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@  Dekafox : (19 February 2020 - 06:14 PM)

Count Zero?

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 February 2020 - 03:53 PM)

Oh boy, here we go.

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:34 PM)

Or do Japan's cultural values vary depending on exactly who you're trying to shut down?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:33 PM)

Could it be that, perhaps, these different cultural values might lead to a different approach seeming appropriate?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Hm. Back when we were arguing about the Legends comic, I seem to recall being repeatedly told that Japan had different cultural values than the US (and therefore anyone who had a problem with anything at all was wrong to voice that opinion ever).

@  fourteenwings : (19 February 2020 - 07:23 AM)

Plus, as much as I hate to admit it, every single anime character is built to suit the audience's tastes so they buy more merch/do other things that allow $$$ to flow in the production committees direction, so the authenticity is certainly not for representation's sake.

@  fourteenwings : (19 February 2020 - 07:18 AM)

Both those anime air at midnight and are aimed at a very specific audience in a whole other media landscape. Major projects have press releases about almost everything, and there are groups just waiting to pat anybody on the back for doing what they want (GLAAD, HRC, etc)

@  B-Fox : (19 February 2020 - 03:16 AM)

It's funny that a friggin' anime about zombie idols and an anime about a school of anthropomorphic animals can have really positive trans characters WITHOUT a press release about their inclusion in the series prior to the episodes airing or having the creators announcing it on social media and patting themselves on the back for doing a thing.

@  TriBlurr : (18 February 2020 - 10:26 PM)

Vegan meat needs bacon

@  Paladin : (18 February 2020 - 08:43 PM)

vegan meat must taste delicious. they're grass-fed and regularly exercised....

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Vegans are better than kids if you don't talk to them. They'll keep the lawn trimmed anyway.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Do you want vegans? Because that's how you get vegans.

@  CORVUS : (18 February 2020 - 04:33 PM)

Hook up your sprinkler system to a canister of healthy organic carrot-juice. The kids won't be able to get off your lawn fast enough.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2020 - 03:59 PM)

Just use the hose.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 03:52 PM)

Ask bing. It'll be a FAR more effective answer.

@  TrnsfrmGod : (18 February 2020 - 03:26 PM)

Google, how do I get those durned kids off my lawn?

@  TrnsfrmGod : (18 February 2020 - 03:26 PM)

Please ignore.  Old man here apparently doesn't know the difference between the "Search" field and the "Shoutbox" field.


Also doesn't know how to delete from the shoutbox

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 07:33 AM)

Huhn. Penny arcade was right, the division 2 is literally 3 dollars...

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 11:05 PM)

Oh, Wicked Cool Toys got the Halo toy license. This is a big year for Jazwares

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 07:02 PM)

iTunes/Apple TV has the complete Cowboy Bebop series for just $5!

@  fourteenwings : (17 February 2020 - 12:41 AM)

The Samsung Galaxy B-TOOM!

@  Paladin : (16 February 2020 - 07:20 PM)

business is booming.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 February 2020 - 06:49 PM)

SAmsung has you covered. Exploding phones.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Modern problems require modern solutions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Japan seems to have a tradition of murder things where cellphones facilitate the killing instead. Like King's Game and Doubt.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 05:17 PM)

Or there's just conveniently no reception, or all of their phones are dead at the same time. Or they're just stupid and forget about them.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 04:41 PM)

Now the slasher villain has to go and knock over the nearest cell tower before butchering horny teenagers.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 03:54 PM)

Think of all the horror and mystery movies that involve the bad guys cutting the phone line. Now think about how many people don't even have a land line to cut anymore.

@  Telly : (16 February 2020 - 03:47 PM)

its like that scene in commando. the bad guy has to get to a phone to call the big bad to tell him arnold isnt on the plane. that wouldnt happen today

@  Rycochet : (16 February 2020 - 03:18 PM)

Watching early episodes of the x-files will make you feel super old once you start to notice the techology they use, and the technology they lack.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 February 2020 - 01:00 PM)

This guy.

@  Roddie Luver : (15 February 2020 - 10:55 PM)


@  Kalidor : (14 February 2020 - 03:01 PM)

The ones that get me are the "Uploaded 12 years ago" ones

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 02:49 PM)

Makes you feel old, don't it?

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 February 2020 - 02:38 PM)

While browsing Youtube vids I read these comments: 'The X Files is such an underrated show' and another 'Brent Spiner is a underrated actor' I want to punch something.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:16 PM)

Besides: cupid freaks me out. "Find someone to love, or I'll SHOOT YOU".

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 12:11 PM)

It's just the day before Cheap Chocolate Day.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:08 PM)

Meh, just more game time.

@  Paladin : (14 February 2020 - 10:55 AM)

Valentine's day. Bummer.

@  Otaku : (14 February 2020 - 10:41 AM)

So is that an occasion for congratulations or condolences, Telly?  I see it as a good thing, but that is a matter of personal preference; easier for me to keep straight who is who when the names don't change. XP

@  Telly : (14 February 2020 - 12:48 AM)

damn. ive been going by "telly" on here for nearly 14 years...

@  TM2-Megatron : (11 February 2020 - 08:06 PM)

I've seen it. It didn't really deliver on the title

@  Paladin : (11 February 2020 - 05:28 PM)

we don't need to see that. we're living it.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 February 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Anyone seen an old British movie called 'The Earth dies screaming' it's like a Doctor Who serial minus the Doctor.

@  TriBlurr : (09 February 2020 - 11:58 AM)

Needs more zone defense. Call Scrapper

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 February 2020 - 11:29 AM)


@  Donocropolis : (09 February 2020 - 09:33 AM)

MP-7 Thundercracker recovers....he's at the 40....the 20....AND HE SCORES!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (08 February 2020 - 10:37 PM)

Reserved for Masterpiece Kup.

@  Sabrblade : (08 February 2020 - 09:49 PM)

MP-10 Convoy redecoed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 February 2020 - 06:56 AM)

MP-9 Rodimus self-destructed.

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Star Wars General Discussion - What will the future of the franchise look like?

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#281 Steevy Maximus

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 11:18 AM

Maybe I'm poorly remembering my early EU, but it wasn't exactly a "and the heroes lived happily ever after" story either.  They got, what, 5 years before Thrawn showed up? Then Luke starts the Academy on Yavin IV, has a student decide to murder a bunch of people, and then gets stuck in a weird force coma with Exar Kun.  That's not including stuff I've forgotten or the arrival of the Vong which murderized a good chunk of the galaxy (I think - I had dropped out by then). 


It wasn't exactly a happy universe.


It also didn't give us Luke Force-Haunting his Nephew, which better be a thing, Disney. It better


Let's see how much I remember:

The DAY AFTER the Battle of Endor, Luke leads a Rebellion/New Republic Fleet from an invasion from a race that sucked the force out of people to fuel their technology.


Couple years in, there was the Rogue Squadron stuff, but it steered clear of the "main people". 


Five years in, you get Thrawn. 

Next year is Dark Empire, with Palpatine returning in a clone body and Luke dabbling in the dark side

Next year is Jedi Academy.

After that is a couple MORE instances of Palpatine trying to return and possess Leia and Han's third child.


Then the Vong come and kill a bunch including Anakin Solo and Chewbacca.

Then Jacen Solo (Han and Leia's son) falls to the dark side after that conflict and murders Luke Skywalker's wife.  I kind of forget how it goes, but he ends up killed before he can establish his new empire.


Shit happens in life, especially for people so famous and instrumental to the direction of the galaxy.  Frankly, between the two, it's like how people complained that Beast Machines wasn't a "proper" sequel because it took characters in a direction fans didn't want them to.

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 12:07 PM

The Vong War canonically killed something like 14 trillion people, yet in the combined totality of 25 years of the EU the only "real" character who ever died was the unimportant and inhuman Chewbacca (yeah I said it, come at me). Now THAT, to me, is nihilism. No-stakes nobodies phoning it in against the threat of the week.

The ST was brave enough to show audiences what really happens when your life peaks at age 24.

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 12:31 PM

There's also a long run of YA books between Jedi Academy and NJO, in which Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando were happily settled into their adult lives while the younger generation got their formative adventures.

Also a scattering of smaller-scale "villain-of-the-year" novels involving Imperial warlords, scavenged superweapons, interstellar treasure hunts, small-scale wars between the Republic and neighbouring powers, and the gradual shrinking of the Imperial Remnant into an isolationist backwater.

Really, the EU didn't totally go grimdark until NJO, and I maintain that someone at the editorial level clearly conceived of NJO as a sort of "series finale" for the EU (anticipating a reboot driven by 90s Prequel-mania), then ended up having to "walk it back" when it became clear the EU wasn't ending.

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 01:36 PM

I don't think it was perfect but I'd take the old EU over the ST. It just makes more sense to say Endor was a critical victory for the rebels but they had to continue fighting Imperial remnants, balance shifting over the years. Meanwhile they made new friends, encountered new enemies, Luke continued to rebuild the Jedi and in time a new generation of heroes emerged.


That to me beats the pants off 'They founded a New Republic, completely forgot how the old one fell, Imperial loyalists slowly rebuilt their power, the new Jedi barely lasted and everything went to shit.'


Like I get the backstory for how the First Order emerged matches how the far right emerged in reality but...again, I don't come to Star Wars for a depressing 'true to life' story. Same reason I raise an eyebrow at Disney trying to insert real world gender politics. I come to Star Wars for escapist space swashbuckling. Brave heroes of all genders, evil villains, space battles, laser swords, etc.

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 03:41 PM

They could have borrowed the best elements from the EU to create a new story.  For all the garbage there were a lot of great stories--that's what I wanted from the sequel trilogy.  Build on what came before instead of pitching it into a bonfire and killing anything that remained.  

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 04:00 PM

I think what could have worked is something kind of a cross between the ST and the Thrawn trilogy.


It's been 30 years since the Battle of Endor and the deaths of Sidious and Vader. A New Republic was formed though the Imperial remnants continued on, holding several planets in a stalemate war. Luke founded a new Jedi order which has intervened in small scale conflicts but has stayed out of politics partly due to Luke wanting to learn from the fall of the old Jedi.


From out of nowhere, a new mastermind emerges to lead the the Imperial remnants. This figure unites the tattered forces and launches a blistering hit and run campaign against the Republic


A new war needs new heroes. With the galaxy once again in peril, hope comes to rest on a junker girl from Jakku, a fugitive former stormtrooper and an emerging ace pilot of the Republic military.

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 05:09 PM

I like that.



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Posted 28 February 2019 - 07:14 PM

One theme that I'd love to see as an overarching motif is the difference between "peace and justice" (as the Jedi serve, per Obi-Wan) and "law and order" (as all governments must serve, be they Republic or Empire). Law is not necessarily justice, and order is not necessarily peace, and Leia (the Senator), Han (the smuggler), and Luke (the Jedi) would each have very strong opinions on the subject --there's your wedge issue to drive between Han & Leia.

The raw material is already there in the Sequel Trilogy's makeup; the smaller, leaner New Republic lacking the resources to serve the Outer Rim, the First Order stepping in to "protect" people from roving bands of pirates and rogue nations --people (as we see in Resistance) eagerly embrace oppression because they think it means safety.

Maybe have the Resistance headed by Lando, as a sort of mirror-image of the First Order, both providing protection to those the Republic can't serve (for a modest fee, of course, because Lando).

Luke's Jedi are in isolation (Aich-to isn't a hermitage, it's the hidden Jedi Academy), Luke having experienced a (Prequel-inspired) epiphany; that the Jedi cannot be tied to any government for fear of becoming pawns as they did in the Old Republic. Luke's Jedi are not generals or diplomats, but wandering Kwai Chang Caine-like do-gooders, and there aren't more than a dozen or so across the whole galaxy.

That's how Kylo Ren ended up with the First Order --no one realizes that it's Ben under the mask, having gone rogue after buying into Snoke's rhetoric about bringing order to the galaxy.

The first movie is about Lando and Leia trying and failing to get the Republic to intervene; Lando convinces Han, Han convinces Leia, and Leia. . . finally comes up against a force that she can't move through shear force of will. Meanwhile, Lando's newest protege, a renegade stormtrooper, and a scavenger discover that there's a Dark Jedi running the First Order. Maybe Maz Kanata can be one of Luke's Jedi, who brings Rey with her to Luke's Academy, while Poe and Finn team up with Leia's volunteers to destroy the Starkiller.

The second movie is mainly about Rey on Aich-to, and Ben returning and having his final confrontation with his master as he reveals his dual identity and tries to recruit the other Jedi. Those who won't join him perish in fire, and Luke gets to have his Obi-Wan moment, buying time for Rey (and Maz?) to escape and join up with the Resistance.

The third movie can be about Han confronting his son (and the other Knights of Ren), and Rey destroying the First Order --still leaving a power vacuum in the Outer Rim, meaning there'll still be years or decades of work ahead of the young heroes, with only minimal support (i.e., periodic cameos) from the surviving oldsters.

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 10:55 PM

People have seen some of the new Star Wars Disney Parks. The Park's timeframe is et between 8 & 9.


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Posted 01 March 2019 - 01:17 AM

I must have Nerf Kabobs and Blue Milkshakes!


Actually the food they have shown looks nice. It's looking pretty awesome other than there only seems to be two real rides there. Everything else seems to be stores or ways to immerse yourself into the Galaxy not quite as Far, Far Away. Supposedly there will be full ensemble outfits to buy and wear in the park. I feel there is going to be confusion on who is and isn't staff there.


Also the return of build your own Lightsaber.


Also a new TIE variant, the TIE Echelon has been shown.

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 03:28 PM

Having been to the Avatar land I can say that 2 rides and a fully immersive area is really all you need. (Wizarding World in Universal parks confirms).

The gusts having immersive clothes is more along with the immersive hotel experience. But either way, all cast member will be wearing a themed nametag (with Aurebesh names under).

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 03:53 PM

I read some more about the upcoming park, I am going to be living there.


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Posted 01 March 2019 - 09:22 PM

Disney has also said that Galaxy's Edge is expandable, so they can add more stuff to it down the line.


I am just thrilled at the life like Hondo animatronic and the food options!

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 06:52 AM

It's very...ST themed.

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Posted 27 March 2019 - 10:07 AM

some potential new artwork for Episode IX (including a possible poster) went online today.



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Posted 27 March 2019 - 10:30 AM

*clicks link*

*scrolls through article looking for picture*

*reads through article again looking for embedded link*


I guess we can just take CBR's word on this one.

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Posted 27 March 2019 - 10:56 AM

The New Definitely Not Improved Even More Horrible Than The Last Two Rumors Thread

3PO has Chewie's bowcaster. What is happening?

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Posted 27 March 2019 - 11:07 AM

The first Star Wars movie poster EVER to not have R2D2.

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Posted 27 March 2019 - 11:18 AM

The first Star Wars movie poster EVER to not have R2D2.

I would bet that's not true.

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Posted 27 March 2019 - 11:53 AM

hes not on the original rotj movie poster, or the rots poster

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