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@  Paladin : (21 September 2018 - 11:10 AM)

random thought: has Nintendo ever made a 3DS that looks like a Pokedex? because that seems like a GOLDMINE waiting to happen...

@  Nevermore : (21 September 2018 - 03:23 AM)

Wiigii! Titans Return Grotusque for only 60 Euros (actually 70 but I somehow had an eBay gift card for reasons that escape me) with free shipping from within my own country!

@  Whirl Maximus : (21 September 2018 - 03:02 AM)

That was the plan for Predators too with the Super Predators.

@  Waspinator : (21 September 2018 - 01:46 AM)

So, apparently in the new Predator movie, the Predators don't hunt us for honor or the challenge or anything like that, but because they're stealing human DNA to modify themselves. Congrats Hollywood, on making a monster far less cool and scary.

@  Pennpenn : (20 September 2018 - 08:46 AM)

I only started playing it recently so I don't know what it was like before. Actually surprised they haven't finished the story yet. Then again, unless they introduce another world it's pretty much just Maleficent and whatever the Foretellers are playing at left.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 September 2018 - 08:30 AM)

Geeze.. I reloaded up Kingdom Hearts X for the first time in a long time. That game has massivily inflated from when I played it when it first launced in the US.

@  Pennpenn : (19 September 2018 - 09:07 AM)

It's an annoying thing to have happen in any game. I'm hoping they actually finish releasing all the story mode parts before 3 comes out.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 September 2018 - 06:24 AM)

Ahh. Hadn't played that in a long time.. Since before the PVP I think.

@  Pennpenn : (19 September 2018 - 04:33 AM)

Kingdom Hearts Union Cross. Specifically the PVP fights.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 September 2018 - 04:31 AM)

What game PennPenn

@  Pennpenn : (19 September 2018 - 03:13 AM)

Man, I love it when you've got limited attempts at something in a game, said game crashes at the end of the thing, so you lose the attempt but don't get any credit.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 September 2018 - 08:44 PM)

I know. I'm back to the classic purple for the first time since the comic theme was introduced.

@  Fenix Twilight : (18 September 2018 - 08:32 PM)

Alright thanks, gonna be weird without the speech bubble boxes but I'll manage.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 September 2018 - 07:59 PM)

Nope, ongoing problem for a bunch of us. The mods know, so... just hunker down and wait. In the mean time: changing themes will sort it out for a bit. Only the comic theme is affected.

@  Fenix Twilight : (18 September 2018 - 05:36 PM)

Is something going on? I'm missing the buttons to go to the newest post and there's no banner for the forum list, it just says "logo" in the corner.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 September 2018 - 06:03 AM)

Leader-1!

@  Whirl Maximus : (18 September 2018 - 02:25 AM)

"huh?" 'chuckle' in every reaction shot. That's all I remember of Armada.

@  Paladin : (16 September 2018 - 07:36 PM)

if youre looking for sympathy its in the dictionary between shit & syphilis.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 September 2018 - 03:10 PM)

Uuuhhhhhh.......

@  Rycochet : (15 September 2018 - 11:56 AM)

Due to it's concentrated lousiness, even small doses of Energon will age you, yes.

@  Lazy Garou : (15 September 2018 - 10:32 AM)

unicron trilogy video was great, but made me feel a hundred years old.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 September 2018 - 07:32 AM)

Awesome. Good job man.

@  Lazy Garou : (11 September 2018 - 09:30 PM)

cleaning up, mostly.but the little plastic piece where the power cable hooked up was broken. That I managed to put back together.

@  Patch : (11 September 2018 - 04:48 PM)

So he also has White Castle-like qualities?

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 September 2018 - 02:23 PM)

Just keep him away from the plumbing, he's really hard on the pipes.

@  RichardT1977 : (11 September 2018 - 01:22 PM)

Overlord has some castle-like qualities to him

@  wonko the sane? : (11 September 2018 - 12:15 PM)

Fix it, like, found a working power adaptor, or fix it like: there was saudering involved.

@  Lazy Garou : (11 September 2018 - 11:58 AM)

that feeling when you fix something and works like a dream. we now have a working snes in my house and I have tested 10 games on it and they all work.

@  Arazyr : (11 September 2018 - 10:44 AM)

...Now I want a Transformer that turns into a castle.

@  wonko the sane? : (11 September 2018 - 09:37 AM)

You should be careful man, lots of allsparkers life in castle law states. It's a good way to get shot you know.

@  ▲ndrusi : (11 September 2018 - 09:35 AM)

Which house? Mine? Dammit I thought I locked my door!

@  GrungeWerX : (11 September 2018 - 01:20 AM)

GrungeWerX in tha HOUSE!!! WOOT!!

@  TM2-Megatron : (10 September 2018 - 11:54 PM)

There's been consistently good sc-fi flicks; most just fly under the radar as lower-budget or indie pictures

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 September 2018 - 09:28 PM)

If you can forget about that garbage Ghost in the Shell feature...

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 September 2018 - 09:27 PM)

Upgrade is a GREAT dark sci fi throwback film. Kind of feels like the genre has been nailing some good stuff after a LONG time of drek

@  Sabrblade : (10 September 2018 - 06:34 PM)

Hey, Steve is a Vehicon!

@  abates : (10 September 2018 - 04:44 PM)

I thought it was spelled "Stege".

@  Arazyr : (10 September 2018 - 02:10 PM)

So, "I before E, except after Siege"? :D

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 September 2018 - 01:59 PM)

Memorandum to all: the word "siege" is spelled with the "i" before the "e".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (08 September 2018 - 12:55 PM)

Happy birthday to Star Trek and Star Trek: The Animated Series!

@  MEDdMI : (08 September 2018 - 07:55 AM)

*smacks TMM upside the head*

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 September 2018 - 02:51 AM)

& Knuckles.

@  Pennpenn : (07 September 2018 - 11:01 PM)

Re: Coded?

@  Waspinator : (07 September 2018 - 09:14 PM)

Final Fantasy: The Movie: The Game: Pocket Edition HD Boogaloo

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (07 September 2018 - 01:03 AM)

Funny thing is, I think the pocket edition graphics give the game more personality.

@  MEDdMI : (06 September 2018 - 11:10 PM)

Final Finception

@  Waspinator : (06 September 2018 - 10:29 PM)

They've made a PS4 version of Final Fantasy 15 Pocket Edition. For those keeping score, it's the PS4 version of a smartphone version of a PS4 game.

@  wonko the sane? : (05 September 2018 - 09:20 PM)

Ah HA! turns out the trick to installing the rift software was to run it as an admin. Stupid windows 10.

@  wonko the sane? : (05 September 2018 - 04:58 PM)

Awright! I got the display port working! Which means I can now connect my occulus rift!

@  MEDdMI : (04 September 2018 - 10:38 PM)

*just stares*


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#1 Jalaguy

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:31 AM

Discuss the issue here!

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 03:30 AM

Star Saber: That's it?

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:41 AM

Meh.

 

Unsatisfying on a few levels.  Roberts flubbed his chance to do anything interesting with Getaway. 



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:47 AM

Star Saber absolutely falls into "why did you even bother bringing him back in the first place" territory, but the rest of it - Rodimus's paint burning away, Getaway getting munched to death - was on point stuff I enjoyed.

 

I'm acutely aware, though, of the fact that despite its essential role in this finale, the Christmas special story has never been reprinted in an MTMTE/LL trade paperback...


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:53 AM

I thought the scraplet twist was pretty clever.

Getaway kind of went downhill as a villain after the mutineers trilogy, but I did like how he went out.
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:10 AM

Star Saber earned the right to some serious comeuppance before dying, and I'm a little miffed he didn't get it; he's been an overtly hateful, murderous monster from the moment we met him. Instead he gets to be his same arrogant self right up to the last instant. Still, I relished that glory shot of Cyclonus chopping him in half.

So we still haven't seen Pharma. Hrmmmm.


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#7 Master Fwiffo

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 07:36 AM

Yay Getaway got et. That was satisfying, which was good because I was totally not satisfied with most the rest of it.

I did laugh at the scraplet twist though.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:11 AM

THAT Star Saber panel was the kind of fist-pumping breath-catching what-did-i-just-read moment that has happened, like, only 10 other times in this continuity. It was great BECAUSE it was sudden and shocking. Frankly there wasn't panel time for every villain to lament their ways on the way out the door and Star Saber is the least developed and interesting of the lot.

Granted, by the transitive property that means Cyclonus p0wns Defensor, but Roberts just plain straight-out did Defensor dirty in the first place. Just murdered him right the hell down to First Aid.

Everything else was good but the final page was lacking Nibbler crying "everyone out of the universe!"

Oh, and they still haven't revealed the Grand Architect? That had better be SOMETHING at this point. I think even Pharma would land flat.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:30 AM

No complaints here, Star Saber was always just muscle for Tyrest, crazy religious muscle, and now he gets to die like a dog. I'm fine with him going out, Cyclonus isn't the kind of guy that would waste time humiliating him anyway.

Thank god this issue had an actualy good artist too because so many scenes would've fallen flat in the hands of the usual artist.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:49 AM

I've been seeing people lay blame at the lackluster fights at the artists feet and like...

 

bad fight choreography is not exactly something I associate with Casey hugging Coller



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:03 PM

Yeah, Roberts is just bad at fight scenes. Always has been.


 

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:11 PM

I never liked Rodimus' color scheme, glad to see it gone.

 

Also, not just happy to see Star Saber go out like a bitch; If JG1 fans hated his depiction, they should hate him going out like a generic even more.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:11 PM

I think Coller's art is perfectly serviceable... but at the same time I consider it lacking a bit in flair or dynamism as compared to guys like Guidi or Matere who draw in a similar style.

 

Rodimus saving Getaway kind of rang hollow to me.  Rodimus has been kind of a jerk for this entire run, and deciding to be better at the last second seems like the sort of cliched thing that Roberts usually tries to avoid.


Edited by Wildwade, 11 July 2018 - 12:12 PM.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:41 PM

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:07 PM

Rodimus' paint burning off was a nice thematic bit, but I do have to admit it's bittersweet since I really liked him in those colors.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:10 PM

Rodimus realizing he's not living up to the image he has of himself only after others pointing is out (advertently or inadvertently, in this case) and doing something dramatic to prove otherwise is a pretty consistent character trait for him. I wouldn't exactly call that cliche'd writing. 

 

I'm getting impatient for the Grand Architect Reveal. I'm calling it now though: with the Quintessons being used in Unicron and the Roberts claiming the Lost Light finale is an independent plotline, the Grand Architect(s) is(are) the IDW-Prime Functionist Council, or at least somehow related to them.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:56 PM

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?


What point is there needed? Characters get new interpretations all the time. We have fan favorites that people can't decide what their personality should be.

Roberts thought that using a guy that fights for justice as a righteous warrior would be neat, so he did it, that's all there is to it, he doesn't need to justify himself for that anymore than anyone that has ever twisted a character in media before.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:59 PM

Star Saber absolutely falls into "why did you even bother bringing him back in the first place" territory,

Also, not just happy to see Star Saber go out like a bitch; If JG1 fans hated his depiction, they should hate him going out like a generic even more.

Totally baseless conspiracy theory time: Roberts is being petty and brought back Star Saber just to double down on making JG1 fans angry.

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#19 Tyranno

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:03 PM

 

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?


What point is there needed? Characters get new interpretations all the time. We have fan favorites that people can't decide what their personality should be.

Roberts thought that using a guy that fights for justice as a righteous warrior would be neat, so he did it, that's all there is to it, he doesn't need to justify himself for that anymore than anyone that has ever twisted a character in media before.

 

 

A character needs to be more than just an end unto themselves. I've disliked the direction they took, but Swerve and Tailgate are as different as night and day from the original selves but had a purpose unto themselves that justified it in the end that contributed to the series and its themes. Star Saber did a fat lot of nothing, and what story hooks he did have with the Circle of Light went mostly unrealized with the way Dai Atlas was killed off anticlimactically and subsequently ignoring any potential with, say, Drift in favor of using him as what is little more than a Monster of the Week against Cyclonus. Twice.

 

Changing him so drastically is one thing, but doing it and making him utterly pointless is another.


Edited by Tyranno, 11 July 2018 - 02:03 PM.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:11 PM

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?


What point is there needed? Characters get new interpretations all the time. We have fan favorites that people can't decide what their personality should be.

Roberts thought that using a guy that fights for justice as a righteous warrior would be neat, so he did it, that's all there is to it, he doesn't need to justify himself for that anymore than anyone that has ever twisted a character in media before.

 
A character needs to be more than just an end unto themselves. I've disliked the direction they took, but Swerve and Tailgate are as different as night and day from the original selves but had a purpose unto themselves that justified it in the end that contributed to the series and its themes. Star Saber did a fat lot of nothing, and what story hooks he did have with the Circle of Light went mostly unrealized with the way Dai Atlas was killed off anticlimactically and subsequently ignoring any potential with, say, Drift in favor of using him as what is little more than a Monster of the Week against Cyclonus. Twice.
 
Changing him so drastically is one thing, but doing it and making him utterly pointless is another.


I don't particularly care about any of the flagposts you've set or will set about that when you're the same guy that has defended with tooth and bone in here shows and other media with a significantly high count of "characters with no point" simply because you have nostalgia for them or what not. Sincerely don't care enough to go on that note with you since I don't think you're objective or honest about this kind of stuff. So I will disregard what you have to say on that note on purpose.

I'm just saying that Roberts doesn't need justification to do what he did, it's Transformers, literally anyone that isn't the face of a movie poster has been fairgame to shift around for a long time now and even then we have apparently "main" franchise characters being twisted for a purpose in media. To pretend otherwise is delusional and to take issue of what Roberts did with Star Saber on a conceptual level is just silly, if not immature. I just saw two characters I love become corpses in cameos on OP 20 but I thankfully have self-awareness to the level where I can brush that aside instantly.

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