 July 2018 - 03:20 PM

Getting in a big robot suit to kill people seems like something that could count.





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