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@  Sabrblade : (14 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

You'll shoot yer eye out, kid.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 July 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I shot the sheriff.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 July 2020 - 04:24 PM)

han wasn't even in the movie until later

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 July 2020 - 04:23 PM)

the stormtroopers shot first

@  Sabrblade : (14 July 2020 - 03:33 PM)

Maclunkey

@  Paladin : (14 July 2020 - 06:18 AM)

the correct answwer to "who shot first" will always be "Harrison Ford if he ever hears that hugging question again."

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 July 2020 - 12:25 AM)

Han shot first. Plain and simple.

@  -LittleAutob... : (13 July 2020 - 06:21 PM)

\(-_-)

@  Bass X0 : (13 July 2020 - 05:26 PM)

"Here's a little---whatever. A little thing. A disclosure. An insight. Revisionism---I've always been fascinated by it. By the idea of a writer going back and altering things. Make no mistake: an edit is a profoundly aggressive act. As Froid once said, we grieve for the murdered word. If you want to get the measure of an author, don't look at what they've left on the page.... look at what they've taken away." -- Rung (MTMTE #28)

@  Verno : (11 July 2020 - 11:20 PM)

2021: :idea :rolleyes :p :D

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:20 PM)

Perfection. :thumbsup

@  Patch : (11 July 2020 - 06:17 PM)

My plans:  :hmm  2020:  :)

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Our plans for 2020 were as amazing as Optimus Prime. But then 2020 came like Hot Rod.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 05:50 PM)

Indeed....

@  Bass X0 : (11 July 2020 - 05:40 PM)

"He who dies with the most toys wins."

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:11 PM)

Hey you, get moving, it's not too far, you're looking good so come as you are. Hey you, you never know what you'll see, when it's through that door with the 73.

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:10 PM)

Hey you, get ready, get on your feet. Get into gear and hit the street.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 12:46 PM)

I recall number 73 (old british show) discussing the Transformers movie and had the presenters trying to transform a few figures, one argued his deflated beach ball was a Transformer too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (11 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

And he's a big ball, but he's not the biggest ball of them all. (That'll be Pulse Unicron.)

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 07:37 AM)

Trypticon so scared my Primus figure he turned into a ball.

@  ▲ndrusi : (09 July 2020 - 09:56 PM)

King Nine, however, will not return.

@  Bass X0 : (09 July 2020 - 05:05 PM)

Bass_X0 will return after these messages ^^^

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 July 2020 - 03:37 PM)

WHATAMIFIGHTINGFOOOOOOOOARRGH

@  -LittleAutob... : (09 July 2020 - 02:06 PM)

Okay?

@  Otaku : (09 July 2020 - 07:47 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk Ah, but the series itself has pronounced "Bass" both ways. ;)  Oh, 90s English Capcom video game voice acting...

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 July 2020 - 03:14 AM)

Looking at my Titan Returns collection I can see they realised they didn't have to paint the Titan Masters after wave one, lazy bums.

@  Maruten : (08 July 2020 - 09:13 PM)

No, I'm going with "fish".

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 July 2020 - 04:19 PM)

He stated that it's in reference to the Mega Man character, so it follows the series' tradition of music names.

@  Cybersnark : (08 July 2020 - 03:59 PM)

The real question is if it's "bass" as in music or "bass" as in the fish.

@  Otaku : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Well, at least now I know how to pronounce @Bass X0 's screen name. ^^'  Rather, I think I'd just forgotten.  In my defense, it really does look like an emoticon or maybe just "decoration", which is what a lot of folks add to their screen names online.  Usually because someone has the name they really want. XD

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Extremely unimpressed with your idea that someone making a negative observation you don't like means they "got triggered."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (08 July 2020 - 11:16 AM)

You know somebody asked "And this would be in relation to... what exactly?"

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Its because someone got triggered over my random musings instead of just ignoring them. If I read one of your comments that is of no relevance or interest to me, I don't feel the need to say so.

@  -LittleAutob... : (08 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

All this over someone's username lol

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 08:34 AM)

Bazro.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (08 July 2020 - 06:34 AM)

It could be Bass 10-0

@  Nevermore : (08 July 2020 - 06:11 AM)

How do you pronounce yourself? "Bass Ex-O" or "Bass Ex-Zero"?

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 03:23 AM)

I did almost go with Vile Bass X0, because Vile is cool too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 July 2020 - 08:34 PM)

Bossk Saw

@  ▲ndrusi : (07 July 2020 - 04:16 PM)

Bass XD

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 03:43 PM)

And its not Bass XO, its Bass X0, as in Bass, X and Zero from the Mega Man series.

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:33 PM)

@Trpodeca :( :(

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Thats what a gray rock is? Then I'm not one.

@  Trpodeca : (07 July 2020 - 02:12 PM)

Man I just learnt about what seemed like a really cool show, only to realize it was a dream and it dosen't really exist.

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 01:02 PM)

Just something I read that I wanted to share. I heard "gray rock" mentioned in a video, so I looked it up and that was the definition.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 July 2020 - 12:20 PM)

It's a fancy way of saying "Ignore annoying people".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (07 July 2020 - 12:15 PM)

Bass XO has a habit of pasting random drivel here as if doing so were profound.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 July 2020 - 11:30 AM)

And this would be in relation to... what exactly?

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 11:25 AM)

"One strategy for dealing with a narcissist or sociopath is to act like a "gray rock," meaning that you become uninteresting and unresponsive. You don't feed their needs for drama or attention. You don't show emotion, say anything interesting, or disclose any personal information"

@  Nevermore : (06 July 2020 - 07:23 PM)

Oh wow. Studio Series Offroad Bumblebee is awesome. His articulation is amazing.


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#21 Teufel

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:42 PM

I'm still miffed at IMDB for killing its message boards. From a business standpoint they probably weren't worth the hassle and a dying format of interaction, but there's nothing really around to fill that same niche.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:05 PM

I'm not sure forums are on their way out entirely, though.  Forums have their benefits and I don't see those being taken away by anything else on the market, except maybe Discord.  But even then, Discord doesn't offer quite the level of organization that a forum does.

 

So, yeah, forums are almost certainly getting less popular, but I'm not sure they're dying, per se.

 

I wouldn't really see Discord as a more direct answer to discussion forums than the others. I mean, a subreddit is functionally a discussion board, just the old-school kind with nested threads and where threads don't pop to the top of the list when a new comment happens, while a Discord server or Facebook group doesn't really fall into the set of things that can be described as discussion boards. Discord also isn't as amenable to long and complicated posts in the way that a discussion board or subreddit is, because it's facilitating more realtime interaction instead.

 

Forum threads have a longer memory than anything in Facebook group, a Discord, or a subreddit, in the sense that a popular thread is very easy to page back through, and that's probably their most distinctive quality. But conversations in both forums and subreddits can be found eight years later in a Google search if they're relevant and that's not true of Discord or Facebook.

 

So to me, the reason it makes sense for Allspark to have a Facebook group and a Discord server but not a subreddit is that a subreddit and a discussion board have a very similar set of features that are more overlapping and redundant than complementary - they're different ways of doing the same thing rather than different tools for different purposes. But that's independent of the question of whether people are more likely to engage with online communities through these big services they're already a part of, which Facebook, Reddit, and Discord all are, and independently hosted discussion boards are not, and between them, which kinds of services offer modes of interaction with a community that are more in demand right now. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#23 Fear or Courage

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:47 PM

Yknow, it's perplexing that, every new discussion format we get, while anonymity is more and more de-emphasized, history and permanence is also being de-emphasized, too. We can still find ATT posts from like 1995, but good luck finding some stuff someone said on Discord in a year's time.


Edited by Fear or Courage, 12 July 2018 - 02:47 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 03:54 PM

We should be making a much bigger marketing push now that people are starting to think about privacy again.

Allspark: we're not looking at the contacts in your phone!

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#25 Copper Bezel

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 03:58 PM

I'm not sure that anonymity and permanence are related things in the first place, but they also actually don't track each other, do they? Discussion boards and Reddit are firmly in the "anonymous" and "permanent" spaces that public communication on the web has largely been by default - and of course IM, e-mail, and IRC never were, since none of them is permanent or public.

 

"Permanent" and "public" definitely track, in that the more something is closed within a service, the less likely it is to be recoverable later. Discord, which is an IM service in every mechanical detail, is very not-public and impermanent, and Reddit, which is a discussion board service in every mechanical detail, is public and permanent.  

 

What's changed is that you're creating an account for a service instead of creating an account for a community. And the reason for moving user accounts up one level out of the communities is fairly obvious - each and every one of these services wants people to be able to hop between communities or mush them together into a mass, and they want to keep you in their system. That is a trend that's a clear and measurable thing happening. The software is the service is the interface, and you as the user have a direct relationship to the company providing it, on which your relationship with any given community within that service depends. That's how much anonymity is being reduced, that people are being guided to invest more into a given online account which they use in a larger number of contexts. On Discord, they know your IP address and I don't, etc. (It's a good job that someone does since otherwise there's no way to enforce a ban or any other rules.)

 

There have always been impermanent and permanent ways of talking at people with a computer. It is unsurprising that what's trendy now is what it is vs. 1998 when you consider the difference in demographics represented. But the only connection I see between that, and services that want you to invest heavily in them and keep all the content locked up in that space, is that microblogging tagboards and IM-that's-not-IRC were designed under that model and forums weren't. The former is a trend in what users want if it exists at all and the latter is an inevitable consequence of how money works.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 July 2018 - 04:00 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 04:31 PM

I find it weird nobody's bringing up chan-type imageboards as comparison, especially as the topic of anonymity is here.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 04:52 PM

Well, for my part, I forgot they existed. I'm vaguely aware that they're discussion boards, but are they more servicey like Reddit, or independent discussion communities like, you know, this?

 

Edit: I just realized that in editing my last post, I completely left out any mention of Facebook and Google and the concept of anonymity as applied to meatspace entities. Oops. But yeah, that's another independent business concern layered on top of the "your account is valuable" and so far as I can see orthogonal to the permanence question; there's not enough examples of places where that's a concern the company has to see whether it tracks with any of these other elements.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 July 2018 - 04:58 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#28 Fnu Aw

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 05:01 PM

They vary. 4Chan's various chans have their own cultures. Some of them are more community like than others.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 05:06 PM

Chan boards seem to have the highest anonymity (since you don't even need to pick a name) and potentially very low permanence (archival is mostly left to any third-party services that might care enough).

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:38 PM

Even the anonymity varies. In some of the recurring threads, there's people who know how to spot each other. They don't use names or avatars, but somehow they recognize each other just from some cues in their posts.


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:51 PM

There's no real guarantee that anyone guessed correctly and it's not just someone else playing along.

And it's not really hard to just avoid making the same cues if you don't want to be recognized . I only remember one person who seemed to fail at that when I paid attention to any section on 4chan.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 11:34 PM

I've definitely seen a decline in activity on the few forums I've been a member of for 15-20 years. The number of new discussion threads is much lower than is used to be and the same dozen or so tend to hang around for months if not years on end as the more popular. And the forum I used to participate the most in is now a ghost town, the few regulars having left or having become lurkers, the new blood being rare and the desire to engage them being quite low.

 

Things change and die, it's the nature of things. It's just scary to think that once forums are gone (and they will eventually), I'll have little to no investment in having a presence online anymore. My "evolution" stopped before social media really became a thing, so I have no Twitter, no Facebook, no Tumblr, etc. I might as well not exist online aside from the occasional holdouts like the Allspark. And once it and its ilks are gone, I really *will* be gone from the online world entirely. I guess this is what so many people growing old feel like when it seems like the world has finally passed them by...



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Posted 12 July 2018 - 11:36 PM

I tend to hate chat clients because they're a nightmare to get caught up on. I'm in some anti Brexit private groups on Twitter and it's a pain to scroll through 8 hours you missed.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 08:41 PM

Discord is basically just a chat room system, right? Like IRC but slightly more high tech? Because I don't really consider that to be in the same category as forums or social networking sites.


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#35 Copper Bezel

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 08:56 PM

Yeah, it's like Skype attached to a network of IRC channels, except the channels are called "servers" and usually have many "channels" within them.* And like Skype, you can use it as a webapp in a browser or as its own installed desktop or mobile app. (Or rather, like Skype, it's a single, vertically integrated service available on multiple platforms instead of a federated standard that many independent things can plug into like IRC.)

 

But whether or not it's in the same "category", it's one of the options people have for saying "go join our community to talk about our thing over here". If you have a webcomic or a YouTube channel or are one of the folks getting in at the ground floor of a new fandom, you probably would have started a forum ten years ago as a contact point. A Facebook group, a Discord server, a subreddit, etc. are all likely options now. So Discord is one of the things that fill the same roles in a broad sense as forums and social media. 

 

And Twitter and Tumblr are more about individuals such that interest groups happen as ad-hoc networks rather than defined spaces, but those communities still form in that bottom-up way and might fill the same role for another person.

 

* Edit: And of course, those channels are permanent and serverside, rather than a local log, so quite a lot like a forum thread and not like plugging into a group phone call, but presumably if you're using IRC today you're using Riot or something anyway and that's true there too....


Edited by Copper Bezel, 13 July 2018 - 09:05 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#36 LiamA

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 06:06 AM

Reading conversations is better on forums than on Facebook and Twitter.  It is so much more organized.



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 08:04 PM

There will always be forums or something like them.  There actually always were.  Hobby Clubs, Gentlemen's Clubs, people sitting on their porches as their neighbors stroll by.

 

Internet forums are the version for a geeky minority and as long as there is a geeky minority, something a lot like this will exist.  It doesn't need to be as big as Twitter and Reddit and in fact cannot be.  Those are made for a different audience.



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 08:10 PM

Tangentially, a gamer friend of mine posted on Facebook the other day that it was such a shame that they've stopped making games for introverts like him and have instead started tailoring to the rowdy extroverts that used to make fun of him.



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Posted 19 July 2018 - 07:42 AM

Reading conversations is better on forums than on Facebook and Twitter.  It is so much more organized.

 

It's that it's inline with quoting. Sure, the quoting can take up screen space, especially when not done right - trim your quotes, people - but it's so much more convenient and easier to follow than threaded.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 12:42 AM

I like that there's a sense of history and community on the board itself.  If you've been here for any span of time at all, you get to know people. On the social media type services, everything moves so fast and people have new names every 3 minutes on things like twitter and discord. it's hard to get a sense for anything other than just being in a room where everyone is yelling at the sky and nobody is actually listening.





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