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@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2018 - 11:40 AM)

Mwahahaha! I am writing this WIRELESSLY from my desktop!

@  unluckiness : (13 November 2018 - 10:28 AM)

yes.

@  Pennpenn : (13 November 2018 - 07:48 AM)

Is that nightmare fuel for wanking or nightmare fuel that is- actually you know what never mind.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2018 - 05:07 AM)

This is the Internet. Everything produces wanking nightmare fuel.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 November 2018 - 01:52 AM)

Yet both have produced wanking nightmare fuel. (Rule 34 is a harsh mistress)

@  fourteenwings : (12 November 2018 - 11:41 PM)

I don't know if "magic animals" and "mecha" abide by the same design principals.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (12 November 2018 - 09:20 PM)

PS4 controllers are crap. x.x;

@  Paladin : (12 November 2018 - 08:16 PM)

it took me way too long to realize that didn't actually say "wanking nightmare fuel."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (12 November 2018 - 08:14 PM)

I'm quite sure that directors don't make the designs because that would be ludicrous amount of work for a single person.

@  Noideaforaname : (12 November 2018 - 05:35 PM)

I guess "walking nightmare fuel" is an improvement...

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2018 - 04:12 PM)

It’s something when the new Pokemon movie is completely accurate to the original source character designs than the Transformers movies. Michael Bay would have created hyper stylised redesigns of Pokemon and many completely new designs if he was doing it.

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 November 2018 - 01:54 PM)

RIP Stan Lee.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (12 November 2018 - 04:25 AM)

Ehh.. Except for a couple of people, the video game section isn't that bad.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2018 - 08:27 PM)

It feels like this hasn't been said enough: anybody who cares what people at TFW does would surely just check there themselves.

@  Gryllid : (11 November 2018 - 06:50 PM)

And with the Seinfeld/Cyberverse names, the genders matched up, and some of them seem fitting enough ("Peterman" for a leader figure prone to dramatic pronouncements; "Puddy" for a big, strong, gruff guy, etc.)

@  Gryllid : (11 November 2018 - 06:46 PM)

Well, the codenames aren't completely random. Shatter and Dropkick were "Red Light" and "Blue Light", weren't they? Referencing their colors.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (11 November 2018 - 09:05 AM)

I'm sure the Hasbro logistics guy in charge of assigning the code names would be amused too, if he knew what TFW2005 was.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2018 - 01:30 AM)

Yup. TFW2005.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2018 - 02:57 PM)

Even though we have seen time and again that those names are just randomly applied names from whatever "theme" Hasbro has chosen for the respective line, with no intentional relation between code name and character.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2018 - 02:57 PM)

I love how folks on TFW2005 still assume the code names for toys from new toylines are mystery games Hasbro has created for the fans, and thus are trying to interpret a meaning into those names to guess the character.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2018 - 07:56 PM)

I haven't watched many eps yet... Mainly cause I've gotten where I just wait till seasons end and watch the whole thing.

@  RichardT1977 : (09 November 2018 - 07:23 PM)

I presume he's going to feature heavily in episode 15

@  RichardT1977 : (09 November 2018 - 07:20 PM)

And like I said in one of the discussion threads, his voice reminds me of the English dub of Alexander Armstrong from Fullmetal Alchemist

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2018 - 07:20 PM)

Ahh, I ment shown up as a Main character yet, but I wasn't specific. :D

@  RichardT1977 : (09 November 2018 - 07:19 PM)

He showed up in "Maccadam's", and has at least been heard in a few other prior episodes.

@  abates : (09 November 2018 - 07:06 PM)

Yeah, he's shown up a couple of times.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2018 - 07:01 PM)

I ment in the show.

@  Nevermore : (09 November 2018 - 06:38 PM)

Which one?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2018 - 05:31 PM)

Has Cyberverse Grim even showed up yet?

@  Paladin : (09 November 2018 - 05:26 PM)

now that it's out in the open, can I just say NuRID Grimlock is the most interesting version of the character in TWENTY YEARS?

@  Foffy : (09 November 2018 - 05:08 PM)

grimlock eats sloppily at olive garden (ASMR)

@  abates : (09 November 2018 - 05:07 PM)

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

@  abates : (09 November 2018 - 05:07 PM)

It could have fit perfectly in Robots in Disguise too. Just have Grimlock waving a pool noodle around and give the line to Drift.

@  abates : (09 November 2018 - 05:07 PM)

Underquoted Transformers: The Movie quotes: "Grimlock, get your noodle out of my face."

@  RichardT1977 : (09 November 2018 - 04:58 PM)

Yeah, IIRC Wilbur was a spring pig.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2018 - 01:48 PM)

I read that as "First sow of the season" and I was about to say that I wasn't aware pigs were typically born in the winter.

@  Paladin : (09 November 2018 - 08:59 AM)

ugh. first snow of the season...

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2018 - 08:22 AM)

Shield agent, that's just nuts...

@  Pennpenn : (09 November 2018 - 03:56 AM)

Though there are rumours he's secretly a Pine.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (09 November 2018 - 01:15 AM)

Idea: in a universe wherein plant alt-modes are common, Maccadam transforms into a macadamia tree.

@  Waspinator : (08 November 2018 - 08:51 PM)

That apparently gets you the help you want. https://www.schlockm....com/2010-04-14

@  wonko the sane? : (08 November 2018 - 07:01 PM)

Eh, just conference call it to the suicide hotline AI.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2018 - 05:00 PM)

Soon we'll have AI making the calls.

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2018 - 04:04 PM)

Sure, but you can't try to counter-troll them and see if you can annoy them into giving up first.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 November 2018 - 03:29 PM)

Robots are cheaper, and don't have mental break downs when people swear at them. Considering how many call centers these days are scams: it's not hard to see why folks don't want to work in them.

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2018 - 03:25 PM)

I miss getting real people for spam calls instead of bots. The bots are no fun.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 November 2018 - 03:24 PM)

I like the robot from "the visa mastercard rewards center". It feels so cathartic to slam the phone on it.

@  TM2-Megatron : (08 November 2018 - 02:57 PM)

A lot of our phone scams up here come from India, pretending to be Revenue Canada. I think they mostly target recent immigrants who aren't familiar with the system, but they've gotten lots of clueless seniors, too.

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2018 - 02:52 PM)

I like the ones that fake the caller ID so it looks like your own number is calling you.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (08 November 2018 - 02:46 PM)

U.S. phone spam is getting ridiculous. I got calls from New York and California in the same hour today.


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#1 Jalaguy

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:31 AM

Discuss the issue here!

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 03:30 AM

Star Saber: That's it?

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:41 AM

Meh.

 

Unsatisfying on a few levels.  Roberts flubbed his chance to do anything interesting with Getaway. 



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:47 AM

Star Saber absolutely falls into "why did you even bother bringing him back in the first place" territory, but the rest of it - Rodimus's paint burning away, Getaway getting munched to death - was on point stuff I enjoyed.

 

I'm acutely aware, though, of the fact that despite its essential role in this finale, the Christmas special story has never been reprinted in an MTMTE/LL trade paperback...


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:53 AM

I thought the scraplet twist was pretty clever.

Getaway kind of went downhill as a villain after the mutineers trilogy, but I did like how he went out.
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:10 AM

Star Saber earned the right to some serious comeuppance before dying, and I'm a little miffed he didn't get it; he's been an overtly hateful, murderous monster from the moment we met him. Instead he gets to be his same arrogant self right up to the last instant. Still, I relished that glory shot of Cyclonus chopping him in half.

So we still haven't seen Pharma. Hrmmmm.


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Robert is made to withstand plenty of play, and transforms from car to robot! Go, Robert, go!

Why will we solve after Robert grasps the abysmal winter's ulcer? He may change rural tailors, do you join them? The films, tapes, and spoons are all good and fresh.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 07:36 AM

Yay Getaway got et. That was satisfying, which was good because I was totally not satisfied with most the rest of it.

I did laugh at the scraplet twist though.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:11 AM

THAT Star Saber panel was the kind of fist-pumping breath-catching what-did-i-just-read moment that has happened, like, only 10 other times in this continuity. It was great BECAUSE it was sudden and shocking. Frankly there wasn't panel time for every villain to lament their ways on the way out the door and Star Saber is the least developed and interesting of the lot.

Granted, by the transitive property that means Cyclonus p0wns Defensor, but Roberts just plain straight-out did Defensor dirty in the first place. Just murdered him right the hell down to First Aid.

Everything else was good but the final page was lacking Nibbler crying "everyone out of the universe!"

Oh, and they still haven't revealed the Grand Architect? That had better be SOMETHING at this point. I think even Pharma would land flat.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:30 AM

No complaints here, Star Saber was always just muscle for Tyrest, crazy religious muscle, and now he gets to die like a dog. I'm fine with him going out, Cyclonus isn't the kind of guy that would waste time humiliating him anyway.

Thank god this issue had an actualy good artist too because so many scenes would've fallen flat in the hands of the usual artist.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:49 AM

I've been seeing people lay blame at the lackluster fights at the artists feet and like...

 

bad fight choreography is not exactly something I associate with Casey hugging Coller



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:03 PM

Yeah, Roberts is just bad at fight scenes. Always has been.


 

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:11 PM

I never liked Rodimus' color scheme, glad to see it gone.

 

Also, not just happy to see Star Saber go out like a bitch; If JG1 fans hated his depiction, they should hate him going out like a generic even more.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:11 PM

I think Coller's art is perfectly serviceable... but at the same time I consider it lacking a bit in flair or dynamism as compared to guys like Guidi or Matere who draw in a similar style.

 

Rodimus saving Getaway kind of rang hollow to me.  Rodimus has been kind of a jerk for this entire run, and deciding to be better at the last second seems like the sort of cliched thing that Roberts usually tries to avoid.


Edited by Wildwade, 11 July 2018 - 12:12 PM.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:41 PM

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:07 PM

Rodimus' paint burning off was a nice thematic bit, but I do have to admit it's bittersweet since I really liked him in those colors.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:10 PM

Rodimus realizing he's not living up to the image he has of himself only after others pointing is out (advertently or inadvertently, in this case) and doing something dramatic to prove otherwise is a pretty consistent character trait for him. I wouldn't exactly call that cliche'd writing. 

 

I'm getting impatient for the Grand Architect Reveal. I'm calling it now though: with the Quintessons being used in Unicron and the Roberts claiming the Lost Light finale is an independent plotline, the Grand Architect(s) is(are) the IDW-Prime Functionist Council, or at least somehow related to them.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:56 PM

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?


What point is there needed? Characters get new interpretations all the time. We have fan favorites that people can't decide what their personality should be.

Roberts thought that using a guy that fights for justice as a righteous warrior would be neat, so he did it, that's all there is to it, he doesn't need to justify himself for that anymore than anyone that has ever twisted a character in media before.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:59 PM

Star Saber absolutely falls into "why did you even bother bringing him back in the first place" territory,

Also, not just happy to see Star Saber go out like a bitch; If JG1 fans hated his depiction, they should hate him going out like a generic even more.

Totally baseless conspiracy theory time: Roberts is being petty and brought back Star Saber just to double down on making JG1 fans angry.

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#19 Tyranno

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:03 PM

 

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?


What point is there needed? Characters get new interpretations all the time. We have fan favorites that people can't decide what their personality should be.

Roberts thought that using a guy that fights for justice as a righteous warrior would be neat, so he did it, that's all there is to it, he doesn't need to justify himself for that anymore than anyone that has ever twisted a character in media before.

 

 

A character needs to be more than just an end unto themselves. I've disliked the direction they took, but Swerve and Tailgate are as different as night and day from the original selves but had a purpose unto themselves that justified it in the end that contributed to the series and its themes. Star Saber did a fat lot of nothing, and what story hooks he did have with the Circle of Light went mostly unrealized with the way Dai Atlas was killed off anticlimactically and subsequently ignoring any potential with, say, Drift in favor of using him as what is little more than a Monster of the Week against Cyclonus. Twice.

 

Changing him so drastically is one thing, but doing it and making him utterly pointless is another.


Edited by Tyranno, 11 July 2018 - 02:03 PM.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:11 PM

At the end of it all re: Star Saber, Im just left asking what was the point?

What was the point of ANY of it? Why turn a major character from a particular series and turn him into a twisted, hateful fun house mirror version of himself and then do jack all with him? Why just use him as a generic adversary to show Cyclonuss bad assery? Why never address his backstory with the Circle of Light with the one character that actually has a connection to the Circle of Light? Why never elaborate on his violent religious fundamentalist history or relate it to whats going on in the present?

What purpose did completely changing this guy serve? What contribution did the character make to the series whatsoever? The fact is you could remove him entirely from the series and replace him with some random dude with a random name and absolutely nothing would change.

Stuff like the OG Star Saber has no personality or Hes just a generic hero/Optimus Prime clone as justifications are irrelevant at this point, because Star Saber himself was irrelevant. There was no need for this at all. There was no need for him at all. He doesnt even contribute a bit of unique world building or backstory.

So. Again. What was the POINT of all that?


What point is there needed? Characters get new interpretations all the time. We have fan favorites that people can't decide what their personality should be.

Roberts thought that using a guy that fights for justice as a righteous warrior would be neat, so he did it, that's all there is to it, he doesn't need to justify himself for that anymore than anyone that has ever twisted a character in media before.

 
A character needs to be more than just an end unto themselves. I've disliked the direction they took, but Swerve and Tailgate are as different as night and day from the original selves but had a purpose unto themselves that justified it in the end that contributed to the series and its themes. Star Saber did a fat lot of nothing, and what story hooks he did have with the Circle of Light went mostly unrealized with the way Dai Atlas was killed off anticlimactically and subsequently ignoring any potential with, say, Drift in favor of using him as what is little more than a Monster of the Week against Cyclonus. Twice.
 
Changing him so drastically is one thing, but doing it and making him utterly pointless is another.


I don't particularly care about any of the flagposts you've set or will set about that when you're the same guy that has defended with tooth and bone in here shows and other media with a significantly high count of "characters with no point" simply because you have nostalgia for them or what not. Sincerely don't care enough to go on that note with you since I don't think you're objective or honest about this kind of stuff. So I will disregard what you have to say on that note on purpose.

I'm just saying that Roberts doesn't need justification to do what he did, it's Transformers, literally anyone that isn't the face of a movie poster has been fairgame to shift around for a long time now and even then we have apparently "main" franchise characters being twisted for a purpose in media. To pretend otherwise is delusional and to take issue of what Roberts did with Star Saber on a conceptual level is just silly, if not immature. I just saw two characters I love become corpses in cameos on OP 20 but I thankfully have self-awareness to the level where I can brush that aside instantly.

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