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@  TheMightyMol... : (14 August 2020 - 02:47 AM)

Fake news, no shinobi.

@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?


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#1 HellCat

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Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:38 PM

MOD EDIT: discussion split from here:

 

https://www.allspark...ival/?p=3763109

 

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:59 PM

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


How do people think it lost money? I'm genuinely curious as to why people may think this after the success of the recent films. Not being confrontational, just wanted to know why.

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Posted 19 July 2018 - 10:09 PM

Indeed. Just based off the box office takes for the Post-Disney films, they've nearly doubled their investment. The four Disney era films combined cost about a billion to make. The international take home for those four films is around 4 billion. Heck, Solo was a $100 million success. That's not even bothering to look at merchandise speculations.

 

So I really don't understand the idea that Star Wars is somehow failing under Kennedy.



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Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:04 PM

Yeah, um, what? That rumor is absurdly mismatched with a reality where Star Wars is regularly making hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

Really excited for more Clone Wars, and I will be very happy if the story they tell makes Revenge of the Sith ultimately redundant, as it deserves.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:17 PM

We're talking about a company that paid billions for this franchise. The rumours basically imply she's been criticised because Solo bombed and Disney are apparently comparing Star Wars to the success of the MCU.
They're apparently also not happy the entitled man baby crap went into overdrive based on her direction for the franchise but if that parts true I don't think it can be fully blamed on her.

And no, I didn't pick this up from some random hate blog. The sources on this were also on top of the Sony hack a while back.

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Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:31 PM

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 07:17 AM



The rumours basically imply she's been criticised because Solo bombed and Disney are apparently comparing Star Wars to the success of the MCU.

 

Except Solo didn't bomb. It under-performed certainly, but still made Disney $100 million profit. Other studios wish they had Disney's problems.

 

But I will admit there's something to be said about the rate of performance. If Disney was expecting Star Wars to be like the MCU, they're going to be in for a rude awakening. One thing Lucas had right was the marketing of the franchise - make people wait. Let the pot simmer for a bit before giving it another stir. Banging out new movies and shows every year is a great means of producing a burnout. Marvel seems immune at the moment, but Marvel also isn't brokering competition. Warner Bros is struggling to keep the DC franchises relevant (Not even Batman can bolster all of them), and the CW has hit critical mass with its Arrowverse.

 

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 08:09 AM

So let me get this straight.  Because Solo didn't make ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD!, this means it bombed and that under Kennedy, the franchise is losing money because one movie didn't make ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD!?  Fanboys are idiots.

 

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:09 AM

Three SW films in a row make over 1 billion each, fourth arguably doesn't break even. This is fine.


Really, though, Clone Wars had a LOT of material that went to waste from the buyout. Its really quite natural that Disney would go back to it to fill out its new streaming service.
(Also, they'd've been working on this since before Solo even came out, so the whole thing's kinda moot, heh)

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:14 AM

Indeed. Just based off the box office takes for the Post-Disney films, they've nearly doubled their investment. The four Disney era films combined cost about a billion to make. The international take home for those four films is around 4 billion. Heck, Solo was a $100 million success. That's not even bothering to look at merchandise speculations.

 

So I really don't understand the idea that Star Wars is somehow failing under Kennedy.

 

Every article I have seen on the internet says that the movie under-performance cost Disney $50 million. I see no mention of it making $100 Million. It reportedly cost Disney $250 million to make the film and it only made $212 Domestically. Internationally it made another $173, but international markets take a lot larger cut of the films than the domestic markets. Once the film hits home media, I am sure that Disney will get its money back but so far the film did take a loss theatrically.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:44 AM

It was never about overall box office performance, it is about efficiency.  If $1 invested in makes $2, that film operates at 50%.  Every decision has an efficiency, some are high, some are low.  I business has to decide how they are spending their limited resources.  Solo operated at 50% and costed 1M to make.  Disney may have had other options that operated at 25%, but only cost .25M to make.  If they put money into those, they could produce 4 smaller projects and make a total of 4M rather than one that makes 2M.  That is what killed Kennedy.  She convinced them that they should fund Solo rather than Frozen 2, the Clone Wars cartoon, the "Incredible Radishes", and the "Mtn Dew Chronicles".  Solo didn't do well and Disney walked away from 4M.  When the accountants saw that, Disney had to make a decision to keep throwing money at Kennedy, or "have her resign"


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:01 AM

Well, it was Kennedy's distaste for what Miller and Lord were doing that led to Solo ending up as the most expensive Star Wars film ever, so... IF true, I don't think she's necessarily the WORST person to blame.
But then I don't like Kennedy much anyway because she's supposedly responsible for Nothing But White Female Leads.

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:16 AM

Well, it was Kennedy's distaste for what Miller and Lord were doing that led to Solo ending up as the most expensive Star Wars film ever, so... IF true, I don't think she's necessarily the WORST person to blame.
But then I don't like Kennedy much anyway because she's supposedly responsible for Nothing But White Female Leads.

It all boils down to Star Trek

 

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KIRK: I am.
CHANG: And if it should be proved that members of your crew did in fact carry out such an assassination?...
McCOY: Jim! They're setting us up! Your honours!...
COLONEL WORF: Do not answer!
KLINGON JUDGE: Captain Kirk, you will answer the question.
KIRK: As Captain ...I am responsible for the conduct of the crew under my command.
CHANG: Your honours, the State rests.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:30 AM

That's actually the scene that kept coming to mind for me in all the Holdo/Poe discussions.  :D
 
On topic, I think it's also worth noting that financial people are ridiculously big on trends. For example, revenue reports are always provided not just in terms of an actual dollar amount, but how much that figure changed from the same year/quarter/month from a year ago. It's not enough to make money. You have to continuously increase how much money you're making. With that in mind, I can very easily imagine some of the corporate bosses at Disney being very unhappy with this picture.

 

Edit: I have no idea what's up with the chart scaling, but I only just noticed it. Looks like it's trying to show double the actual values for some reason. Oh well, not worth the effort to fix it since the actual data is there and the trends are clear enough.

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:54 AM

That's actually the scene that kept coming to mind for me in all the Holdo/Poe discussions.  :D
 
On topic, I think it's also worth noting that financial people are ridiculously big on trends. For example, revenue reports are always provided not just in terms of an actual dollar amount, but how much that figure changed from the same year/quarter/month from a year ago. It's not enough to make money. You have to continuously increase how much money you're making. With that in mind, I can very easily imagine some of the corporate bosses at Disney being very unhappy with this picture.

 

Edit: I have no idea what's up with the chart scaling, but I only just noticed it. Looks like it's trying to show double the actual values for some reason. Oh well, not worth the effort to fix it since the actual data is there and the trends are clear enough.

 

Couple that with the price to make, and the efficiency trend is worse.  Per man hour, Disney makes less on Star Wars than STV sequels.  They may get a better GP if they send those SW experts over to create a TV show with revenue from syndication and advertiser slots.  You could also use the program as a vehicle for toy sales.

 

I wonder if they have some way to do that...oh yeah :)


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 12:08 PM

Nothing But White Brunette British Female Leads.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

Definitely seems like there's a very obvious pattern. 

 

Take out the British part and then you have the original and prequels as well.

 

A little diversity would be nice.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 12:12 PM

With renewed extensive discussion on Star Wars as a whole, I have split those posts into this dedicated thread.

 

For Star Wars: The Force Awakens discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Last Jedi discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker discussion, see here.

 

For Rogue One: A Star Wars Story discussion, see here.

 

For Solo: A Star Wars Story discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Clone Wars movie discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Clone Wars TV series discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Clone Wars revival series discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars Rebels discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars Resistance discussion, see here.

 

For The Mandalorian discussion, see here.

 

For Cassian Andor series discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars toy discussion, see here.

 

And for Star Trek general discussion, see here.

 

In any case, we live in an interesting era, to be sure.

 

I can hardly wait to see what news comes out of Disney next.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 03:58 PM

And they say the fandom is not divided...


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 04:53 PM

 

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


How do people think it lost money? I'm genuinely curious as to why people may think this after the success of the recent films. Not being confrontational, just wanted to know why.

 

 

It boils down to the fact many fans felt betrayed by the Last Jedi film, it failed to answer their burning questions that were posed in the Force Awakens, it wasted a lot of time on a meaningless side story to get a hacker when in the past its been shown droids can do these things, its pretty much a SLOW Chase through Space that could of been over within about 30min, to me it felt like a bad remake of a Battlestar Galatica (Reimgained series) ep, where the Cylons would show up every 30 min and they had to jump away to safety. Last Jedi killed off the most important legacy charater in a manner that dishounored him, it killed the charater who many believed to be the primary villian of the trilogy, without seconds thoughts to his back story, it wasted Rey's time on that world with Luke, it had two charaters who pretty much cost many people in the resistance, their lives, one by failing to tell people what the plan is or directing the other ships to jump to lightspeed in different directions, the other, just to steal a kiss from a guy she only just met a few hours ago, when he was willing to give up his life to prevent the First Order from getting access to the base.

 

 

So I really don't understand the idea that Star Wars is somehow failing under Kennedy.

 

I can, Kennedy is a buiness person without the vision, like JJ Adrams has, thus she pretty much been rubber stamping a lot of things and making bad choices, simply because she doesn't understand the brand she been in charge of. She also failed to reign in Rian Johnson who been out of control on Twitter and trying to explain his choices in the Last Jedi, but he also been insuilting fans, she made a bad sitution worse a couple of times, like saying, she doesn't like Luke Skywalker or feel with him, there also a comment I heard about where she says something about your NOT a fan if you only go and see the films or watch the TV series or buy the toys and stuff! This pretty much upset fans greatly and is causing things to go downhill!

 

The general sitution is that Rian & Kathleen have set fire to something that was not meant to be set fire to and as they try to put the fire out, they only throw on things that make it worse and as a result the brand of Star Wars as suffered greatly which lead to many fans not bothering with Solo, plus many fans likely have their own ideas of Han Solo's adventures prior to meeting Luke & Obi Wan, its pretty much the story no one asked for ror felt was wanted unlike Rouge One which felt right at home as a bridge film that help set the stage for a New Hope events. Of course, Kathleen, from what I understand/heard about, got a major scolling from the head of Disney, behind private doors with the heads of Pixar and Marvel listening in but not saying anything, so currently the future of the brand rests upon Ep9 and Disney knows there must be a serious change of leadership at Lucas film and what I last knew of (as of a couple of days ago), Kathleen is currently hard to replace, not because of how she does the job, but getting a replacement, a lot of people do not want to take over because they see the fandom as Toxic when the reailty is that its the people currently in charge are toxic.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 07:14 PM

 

 

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


How do people think it lost money? I'm genuinely curious as to why people may think this after the success of the recent films. Not being confrontational, just wanted to know why.

 

 

It boils down to the fact many fans felt betrayed by the Last Jedi film, it failed to answer their burning questions that were posed in the Force Awakens, it wasted a lot of time on a meaningless side story to get a hacker when in the past its been shown droids can do these things, its pretty much a SLOW Chase through Space that could of been over within about 30min, to me it felt like a bad remake of a Battlestar Galatica (Reimgained series) ep, where the Cylons would show up every 30 min and they had to jump away to safety. Last Jedi killed off the most important legacy charater in a manner that dishounored him, it killed the charater who many believed to be the primary villian of the trilogy, without seconds thoughts to his back story, it wasted Rey's time on that world with Luke, it had two charaters who pretty much cost many people in the resistance, their lives, one by failing to tell people what the plan is or directing the other ships to jump to lightspeed in different directions, the other, just to steal a kiss from a guy she only just met a few hours ago, when he was willing to give up his life to prevent the First Order from getting access to the base.

 

 

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That's what you get from J.J. Abrams a lot of questions and no payoff.





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