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@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.


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#1 CastletonSnob

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 08:49 PM

Do you think forums are becoming obsolete, because of Reddit, Twitter, Discord etc?



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Posted 09 July 2018 - 09:00 PM

Probably mostly the ones that can't sustain themselves as forums.

Like, the Allspark is probably big enough and busy enough that it's not going anywhere, but I can totally see smaller, low volume forums just switching over to other systems.

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 09:05 PM

This place seems to run at a fast clip

 

I would never see my self at redit in fact I never been there I have no need to

 

I hate Discord just as much as I hate Facebook to hell with that mess


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 09:08 PM

Probably mostly the ones that can't sustain themselves as forums.

Like, the Allspark is probably big enough and busy enough that it's not going anywhere, but I can totally see smaller, low volume forums just switching over to other systems.

 

We've definitely lost traffic over the years, though. I think what remains to be seen is whether forums as a whole still have a niche that will keep them as a necessary part of the landscape. I think you're right that some individual forum communities could essentially outlive forums as a whole, but I think that in that scenario, where forums are just not a mode in which people expect to engage with something, it'd just be a harder and harder sell to bring in new members over time. 


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 10:58 PM

I prefer an well-organized and moderated forum to any of the alternatives listed.  (Well, I've never tried Discord, but I really don't have the interest to either.)

 

Don't like how Reddit seems to encourage upvotes over actual discussion.  It works fine for images/memes, but I think discussions should rise and fall based on people's desire to contribute, rather than just clicking a button and running away.

 

Twitter feels like too much of a free-for-all and definitely lacks the kind of organization that I like.

 

I'm never going to use Facebook to engage in my hobbies because I like my anonymity.

 

I figure forums will die out eventually as fewer and fewer people will want to spend the money and time to really get it right, when the other options above are more popular and do a "good enough" job as-is.  That'll be a sad day, but no sense in worrying about it now.



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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:10 PM

Ah, yeah, absolutely. And they've been dying for years.

 

Many smaller forums have gone the way of the dodo and shut down, or hang in this limbo state where they are still there, but nobody posts anymore.

 

As was mentioned, big forums are probably going to survive, but yeah. There's definitely been attrition.


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:14 PM

Bulletin Boards, Usenet, and AOL chat rooms have all fallen by the wayside.

All I know is that I like it here, and hope to stick around for as long as possible.

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:31 PM

I think there's a technical and emotional response.

It used to be hard to run a forum. Sure anyone could start up an ezboard but that came with no promise of an actual community. Plus it was much harder to find stuff online so establishing yourself as a landmark meant most would end up with you.

Now though? With competing social apps? With people going online just about anywhere? Forums are antiquated.

Just a few years ago I was involved with updating the TZ forums. The basic brief I was given was to make it more like Facebook. A chat client, in-browser games, stat trophies, etc. Tons of little rewards and distractions because trends were telling us it was what kept attention now.

Probably doesn't help that newer competing news sites snuck up and outdid us. I'm proud as hug to work for TZ but when people discuss us now it's largely to say we're past our prime.

Community wise most moved on. A lot of the people who ran the place when I first joined were college students. They graduated, started careers...shooting the shit discussing cartoons just didn't fit in anymore.

I think toy forums like this survive partly because it's a hobby that thrives on being aware. New wave spotted here! New toy has a problem, oh no! But wait, here's how to fix it! Etc

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:47 PM

About five years too late to be asking this question.  Any forums that are still around are likely to continue sticking around, because the fit a niche.  Other forms of social media really aren't well-suited to extended more-or-less linear discussion.  Google Plus kinda sorta tried that, but it didn't really kill anything.

 

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:50 PM

Don't think forums will ever completely die, though usage numbers will probably end up like irc. Frankly I prefer forums over massive social media sites. Always have.

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:59 PM

Forums are dying but certain communities will continue to exist.

 

I think the biggest threat to fan forums is the concept of official subreddits. I mean, say you play an MMO or whatever, you'd be more inclined to post on the official subreddit where someone who works on the game might see your post than some fan forum.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 12:13 AM

I worked on the official US Gundam forums.

The rest of the staff were dicks who wanted the community to be subservient to us.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 01:24 AM

Haha, they hated me there.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 09:31 AM

I know I've measurably come on here less since the Allspark Discord started up. Multiple times a day went to just checking in once. Still, there's enough here I can't get on discord that I don't see myself ever fully dropping it.



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Posted 10 July 2018 - 09:39 AM

Everything has its time & everyone dies.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 02:10 PM

Except me.  I'll be here forever.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:14 PM

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 06:02 PM

Forums aren't as popular as they used to be, but I think the format has its merits. ReEdit & Facebook don't appeal to me in the slightest.  Twitter is well & good, but I can't have the same sort of conversations via Twitter.  I've not any experience w/ Discord, but it doesn't look like it's for me either.

 

On a forum, I can post a question, or make a comment & can come back 1 week later & and catch up on the direction where the conversation went.  On other formats, this isn't as always as easy to do.  I generally prefer the easy laid back feel of forums, over something that requires more of a real time communication.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 06:44 PM

I don't know what I'd do if Allspark went away.  I spend so much time here.



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Posted 10 July 2018 - 07:43 PM

We've definitely lost traffic over the years, though.

Fair. I don't have access to the numbers or really know what peak Allspark would look like.

 

I think what remains to be seen is whether forums as a whole still have a niche that will keep them as a necessary part of the landscape. I think you're right that some individual forum communities could essentially outlive forums as a whole, but I think that in that scenario, where forums are just not a mode in which people expect to engage with something, it'd just be a harder and harder sell to bring in new members over time. 

I think what we're seeing is similar to what happened to Tripod and Geocities websites.  That is to say that, when the ability to easily create web forums debuted, it was the easiest way for people to get together in a relatively well organized group.  EZ-Board and similar services made it something anyone could do and so everyone did.  Since then, a lot more options have sprung up and people are naturally moving to the niches that better suit them. Social media has become a diverse and prominent thing and people just don't need the forum structure as much as they used to.

 

I'm not sure forums are on their way out entirely, though.  Forums have their benefits and I don't see those being taken away by anything else on the market, except maybe Discord.  But even then, Discord doesn't offer quite the level of organization that a forum does.

 

So, yeah, forums are almost certainly getting less popular, but I'm not sure they're dying, per se.


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