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@  Donocropolis : (23 February 2019 - 01:17 PM)

The only thing we've learned so far is that 1 out of 10 doesn't really seem to mind that much.

@  Patch : (23 February 2019 - 12:17 PM)

Alien walls.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (23 February 2019 - 11:15 AM)

Aliens.

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 February 2019 - 10:22 AM)

walls.

@  Donocropolis : (23 February 2019 - 09:18 AM)

SAUSAGES!!

@  CORVUS : (23 February 2019 - 01:13 AM)

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEERADICATOR!

@  RichardT1977 : (22 February 2019 - 11:21 PM)

And don't piss him off, because he'll tell Haruhi who he is and reboot the universe.

@  Bass X0 : (22 February 2019 - 03:22 PM)

Take care of the John Smith who will shake up the world!

@  RichardT1977 : (22 February 2019 - 08:32 AM)

I see I'm not the only one who's watched a lot of Kids in the Hall...

@  Donocropolis : (22 February 2019 - 06:33 AM)

"You can't pay too much for a good pair of shoes"

@  RichardT1977 : (21 February 2019 - 10:56 PM)

Thirty Helens agree.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 February 2019 - 09:41 PM)

People forget the whole phrase. It's "Great minds thing alike, but fools rarely differ."

@  Nevermore : (21 February 2019 - 08:49 PM)

The German version is very straightforward: "Two idiots, one idea."

@  Nevermore : (21 February 2019 - 08:49 PM)

English: "Great minds think alike".

@  Nevermore : (21 February 2019 - 08:49 PM)

Here's an example of a phrase that's charmingly positive in English but self-deprecating in German:

@  wonko the sane? : (21 February 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Turns out the basic figures in the transformers siege line are basically minicons, and my sister is back in the hospital for another psychotic break. It's been an emotional day, and it's not even 1 pm yet.

@  Pennpenn : (21 February 2019 - 12:27 AM)

Maybe, or maybe it'd be more like wood? Y'know, bashing each other with planks.

@  Ashley : (21 February 2019 - 12:23 AM)

Wouldn't pillow fights be like slapping each other with meat?

@  unluckiness : (20 February 2019 - 11:54 PM)

RODO ROLLA DA

@  MEDdMI : (20 February 2019 - 11:14 PM)

they hit each other with full sized vehicles

@  Nevermore : (20 February 2019 - 08:18 PM)

Also, do Softmus Prime and Slumblebee engage in pillow fights?

@  Nevermore : (20 February 2019 - 08:16 PM)

Feathertron?

@  MEDdMI : (20 February 2019 - 08:34 AM)

@Penn Megadown, maybe?

@  Nevermore : (20 February 2019 - 05:38 AM)

The kernel.

@  Nevermore : (20 February 2019 - 05:37 AM)

Who gives the orders in cyberwarfare?

@  Pennpenn : (20 February 2019 - 03:16 AM)

I wonder what Megatron would end up in that context?

@  Sabrblade : (19 February 2019 - 09:21 PM)

It's not "Optiplush"... it's "Softimus Prime"

@  Ashley : (19 February 2019 - 08:19 PM)

I've got the two plushes from the first movie, they're great

@  Shrug : (19 February 2019 - 08:00 PM)

Still have mine, although Optiplush Prime is kind of discolored

@  Shrug : (19 February 2019 - 07:59 PM)

They came out around the time of the first movie with the big merch push, but they were distinctly G1 and everything else wasnt, IIRC

@  Trpodeca : (19 February 2019 - 04:51 PM)

Take another shot Wonko.

@  Trpodeca : (19 February 2019 - 04:51 PM)

prime the lost season

@  wonko the sane? : (19 February 2019 - 01:41 PM)

I did not even know those things were a thing. I guess they didn't do very well cause they didn't make more of them.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 February 2019 - 01:25 PM)

Pfft, Hasbro did that 12 years ago with Slumblebee and Optiplush Prime

@  Xellos : (19 February 2019 - 12:37 PM)

Well, this past Christmas I did see licensed plush Transformers that went from their robot to vehicle mode by turning inside out just like popples.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 February 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Why DIDN'T transformers make plushes ala popples?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Design in mixed media and make him out of actual flannel.

@  Lancer : (18 February 2019 - 09:24 PM)

Make his fur a red and black flannel pattern

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2019 - 09:10 PM)

Bonus points if you can work in a red and black flannel pattern on his chest plate.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2019 - 09:09 PM)

Might as well make it cliched. Lumberjack moose male and aristocratic deer female.

@  TriBlurr : (18 February 2019 - 08:16 PM)

Or their aristocratic deer.

@  TriBlurr : (18 February 2019 - 08:10 PM)

Thinking of making a pair of moose Transformer OCs, male and female. Thier a lovey dovy pair of lumberjacks

@  Paladin : (18 February 2019 - 06:56 PM)

they also have NOTORIOUSLY poor protection on their servers. do NOT keep a credit card on file there.

@  Telly : (18 February 2019 - 04:48 PM)

i just checked my past tfsource orders, and theres no sales tax charge

@  Arazyr : (18 February 2019 - 11:16 AM)

They haven't (yet, at least) on the stuff I currently have in my Stack. Haven't had them ship anything for a while, though, so I don't know if they will when I do...

@  Benbot : (18 February 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Does TFSource charge sales tax?

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2019 - 09:47 AM)

That's because, once upon a time, the people whom owned the animals weren't the people whom butchered them. So the pig was owned by a saxon who spoke english, but butchered by a french speaker. So a pig got cut up into PORC chops.

@  unluckiness : (18 February 2019 - 03:25 AM)

Hank Pym<<<< Hank Hill

@  PlutoniumBoss : (18 February 2019 - 01:28 AM)

In that case, I don't see anything wrong with English speakers calling it what it is in English. Even though we technically use the French words for what comes out of it. "Beef", "pork"...

@  Bass X0 : (17 February 2019 - 02:04 PM)

I’d like a Siege Thundercracker who has his regular blue colors Cybertronian jet mode which transforms into a robot mode with his Action Master colors. Looks like it could be possible.


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#1 Jalaguy

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:31 AM

Discuss the issue here!

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 03:30 AM

Star Saber: That's it?

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:41 AM

Meh.

 

Unsatisfying on a few levels.  Roberts flubbed his chance to do anything interesting with Getaway. 



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:47 AM

Star Saber absolutely falls into "why did you even bother bringing him back in the first place" territory, but the rest of it - Rodimus's paint burning away, Getaway getting munched to death - was on point stuff I enjoyed.

 

I'm acutely aware, though, of the fact that despite its essential role in this finale, the Christmas special story has never been reprinted in an MTMTE/LL trade paperback...


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:53 AM

I thought the scraplet twist was pretty clever.

Getaway kind of went downhill as a villain after the mutineers trilogy, but I did like how he went out.
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:10 AM

Star Saber earned the right to some serious comeuppance before dying, and I'm a little miffed he didn't get it; he's been an overtly hateful, murderous monster from the moment we met him. Instead he gets to be his same arrogant self right up to the last instant. Still, I relished that glory shot of Cyclonus chopping him in half.

So we still haven't seen Pharma. Hrmmmm.


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Robert is made to withstand plenty of play, and transforms from car to robot! Go, Robert, go!

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 07:36 AM

Yay Getaway got et. That was satisfying, which was good because I was totally not satisfied with most the rest of it.

I did laugh at the scraplet twist though.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:11 AM

THAT Star Saber panel was the kind of fist-pumping breath-catching what-did-i-just-read moment that has happened, like, only 10 other times in this continuity. It was great BECAUSE it was sudden and shocking. Frankly there wasn't panel time for every villain to lament their ways on the way out the door and Star Saber is the least developed and interesting of the lot.

Granted, by the transitive property that means Cyclonus p0wns Defensor, but Roberts just plain straight-out did Defensor dirty in the first place. Just murdered him right the hell down to First Aid.

Everything else was good but the final page was lacking Nibbler crying "everyone out of the universe!"

Oh, and they still haven't revealed the Grand Architect? That had better be SOMETHING at this point. I think even Pharma would land flat.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:30 AM

No complaints here, Star Saber was always just muscle for Tyrest, crazy religious muscle, and now he gets to die like a dog. I'm fine with him going out, Cyclonus isn't the kind of guy that would waste time humiliating him anyway.

Thank god this issue had an actualy good artist too because so many scenes would've fallen flat in the hands of the usual artist.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:49 AM

I've been seeing people lay blame at the lackluster fights at the artists feet and like...

 

bad fight choreography is not exactly something I associate with Casey hugging Coller



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:03 PM

Yeah, Roberts is just bad at fight scenes. Always has been.


 

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:11 PM

I never liked Rodimus' color scheme, glad to see it gone.

 

Also, not just happy to see Star Saber go out like a bitch; If JG1 fans hated his depiction, they should hate him going out like a generic even more.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:11 PM

I think Coller's art is perfectly serviceable... but at the same time I consider it lacking a bit in flair or dynamism as compared to guys like Guidi or Matere who draw in a similar style.

 

Rodimus saving Getaway kind of rang hollow to me.  Rodimus has been kind of a jerk for this entire run, and deciding to be better at the last second seems like the sort of cliched thing that Roberts usually tries to avoid.


Edited by Wildwade, 11 July 2018 - 12:12 PM.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:41 PM

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:07 PM

Rodimus' paint burning off was a nice thematic bit, but I do have to admit it's bittersweet since I really liked him in those colors.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:10 PM

Rodimus realizing he's not living up to the image he has of himself only after others pointing is out (advertently or inadvertently, in this case) and doing something dramatic to prove otherwise is a pretty consistent character trait for him. I wouldn't exactly call that cliche'd writing. 

 

I'm getting impatient for the Grand Architect Reveal. I'm calling it now though: with the Quintessons being used in Unicron and the Roberts claiming the Lost Light finale is an independent plotline, the Grand Architect(s) is(are) the IDW-Prime Functionist Council, or at least somehow related to them.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:56 PM

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?


What point is there needed? Characters get new interpretations all the time. We have fan favorites that people can't decide what their personality should be.

Roberts thought that using a guy that fights for justice as a righteous warrior would be neat, so he did it, that's all there is to it, he doesn't need to justify himself for that anymore than anyone that has ever twisted a character in media before.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:59 PM

Star Saber absolutely falls into "why did you even bother bringing him back in the first place" territory,

Also, not just happy to see Star Saber go out like a bitch; If JG1 fans hated his depiction, they should hate him going out like a generic even more.

Totally baseless conspiracy theory time: Roberts is being petty and brought back Star Saber just to double down on making JG1 fans angry.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:03 PM

 

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?


What point is there needed? Characters get new interpretations all the time. We have fan favorites that people can't decide what their personality should be.

Roberts thought that using a guy that fights for justice as a righteous warrior would be neat, so he did it, that's all there is to it, he doesn't need to justify himself for that anymore than anyone that has ever twisted a character in media before.

 

 

A character needs to be more than just an end unto themselves. I've disliked the direction they took, but Swerve and Tailgate are as different as night and day from the original selves but had a purpose unto themselves that justified it in the end that contributed to the series and its themes. Star Saber did a fat lot of nothing, and what story hooks he did have with the Circle of Light went mostly unrealized with the way Dai Atlas was killed off anticlimactically and subsequently ignoring any potential with, say, Drift in favor of using him as what is little more than a Monster of the Week against Cyclonus. Twice.

 

Changing him so drastically is one thing, but doing it and making him utterly pointless is another.


Edited by Tyranno, 11 July 2018 - 02:03 PM.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:11 PM

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?


What point is there needed? Characters get new interpretations all the time. We have fan favorites that people can't decide what their personality should be.

Roberts thought that using a guy that fights for justice as a righteous warrior would be neat, so he did it, that's all there is to it, he doesn't need to justify himself for that anymore than anyone that has ever twisted a character in media before.

 
A character needs to be more than just an end unto themselves. I've disliked the direction they took, but Swerve and Tailgate are as different as night and day from the original selves but had a purpose unto themselves that justified it in the end that contributed to the series and its themes. Star Saber did a fat lot of nothing, and what story hooks he did have with the Circle of Light went mostly unrealized with the way Dai Atlas was killed off anticlimactically and subsequently ignoring any potential with, say, Drift in favor of using him as what is little more than a Monster of the Week against Cyclonus. Twice.
 
Changing him so drastically is one thing, but doing it and making him utterly pointless is another.


I don't particularly care about any of the flagposts you've set or will set about that when you're the same guy that has defended with tooth and bone in here shows and other media with a significantly high count of "characters with no point" simply because you have nostalgia for them or what not. Sincerely don't care enough to go on that note with you since I don't think you're objective or honest about this kind of stuff. So I will disregard what you have to say on that note on purpose.

I'm just saying that Roberts doesn't need justification to do what he did, it's Transformers, literally anyone that isn't the face of a movie poster has been fairgame to shift around for a long time now and even then we have apparently "main" franchise characters being twisted for a purpose in media. To pretend otherwise is delusional and to take issue of what Roberts did with Star Saber on a conceptual level is just silly, if not immature. I just saw two characters I love become corpses in cameos on OP 20 but I thankfully have self-awareness to the level where I can brush that aside instantly.

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