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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 August 2018 - 08:40 PM)

I saw him on The Trek BBS some months before he hit the Allspark.

@  Nevermore : (19 August 2018 - 05:47 PM)

He was considered an annoying pest even back then.

@  Nevermore : (19 August 2018 - 05:47 PM)

I finally managed to dig up some of Jason Irelan's earliest posts, at the Alvaro Comicboards Transformers forum. Dating back to 2003.

@  Nevermore : (19 August 2018 - 12:43 PM)

The best thing is that repeatedly buying the same cabinet means an increasing routine in assembling the things.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 August 2018 - 10:39 AM)

Welp, beats me. I got four shelves.

@  Nevermore : (19 August 2018 - 08:38 AM)

Finally I can showcase my collection in an appropriate manner.

@  Nevermore : (19 August 2018 - 08:38 AM)

I bought thirteen display cabinets for my new apartment from Ikea.

@  RichardT1977 : (19 August 2018 - 12:42 AM)

*groan*...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (18 August 2018 - 11:43 PM)

Well don't hang up on us, tel us abaud it!

@  Cybersnark : (18 August 2018 - 04:25 PM)

I'm back with a new modem!

@  wonko the sane? : (18 August 2018 - 03:58 PM)

And I just managed to clean out my bed drawers, so I can move on to the next step when I'm ready.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 August 2018 - 03:45 PM)

I doubt I set any records, but now my cat can't jump on my PC and hit the power button or reset button, so... improvement.

@  RichardT1977 : (18 August 2018 - 02:28 PM)

Back in St. Olaf they used to have IKEA building contests...

@  Paladin : (18 August 2018 - 11:44 AM)

enjoy yur affordable Svedish crap.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 August 2018 - 11:33 AM)

Ikea is dangerous. I bought a new desk and a bed frame...

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 August 2018 - 11:19 AM)

Var.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 06:19 AM)

Oh, and there's also a few percent extra wage for every overtime hour on top of that.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 06:19 AM)

Some people just work an hour extra every day and then request a day off when they have collected enough hours.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 06:18 AM)

Come in on your day off? Work an hour extra on a normal working day? Counts. What you do with your overtime doesn't matter just as long as you worked overtime in the first place.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 06:18 AM)

Anything goes - filing a request for financial compensation for your overtime, getting them compensated by spare time either in full "stay at home" days or "go home early" days (always with permission by your superior), it doesn't matter. What matters is that you worked longer than your contract and your official shift plan require you on any given day.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 06:16 AM)

Now the important thing here is that overtime is clocked daily, so if you work an hour extra (all overtime prior to the Christmas peak season is voluntary) and then immediately work an hour less on the following day (assuming you got your superior's permission), you may have a net zero on your overtime account but still scored one hour for the premium regardless.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 06:14 AM)

In other news, I unlocked an achievement at work: There is an agreement between the works council and the employer which states that anyone who works 55 overtime hours this year between January and the end of September gets a premium in October.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 06:12 AM)

Of course, the idiots keep bringing up the fact that DC used it "first", despite us telling them over and over again that who was "first" is completely irrelevant in trademarks.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 06:10 AM)

Actually they just settled.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 August 2018 - 05:03 AM)

Sounds like Hasbro should win it easily.. They'be been using it constantly for years, so even if DC did have it, they haven't been using and defending their trademark.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 04:54 AM)

Well, haven't in a long time, that is.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 04:54 AM)

And there haven't been any toys based on DC's Teen Titans Bumblebee character until recently.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 04:54 AM)

Because Hasbro is selling toys.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 04:54 AM)

The trademark dispute was specifically about toys.

@  Pennpenn : (18 August 2018 - 04:50 AM)

Thought to be fair I didn't even know Hasbro and DC were having a trademark dispute. I thought that was something that would have been settled years ago (and DC wouldn't be doing much with their Bumblebee at the moment given Marvel's using Wasp at the moment)

@  Pennpenn : (18 August 2018 - 04:37 AM)

It sounds like the kind of person isn't going to be deflected by petty concerns like "reason" or "facts".

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 04:18 AM)

I told him repeatedly that the insects are completely irrelevant because THEY ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING TOYS (or ANY business at all, for that matter).

@  Pennpenn : (18 August 2018 - 04:08 AM)

Even if he meant that the word "bumblebee" has been used to describe a particular type of insect (which is a much more coherent statement) it's still wrong.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 03:40 AM)

Claiming that Hasbro's trademark has always been for "Autobot Bumblebee" (a quick look at any toy packaging in the past 12 years proves this wrong), Apple the computer company has never held a trademark for "Apple", only for "Apple Computers" (the USPTO database proves this wrong), you cannot trademark common words (the USPTO database proves this wrong), the insects have been using the name "Bumblebee" for thousands of years (insects don't speak English), and ARGHHHH.

@  Nevermore : (18 August 2018 - 03:38 AM)

Jesus, there's this moron at TFW2005 who has a history of exceptionally outrageous bulls*** claims who is making all sorts of provably false statements in the thread about the Hasbro/DC "Bumblebee" trademark dispute.

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 August 2018 - 12:06 AM)

If you stop for gas/directions shortly before getting there and the attendant is unusually creepy and/or inbred, turn back

@  Noideaforaname : (17 August 2018 - 09:49 PM)

Booked a cheap cabin in the stormy mountains filled with alcohol. This is either a great find or the start of a horror film.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 August 2018 - 06:55 PM)

I loved those commercials...

@  Patch : (17 August 2018 - 06:14 PM)

Paladin drank Bud Ice once in the 90s, and the penguins have been after him ever since.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 August 2018 - 01:44 PM)

You weren't using it anyway.

@  Paladin : (17 August 2018 - 12:11 PM)

one by one the penguins steal my sanity...

@  Donocropolis : (17 August 2018 - 06:30 AM)

New band name: The Sabre Worf Hypothesis

@  wonko the sane? : (16 August 2018 - 06:36 AM)

That never goes away. I still have little panic attacks when I see water where it's not supposed to be. I've lived through enough leaking roofs, broken pipes and floods to know it could be a very bad sign.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 August 2018 - 09:20 PM)

Despite my parents explaining that to me when I was a kid, I still half-panic every time I see condensation dripping.

@  Shrug : (15 August 2018 - 08:23 PM)

Yup. If the water happens to be on the left or right of the vehicle, make sure to remember that. That way it's real easy to tell if it's something else dripping.

@  Nevermore : (15 August 2018 - 05:15 PM)

So I checked online and it appears... it's totally normal, that's apparently condensed water from the air conditioning.

@  Nevermore : (15 August 2018 - 05:14 PM)

Phew!" For a moment I thought I was in real trouble because when I arrived at home and drove my car into the garage, there was a trail of large wet spots.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 August 2018 - 08:01 AM)

The showerhead exploded off the pipe this morning. So yeah... think it's going to be a "great" day.

@  Donocropolis : (13 August 2018 - 09:44 PM)

Luckily, it was "Wheel Horse Lawnmower"

@  Donocropolis : (13 August 2018 - 09:44 PM)

I knew that my father was getting old when he finally posted a facebook status that was clearly a search term.


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Star Wars General Discussion - What will the future of the franchise look like?


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#1 HellCat

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Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:38 PM

MOD EDIT: discussion split from here:

 

https://www.allspark...ival/?p=3763109

 

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


Edited by SHIELD Agent 47, 20 July 2018 - 12:32 PM.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:59 PM

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


How do people think it lost money? I'm genuinely curious as to why people may think this after the success of the recent films. Not being confrontational, just wanted to know why.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 10:09 PM

Indeed. Just based off the box office takes for the Post-Disney films, they've nearly doubled their investment. The four Disney era films combined cost about a billion to make. The international take home for those four films is around 4 billion. Heck, Solo was a $100 million success. That's not even bothering to look at merchandise speculations.

 

So I really don't understand the idea that Star Wars is somehow failing under Kennedy.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:04 PM

Yeah, um, what? That rumor is absurdly mismatched with a reality where Star Wars is regularly making hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

Really excited for more Clone Wars, and I will be very happy if the story they tell makes Revenge of the Sith ultimately redundant, as it deserves.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:17 PM

We're talking about a company that paid billions for this franchise. The rumours basically imply she's been criticised because Solo bombed and Disney are apparently comparing Star Wars to the success of the MCU.
They're apparently also not happy the entitled man baby crap went into overdrive based on her direction for the franchise but if that parts true I don't think it can be fully blamed on her.

And no, I didn't pick this up from some random hate blog. The sources on this were also on top of the Sony hack a while back.

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Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:31 PM

Rumors gonna rumor.
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Posted 20 July 2018 - 07:17 AM



The rumours basically imply she's been criticised because Solo bombed and Disney are apparently comparing Star Wars to the success of the MCU.

 

Except Solo didn't bomb. It under-performed certainly, but still made Disney $100 million profit. Other studios wish they had Disney's problems.

 

But I will admit there's something to be said about the rate of performance. If Disney was expecting Star Wars to be like the MCU, they're going to be in for a rude awakening. One thing Lucas had right was the marketing of the franchise - make people wait. Let the pot simmer for a bit before giving it another stir. Banging out new movies and shows every year is a great means of producing a burnout. Marvel seems immune at the moment, but Marvel also isn't brokering competition. Warner Bros is struggling to keep the DC franchises relevant (Not even Batman can bolster all of them), and the CW has hit critical mass with its Arrowverse.

 

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 08:09 AM

So let me get this straight.  Because Solo didn't make ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD!, this means it bombed and that under Kennedy, the franchise is losing money because one movie didn't make ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD!?  Fanboys are idiots.

 

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:09 AM

Three SW films in a row make over 1 billion each, fourth arguably doesn't break even. This is fine.


Really, though, Clone Wars had a LOT of material that went to waste from the buyout. Its really quite natural that Disney would go back to it to fill out its new streaming service.
(Also, they'd've been working on this since before Solo even came out, so the whole thing's kinda moot, heh)

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:14 AM

Indeed. Just based off the box office takes for the Post-Disney films, they've nearly doubled their investment. The four Disney era films combined cost about a billion to make. The international take home for those four films is around 4 billion. Heck, Solo was a $100 million success. That's not even bothering to look at merchandise speculations.

 

So I really don't understand the idea that Star Wars is somehow failing under Kennedy.

 

Every article I have seen on the internet says that the movie under-performance cost Disney $50 million. I see no mention of it making $100 Million. It reportedly cost Disney $250 million to make the film and it only made $212 Domestically. Internationally it made another $173, but international markets take a lot larger cut of the films than the domestic markets. Once the film hits home media, I am sure that Disney will get its money back but so far the film did take a loss theatrically.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:44 AM

It was never about overall box office performance, it is about efficiency.  If $1 invested in makes $2, that film operates at 50%.  Every decision has an efficiency, some are high, some are low.  I business has to decide how they are spending their limited resources.  Solo operated at 50% and costed 1M to make.  Disney may have had other options that operated at 25%, but only cost .25M to make.  If they put money into those, they could produce 4 smaller projects and make a total of 4M rather than one that makes 2M.  That is what killed Kennedy.  She convinced them that they should fund Solo rather than Frozen 2, the Clone Wars cartoon, the "Incredible Radishes", and the "Mtn Dew Chronicles".  Solo didn't do well and Disney walked away from 4M.  When the accountants saw that, Disney had to make a decision to keep throwing money at Kennedy, or "have her resign"


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:01 AM

Well, it was Kennedy's distaste for what Miller and Lord were doing that led to Solo ending up as the most expensive Star Wars film ever, so... IF true, I don't think she's necessarily the WORST person to blame.
But then I don't like Kennedy much anyway because she's supposedly responsible for Nothing But White Female Leads.

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:16 AM

Well, it was Kennedy's distaste for what Miller and Lord were doing that led to Solo ending up as the most expensive Star Wars film ever, so... IF true, I don't think she's necessarily the WORST person to blame.
But then I don't like Kennedy much anyway because she's supposedly responsible for Nothing But White Female Leads.

It all boils down to Star Trek

 

CHANG: Captain Kirk, are you aware that as the Captain of a starship you are required to be responsible for the actions of your men?
KIRK: I am.
CHANG: And if it should be proved that members of your crew did in fact carry out such an assassination?...
McCOY: Jim! They're setting us up! Your honours!...
COLONEL WORF: Do not answer!
KLINGON JUDGE: Captain Kirk, you will answer the question.
KIRK: As Captain ...I am responsible for the conduct of the crew under my command.
CHANG: Your honours, the State rests.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:30 AM

That's actually the scene that kept coming to mind for me in all the Holdo/Poe discussions.  :D
 
On topic, I think it's also worth noting that financial people are ridiculously big on trends. For example, revenue reports are always provided not just in terms of an actual dollar amount, but how much that figure changed from the same year/quarter/month from a year ago. It's not enough to make money. You have to continuously increase how much money you're making. With that in mind, I can very easily imagine some of the corporate bosses at Disney being very unhappy with this picture.

 

Edit: I have no idea what's up with the chart scaling, but I only just noticed it. Looks like it's trying to show double the actual values for some reason. Oh well, not worth the effort to fix it since the actual data is there and the trends are clear enough.

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:54 AM

That's actually the scene that kept coming to mind for me in all the Holdo/Poe discussions.  :D
 
On topic, I think it's also worth noting that financial people are ridiculously big on trends. For example, revenue reports are always provided not just in terms of an actual dollar amount, but how much that figure changed from the same year/quarter/month from a year ago. It's not enough to make money. You have to continuously increase how much money you're making. With that in mind, I can very easily imagine some of the corporate bosses at Disney being very unhappy with this picture.

 

Edit: I have no idea what's up with the chart scaling, but I only just noticed it. Looks like it's trying to show double the actual values for some reason. Oh well, not worth the effort to fix it since the actual data is there and the trends are clear enough.

 

Couple that with the price to make, and the efficiency trend is worse.  Per man hour, Disney makes less on Star Wars than STV sequels.  They may get a better GP if they send those SW experts over to create a TV show with revenue from syndication and advertiser slots.  You could also use the program as a vehicle for toy sales.

 

I wonder if they have some way to do that...oh yeah :)


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 12:08 PM

Nothing But White Brunette British Female Leads.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

Definitely seems like there's a very obvious pattern. 

 

Take out the British part and then you have the original and prequels as well.

 

A little diversity would be nice.




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Posted 20 July 2018 - 12:12 PM

With renewed extensive discussion on Star Wars as a whole, I have split those posts into this dedicated thread.

 

For Star Wars: Resistance discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Clone Wars revival discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars Rebels discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Force Awakens discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars: The Last Jedi discussion, see here.

 

For Rogue One: A Star Wars Story discussion, see here.

 

For Solo: A Star Wars Story discussion, see here.

 

For Star Wars toy discussion, see here.

 

And for Star Trek general discussion, see here.

 

In any case, we live in an interesting era, to be sure.

 

I can hardly wait to see what news comes out of Disney next.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 03:58 PM

And they say the fandom is not divided...


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 04:53 PM

 

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


How do people think it lost money? I'm genuinely curious as to why people may think this after the success of the recent films. Not being confrontational, just wanted to know why.

 

 

It boils down to the fact many fans felt betrayed by the Last Jedi film, it failed to answer their burning questions that were posed in the Force Awakens, it wasted a lot of time on a meaningless side story to get a hacker when in the past its been shown droids can do these things, its pretty much a SLOW Chase through Space that could of been over within about 30min, to me it felt like a bad remake of a Battlestar Galatica (Reimgained series) ep, where the Cylons would show up every 30 min and they had to jump away to safety. Last Jedi killed off the most important legacy charater in a manner that dishounored him, it killed the charater who many believed to be the primary villian of the trilogy, without seconds thoughts to his back story, it wasted Rey's time on that world with Luke, it had two charaters who pretty much cost many people in the resistance, their lives, one by failing to tell people what the plan is or directing the other ships to jump to lightspeed in different directions, the other, just to steal a kiss from a guy she only just met a few hours ago, when he was willing to give up his life to prevent the First Order from getting access to the base.

 

 

So I really don't understand the idea that Star Wars is somehow failing under Kennedy.

 

I can, Kennedy is a buiness person without the vision, like JJ Adrams has, thus she pretty much been rubber stamping a lot of things and making bad choices, simply because she doesn't understand the brand she been in charge of. She also failed to reign in Rian Johnson who been out of control on Twitter and trying to explain his choices in the Last Jedi, but he also been insuilting fans, she made a bad sitution worse a couple of times, like saying, she doesn't like Luke Skywalker or feel with him, there also a comment I heard about where she says something about your NOT a fan if you only go and see the films or watch the TV series or buy the toys and stuff! This pretty much upset fans greatly and is causing things to go downhill!

 

The general sitution is that Rian & Kathleen have set fire to something that was not meant to be set fire to and as they try to put the fire out, they only throw on things that make it worse and as a result the brand of Star Wars as suffered greatly which lead to many fans not bothering with Solo, plus many fans likely have their own ideas of Han Solo's adventures prior to meeting Luke & Obi Wan, its pretty much the story no one asked for ror felt was wanted unlike Rouge One which felt right at home as a bridge film that help set the stage for a New Hope events. Of course, Kathleen, from what I understand/heard about, got a major scolling from the head of Disney, behind private doors with the heads of Pixar and Marvel listening in but not saying anything, so currently the future of the brand rests upon Ep9 and Disney knows there must be a serious change of leadership at Lucas film and what I last knew of (as of a couple of days ago), Kathleen is currently hard to replace, not because of how she does the job, but getting a replacement, a lot of people do not want to take over because they see the fandom as Toxic when the reailty is that its the people currently in charge are toxic.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 07:14 PM

 

 

I'm not too surprised. The word is that after Solo bombed Kennedy was told in no uncertain terms Disney aren't happy with her because under her the franchise has steadily lost money. This feels like throwing fans a bone with something pre-her they knew was in demand.


How do people think it lost money? I'm genuinely curious as to why people may think this after the success of the recent films. Not being confrontational, just wanted to know why.

 

 

It boils down to the fact many fans felt betrayed by the Last Jedi film, it failed to answer their burning questions that were posed in the Force Awakens, it wasted a lot of time on a meaningless side story to get a hacker when in the past its been shown droids can do these things, its pretty much a SLOW Chase through Space that could of been over within about 30min, to me it felt like a bad remake of a Battlestar Galatica (Reimgained series) ep, where the Cylons would show up every 30 min and they had to jump away to safety. Last Jedi killed off the most important legacy charater in a manner that dishounored him, it killed the charater who many believed to be the primary villian of the trilogy, without seconds thoughts to his back story, it wasted Rey's time on that world with Luke, it had two charaters who pretty much cost many people in the resistance, their lives, one by failing to tell people what the plan is or directing the other ships to jump to lightspeed in different directions, the other, just to steal a kiss from a guy she only just met a few hours ago, when he was willing to give up his life to prevent the First Order from getting access to the base.

 

 

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That's what you get from J.J. Abrams a lot of questions and no payoff.





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