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@  TheMightyMol... : (22 August 2019 - 07:13 PM)

AK AK AKAKAK

@  RichardT1977 : (22 August 2019 - 07:08 PM)

He's a MARTIAN!

@  Maximus Ambus : (22 August 2019 - 02:35 AM)

No changes with me. To life immortal.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 August 2019 - 01:13 PM)

A French version named Eht Reht. Oh wait...

@  wonko the sane? : (21 August 2019 - 11:07 AM)

The most dangerous words in the english language: "I have money..."...

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2019 - 04:43 AM)

Zombie version, Hot Rot.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 August 2019 - 01:58 AM)

A chef version named Hot Pot.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2019 - 01:57 AM)

Does that hold true for the accent of any British Allsparkers here?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2019 - 01:56 AM)

I was reading some GoBots + Transformers discussion on Twitter and saw a British user point out that "BuggyMan" can sound like "boogeyman".

@  Otaku : (20 August 2019 - 11:28 PM)

@Sabrblade Part of me wishes I had purchased the coffee cup with that comic when it was for sale.  The rest of me knows I didn't have the money for it. XD

@  Sabrblade : (20 August 2019 - 07:59 PM)

That's the Superdeformers version. He uses the MacGuffix to warm up his coffee.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 August 2019 - 07:56 PM)

A bodybuilder version named Hot Bod.

@  unluckiness : (20 August 2019 - 07:43 PM)

A psychedelic-colored repaint named Pot Rod

@  Sean Whitmore : (20 August 2019 - 07:42 PM)

Runner-up dumb idea: A Bizarro-like clone of Hot Rod named Not Rod.

@  RichardT1977 : (20 August 2019 - 06:25 PM)

One of the dumbest TF ideas I ever had: Hot Rod (by whatever means) produces a son, who is named "Go-Cart".

@  TM2-Megatron : (20 August 2019 - 06:06 PM)

In its current form, DS9 is eventually going to fade from the public consciousness. Even on modern top-of-the-line displays, those old SD masters look like trash, and there's only so long younger generations will be able to stomach them. I can only imagine how they'll look when everyone has ultra-short throw projectors casting 120" images on their walls

@  TM2-Megatron : (20 August 2019 - 06:05 PM)

It's definitely offputting, but Trek is one property I'd be willing to hold my nose and open my wallet for. I care far more about DS9 being available in the long-term, and for future generations, than my distaste for corporate greed

@  Rycochet : (20 August 2019 - 05:39 PM)

'Pay up now and fund this remaster we'll be able to profit from for decades, as this will be your only chance to get that show you like on BluRay... Until the superdeluxe re-release with even more stuff and a metal box.'

@  Rycochet : (20 August 2019 - 05:14 PM)

Stuff they're intending to remaster anyway for their streaming service would become crowdfunding projects.

@  Rycochet : (20 August 2019 - 05:09 PM)

I love DS9, but there is something offputting about giving money direct to Viacom for a project like this, probably because it would set a bad precedent. Given how moneygrubbing they are, it would quickly become their go-to solution for any old show they want remastered rather than dipping their hands in their own deep pockets.

@  TM2-Megatron : (20 August 2019 - 02:48 PM)

A crowdfunding probably wouldn't be that outrageous. The DS9 Documentary "What We Left Behind" that was recently released on blu-ray managed to raise nearly $650,000 on IndieGoGo. Imagine how much fans might contribute if it were guaranteed the remaster would happen provided the goal was reached.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 August 2019 - 04:10 AM)

Let me call on my friend Dr Rockso, the Rock 'n Roll Clown. (He does cocaine.)

@  Nutjob R/T : (20 August 2019 - 12:48 AM)

New crowdfunding project: We need to get enough nose candy for the Paramount execs to keep 'em up long enough to get DS9 squeezed out

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 August 2019 - 04:36 PM)

They're hideously cheap. I'm just glad some decision maker in the upper echelons stayed high as a kite for long enough for us to get TOS, TNG and TAS on blu-ray

@  Rycochet : (19 August 2019 - 04:16 PM)

Paramount are kinda cheap and Ds9 isn't popular enough for them to go all out on a remaster.

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 August 2019 - 03:37 PM)

Or hell, they could just shorten a season of Discovery by 2-3 episodes and that'd pay for the DS9 remaster in full (assuming the 8 to 8.5 million per episode for Discovery that was reported a while back is accurate)

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 August 2019 - 03:32 PM)

Redoing some of the more simple effects like phasers and transporters and whatnot (basically what they've already had practice doing for TNG)

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 August 2019 - 03:30 PM)

They could scan and rebuild the film elements, and then upscale the original CGI only (provided it still exists as separate footage)

@  Dekafox : (19 August 2019 - 02:33 PM)

Basically its in the same situation as DS9 IIRC with loss of models and how the CGI was applied to the existing footage.

@  Dekafox : (19 August 2019 - 02:32 PM)

Not gonna happen unless they recreate all the CGI from scratch, unfortunately. Or just upscale the broadcast masters, which would be basically pointless.

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 August 2019 - 02:16 PM)

Babylon 5 must come to Blu Ray.

@  MEDdMI : (19 August 2019 - 07:28 AM)

Even in the winter, he has to clear the roads of snow.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 August 2019 - 03:46 AM)

His work is never done.

@  Pennpenn : (19 August 2019 - 03:06 AM)

Everyone quickly gets sick of flubbing the name and collectively agree to just call the combiner "Roadworks"

@  Sabrblade : (18 August 2019 - 09:34 PM)

For some reason, I've always wanted to see a "Menastator", all five Stunticons and all six Constructicons in an 11-piece combiner.

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 August 2019 - 01:35 PM)

Dunno what we'd call a Megatron combiner, we almost got a Megastator in IDW but nothing in Combiner Wars.

@  Paladin : (18 August 2019 - 01:30 PM)

somehow read that as "Megachronic." wonder if Decepticons get the munchies...

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 August 2019 - 11:30 AM)

Skywarp can barely form a coherent sentence half the time.

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 August 2019 - 11:24 AM)

If Cyclonus combines into Galvatronus, does Skywarp form Megatronic?

@  Pennpenn : (18 August 2019 - 09:12 AM)

There's something weird about starting to type Good Omens into a media store's search bar and having it come up with Queen's greatest hits compliations.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 August 2019 - 12:07 AM)

Well then they need to re-release Vector Prime. :D Of course I would accept Vector Prime Headmaster with Alpha Trion as the head.

@  unluckiness : (18 August 2019 - 12:05 AM)

That said, the bendy sword is ridiculous.

@  unluckiness : (18 August 2019 - 12:05 AM)

I dunno, the old one is still pretty good by modern standards and the clunkiness is somewhat in-character.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 August 2019 - 08:37 PM)

We need a new vector prime

@  Paladin : (17 August 2019 - 03:59 PM)

just don't leave Cybertron Vector Prime out in the sun or his wings will melt.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 August 2019 - 03:17 PM)

@Nevermore Duly noted.

@  Rycochet : (17 August 2019 - 02:12 PM)

I have three Cybertron Vector Primes, wouldn't throw them around though. I love that design too much,

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 August 2019 - 02:03 PM)

I'm just picturing someone throwing a pile of Vector Prime toys around. I don't know why.

@  Rycochet : (17 August 2019 - 01:42 PM)

Multi Vector Assault mode is what they go into when they think anyone's even slightly infringing on their IP.

@  Ashley : (17 August 2019 - 02:30 AM)

They MIGHT have done it for Star Trek Online ships, but even if they have that'd be a fairly specific category.


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Star Wars General Discussion - What will the future of the franchise look like?


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#241 Daith

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 07:40 AM

To be fair though all Han and Chewie do in the Death Star escape is nearly get crushed in the compactor and blindly rush themselves into a room of Troopers. But yes they do make Han and Luke look pretty incompetant in the whole shootout and Swinging scene there.



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 08:07 AM

Making it all a bit worse- these shorts are designed specifically to ease kids in the franchise. So someone decided "You know the central group of heroes and that sequence where they all met and bonded under fire? Change it. The guys are dead weight and Leia had to do everything."

 

Combine that with how the new films have shat on/killed the OT heroes.....Disney, the hell are you doing?



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 08:55 AM

The idea is to make the star of each short look as awesome as possible in their short. Yes, Leila's awesomeness is played up in hers, but so is Luke's in his, with hyper anime combat moves and Han's flying in his.

You can disagree with the fact that they reimagine the visuals of the movie in style and detail but it's pretty consistent in its use and execution: Pumping up each particular short's star in their personal short.


-ZacWilliam, some people are way too quick to imagine nefarious Disney motivations where obvious narrative ones are there. (And honestly anyone who thinks the new films haven't been absolute love letters to Luke, Han and Leia especially, are pretty blind imo)

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 09:05 AM

"Absolute love letters"?

 

The Republic they fought to revive fell apart because it couldn't believe Imperial remnants were a threat

Luke's revived Jedi order failed because he had too much pride in Ben as a Skywalker and freaked out when he saw a vision of him falling to the dark side.

This in turn caused Han and Leia to split, Han falling back into the life he'd escaped by the end of the OT

Luke spends all his time in hiding, bitterly believing the whole conflict he personally resolved was a waste of time.

Both Han and Luke have miserable, painful deaths due to Ben.

 

Where is the love letter approach? All I see is 'Everything from the OT was ultimately pointless, now it's on the Disney cast.'



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 02:29 PM

You keep harping on this "Disney's characters" as if it has to be OT characters all the time. Eventually new characters will have to be added to continue the story forward. The actors portraying Han, Luke and Leia are old and won't be up to the task much longer(RIP Carrie Fisher).

You can't really have a series called "Star Wars" with a galaxy at peace? Bad stuff has to go down to make things worth making a movie about. And if we're going to eke a bit more out of Luke, Leia and Han, shits gonna go bad for them.

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 02:57 PM

"Absolute love letters"?

 

The Republic they fought to revive fell apart because it couldn't believe Imperial remnants were a threat

Luke's revived Jedi order failed because he had too much pride in Ben as a Skywalker and freaked out when he saw a vision of him falling to the dark side.

This in turn caused Han and Leia to split, Han falling back into the life he'd escaped by the end of the OT

Luke spends all his time in hiding, bitterly believing the whole conflict he personally resolved was a waste of time.

Both Han and Luke have miserable, painful deaths due to Ben.

 

Where is the love letter approach? All I see is 'Everything from the OT was ultimately pointless, now it's on the Disney cast.'

 

This is what I've been saying from day one.  It baffled me when people proclaimed that Force Awakens "redeemed" Star Wars.  It's a competently shot film, but in terms of story it completely invalidates everything that our heroes accomplished in the original trilogy, making their lives and sacrifices meaningless.  How is that paying respect to Star Wars?  They went in to the new films as if it were a completely new story with no legacy behind it.  Sorry, JJ, but some things NEED to be explained--you can't just push the reset button.  I knew better, but I hoped maybe his mystery boxes might go somewhere and after all was said and done things might make a little sense, but there was no plan going forward.



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 03:25 PM

You keep harping on this "Disney's characters" as if it has to be OT characters all the time. Eventually new characters will have to be added to continue the story forward. The actors portraying Han, Luke and Leia are old and won't be up to the task much longer(RIP Carrie Fisher).

You can't really have a series called "Star Wars" with a galaxy at peace? Bad stuff has to go down to make things worth making a movie about. And if we're going to eke a bit more out of Luke, Leia and Han, shits gonna go bad for them.


Said it before- there was absolutely a way to make the new movies a passing of the torch without shitting on what had come before. Disney didn't go for it.

Disney went the way where everything in the previous 6 films and the OT in particular is pointless. The Empire was defeated? Nope! Luke returned the Jedi to prominence? Nope! Han escaped a life of crime and started a family with Leia? Nope!

Six films that are the heart of the franchise shat on so there could be these sequels. When Disney could have instead created a new conflict that emerged without invalidating the story thus far and likewise retired the original heroes with dignity.

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 04:24 PM

Millions of people struggled and suffered and sacrificed in World War 1. Twenty years later, World War 2 made it all worthless.

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 04:41 PM

Luke had a spectacular arc to his life more realistic, meaningful and moving than the dream of Super Jedi Lord. Mark Hamill hit that performance out of the park and he had great material to work from. Han was Han to the end but older and wiser. His last scene he was the inspiration and motivation of the next generation of heroes and villains. His final scene was heartbreaking in the best way and inspired the new generation and set them both on their path. I can't believe anyone could have a problem with Leia becoming the General she always was and fighting to save and inspire the Galaxy from new threats, and using the force in amazing ways.

Their fates are not "and they lived Happly Ever After. The End." Because things didn't end. The universe and life went on and there was 30 years of love, life and peace that they won. And after 30 years new threats arose that had to be fought and new sacrifices made to stop them and new Heroes inspired by the old rising up to meet them.

The sequel Trillogy has been absolutely wonderful and downright reverent to those old characters by keeping them at the core of the story, letting them live and change and fight and triumph and die being heroes, because that what heroes do and what they should do.

-ZacWilliam, Disney's been doing a wonderful job with the sequels, by far some of my favorite SW stuff and I grew up loving the first three dearly. Empire Strikes Back has been my favorite film of any sort basically my whole life. Last Jedi easily joined it in my Top three favorite SW things ever.

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 05:54 PM

I mean, I can kinda see both sides.

Yes, the New Trilogy did a good job of continuing the story of the Heroes of Yavin and making them integral to the next generation, but I agree that the way they did it wasn't the only, or maybe even the best, way to do that.

Personally, even without knowing that Carrie Fisher would be leaving us, I would've made the first of the new movies her movie --her role in the fate of the galaxy has always been bigger than Han or Luke's. Show us a functioning New Republic, with Leia on the inside convinced that her life's work has successfully restored peace and justice to the galaxy --right up until Han (with Rey, Finn, and Poe) comes back into her life, warning her about the First Order. Leia, being Leia, tries to mobilize the Republic to help the people of the Outer Rim, but the New Republic proves to be as bureaucratic and hidebound as the Old. Leia is left with no choice but to go off-the-books, assembling a crew of volunteers.

Meanwhile, Ben is still at Luke's Academy (along with the tiny handful of Force-sensitives that Luke has been able to convince to join him), and we actually get to see his fall to the Dark Side and the cataclysm that destroys the Academy.

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 06:09 PM

I mean, I can kinda see both sides.

Yes, the New Trilogy did a good job of continuing the story of the Heroes of Yavin and making them integral to the next generation, but I agree that the way they did it wasn't the only, or maybe even the best, way to do that.

Personally, even without knowing that Carrie Fisher would be leaving us, I would've made the first of the new movies her movie --her role in the fate of the galaxy has always been bigger than Han or Luke's. Show us a functioning New Republic, with Leia on the inside convinced that her life's work has successfully restored peace and justice to the galaxy --right up until Han (with Rey, Finn, and Poe) comes back into her life, warning her about the First Order. Leia, being Leia, tries to mobilize the Republic to help the people of the Outer Rim, but the New Republic proves to be as bureaucratic and hidebound as the Old. Leia is left with no choice but to go off-the-books, assembling a crew of volunteers.

Meanwhile, Ben is still at Luke's Academy (along with the tiny handful of Force-sensitives that Luke has been able to convince to join him), and we actually get to see his fall to the Dark Side and the cataclysm that destroys the Academy.

 

That sounds like a desent basic plot for a TV show than Resistance, hell, I got no idea what Resistance is meant to be about aside from some newbie who meant to find a first order spy, then again I was turned off by the animation style, it just says "this is horrible and cheep!" I not even tried to watch it, those shorts using the voices from the original saga I've been watching, those are enjoyable and funny to watch, I know a storm brewed up over the prison break scene from New Hope, mainly how Leia is depicted, all I saw was the animators attempting to make the scene a bit more funnier.


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Posted 24 February 2019 - 06:28 PM

The worst thing Disney's done is get the original cast back together but not have them reunite on screen. That's like, I dunno, finding Wonka's Golden Ticket and tossing it into the fire, right in front of the news reporters and Slugworth.



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 06:40 PM

IMO the "worst thing" was not letting Han & Leia be happy for while longer.

 

TFA is, what 30 years later? Ben was born 5 years after ROTJ (last I checked).  He turned as a teenager (I think).  So Han & Leia got maybe 10-15 years before everything fell apart.  That... bugs me.

 

I do think that Leia should have been "First," but I think the way they were working towards IX made sense.  Luke's story was all about his father.  Ben's story would have been all about his mother. I'm super disappointed we won't get that kind of closure.

 

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 08:40 PM

IMO the "worst thing" was not letting Han & Leia be happy for while longer.
 
TFA is, what 30 years later? Ben was born 5 years after ROTJ (last I checked).  He turned as a teenager (I think).  So Han & Leia got maybe 10-15 years before everything fell apart.  That... bugs me.
 

If Ben was born 5 years after the OT and he turned as a teenager, then they had more like 20 years together before splitting, right?

At least, I assumed that they split when Ben turned to the dark side, not when he first started his Jedi training, though maybe I'm wrong about that?

Edited by WLG3, 24 February 2019 - 08:41 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2019 - 08:50 PM

Yeah, I guess.  I'm not sure Disney has been that concrete on the Kylo Ren timeline.  Just when he was born... "and then things happened."

 

I'm not sure Han & Leia were ever given a happy period, at least going by the last time I looked it up.  Leia's life was already kind of a mess following ROTJ, what with the whole "Vader's Daughter" thing.  Then Ben.

 

And I guess the films aren't that clear when Han left, either.  Just after what happened at Luke's Academy, but, I dunno.  Maybe they got some good years.

 

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 11:29 PM

Millions of people struggled and suffered and sacrificed in World War 1. Twenty years later, World War 2 made it all worthless.


Way to mis s the point. "Here's a real conflict where real people died. Your concerns about space wizard fiction are invalid. "

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 02:25 AM

I don't consider myself to have a horse in this specific race but if we're starting this from "in a thing designed to specifically showcase Leia, they made Leia the cool one"... I'm not seeing that as a particularly compelling complaint.

But I haven't seen this thing and I'm not terribly invested in the OT stuff, so... my vote has little weight.

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 02:26 PM

Millions of people struggled and suffered and sacrificed in World War 1. Twenty years later, World War 2 made it all worthless.


I was going to post this exact analogy.
I finally got rid of that big white box.

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 04:40 PM

Can we please not? It's in bad taste.

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 06:41 PM

This is funny to watch and listen to:

 


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