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@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P


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#81 Noideaforaname

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 05:43 PM

.........
.........
... fine, "meatspace" then

#82 Ironbite

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 06:16 PM

 

Can you imagine if this was applied to the real world?

"Remember that joke you made years and years ago?"
"...no?"
"Well that weirdo everybody ignores does, and he tattled to your boss and now they're firing you!"
"Ha ha"
"No seriously, here's your pink slip."


This is the real world. He really doesnt have a job any more.

 

 

Oh....oh my god.

 

Ironbite-the point flew over your head twice.


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Posted 28 August 2018 - 07:10 PM

.........
.........
... fine, "meatspace" then


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Posted 28 August 2018 - 07:38 PM

 

Can you imagine if this was applied to the real world?

"Remember that joke you made years and years ago?"
"...no?"
"Well that weirdo everybody ignores does, and he tattled to your boss and now they're firing you!"
"Ha ha"
"No seriously, here's your pink slip."

This is the real world. He really doesnt have a job any more.
 
 
Oh....oh my god.
 
Ironbite-the point flew over your head twice.

No, I got it. I just dont agree.

Compare a famous Director to a regular 9 to 5.

And even then, ppl with regular 9 to 5s who get exposed on social media risk losing their job too. I just had a training at work about this.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 05:07 PM

Make that three times now.  Just...wow.

 

Ironbite-how does that happen?


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 07:21 PM

Make that three times now.  Just...wow.
 
Ironbite-how does that happen?


Youre one of those ppl, that based on how you consistently post, your opinion means nothing to me.

All you can in this thread is RJNDIENSINSKSJSKND and wow...just wow man. All in defense of a man who made pedophile statements as terrible jokes.

I identify as liberal, I dont like %99 of conservatives, but I dont care who exposed what, if you said it, you said it.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:04 PM

And he apologized for it, made amends for it, and has grown from it.  Do you not see how stupid the above situation is?  And let's not forget, this was an attack by the right wing because Gunn doesn't worship the ground Donald Trump pollutes on.  Keep in mind that these statements were known about when Gunn was hired by Disney for Vol. 1.  Keep in mind that that was brought up by the liberal wings and you know what happened?  Gunn addressed it and apologized for it.  What Disney has done is basically said that the voices of Neo-Nazis is more important to them.  That's a dangerous precedent to set man.  

 

Ironbite-but then you've had the point sail over your head three times now so....


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 10:25 PM

And he apologized for it, made amends for it, and has grown from it.  Do you not see how stupid the above situation is?  And let's not forget, this was an attack by the right wing because Gunn doesn't worship the ground Donald Trump pollutes on.  Keep in mind that these statements were known about when Gunn was hired by Disney for Vol. 1.  Keep in mind that that was brought up by the liberal wings and you know what happened?  Gunn addressed it and apologized for it.  What Disney has done is basically said that the voices of Neo-Nazis is more important to them.  That's a dangerous precedent to set man.  
 
Ironbite-but then you've had the point sail over your head three times now so....

Unless Im mistaken, the offensive comments he apologized for already were different ones

LINK: https://www.google.c...sly-apologized/

Disney firing James Gunn isnt letting the Neo-Nazis win, its saying theyre a kids company and they dont want to be associated with those statements.

Dude was a grown ass man when he made those statements. LOL at grown from it...I find those statements abhorrent and I wonder what kind of bubble you have to live in to even consider saying that around your friends, much less on a personal platform.

When this happened on twitter, I went what a world we live in. How polarized do we have to be as a society that making those statements has to be a political issue.

Im not Republican, not a Neo-Nazi and those statements were tremendously creepy. And I was surprised at ppl saying hey, they were just bad jokes when they really didnt come off that way at all.

Im trying to keep it respectful because I know the mods will swoop in as soon as I say something even though youve been troll baiting this whole thread, but you need to chill out.

i wouldnt defend my own family if they made those statements. Id be like uh, yeah thats messed up, I dont know what the hell they were on.

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#89 Ironbite

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Posted 30 August 2018 - 08:16 AM

Well I can see there's no getting through to you.

 

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Posted 30 August 2018 - 03:29 PM

So apparently for some people you stop 'growing' as a person at a certain age. I keep seeing 'Was a grown man' thrown about.

 

You know three years ago or so when Fatal Frame V was announced to be digital only I called Nintendo incompetent fools that didn't want my money. Later I realized that no, while it sucks Fatal Frame isn't a big series in America, and the fact we got it at all was frankly more then I could hope for. I feel like a fool for thinking how I did back then.

 

That's kinda the thing here. Someone made a mistake and realized it. From everything I've read or heard they feel awful that such a thing ever happened in their life, but well it did. They can't change it, only work to make sure they never do such a stupid thing again. Which from also what I've heard, they've been doing a good job at.

 

But no, I guess to some there is no redemption. You make one mistake, say one stupid thing in your past, and that's it.

 

Those people are the ones who need to 'chill out'

 

I'm with those who think Gunn shouldn't have been fired. Clearly he knows how terrible what he said was, and wants to change into a better person. I think we should you know ENCOURAGE THAT, rather then punish it.

 

After all, everyone of us here has said something stupid in the past that one could call us out for. I don't see any benefit in doing so though.


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Posted 30 August 2018 - 03:41 PM

Change, redemption, second-chances, forgiveness? BAH! That shit is for suckers, evidently.


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Posted 30 August 2018 - 03:50 PM

Whether or not he changed doesn't matter at all.  All that matters is brand perception.  If people see the words "James Gunn" associated with the word "pedophile" and also the words "Disney" and "Marvel" then it negatively impacts the perception of the brand to the general public who doesn't give a damn what he said, when he said it, or how bad he feels about it.  All they care about is they saw the word "pedophile." And that's bad for making money.  No one will ever describe movie making better than Michael Eisner did.  They have no obligation to make history. They have no obligation to make art. They have no obligation to make a statement. To make money is the only objective. 


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Posted 30 August 2018 - 04:29 PM

So apparently for some people you stop 'growing' as a person at a certain age. I keep seeing 'Was a grown man' thrown about.
 
You know three years ago or so when Fatal Frame V was announced to be digital only I called Nintendo incompetent fools that didn't want my money. Later I realized that no, while it sucks Fatal Frame isn't a big series in America, and the fact we got it at all was frankly more then I could hope for. I feel like a fool for thinking how I did back then.
 
That's kinda the thing here. Someone made a mistake and realized it. From everything I've read or heard they feel awful that such a thing ever happened in their life, but well it did. They can't change it, only work to make sure they never do such a stupid thing again. Which from also what I've heard, they've been doing a good job at.
 
But no, I guess to some there is no redemption. You make one mistake, say one stupid thing in your past, and that's it.
 
Those people are the ones who need to 'chill out'
 
I'm with those who think Gunn shouldn't have been fired. Clearly he knows how terrible what he said was, and wants to change into a better person. I think we should you know ENCOURAGE THAT, rather then punish it.
 
After all, everyone of us here has said something stupid in the past that one could call us out for. I don't see any benefit in doing so though.

Just because you apologize and you did something years ago doesnt mean you shouldnt have to face consequences for your actions.

People crying but he apologized are the definition of entitlement.

And if I did something on that level of stupid, I would expect to take the hit.

Edited by Johnny Here, 30 August 2018 - 04:30 PM.


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Posted 30 August 2018 - 05:28 PM

I think this thread needs to take a chill pill, let's all think on that.

 

Everyone has done or said things in their past that they're now ashamed of or would not choose to repeat today. Some of those people have apologised and tried to make amends. Some haven't. There's a fundamental question here about whether the concept of forgiveness can exist, and where we draw the lines if it can. 

 

I suspect that Disney ultimately takes a bigger hit in losing Gunn, and the goodwill of many fans and huge movie stars, than they would by saying "we agree Gunn said stupid things but that was a long time ago and he has moved beyond that so we will not appease the vindictive nutjobs who are transparently victimising him".

 

And it's blatantly obvious that there are people Disney has been happy to work with who have done much worse than Gunn. 

 

He made some extremely offensive jokes. I don't condone them at all. But if we're going to write people off forever even years after they've apologised and tried to be better, what do we have left in the end? Who can escape a blacklist that unforgiving? Is every human being really frozen forever at their worst? Is there no hope that people can grow and evolve and improve? That's a damn sad way to look at life. 


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Posted 30 August 2018 - 06:39 PM

Yeah Johnny, I've dealt with some stupid entitled people at my old job, and thanks to poor management, there were days I'd get so frustrated I'd lash out at them.

 

Should I be fired or written up now for something dumb I said six years ago? "Hey a friend of mine once took the last soda in my fridge about five years ago. Better make him pay for it today!"

I find your argument silly. Look dude, no one here is on your side okay? We don't agree with you. Accept that and let it go.


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Posted 30 August 2018 - 07:06 PM

Yeah Johnny, I've dealt with some stupid entitled people at my old job, and thanks to poor management, there were days I'd get so frustrated I'd lash out at them.
 
Should I be fired or written up now for something dumb I said six years ago? "Hey a friend of mine once took the last soda in my fridge about five years ago. Better make him pay for it today!"

I find your argument silly. Look dude, no one here is on your side okay? We don't agree with you. Accept that and let it go.

Im just posting like everyone else. I havent been disrespectful.

And if youre a public figure, who says something MASSIVELY against the companies values, then yes, you should expect be fired. People get fired for less every day.

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Posted 30 August 2018 - 07:40 PM

http://ew.com/movies...he-galaxy-films
 
Response from Gunn.


...I make jokes like that or worse ALL THE TIME. This is pathetic.

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 06:41 AM

He could have told those jokes yesterday, and I'd still think it was wrong to fire him. Not because I care about the quality of Marvel films or about his career, but because it's just jokes, and because capitulating to an unrepentant rapist piece of shit like Cernovich is wrong in just about any way you care to debate.



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 08:46 AM

 

And if youre a public figure, who says something MASSIVELY against the companies values, then yes, you should expect be fired.

 

 

that'll be news to Johnny Depp then...


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 08:58 AM

Yeah Johnny, I've dealt with some stupid entitled people at my old job, and thanks to poor management, there were days I'd get so frustrated I'd lash out at them.
 
Should I be fired or written up now for something dumb I said six years ago? "Hey a friend of mine once took the last soda in my fridge about five years ago. Better make him pay for it today!"

I find your argument silly. Look dude, no one here is on your side okay? We don't agree with you. Accept that and let it go.


Uh, I'm on his side. Mostly.

I love guns movies. Have since Slither. His tweets were not funny, but I don't condem any comedian for making a joke that may be too "offensive".

That said if you can't see this is a reasonable, if not smart move on Disneys part you have blinders on. I think the largest amount of backlash comes from this being "what the alt right/nazis wanted" if the "SJW left" hadexposed him for rape jokes I think he would have far less support.

If you have a very public employee, working for your very family targeted company that is currently making big news, right now, for publicly expresing very non family friendly things you need to get rid of them. This is not Disney bowing to them, this is them finally getting a check mate with one of there stupid goofy back lash attempts.

I assure you if the Papa John incident was the same except the public found out it happened 10 years ago, that guy would still be gone.


Also the shouting down of hare for expressing a perfectly reasonable opinion, while tame for other boards, is really off putting and out of character for the Allspark, especially outside of P&R.
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