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@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2021 - 06:41 AM)

Like, in general, not going into specific bands or covers. Because I could point out plenty of repainted toys I didn't like as much as the original, too.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2021 - 06:39 AM)

Is a musician covering a song "fixing" it?

@  Nevermore : (17 May 2021 - 05:15 AM)

So, then, isn't redecoing or retooling an existing toy also "fixing" someone else's art?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 10:07 PM)

A toy is not on the same level as a piece of drawn art, true, but it is 100% an entertainment product.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 05:05 PM)

A toy is an object of utility, Comparing that to a piece of drawn art is grossly ignoring the difference between the two. Also, you didn't answer my questions. Try again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:25 PM)

Part of the difference is that those covers are primarily one person's art. Sure, you probably have an inker and a colorist, but the lines and composition are one person. A toy however is a team design at pretty much all levels.

@  Cyoti : (16 May 2021 - 03:52 PM)

toymaking is a collaborative process, you have to make compromises and factories are going to get things wrong

@  tigerhawk : (16 May 2021 - 03:43 PM)

Earthrise had a few holes, Runamuck's legs YIKES!

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 03:37 PM)

I doubt that say, the designer for Kingdom Cheetor was happy about every bit of unpainted plastic on it.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:28 PM)

J Scott Campbell recently had his Spiderman cover "fixed" by someone online. A few weeks ago, someone on twitter "fixed" someone's Sonic the Hedgehog fan art where Sonic, Tails and Knuckles were drawn as humans. Both times and other times, the "fixer" gets called out and criticised as you shouldn't go around "fixing" someone else's art because its rude and disrespectful to the original artist. And I was thinking isn't "fixed your s*** for ya" exactly what toy customisers do?

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

Have you ever changed your car in any way whatsoever compared to the factory configuration, or are you leaving the designer's art unchanged in that case as well?

@  CORVUS : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

It's best not to ponder it too hard.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 04:16 AM)

Bass X0, I really wonder sometimes how you come up with these random tangents apropos of nothing.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:11 AM)

It's collaborative art.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 04:07 AM)

Toys are subject to budget constraints, so its not like customizing would ruin the designer's vision or whatever.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:38 AM)

Isn't customising a toy just "fixing other people's art"?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 02:58 AM)

Oops, All Berries

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2021 - 12:47 AM)

Nope, Chuck Berry

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 10:42 PM)

Nope, Chuck Testa.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 10:41 PM)

English needs to revive Chuck Finley in everyday text

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English needs to revive Mindy in everyday text.

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English needs to revive book in everyday text.

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English needs to revive Mook in everyday text

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 03:42 PM)

English needs to revive Mork in everyday text

@  CORVUS : (15 May 2021 - 02:21 PM)

English needs to revive Morn in everyday text

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English needs to revive Gorn in everyday text

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English needs to revive Gore in everyday text

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@  TheMightyMol... : (15 May 2021 - 06:52 AM)

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@  Telly : (15 May 2021 - 01:12 AM)

English needs to revive bork in everyday text

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English needs to revive dork in everyday text.

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English needs to revive pork in everyday text.

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@  Patch : (14 May 2021 - 05:53 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 May 2021 - 04:41 PM)

Yeah, my hybrid does that when idling or at low speeds. Otherwise it's almost completely silent.

@  ZakuConvoy : (13 May 2021 - 02:27 PM)

That might actually be a fake noise they make electric cars make so pedestrians can hear them. Some cars even let you pick out what noise they make.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 May 2021 - 11:20 AM)

Actually heard a car with that electric, scifi-hum to it. Made me realize that we kinda are living in the future...

@  tigerhawk : (13 May 2021 - 03:28 AM)

Nearly thirty Studio Series figs including the '86 line. "I won't touch that." I said a few years ago when deluxe wave 5 came to my store for a tenner each. My latest one' is 72 Starscream.

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 May 2021 - 05:22 PM)

God, it's such a pain to have a local email address shut down. So many accounts to update...

@  Bass X0 : (10 May 2021 - 04:43 PM)

"Let's make a bargain, shall we? You ask Primus for help and I'll stop the moment He shows up."

@  tigerhawk : (10 May 2021 - 02:56 AM)

The 1988 G1 line up could all have been done as Titan Master things, I figure the Pretenders could be done as Titan Master Drones and Prime Master shells.

@  Cyoti : (08 May 2021 - 11:14 AM)

Perfect is the enemy of the good. And it's still better than making him a remold of RTS Jazz as planned originally. Fact of the matter is: Nightbeat is just not a priority with Hasbro.


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#1441 Exatron

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 10:55 AM

I'm really tired of people dunking on Rey for having the audacity of being the Main Character of a Star Wars film not named Skywalker. Nothing Rey does in the films is any different from what Anakin or Luke do in their respective films save for the fact Rey managed to keep all her limbs throughout the films. Which apparently is somehow evidence that Rey's OP...because she managed to avoid being reckless.

I wanted to respond to this point, just because I did have an issue, or at least a concern, with Rey prior to TRoS. That concern was basically the fact that she WAS able to perform feats comparable to anything Anakin or Luke could do - mere DAYS after she ever felt the Force for the very first time.

 

I mean, Anakin was a phenomenon, who inspired amazed reactions from the greatest Jedi in the order at his raw potential. He had a passive connection to the Force that let him instinctively pilot a podracer or ship amazingly well, but he couldn't actively control it. He had been training for around a decade by the time we see him in AotC, where he promptly gets captured by Geonosians and disarmed by Dooku. Luke apparently inherited all Anakin's potential, but a few years after his initial training with Obi-Wan, it still took all his focus to move his lightsaber. In contrast, Rey was managing to equal Ben right from the first time she experienced feeling the Force. She was lifting tons of rocks mere days later with minimal training and seemingly no effort. It just didn't make any sense.

 

I said prior to TRoS because TRoS did ultimately provide an explanation that I found acceptable. No, not the being related to Palpatine stuff. I mean her being part of a Dyad in the Force along with Ben. It's a bunch of mumbo jumbo, but no more so than Anakin being a Vergence in the Force. But it provided a solid justification for how she could match Ben's power and skill with no prior experience, which had been a big red flag up to that point. The fact that they did manage to effectively answer that concern is actually my favorite part of TRoS.

 

Anyway, I'd said following TLJ that I felt TRoS would need to provide some solid justification for how Rey could manage these feats. It managed that IMO, so I haven't had any issue with Rey since then. The ST has plenty of problems, but ultimately Rey isn't one of them.



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Posted 14 April 2021 - 11:16 AM

I never had any issues with Rey prior to TRoS because TLJ explained things well enough at the end with the kid Force grabbing a broom to clean up with. That Force sensitives are using their abilities without training. And Rey spent her life on Jakku fending for herself. Woman's learned, on her own, to use the Force but it wasn't until Ben tried to force himself into her mind in TFA that it finally clicked within her that all her "tricks" were like the stories about the Jedi and she could do those things too.



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Posted 14 April 2021 - 12:06 PM

That was a thing back in the old pre-Prequels EU too, that most Force-Sensitives had a "freebie" --one particular Force skill that they were just "naturally" gifted in.

(Even in the Prequels themselves, Anakin's "thing" was implied to be precognition, which is what made him a good podracer.)

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 03:24 PM

I LIKE STAR WARS!!!!

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 06:33 PM

Me too.

 

Quite enjoyed the book with the rock, gonna have to check out the rest of the High Republic now.



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Posted 04 May 2021 - 01:50 PM

watched a show called "star wars vs star trek: the rivalry continues" (or something ike that anyway) last night, and god was it AWFUL! looks like it was made back in '00 or so. it was basically a boring history lesson of the 2 franchises, with clips from completely unrelated cheesy KO space movies thrown in. there was no debate about which is better and why. they also said the holiday special is a fan favorite...


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Posted 04 May 2021 - 02:44 PM

Interesting observation. Watching 'Revenge of the Sith' Palpatine loses a lightsaber while fighting Mace Windu but has one when fighting Yoda. Darth Maul and Count Dooku has has two lightsabers. Maybe that's what the Sith's Rule of Two really is. Always have two lightsabers.



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Posted 04 May 2021 - 03:13 PM

The fact that they did manage to effectively answer that concern is actually my favorite part of TRoS.

 

 

My favorite part, and something I hope gets more exploration in the future, is the heavily implied notion (Is that understated?  I am really not sure it got hammered home enough to be more than an implication) that Bane's line of Sith are all immortally living in the current Master.  When you strike your master down, you lose yourself partly to them.



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Posted 06 May 2021 - 12:04 PM

Anyone else here seen the latest issue of the Vader comic?

 

Spoiler

 



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Posted 06 May 2021 - 06:02 PM

Spoiler


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Posted 06 May 2021 - 06:46 PM

*Raises hand*

 

Who is talking?

Why is Vader in such a state?

Why does whomever Vader is with seem equally part confused and knowledgeable?



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Posted 06 May 2021 - 07:20 PM

That's Palpatine speaking.
 
Vader had to rebuild himself with droid parts when the Emperor left him on Mustafar after doing this:
 
Spoiler

 
That other guy is Ochi of Bestoon, the assassin who kills Rey's parents.  He's one of Palpatine's lackeys, but it's his first time on Exegol too.

Edited by Pale Rider, 06 May 2021 - 07:30 PM.


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Posted 06 May 2021 - 07:27 PM

Between Empire and Return, I take it?



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Posted 06 May 2021 - 07:34 PM

Yep.  Here's a bonus page:

 

Spoiler


Edited by Pale Rider, 06 May 2021 - 10:18 PM.


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Posted 06 May 2021 - 10:55 PM

Dam it Vader, why didn't you tell Luke while you were dieing On Death Star (or a force ghost) "Luke... Find Exegol! He has a whole Fleet of planet busters there! It's not over yet boi!"

... Sigh, I tried, but this is why I dont feel like reading those comics anymore.

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Posted 06 May 2021 - 10:59 PM

ive tried to go back and read the vader comics, and while ive enjoyed most of em, this latest arc has seemed meh


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Posted 06 May 2021 - 11:11 PM

Dam it Vader, why didn't you tell Luke while you were dieing On Death Star (or a force ghost) "Luke... Find Exegol! He has a whole Fleet of planet busters there! It's not over yet boi!"

 

Luke and Lando did try to find Exegol.  Maybe now we know why.


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Posted 07 May 2021 - 07:16 AM

But just the idea that Palpy managed to ‘secretly’ get away with syphoning the insane amounts of credits and resources, to an unknown planet, to build a fleet of planet busters, During the time of THE Death Stars. and then just leaves them IN the planet.

 

It just breaks the story for me. I mean, there is a point where the ‘i’ve planned for this’ line just becomes ludicrous.

 

Nice try Lucasfilm, but its a swing and a miss. Big miss.


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Posted 07 May 2021 - 10:11 AM

Well, it's not as if he had to sneak everything past the Senate anymore.  The Empire built the second Death Star far more quickly than the first and the cost of a few hundred Star Destroyers (even with mini-superlasers) should pale by comparison to that.



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Posted 07 May 2021 - 10:18 AM



Dam it Vader, why didn't you tell Luke while you were dieing On Death Star (or a force ghost) "Luke... Find Exegol! He has a whole Fleet of planet busters there! It's not over yet boi!"

 

Being blunt, because at the time the fleet of Planet Busting Star Destroyers didn't exist as a narrative device yet. That's the fundamental problem with prequels generally. Because you can end up giving important characters information that by all rights they should have long acted upon but didn't. Because that information didn't exist yet.

 



But just the idea that Palpy managed to ‘secretly’ get away with syphoning the insane amounts of credits and resources, to an unknown planet, to build a fleet of planet busters, During the time of THE Death Stars. and then just leaves them IN the planet.

 

It just breaks the story for me. I mean, there is a point where the ‘i’ve planned for this’ line just becomes ludicrous.

 

Nice try Lucasfilm, but its a swing and a miss. Big miss.

Okay, before I go on I want to just say I find the Fleet of Planet Breaking Star Destroyers silly.

 

THAT BEING SAID

 

We're talking about a guy who manage to organize the creation of a million plus man army of clones and fully equip them for various theaters of galactic conflict with the sole hint of a whisper of such an event transpiring after the man said clones were based on was contracted for an assassination that failed and he was tracked back to the planet in question.

 

It's not as though secreting mass amounts of equipment is something new for Palpatine.





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