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@  Shrug : (20 October 2018 - 05:28 AM)

Russian interference should have been fighting an uphill battle, but as far as I'm concerned we gave them a head start.

@  Shrug : (20 October 2018 - 05:23 AM)

I disagree with Hillary being a good choice to run against Trump. Plenty of mixed feelings about her long before 2016 within our own party. When the DNC has to rig it's own primaries to get their chosen candidate running, maybe you shouldn't expect an easy landslide at the actual election.

@  Pennpenn : (20 October 2018 - 05:20 AM)

It would have also helped if the US was also an actualy democracy where the candidate who gets the most votes wins, but hey.

@  Rycochet : (20 October 2018 - 04:42 AM)

You helped destroy western democracy, but hey, at least no-one can accuse you of bias... Oh wait, they did, still do, and are going to keep doing so as long as you report facts.

@  Rycochet : (20 October 2018 - 04:39 AM)

Hillary was a good choice to run against Trump, the big problem was the media crawling all over themselves to try and push the idea of fairness, and threw her under the bus to do so. Any hint of impropriety was treated as being exactly the same as actual proven criminal acts by Trump in order to avoid being seen as biased... and at the end of it all, he turned around and bit them for doing so because that's who he is.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:37 AM)

Many right-wingers are using its name as part of our version of the term "libtards": "Left-green filthy".

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:35 AM)

It's the only of the "established" parties (it's almost 40 years old at this point) that has remained true to its principles.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:34 AM)

Meanwhile, some uplifting news from Germany: While our big parties are rapidly losing voters, and our new "we're not really extreme" right-wing party is gaining voters, there is one other party that is scoring massive points, both in polls and the recent Bavarian state election: The Green Party.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:33 AM)

I still think having Hillary run against Drumpf was a bad choice.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 03:32 AM)

Well on the bright side, we know more people voted for HIllary than the cheeto.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:31 AM)

I guess many a prepper might have also voted for the person most likely to bring about the end of society they are waiting for.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:28 AM)

Now let that sink in, and then think about how many people voted for Agent Orange.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:27 AM)

Elected officials often represent how the voters either view themselves, or how they would like to be.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 12:21 AM)

Well I had 8 people watching my stream at one time tonight.. I call that a success...

@  Telly : (19 October 2018 - 11:08 PM)

my latest order from tfsource is coming from pennsylvania. all other ones have come from vegas (or thereabouts). did they move? is there a convention in pennsylvania theyre at and shipped from there?

@  MEDdMI : (19 October 2018 - 10:02 PM)

Unless it's the main cast of Persona 5.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 October 2018 - 10:02 PM)

I realize there is a certain irony in my vocabulary selection there.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 October 2018 - 10:01 PM)

People who admire public thieves and tricksters are.....sad.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 07:04 PM)

Ah damn it, need to go get some new headphones.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2018 - 06:21 PM)

Power was out for most of the day, and now a boil water advisory. Been a great day so far...

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:31 PM)

Bottom line, he reminds them alternatively of all the con men they grew up with watching on television (i.e. televangelists) or their favorite character from the Bible (i.e. Old Testament God).

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:30 PM)

Bill Maher gave an excellent explanation for why the Religious Right loves Trump so much.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2018 - 05:02 PM)

"NOOOO said the man in washington! It's belongs to the poor!"... oh boy was he wrong.

@  Paladin : (19 October 2018 - 04:34 PM)

see also Andrew Ryan

@  RichardT1977 : (19 October 2018 - 03:18 PM)

Also, "Big Father" has almost all the benefits of "Big Brother", but with none of the drawbacks.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 October 2018 - 02:22 PM)

I'd go with "moron", personally.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 10:02 AM)

Why not both?

@  Benbot : (19 October 2018 - 09:56 AM)

I think she was a psychopath.

@  Echowarrior : (19 October 2018 - 09:50 AM)

Ayn Rand was a pretentious bitch.

@  Noideaforaname : (19 October 2018 - 09:31 AM)

But Sven makes way more sense now

@  Noideaforaname : (19 October 2018 - 09:30 AM)

Man, watching the original Voltron cartoon for the first time is so weird after having only seen the Netflix reboot.

@  D.M : (19 October 2018 - 09:09 AM)

+They don't really give a crap about God. All their religious talk is just part of the mask. They wanna look like the ideal citizen (what they consider that to be) - the most Christian of all Christians, the most patriotic of all patriots, etc.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 08:13 AM)

That's because she was also greedy, heartless, and despised the poor, which is something the right often loves more than God.

@  RichardT1977 : (19 October 2018 - 07:55 AM)

I find it rather amusing that the party of the Religious Right sees wisdom in a woman who hated the notion of God almost as much as she hated and feared the idea of being part of a family.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:39 AM)

However, another big issue is cultural differences. We do have a sense of humor, it's just different than in other cultures because it is a product of a different culture. Simply put, what you might find incredibly funny is considered unfunny by Germans... and vice versa.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:38 AM)

It's actually a multi-faceted issue. Yes, some Germans are incredibly devoid of humor, although those people exist in other countries too. I have no ideas regarding statistics, but these people exist.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:37 AM)

So, about this long-standing stereotype that "Germans have no sense of humor"...

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 October 2018 - 03:49 AM)

I got enough Rand fighting my way through the Sword of Truth series. I can't imagine trying to read the original work.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 02:39 AM)

All the people who like Rand should go live in a big underwater city. I cannot foresee anything that could go wrong with such a scenario.

@  MidnightFox : (19 October 2018 - 01:13 AM)

Everyone needs to stop reading Rand

@  Tieria Prime : (18 October 2018 - 10:54 PM)

Gotten a new Gundam gunpla toy model kit 

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 October 2018 - 09:47 PM)

Ugh it's ridiculous how some people worship Rand's ideas.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 October 2018 - 09:07 PM)

That's one of the things the old cable companies got right: Only one or two options per area. The illusion of choice.

@  Paladin : (18 October 2018 - 08:48 PM)

business types need to stop reading Ayn Rand.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 October 2018 - 07:29 PM)

The streaming services are starting to get too saturated and start canabilising each other.

@  Steevy Maximus : (18 October 2018 - 06:50 PM)

Good thing I never bought into VRV...Funimation is pulling out. And I got into HiDive at $4 a month.

@  Echowarrior : (18 October 2018 - 10:21 AM)

The restauraunt messes up your food, you complain to customer service. Complain to 911 when you get food poisoning from said food.

@  MEDdMI : (18 October 2018 - 07:59 AM)

Ugh. I hate people sometimes.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2018 - 04:00 AM)

I mean, white people are calling the cops on black people for random shit lately, it appears.

@  Pennpenn : (18 October 2018 - 02:49 AM)

It's not that surprising that some people freaked out enough over Youtube being down that they'd call emergency services. I mean, I've heard of at least one instance of someone calling 911 because the restaurant didn't make a cheeseburger to their liking.


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#1 HellCat

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Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:38 PM

MOD EDIT: discussion split from here:

 

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I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:59 PM

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


How do people think it lost money? I'm genuinely curious as to why people may think this after the success of the recent films. Not being confrontational, just wanted to know why.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 10:09 PM

Indeed. Just based off the box office takes for the Post-Disney films, they've nearly doubled their investment. The four Disney era films combined cost about a billion to make. The international take home for those four films is around 4 billion. Heck, Solo was a $100 million success. That's not even bothering to look at merchandise speculations.

 

So I really don't understand the idea that Star Wars is somehow failing under Kennedy.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:04 PM

Yeah, um, what? That rumor is absurdly mismatched with a reality where Star Wars is regularly making hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

Really excited for more Clone Wars, and I will be very happy if the story they tell makes Revenge of the Sith ultimately redundant, as it deserves.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:17 PM

We're talking about a company that paid billions for this franchise. The rumours basically imply she's been criticised because Solo bombed and Disney are apparently comparing Star Wars to the success of the MCU.
They're apparently also not happy the entitled man baby crap went into overdrive based on her direction for the franchise but if that parts true I don't think it can be fully blamed on her.

And no, I didn't pick this up from some random hate blog. The sources on this were also on top of the Sony hack a while back.

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Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:31 PM

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 07:17 AM



The rumours basically imply she's been criticised because Solo bombed and Disney are apparently comparing Star Wars to the success of the MCU.

 

Except Solo didn't bomb. It under-performed certainly, but still made Disney $100 million profit. Other studios wish they had Disney's problems.

 

But I will admit there's something to be said about the rate of performance. If Disney was expecting Star Wars to be like the MCU, they're going to be in for a rude awakening. One thing Lucas had right was the marketing of the franchise - make people wait. Let the pot simmer for a bit before giving it another stir. Banging out new movies and shows every year is a great means of producing a burnout. Marvel seems immune at the moment, but Marvel also isn't brokering competition. Warner Bros is struggling to keep the DC franchises relevant (Not even Batman can bolster all of them), and the CW has hit critical mass with its Arrowverse.

 

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 08:09 AM

So let me get this straight.  Because Solo didn't make ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD!, this means it bombed and that under Kennedy, the franchise is losing money because one movie didn't make ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD!?  Fanboys are idiots.

 

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:09 AM

Three SW films in a row make over 1 billion each, fourth arguably doesn't break even. This is fine.


Really, though, Clone Wars had a LOT of material that went to waste from the buyout. Its really quite natural that Disney would go back to it to fill out its new streaming service.
(Also, they'd've been working on this since before Solo even came out, so the whole thing's kinda moot, heh)

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:14 AM

Indeed. Just based off the box office takes for the Post-Disney films, they've nearly doubled their investment. The four Disney era films combined cost about a billion to make. The international take home for those four films is around 4 billion. Heck, Solo was a $100 million success. That's not even bothering to look at merchandise speculations.

 

So I really don't understand the idea that Star Wars is somehow failing under Kennedy.

 

Every article I have seen on the internet says that the movie under-performance cost Disney $50 million. I see no mention of it making $100 Million. It reportedly cost Disney $250 million to make the film and it only made $212 Domestically. Internationally it made another $173, but international markets take a lot larger cut of the films than the domestic markets. Once the film hits home media, I am sure that Disney will get its money back but so far the film did take a loss theatrically.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:44 AM

It was never about overall box office performance, it is about efficiency.  If $1 invested in makes $2, that film operates at 50%.  Every decision has an efficiency, some are high, some are low.  I business has to decide how they are spending their limited resources.  Solo operated at 50% and costed 1M to make.  Disney may have had other options that operated at 25%, but only cost .25M to make.  If they put money into those, they could produce 4 smaller projects and make a total of 4M rather than one that makes 2M.  That is what killed Kennedy.  She convinced them that they should fund Solo rather than Frozen 2, the Clone Wars cartoon, the "Incredible Radishes", and the "Mtn Dew Chronicles".  Solo didn't do well and Disney walked away from 4M.  When the accountants saw that, Disney had to make a decision to keep throwing money at Kennedy, or "have her resign"


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:01 AM

Well, it was Kennedy's distaste for what Miller and Lord were doing that led to Solo ending up as the most expensive Star Wars film ever, so... IF true, I don't think she's necessarily the WORST person to blame.
But then I don't like Kennedy much anyway because she's supposedly responsible for Nothing But White Female Leads.

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:16 AM

Well, it was Kennedy's distaste for what Miller and Lord were doing that led to Solo ending up as the most expensive Star Wars film ever, so... IF true, I don't think she's necessarily the WORST person to blame.
But then I don't like Kennedy much anyway because she's supposedly responsible for Nothing But White Female Leads.

It all boils down to Star Trek

 

CHANG: Captain Kirk, are you aware that as the Captain of a starship you are required to be responsible for the actions of your men?
KIRK: I am.
CHANG: And if it should be proved that members of your crew did in fact carry out such an assassination?...
McCOY: Jim! They're setting us up! Your honours!...
COLONEL WORF: Do not answer!
KLINGON JUDGE: Captain Kirk, you will answer the question.
KIRK: As Captain ...I am responsible for the conduct of the crew under my command.
CHANG: Your honours, the State rests.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:30 AM

That's actually the scene that kept coming to mind for me in all the Holdo/Poe discussions.  :D
 
On topic, I think it's also worth noting that financial people are ridiculously big on trends. For example, revenue reports are always provided not just in terms of an actual dollar amount, but how much that figure changed from the same year/quarter/month from a year ago. It's not enough to make money. You have to continuously increase how much money you're making. With that in mind, I can very easily imagine some of the corporate bosses at Disney being very unhappy with this picture.

 

Edit: I have no idea what's up with the chart scaling, but I only just noticed it. Looks like it's trying to show double the actual values for some reason. Oh well, not worth the effort to fix it since the actual data is there and the trends are clear enough.

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:54 AM

That's actually the scene that kept coming to mind for me in all the Holdo/Poe discussions.  :D
 
On topic, I think it's also worth noting that financial people are ridiculously big on trends. For example, revenue reports are always provided not just in terms of an actual dollar amount, but how much that figure changed from the same year/quarter/month from a year ago. It's not enough to make money. You have to continuously increase how much money you're making. With that in mind, I can very easily imagine some of the corporate bosses at Disney being very unhappy with this picture.

 

Edit: I have no idea what's up with the chart scaling, but I only just noticed it. Looks like it's trying to show double the actual values for some reason. Oh well, not worth the effort to fix it since the actual data is there and the trends are clear enough.

 

Couple that with the price to make, and the efficiency trend is worse.  Per man hour, Disney makes less on Star Wars than STV sequels.  They may get a better GP if they send those SW experts over to create a TV show with revenue from syndication and advertiser slots.  You could also use the program as a vehicle for toy sales.

 

I wonder if they have some way to do that...oh yeah :)


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 12:08 PM

Nothing But White Brunette British Female Leads.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

Definitely seems like there's a very obvious pattern. 

 

Take out the British part and then you have the original and prequels as well.

 

A little diversity would be nice.




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Posted 20 July 2018 - 12:12 PM

With renewed extensive discussion on Star Wars as a whole, I have split those posts into this dedicated thread.

 

For Star Wars: Resistance discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Clone Wars revival discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars Rebels discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Force Awakens discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Last Jedi discussion, see here.

 

For Rogue One: A Star Wars Story discussion, see here.

 

For Solo: A Star Wars Story discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars toy discussion, see here.

 

And for Star Trek general discussion, see here.

 

In any case, we live in an interesting era, to be sure.

 

I can hardly wait to see what news comes out of Disney next.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 03:58 PM

And they say the fandom is not divided...


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 04:53 PM

 

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


How do people think it lost money? I'm genuinely curious as to why people may think this after the success of the recent films. Not being confrontational, just wanted to know why.

 

 

It boils down to the fact many fans felt betrayed by the Last Jedi film, it failed to answer their burning questions that were posed in the Force Awakens, it wasted a lot of time on a meaningless side story to get a hacker when in the past its been shown droids can do these things, its pretty much a SLOW Chase through Space that could of been over within about 30min, to me it felt like a bad remake of a Battlestar Galatica (Reimgained series) ep, where the Cylons would show up every 30 min and they had to jump away to safety. Last Jedi killed off the most important legacy charater in a manner that dishounored him, it killed the charater who many believed to be the primary villian of the trilogy, without seconds thoughts to his back story, it wasted Rey's time on that world with Luke, it had two charaters who pretty much cost many people in the resistance, their lives, one by failing to tell people what the plan is or directing the other ships to jump to lightspeed in different directions, the other, just to steal a kiss from a guy she only just met a few hours ago, when he was willing to give up his life to prevent the First Order from getting access to the base.

 

 

So I really don't understand the idea that Star Wars is somehow failing under Kennedy.

 

I can, Kennedy is a buiness person without the vision, like JJ Adrams has, thus she pretty much been rubber stamping a lot of things and making bad choices, simply because she doesn't understand the brand she been in charge of. She also failed to reign in Rian Johnson who been out of control on Twitter and trying to explain his choices in the Last Jedi, but he also been insuilting fans, she made a bad sitution worse a couple of times, like saying, she doesn't like Luke Skywalker or feel with him, there also a comment I heard about where she says something about your NOT a fan if you only go and see the films or watch the TV series or buy the toys and stuff! This pretty much upset fans greatly and is causing things to go downhill!

 

The general sitution is that Rian & Kathleen have set fire to something that was not meant to be set fire to and as they try to put the fire out, they only throw on things that make it worse and as a result the brand of Star Wars as suffered greatly which lead to many fans not bothering with Solo, plus many fans likely have their own ideas of Han Solo's adventures prior to meeting Luke & Obi Wan, its pretty much the story no one asked for ror felt was wanted unlike Rouge One which felt right at home as a bridge film that help set the stage for a New Hope events. Of course, Kathleen, from what I understand/heard about, got a major scolling from the head of Disney, behind private doors with the heads of Pixar and Marvel listening in but not saying anything, so currently the future of the brand rests upon Ep9 and Disney knows there must be a serious change of leadership at Lucas film and what I last knew of (as of a couple of days ago), Kathleen is currently hard to replace, not because of how she does the job, but getting a replacement, a lot of people do not want to take over because they see the fandom as Toxic when the reailty is that its the people currently in charge are toxic.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 07:14 PM

 

 

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


How do people think it lost money? I'm genuinely curious as to why people may think this after the success of the recent films. Not being confrontational, just wanted to know why.

 

 

It boils down to the fact many fans felt betrayed by the Last Jedi film, it failed to answer their burning questions that were posed in the Force Awakens, it wasted a lot of time on a meaningless side story to get a hacker when in the past its been shown droids can do these things, its pretty much a SLOW Chase through Space that could of been over within about 30min, to me it felt like a bad remake of a Battlestar Galatica (Reimgained series) ep, where the Cylons would show up every 30 min and they had to jump away to safety. Last Jedi killed off the most important legacy charater in a manner that dishounored him, it killed the charater who many believed to be the primary villian of the trilogy, without seconds thoughts to his back story, it wasted Rey's time on that world with Luke, it had two charaters who pretty much cost many people in the resistance, their lives, one by failing to tell people what the plan is or directing the other ships to jump to lightspeed in different directions, the other, just to steal a kiss from a guy she only just met a few hours ago, when he was willing to give up his life to prevent the First Order from getting access to the base.

 

 

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That's what you get from J.J. Abrams a lot of questions and no payoff.





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