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@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2019 - 04:29 AM)

2019 has been one long South Park episode.

@  Sjogre : (16 November 2019 - 10:46 PM)

Okay, that actually sounds pretty fun.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 12:49 PM)

It was set in the forties, featured Nazi's as the villains and had Kiko fight mostly Ice Age animals and a mythical dragon that now ruled the island guarding Kongs treasure.

@  Paladin : (15 November 2019 - 11:37 AM)

and it was ALSO eleven hours long.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 10:55 AM)

In a alternate reality Peter Jackson made Son of Kong.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

To be fair to boba: everyone else to go into the sarlacc was a sacrifice. Stripped almost naked and tossed, and didn't have body armor, a jetpack and a weapon.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 November 2019 - 06:54 AM)

Nah, he just has to keep up his plot insurance payments so he can shoot his way out of the Sarlacc again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 November 2019 - 02:59 AM)

Funny, but everyone knows he bounty hunts for Jabba Hutt to finance his 'Vette.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 November 2019 - 02:54 AM)

Okay.. Not sure why.. but streaming is harder than jsut playing the game.. even though that's pretty much what I was doing.

@  Xellos : (14 November 2019 - 06:47 PM)

What type of vehicle does Boba Fett use for time travel? A Man-DeLorean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a walk-in clinic, as I tend not to get sick (and the one time I do every 4-5 years, I prefer just riding it out at home), but the last time I went I'm pretty sure you could just show up, no appointment. It may be different in Quebec,though

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.


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#261 Noideaforaname

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 11:23 PM

Grim nihilism just isn't something I look forward to in Star Wars.



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Posted 26 February 2019 - 02:05 AM

 

Can we please not? It's in bad taste.


....how?

The sequels are entirely believable precisely because there is no "happily ever after." In 30 years the loving couple gets divorced, an idealistic boy turns disillusioned and regretful in middle age, and Neo-Nazis get mainstreamed. That's not "shitting" on a story, it's what happens in stories.

Was I the only person who was not won over by 378 novels about Han winking at Leia? 16 new, ever-more-powerful alien invasion apocalypses when nothing ever fundamentally changed?

 

 

Yes, because when I think realistic, I think a galactic power folding in a wet weekend because someone decided to put their entire military in one solar system, totalitarian governments just shrugging when their contractors sell weapons to their one opponent, military leadership refusing to tell anyone the plan to the point where their most decorated officer launches a mutiny unopposed, and magic laser swords.

 

You'll notice Last Jedi defenses tend to pivot on a dime from "It's fantasy! It doesn't have to make sense!" when people challenge the logic to "It's realistic!" when people say it's a depressing slog. 

 

It's just a bad movie, and the comparisons to reality, even aside from questions of their accuracy and tastefulness, fail to keep with Twain's observation. "Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't." 




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Posted 26 February 2019 - 03:08 AM

Can we please not? It's in bad taste.

....how?

The sequels are entirely believable precisely because there is no "happily ever after." In 30 years the loving couple gets divorced, an idealistic boy turns disillusioned and regretful in middle age, and Neo-Nazis get mainstreamed. That's not "shitting" on a story, it's what happens in stories.

Was I the only person who was not won over by 378 novels about Han winking at Leia? 16 new, ever-more-powerful alien invasion apocalypses when nothing ever fundamentally changed?

There is absolutely WWII allegory in Star Wars, to the point that dog fights from the war were used as stand in footage for Battle of Yavin.

However WWII is a real world conflict where millions died...and Star Wars is a work of fiction about magic space wizards. We don't lay wreaths for the Bothans on remembrance day.

Star Wars is escapist space fantasy. I don't think it's at all wrong to be annoyed when the central arc of the story gets crapped on and I'm not sure how "Shit things happen in real life" excuses it. To me it's as dumb as people who complain Imperial ranks don't mesh with real world military ranks. Star Wars is a fairy tale in a sci fi setting. If I wanted a depressing continuation of it, the Bantam and Del Rey books exist. And those at least handled the passing of the torch mostly better.

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 10:04 AM

There's another sci-fi series I very much got into last year that features a 30-year time skip in which every single thing stayed the same. Same dynamics, same relationships, nobody moved on with their lives, just time for a new wacky space adventure but now the bad guys have had 30 years to prepare an extra-strong weapon.

Not sure I should name it since it's still ongoing, but... It wasn't believable at all. It's the least believable thing in the whole saga.

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 11:03 AM

If you don't want the Star Wars universe to work in any way like a real universe... in that time passes over 30 years, both good and bad things happen to people in their lives, new threats rise to allow new heroism, characters age and change and grow and sometimes fail and are hurt but keep going and moving and living... well that's your choice, but it sounds awful to me and I like the living, surprising, moving, meaningful Star Wars universe we've gotten a LOT more.


-ZacWilliam, what your asking for sounds like an inert boring narratively dead "Happily Ever After" in which case no new movie need have been made, where instead we've gotten more wonderful, expanding, living Star Wars.

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 11:32 AM

There's another sci-fi series I very much got into last year that features a 30-year time skip in which every single thing stayed the same. Same dynamics, same relationships, nobody moved on with their lives, just time for a new wacky space adventure but now the bad guys have had 30 years to prepare an extra-strong weapon.
Not sure I should name it since it's still ongoing, but... It wasn't believable at all. It's the least believable thing in the whole saga.

Wait are you takling about Star Wars? Because that sounds like the the ST...

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 01:27 PM

If you don't want the Star Wars universe to work in any way like a real universe in that time passes over 30 years, both good and bad things both happen to people in their lives, new threats rise to allow new heroism, characters age and change and grow and sometimes fail and are hurt but keep going and moving and living... well that's your choice, but it sounds awful to me and I like the living, surprising, moving, meaningful Star Wars universe we've gotten a LOT more.


-ZacWilliam, what your asking for sounds like an inert boring narratively dead "Happily Ever After" in which case no new movie need have been made, where instead we've gotten more wonderful, expanding, living Star Wars.


So because I don't care for how Disney handled things I want the sequels to be frozen in time? Way to leap there.

Also, as for this notion that a happy ending is out of place- go and watch the end of ROTJ. Anakin is absolved and put to rest. The Empire is defeated and the heroes gather in celebration, watched over by the fallen Jedi whose conflict they resolved. It's an ending with closure and textbook happy ending.

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 02:11 PM

Regarding the current discussion in this thread, this is a good read:

 

From “A New Hope” to no hope at all: “Star Wars,” Tolkien and the sinister and depressing reality of expanded universes

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 04:11 PM

If you don't want the Star Wars universe to work in any way like a real universe in that time passes over 30 years, both good and bad things both happen to people in their lives, new threats rise to allow new heroism, characters age and change and grow and sometimes fail and are hurt but keep going and moving and living... well that's your choice, but it sounds awful to me and I like the living, surprising, moving, meaningful Star Wars universe we've gotten a LOT more.


-ZacWilliam, what your asking for sounds like an inert boring narratively dead "Happily Ever After" in which case no new movie need have been made, where instead we've gotten more wonderful, expanding, living Star Wars.

So because I don't care for how Disney handled things I want the sequels to be frozen in time? Way to leap there.

Also, as for this notion that a happy ending is out of place- go and watch the end of ROTJ. Anakin is absolved and put to rest. The Empire is defeated and the heroes gather in celebration, watched over by the fallen Jedi whose conflict they resolved. It's an ending with closure and textbook happy ending.

That's what you asked for in your earlier tweets. Shrug.

The end of Jedi is ONLY a "happy ending" if you let the story y'know END there. If you want to continue the story in any meaningful way it isn't, can't be and shouldn't be. It's been said that happy endings are easy to find, you just have to find the right spot to put the book down, walk away and do something else.

If you don't, if you continue the story for another 30+ years then no you can't just have that forever because that is neither life nor story. And certainly not a meaningful version of either.

-ZacWilliam, Star Wars is adventure and fun and heroism danger and myth and those things need bad things to happen, need new villains and new threats to arrive and challenge and damage the old characters, so there is new struggle, new heroism, and, yes New Hope, as they pass the torch to the next generation.

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 04:18 PM

Grim nihilism just isn't something I look forward to in Star Wars.

 

Exactly.  The entire story involving our original heroes is that nothing they ever did mattered, they had shitty lives, and then they died.  Thanks, Disney.  I can forgive a LOT--hell, I still watch Discovery--but I can't forgive throwing Han, Luke and Leia under the bus like that.  I would much rather they have just let story of the original trilogy characters stand as of ROTJ and instead they resume the struggle some 500 ABY.  



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Posted 26 February 2019 - 04:26 PM

If that is how you value their beating the Empire, saving countless lives and buying the galaxy 30 years of peace and themselves 30 years of life, good and bad, life simply because new troubles then arose and challenged them and they heroically stood up and fought those again and inspired others to do so, then I honestly feel sorry for you.

(And, Rogue One aside, if you see "Grim nihilism" in these mostly joyously fun, frequently very funny space adventure movies I think you maybe kinda tone deaf and blind)


-ZacWilliam, anyway that's all a depressing way to veiw the fact that time passes and life happens and heroes keep going and keep being heroes.

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 06:05 PM

If that is how you value their beating the Empire, saving countless lives and buying the galaxy 30 years of peace and themselves 30 years of life, good and bad, life simply because new troubles then arose and challenged them and they heroically stood up and fought those again and inspired others to do so, then I honestly feel sorry for you.

(And, Rogue One aside, if you see "Grim nihilism" in these mostly joyously fun, frequently very funny space adventure movies I think you maybe kinda tone deaf and blind)


-ZacWilliam, anyway that's all a depressing way to veiw the fact that time passes and life happens and heroes keep going and keep being heroes.

 

Beating the Empire means a whole lot less when the First Order takes over after. It's a very "The Man with an Unclean Spirit" end to the whole affair, you know? Or, in Lewis's words, what good does it do to cast out Mammon when Moloch takes his place?

 

With the state of the galaxy even before the First Order's victory, it's hard to feel like the thirty years were good ones, with expanded universe material making it worse.

 

The Force Awakens was a rollicking adventure that had some unfortunate connotations if you actually thought about it, but the Last Jedi is a death march with (bad) jokes. Slavery is unstoppable, good and evil are merely relative, the heroes are almost entirely wiped out, the villains refuse redemption, Luke abandons his ideals, accomplishes nothing, and dies from Force Skyping too hard. 

 

Worse, the film sets in stone the idea of the battle between dark and light as eternal, the Force forever driving a cycle of pain to the point one is tempted to simply say Kreia was right and be done with it.




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Posted 26 February 2019 - 10:22 PM

"Abondons his ideals, accomplishes nothing, and dies from force Skyping" sure is a weird way of looking at him saving everyone he cares about, keeping hope alive, and sacrificing himself heroically - yet peacefully! - in order to do so.

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 10:24 PM

Ummmm okay. So Good beats evil. Everyone stays happy forever without effort to keep any other evil from rising to take its place. Sorry not buying it. Even before Disney the EU made it clear the struggle for the galaxy would continue for years. I'll admit Disney's version doesn't look to allow Han, Luke and Leia much happiness at all. It sucks especially knowing what had been replaced in it's wake but even then it's not like they ever had much of a respite between threats in the galaxy.



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Posted 26 February 2019 - 10:45 PM

Good beats evil. New evil arises, but good still gets to actually enjoy their victory while also facing off against new evil. It isn't all just taken away offscreen before the sequel even begins.

 

 

I mean, Aliens 3 did exactly that and nobody likes that one...



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Posted 27 February 2019 - 07:30 AM

There's another sci-fi series I very much got into last year that features a 30-year time skip in which every single thing stayed the same. Same dynamics, same relationships, nobody moved on with their lives, just time for a new wacky space adventure but now the bad guys have had 30 years to prepare an extra-strong weapon.
Not sure I should name it since it's still ongoing, but... It wasn't believable at all. It's the least believable thing in the whole saga.

Wait are you takling about Star Wars? Because that sounds like the the ST...

....wait, so how quickly did you go from "the ST ruined everything by changing too much" to "the ST didn't change anything at all" just for the sake of a dumb zinger?

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 07:39 AM

There was 30 years between RotJ and FA. They had plenty of time for life and happiness. That's not nothing.

Nor was it "all" taken away before the Sequels start. We do begin with the new evil already on the rise and the old heroes scattered dealing with it as best they can but that's so we can jump right into the action with the new heroes/generation.

-ZacWilliam, like how Star Wars began with the Empire in power and Luke and co getting right into action and learning from the old generation (OB, Yoda) as they go. Cause that good fantasy adventure movie narrative structure. Heck that's textbook Joseph Cambell

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 09:06 AM

Campbell's "journey" model doesn't specify whether or not the bad guys are in power at the start.

It doesn't even specify whether anyone is good or evil.

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 09:58 AM

Maybe I'm poorly remembering my early EU, but it wasn't exactly a "and the heroes lived happily ever after" story either.  They got, what, 5 years before Thrawn showed up? Then Luke starts the Academy on Yavin IV, has a student decide to murder a bunch of people, and then gets stuck in a weird force coma with Exar Kun.  That's not including stuff I've forgotten or the arrival of the Vong which murderized a good chunk of the galaxy (I think - I had dropped out by then). 

 

It wasn't exactly a happy universe.

 

It also didn't give us Luke Force-Haunting his Nephew, which better be a thing, Disney. It better

 

 

I mean, Aliens 3 did exactly that and nobody likes that one...

 

*Raises Hand*

 

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 10:38 AM

Yeah, the need for ongoing conflict does not automatically mean that victory is meaningless --it just has to mean that the conflict is different.

So instead of a rag-tag Rebel Alliance against a galaxy-spanning Empire, now the heroes are a powerful Republic dealing with a rash of improbably well-organized pirates, or maybe a botched First Contact leading to war, or maybe a resurgence of the long-vanished Sith, or maybe a political schism trying to turn the government back toward fascism.

The problems with TFA stem from the fact that, if you filed the serial numbers off, it could be set 50 years earlier --the rising Empire's First Order's enforcer Darth Vader Kylo Ren is hunting down a Jedi who survived the purge destruction of his Academy, while the Rebellion Resistance tries to destroy the Death Star Starkiller.

In order to serve that set-up, everything had to be reset.



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